Should there be a full criminal investigation of the DNC, NGP Van and the HRC Campaign's Collusion ?

[sonofspy777]

Someone else will have to start a poll...

[Cali_Democrat]

1. Wait....wasn't it the Sanders campaign who took the data?

They're the ones who should be investigated.

[Karma13612]

8. Uuuhhh, the Sanders campaign is the one who

WANTS a full transparent investigation.

[still_one]

65. Then why did he suspend two more staffers over the data breach?

"Bernie Sanders' campaign suspended two more staffers directly involved in the data breach that has roiled the party, a Sanders aide confirmed to POLITICO after the Democratic debate on Saturday night.
Pending an investigation, the two aides join data director Josh Uretsky in leaving the campaign following the revelation that they accessed and downloaded voter information from Hillary Clinton's team during a technology glitch on Wednesday."

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/bernie-sanders-suspends-two-staffers-217007

oh wait, I know, they were DWS plants also

[Karma13612]

70. how should I know? sounds like Bernie is taking corrective action so the record is

clear.

He is being judged 24x7 and if there is any concern that his campaign is culpable, he wants to show he is being proactive. And suspension is not termination. It basically means these two staffers will not be allowed to further do anything related to the campaign until all the facts are in.

And no, I an not saying that they are DWS/DNC plants. But, if they are, then you can bet Bernie is mitigating further potential damage. That is a good plan on Bernie's part.

[still_one]

71. Of course. My point was this is still ongoing, and it seems we don't have all the facts

[Chef Eric]

9. Perhaps you should alert the police.

You know, since the DNC didn't.

[sabrina 1]

54. No, actually. It was someone who was recommended by the DNC who had worked for the data company. Now

why would someone who knew better than anyone NOT to look at the data, DO THAT?? And how come no one in Sanders campaign looked at it the last time there was a breach?

This looks about as bad as something can look right now.

I'm waiting for the lawsuit to go forward where everyone will be under oath. Sanders campaign apparently knows some things that have caused them NOT to drop the lawsuit, despite DWS's quick retreat after it was filed. And he is absolutely right.

Schultz violated the DNC's contract with campaigns for one thing, Bernie can use the money the suit will no doubt award his campaign on that alone.

But she clearly wanted to 'create an impression' and was wiling to violate that conract thinking Sanders would drop it once they restored his access.

That was one of the dumbest assumptions yet to make about someone as smart as Bernie who has watched these dirty tricks for decades and knows exactly how they operate.

[CorporatistNation]

57. From The Deck of The Seaview... "All Ahead FULL With The Lawsuit!"

Keelhaul The whole bunch and put them before the people to testify... PUBLICLY (AS IT SHOULD BE) UNDER OATH. Given that the American political system is purported to be... a DEMOCRACY!

[MrMickeysMom]

76. At this point, no one knows...

Yes, some staff saw data, which led to a due process to get to the bottom. However, when the DNC cuts off the access, nothing can be analyzed. And nothing was reported on the Clinton staffer side.

That's why a neutral party should investigate. Someone should also tell me why I'm on Clinton e-mail lists out of the blue, while they're at it.

No more non-neutral parties. I say get to the bottom of this and do it with fair due process.

[Cali_Democrat]

77. So if no one knows what happened...

Why did Sanders fire one staffer and suspend two others?

Should there be a wrongful termination suit filed against Sanders?

[MrMickeysMom]

79. That's some strange logic to not have figured out that one out...

Campaigns, especially ones run with as much integrity as Bernie Sanders' would use the same high standard of ethics that any public firm would. When that standard is deviated, even by good people, they need to be consistent with the candidates's ethics where there is no tolerance to see something you're not supposed to, which they did.

Arguing an "if this then that" and use a reason because of a wrongful termination suite is a logical fallacy.

[JoePhilly]

2. You left out the murder of Vince Foster.

[randome]

4. Vince Foster with the missing emails in the server room!

WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THIS???
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[Snotcicles]

10. If I were a Clinton supporter I would enthusiastically welcome a chance to embarrass Sanders.

That is if I had no doubt that their claims would be proven untrue.

[JoePhilly]

13. His campaign is already embarassed.

They screwed up.

That's a fact.

