First post Christmas Ipsos-Reuters Nat'l Poll- HRC 60% SBS 28% MOM 4%

[DemocratSinceBirth]

http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TR131/type/smallest/filters/PARTY_ID_:1/dates/20150901-20151224/collapsed/false/spotlight/1

[Sheepshank]

1. Nice way to start the New Year nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Rod Stewart's version

[Iliyah]

3. K & R

[Historic NY]

4. K&R

confirmed the CNN poll findings post debate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. I can't wait to update the chart again./nt

[Sancho]

5. Great news...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Among the likeliest voters it's 64-29!!!

http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR131/filters/LIKELY_PRIMARY15:1,PARTY_ID_:1/dates/20150901-20151224/type/smallest

[Sancho]

13. Excellent!

That last debate seems to have won over some undecided!

[NurseJackie]

52. I'd overlooked that bit ... thanks for pointing it out.

[Alfresco]

7. Excellent. That 2:1 margin has been consistent for quite some time now.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Consistent with CNN's post debate findings

But those overall results mask a shift back toward Clinton following the Democratic debate on Saturday night. In interviews conducted before the debate, Sanders ran closer to Clinton, with 37% support to Clinton's 45%. Among those interviewed after the debate, Clinton's lead grew to 60% vs. Sanders' 27%.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/23/politics/cnn-orc-poll-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/

[BlueCaliDem]

9. This poll is bought and paid for by omnipotent Hillary Clinton!!!11

Just kidding. The 2:1 she's held against Sanders has been this way for months. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

This is good news - to see she's holding steady in the real world outside of Clinton-bashing DU these days.

and rec'd, DSB!

[MohRokTah]

10. Seems to me that poll after poll shows the Sanders "movement"...

proportionally represents about as much of the Democratic Party as the Teabagger movement represented the Republican Party in 2008.

[BlueCaliDem]

30. That's sure what it looks like.

Or about the same as RWers supported Duhbya with his 25-30% in the polls. Hm.

[lovemydog]

12. People who know my MOM

would say that she deserves more than 4% in the polls.

[concreteblue]

14. National polls are meaningless in the Primary season

Hey, but whatever helps you sleep.......

[grossproffit]

16. Uh huh. Fascinating...

Unless, of course, Bernie is on top.

[Bleacher Creature]

18. The same holds true for Internet polls.

And endorsements from Killer Mike.

[rbrnmw]

44. and Seth

don't forget him/it

[CSStrowbridge]

23. State polls...

State polls have Hillary Clinton in great shape as well. She's up in Iowa by more than 10 points. Sanders does lead in New Hampshire, but Hillary is up by more than 20 in South Carolina.

Sanders feels more like Ron Paul than Obama at this point.

I want him to stick around as long as possible, so that the media has to cover real left-wing policy ideas for longer, but I don't see him winning in the end.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. She's up in Iowa by fifteen points and South Carolina by forty points.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-iowa-presidential-democratic-primary


http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-iowa-presidential-democratic-primary

[grossproffit]

15. Funny how this topic sank to the bottom

[Bleacher Creature]

17. It's been remarkably consistent and I don't see it changing.

Looking at these numbers, alongside the countless number of threads from people who are sure it's all a conspiracy and that Bernie is really ahead, is terrifying. It's one thing to have faith, and another to be divorced from reality.

This primary could be over in less than 10 weeks, and reality is going to hit some people really hard.

[Vinca]

20. Bernie's loss wouldn't hit me as hard as Hillary's loss in the general would.

I fear it's not going to go well. Her honesty numbers are terrible and if Trump is her opponent it'll be nonstop Hillary trashing. Normally, that might not matter, but she doesn't generate much excitement and I can't imagine people standing in long lines for hours to vote for her. I could certainly be wrong and I hope I am if she's the nominee.

[CSStrowbridge]

22. Hillary would easily beat Trump in the General Election.

"Her honesty numbers are terrible..."

Are they worse that Trumps? Are they worse than the average GOP candidate?


"...Trump is her opponent it'll be nonstop Hillary trashing."

Complete with tons of sexist attacks that will drive independents, especially women, to Hillary Clinton.

"...I can't imagine people standing in long lines for hours to vote for her."

For the first woman president? Really?

[Old Codger]

25. What?

We should go out of our way to vote for her because she is a woman???.. Female or male she is still way too far right to be considered a dem.

[Bleacher Creature]

26. This "right wing" charge is riduculous.

If Hillary Clinton is "too far right," I'd hate to hear your opinion of where President Obama stands.

[BlueCaliDem]

31. *crickets*

How is it that most Bernie supporters and anti-Hillary Clinton detractors are also anti-Obama people? Or is this just coincidence?

[Bleacher Creature]

32. I used to get really worried about the "my candidate or nobody" people.

And then I saw a few of them bragging about voting for Nader in 2000 and 2004, and even a few who voted for either McKinney in 2008 or Stein in 2012 (or both).

Newsflash: If a person hasn't voted for a Democratic nominee this millenium, they're not actually a Democrat at all, so their threat to vote for a protest candidate is meaningless.

[BlueCaliDem]

41. I've seen the same thing, although there were many two or three who

actually voted Democratic Party and who are actually not an anti-Obama DUer.

So I agree with you: their threats to vote for a protest candidate is meaningless in the larger political world, but they're hoping we don't notice. They're hoping we'll fall for their 'sudden' disenchantment with the Democratic Party. Uh...no.