[Snotcicles]

14. Do you speak with them often? or is this just a guess? .nt

[JoePhilly]

16. Bernie had to fire a few folks and apologize ...

... but you are right ... I guess Bernie is PROUD of the actions of his staff in this instance.

My bad.

[Snotcicles]

17. He didn't have to. Once again you guess. nt

[JoePhilly]

21. He didn't have to??

So Bernie just fires people willy nilly!!!!!

[Snotcicles]

31. How old are you? nt

[sabrina 1]

58. Don't worry, Bernie just gained 4 points this month in the latest National poll, Hillary drops again

So DWS's efforts to 'embarrass' her strongest opponent, has backfired. No one wants this kind of thing. The only people embarrassed at this point are the DNC for recommending someone who was NOT trustworthy.

Sanders' campaign reported the last breach, no one looked at the data then.

How come this guy who was recommended by the DNC and the data company came along and did what no one else in Bernie's campaign did?

Thank the gods for the internet. DWS should realize she can't get away with these dirty tricks anymore. Even hillary supporters are disgusted with what is going on.

In the end, all of it is only benefiting Sanders. He already made over one million $$ the first day this garbage began.

[Historic NY]

78. LOL...........and he lost 10 points post debate.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/23/politics/cnn-orc-poll-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/

"In interviews conducted before the debate, Sanders ran closer to Clinton, with 37% support to Clinton's 45%. Among those interviewed after the debate, Clinton's lead grew to 60% vs. Sanders' 27%."

and now confirm by Ipsos-Reuters Nat'l Poll- HRC 60% SBS 28% MOM 4% Christmas tracking poll

and this isn't no yougov online clicking bullshit either.

[1StrongBlackMan]

23. But Democrats have no desire to embarrass Bernie, nor ...

In burning down the Democratic Party.

[randome]

36. EXACTLY! We're supposed to fight each other because...

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[1StrongBlackMan]

37. This is getting really weird, as we sit around listening to people ...

who have made no bones about their desire to burn down the Democratic Party (in order to save it), insist that the candidate who resisted joining the Democratic Party (until it served his purpose), burn down the Democratic Party, in a quest to find evidence that the other side may have done what they got caught doing?

I don't know whether to term this weird or silly ... but, attempting to burn down the Party is, certainly, STUPID!

[randome]

38. Is it any different from GOPers wanting to bring on the End Times?

Maybe there's a virus going around.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[still_one]

66. Accusing someone of something without proof? Is that what the Sanders campaign stands for?

Also, doesn't the Sanders camp screen who they hire?

This thread like the other, where you "suggest" without proof, is pure Joe McCarthy.

[FarPoint]

3. I believe the GOP would request such a fruitless endeavor....

Me, not at all....Shit happens...

[Sheepshank]

5. Criminal investigation?

Looking for a scapegoat by assuming everyone else is guilty of criminal activity, besides those that have already admitted the theft? Another fucking waste of time and money...Benghazii!!!!!

[seabeyond]

6. Way to smear Clinton when Sanders people do wrong.

[Agschmid]

7. No.

But cool story, bro.

[Historic NY]

11. Hey now with all the revisions handed out to the press by unnamed Sanders advisors..

maybe he might want to look inside to see who is torpedoing him. The conspiracy theorists are reigning

Then again there is this http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/22/bernie-s/Sanders-take-Clinton-voter-data/

Seems like everyday its some new story. I think the Clinton Campaign should demand a Justice Dept investigation, since it was her files that were pilfered.

[floriduck]

32. I agree

But then there'd have to be some inconvenient questions about all the Clinton relationships between her campaign, the DWS DNC, the tech company that has a habit of dropping firewalls, and other messy details. I think there's a reason Hill was happy to act the victim role and leave it alone.

[AgingAmerican]

12. Debbie Wasserman Schultz intentionally violated Sanders DNC contract

And given her and the Clinton campaigns immediate pouncing with belicose statements, and Hillary being immediately provided with the log files to attack Sanders with, tells us they are in cahoots. So there has to be an investigation.

They didn't believe the Sanders campaign would fight it, but Bernie knows manna from heaven when it drops into his lap. Now Debbie Wasserman Schultz is stonewalling and trying to halt the investigation into her activities. That's what guilty parties do.

During Watergate, it was the cover up that sink Nixon. Deja Vu.

[seabeyond]

15. He steals and they are bellicose for calling him on it. What a wonderful world to live in.

[AgingAmerican]

18. Sanders isn't accused of stealing anything

Especially given the fact the vendor says no sensitive data was exposed or taken. But don't let facts stop you!

Meanwhile, DWS breached Sanders contract with the DNC in her glee to sink him. Don't let facts stop you!

[seabeyond]

19. He stole and the goal is to deflect.

[AgingAmerican]

22. Give your evidence that he stole something

I eagerly await your evidence!

Please show where the DNC or the vendor say he stole anything!

I eagerly await your evidence!

[Cal33]

40. The way these guys talk and argue reminds me of the way Neo-Cons do. By definition,

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Third-Way Dems are supposed to be half-way Republican, aren't they? I suppose they
are just trying to live up to that definition.

[AgingAmerican]

43. They can bluster all day long, but we are the ones who want a FULL INVESTIGATION

Right wing rots minds.

[Cal33]

50. You're correct. They do.

[Historic NY]

24. And Bernie isn't fullfilling his part of that contract either...

a little thing called fundraising he agreed to. Some of that 8 million dollars raised in NY by Hillary went to the DNC and for other Democrats. Hillary filings show. November cash went to: AK, AR, ID, ME, MN. and now Alabama and RI.

He's running his campaign as if no one else matters, except him.

[AgingAmerican]

35. No amount of projection changes anything

[Historic NY]

75. Well its suggests he doesn't care about other Democrats.

thats a fact.

[geek tragedy]

20. eGhazi!!!! nt

[AgingAmerican]

44. Bring on the full investigation

FBI, the works. Lets see just who did what. Let the cards fall where they may, nothing you folks say will get this genie back in the bottle.

[geek tragedy]

80. Hare-brained conspiracy theories are not enough to trigger a federal investigation

Nor are they enough to support an open-ended fishing expedition via the federal courts.

The way the Sanders campaign has handled this indicates they can't be trusted with governing. Or building the party.

[AgingAmerican]

81. Bring it on

[LuvLoogie]

25. Yes. There should be. Call Gowdy or Issa. Tell Paul Ryan to do his duty.

[treestar]

26. I would predict that if Bernie were nominated somehow

the right wingers will be milking this incident for all they are worth.

[AgingAmerican]

45. Except the vendor says there was no incident

The only 'incident' was Debbie Wasserman Schultz going all half cocked, and the Hillary campaign jumping on the bandwagon with her.

Bring on the full investigation!

Delicious! Manna from heaven!

[spyker29]

64. If there was no incident...

It's no wonder most unions won't endorse Sanders. He fires people without cause.

[AgingAmerican]

82. Read the vendors blog

Will Unions love DWS unilateral contract breakage?

[Thinkingabout]

27. No, only where evidence of wrongdoing then it should be a full criminal investigation of Sanders

campaign breach of the data, it has not been any proof of wrong doing by DNC, NGP Van and the HRC campaign. Is this an admission of the breach of data by the Sanders campaign.

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. I had a nephew steal some stuff during a family event ...

I knew he did it ... his parents knew he did it ... and when I confronted him about it, he admitted that he did it.

I didn't call the police because of the harm, doing so, would have caused the family.

But then, if I didn't give a shit about the family ... well ...

[AgingAmerican]

46. The vendor said on Dec 18th that no data was stolen

No sensitive data was exposed. Both campaigns had the same access, but only one came forward and reported what had happened.

At what point do these false accusations become flat out lies?

[1StrongBlackMan]

48. That is not what the vendor reported ...

But you just continue going down this road ... it goes well with the online and DU polling nonsense.

[Thinkingabout]

72. Sanders took the breach seriously enough to fire one

And suspend two others, doesn't seem like he ignored this.

[gwheezie]

28. This is hilarious

No kidding, someone call Ken Starr.
I cut Bernie some slack and most of his supporters are reasonable people but this deranged spin that HRC is responsible for something the Bernie campaign did sounds like right-wing talk radio.
I don't see any point in blowing up the dem party in the middle of an election cycle when it seems to me there was very little harm done to either candidate.