[anigbrowl]

50. It's not a coincidence

Being in opposition is in many ways more enjoyable than being in power. People bond in a community that's under pressure, and the very name of this site exemplifies that. Being in power means making decisions, some of which will piss people off, and compromises with your opponents that will piss other people off. When you're out of power you can fantasize all day about how you'd do things differently but you don't have to deliver.

For me Sanders' big weakness is front and center in his campaign: his constant repetition that 'we need a political revolution.' In my view if you need a revolution to get things done it's because you can't figure out a way to do anything within the existing system, and your only plan is to change everything. This is like saying the rain needs to stop instead of accepting that you're going to get wet some of the time: you're in for serious disappointment because it ain't happening.

Of course revolutions do take place, but they're not the sort of thing you can put a bridle on and ride to electoral success. Revolutions are inherently disorderly transfers of power. And while I thought that revolutions were a very exciting idea when I was younger, I also came to realize that they frequently end up making things worse, or bad in a different way. Colonial revolutions sometimes lead to independence, but when they do this is often followed by civil war. Purely domestic revolutions often end up in excess followed by an even more overbearing autocracy. It's instructive to study French history; 10 years after the revolution of 1789 Napoleon was able to make himself a dictator with an impressive 99.4% of the popular vote, and within a few years launched a war of conquest across Europe.

Bernie's a nice guy, but he is no more competent to lead the USA than he is to pilot a 747. His supporters are like people in economy class who want more leg room (understandably) but think that this gives them insight into aeronautics (it doesn't). In this metaphor Hillary is the pilot who pretends to like you on the way to the cockpit but actually hates interacting with the public and is relieved to close the door behind her. On the other hand, I feel pretty comfortable with her ability to fly the plane.

[BlueCaliDem]

53. Wow. Excellent analysis and astute understanding of politics and politicians.

I really enjoyed reading your post. I hope many others will take the time to read it, too. Very well written, concise, easy-to-understand, and enjoyable. Thanks, anigbrowl.

[Old Codger]

38. You are correct

You most likely don't want to hear it....I voted for him both times, if Hill is candidate unlike several I have seen post about it I will once again hold my nose and vote for the lesser of the bad choices.. the charge may be ridiculous in your opinion, but you have yours and I have mine....

[drowefnp]

24. Bernie or Hillary is better than Trump or Cruz

I will enthusiastically support Bernie or Hillary, whichever one wins. I think both candidates have enormous appeal in democratic party.

Hillary's honesty numbers are driven by over 20 years of relentless right wing media and republican attacks which have been accepted as gospel by many. It will be non-stop trashing of Bernie as a "SOCIALIST" if he wins the nomination and much doom and gloom will be on the Tee Vee that communism and food rations are around the corner if Bernie is elected. I can image many people standing in long lines to vote DEMOCRAT because much is at stake in the next election. I get that you are a Bernie supporter, so you may be inclined to be reflexively negative against Hillary, but I don't think the majority of the democratic electorate see things that way.

[Vinca]

28. Of course either is better than Trump or Cruz.

I'm not a Bernie supporter who is totally opposed to Hillary. I just think Hillary supporters are living in a fantasy land if they think it will be a cake walk for her. If there is one Democrat who Republicans hate more than Obama, it's Hillary. If they all show up to vote and Democrats who aren't all that enthusiastic stay home, the GOP wins. Scary.

[Old Codger]

40. If she is the nominee

You can count on a summer of shitstorms from the right wing for sure everything she has done right or wrong and unfortunately she has a lot of wrongs ..I will be even gladder that I don't have TV..

[SunSeeker]

19. K & R

[captainarizona]

21. reply to dump

I would have replied to elmer hide except I am blocked on bernie thread for saying he needs to attract more minority democrats. What goes around comes around!

[Algernon Moncrieff]

27. My daughter attends a well-known East Coast university. Her theory

Paraphrasing: Bernie Sanders supporters are starting to realize that he isn't going to win the nomination, and are starting to reconcile that.

I hope that soon we can work on getting Bernie and MO'M supporters on board in the fight against Trump/Cruz/Rubio et. al.

[doxyluv13]

29. Yay for Bernie, at this time in 2007 Obama was only at 27%!

nm

[dlwickham]

34. K&R

[Alfresco]

35. Latest HuffPost Florida Polls - Hillary Clinton 56.8% - Bernie Sanders 21.7%

Thought I would throw these out, just for fun.

[Number23]

36. Damn. Just... damn

[Blanks]

37. The statistic that I'd like to see is how many republican women...

Will vote for Hillary once her opponent in the general election makes some kind of sexist remark.

I was watching a discussion with three women and a man on the TV. Among the women was Jeb's campaign manager and Cokie Roberts. Mathew Dowd made some comment about Hillary's trustworthiness and every one of the women blasted him.

Men don't know when they've said something that offends every women in the world. At least I don't, and neither does Mathew Dowd. It's gonna be interesting if Hillary gets the nomination.

She's tough and whoever she's running against us gonna screw up at least once.

[ismnotwasm]

39. K&R

[NurseJackie]

42. Excellent!!

[Persondem]

43. This is certainly a nice post-Christmas present. Thank you for posting. K& R nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. You're welcome./nt

[Ferd Berfel]

45. THis is the FIRST time I"ve tried to find the reuters Methodology for one of these - Can't Find it.

Did I miss it on the page ?

Anyone have a link or are we flying blind here?

[Ferd Berfel]

48. So reuters has double secret methodology?

No wonder the numbers come out like this

[rbrnmw]

46. thanks

[R B Garr]

49. K&R!

[FloridaBlues]

51. Wow hit the 60% mark nice!

[workinclasszero]

54. Iowa is only 33 days away!

Go Hillary!!