[FlatBaroque]

39. It is never a bad time to decertify

an organization that is actively violating its basic purpose.

[1StrongBlackMan]

42. And there you have it! The reason for this silliness ...

some folks feel it is their duty to blow up the party ... on their own initiative, because a majority of Democrats disagree with their take on matters.

[AgingAmerican]

47. Debbie Wasserman Schultz made her own bed

When she went off half cocked with glee over what she thought was the end of the Sanders campaign, trampling all over the legal contracts that her and the DNC were bound to by law.

But don't let those pesky little facts get in the way of your Hillary talking points!!

And LET THE INVESTIGATIONS BEGIN!!

[1StrongBlackMan]

49. Yes ... Let's blow up the Democratic Party ...

then, wonder what the fuck happened.

[gwheezie]

51. Well bernie just recently became a democrat, nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

53. I posted something to that effect last week ...

It, of course, got alerted on.

[gwheezie]

56. Uh oh

Sometimes I think your posts are alerted on as sop for not all Bernie supporters ™.

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. Yep ... Wake up ... Pour coffee ... Find a 1SBM post to alert on ... Call it a productie day! LOL.

[gwheezie]

52. Of course however

The op is stating some sort of collusion based on ct.
I can think of a very good reason why dws would not want to expose Bernie to more scrutiny. As his supporters insist, he's going to be the nominee of the dem party.
Why would the dnc want to blow up the dem party? Why would you? I think Bernie initially handled this very well. If he's going to be the dem nominee why is his campaign running with innuendo and rw talking points? Why would Bernie want to blow up the dem party?

[napi21]

29. I believe ther is going to be a thorough investigation of all parties involved.

The DNC, NGP Van, Hillarys & Bernies campaign. I'm, MOST interested in the results of the NGB Van. My GUT tells me the main problem is the lack of security concerns. No programmer that ever worked for ME ever updated live data! If time permits, you wait until off hours to do it. If not, you send san announcement that the system will be unavailable for 15 or 30 mins. beginning at XXXX. That way there's no risk of anyone accidently or deliberately accessing secure info.

FWIW, I would have fired the personnel involved not only in the Sanders campaign, but the idiot programmer at NGP Van who took the unwise risk of just dropping the firewall to do his fix.

[floriduck]

33. And Little Debbie for running to the press

directly or via proxy.

[napi21]

73. I assumed she would be included in the DNC investugation. n/t

[840high]

30. Yes. Hell yes.

[stonecutter357]

34. Bernie Sanders Apologizes to Hillary Clinton for Stealing Voter Data.

[sabrina 1]

55. Yes there should. But the lawsuit is most likely where the 'investigation' will be conducted. No one

will trust any investigation that involves friends of anyone. A jury is Bernie's best bet for a full investigation with everyone under oath.

[Jackilope]

59. If true independent 3rd party investigating, yes.

No party should be above the law. Do I trust the GOP? Heck no. Do I trust DNC? No, not at all. It really would not surprise me if there was something in the dirty tricks catagory to undermine any campaign than those the 1% wants in place.

[still_one]

61. Is there proof. If not, then the Sanders' campaign is using Joe McCarthy tactics. Accuse someone

of a wrong doing, and then when it is proved they weren't, it is quietly forgotten

Screw the conspiracy theories or innuendos, if this turns out to be a false charge, the Sanders campaign is over

[Kalidurga]

62. It seems this is not going the way Hillary and her supporters expected it to go.

Their poutrage is delicious.

[still_one]

67. bring it on, but tell me honestly, if they find no conspiracy, and no connection to the DNC, I

wonder how many in the Sanders' camp would accept that?

[Kalidurga]

68. I don't think very many care even a little

I will accept it. But, I see no reason to back down at this point just because someone says it is the campaigns best interest. That concern seems disingenuous.

[still_one]

69. Sure, they will get donations. It is a motivator, but I do think people care

[joeybee12]

63. should I be amused or appalled

By such a total detachment from reality by Bernie supporters? His staff cheated and somehow it's Hilary's fault.

[jwirr]

74. There should be a full investigation and disclosure. I am

not sure that there are laws that cover this but if the Democratic Party wants our trust they damn well are going to have to earn it.