Sanders campaign hints ‘hacker’ who accessed Clinton data may have been a DNC plant

[NCTraveler]

In an interview with Yahoo Politics, an adviser to the campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders hinted that the data breach that resulted in the campaign losing access to the DNC servers may have been the result of a employee planted in the campaign by the DNC.

Following the controversy that saw Sanders staffers blocked from accessing some of their own voter data after it was revealed that proprietary information belonging to the Clinton campaign was being viewed, the Sanders campaign apologized and fired the “hacker,” national data director, Josh Uretsky.

https://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/sanders-campaign-hints-hacker-who-accessed-clinton-data-may-have-been-a-dnc-plant/

[99th_Monkey]

1. Yep. This is getting VERY interesting indeed

Smells like a DNC/HRC Rove-style set-up

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

105. Wouldn't shock me... waitin on the proof.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[99th_Monkey]

108. Yes .. proof is nice. I'm definitely staying tuned. n/t

[TheBlackAdder]

2. Here is a conflicting article, from DailyKos:

.


http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/26/1463734/--Don-t-Be-Played-The-Sanders-Campaign-Hasn-t-Charged-Conspiracy-or-Claimed-Josh-Uretsky-is-a-Plant


.

[Uncle Joe]

6. Schultz's needless death penalty actions give additional evidence to a possible plant.

There was no hacking involved, the firewall was simply down so breaking the contract and crippling Bernie's campaign in a draconian fashion was totally unnecessary.

If the firewall was up, it was only down for approximately 40 minutes, Bernie's campaign had no access to Hillary's information, likewise Hillary's campaign had no access to Bernie's campaign.

[TheBlackAdder]

10. As an IT Officer for a financial firm: In 35 years, never seeing this level of gross incompetence!

.


No data center secures by firewall alone.

That's just to suppress IP addresses from the outside and also between internal systems.



1) Userid security is required to lock down the applications and database records.

2) Session and Application tokens are required to further authenticate a session and prevent session hijacking.

3) Also, when a firewall goes down, the default security shouldn't be to authenticate/permit access, but to deny it!



There are so many flaws to the internals of this vendor's application design, since firewall checking implies that folks behind the firewall are allowed unrestricted access.


Could you imagine your bank allowing others access to your banking information because their firewall was down?

What's the point of having userids, if userid authentication isn't performed agaist the data?


.

[Uncle Joe]

13. Do your points increase the possibility that he was a plant as he would have this information

on Hillary's campaign.

1) Userid security is required to lock down the applications and database records.

2) Session and Application tokens are required to further authenticate a session and prevent session hijacking.

3) Also, when a firewall goes down, the default security shouldn't be to authenticate/permit access, but to deny it!

[TheBlackAdder]

22. There's no way I could answer that.

.

My hat isn't working today.



.

[Uncle Joe]

27. It doesn't take Carnac, just Sherlock.

This is just another piece of evidence.

[hobbit709]

19. Some years back where my wife worked they put in a new security setup

to protect client confidentiality. Computer A couldn't look at files from computer B, etc.
I looked over the system and said "HMM" and went home, got on the internet, logged on to their intranet with my wife's ID and password and from the outside had access to EVERY file on every drive in the system including the servers.
I told them that I could CRAP a better security setup than what they had. They were not amused by my comment.

[TheBlackAdder]

20. That shows poor QA and a failure to perform due diligence in application certification. nt

[hobbit709]

24. It came in handy two years later when they fired her after 32 years since she didn't fit their

corporate image. I got in and deleted all the forms she was using for the USDA stuff. I had created those forms at home for her and they were my property. If they wanted them it was going to cost them big bucks.

[The Golden One]

31. Don't forget ACL's. These are important too.

Those Access Control Lists are very important in terms of data security.

[1StrongBlackMan]

23. Please post this to the Sanders Group ...

as it is clear, DU:Bernie hasn't got the memo.

[Number23]

77. GMTA. I just posted something similar to seabeyond downthread!!

"He's a plant!"

"The story saying he's a plant is fake!"

[passiveporcupine]

57. This just shows Bernie's true style

He's not going to claim conspiracy until there is actual proof that there was a conspiracy. He just doesn't play that way. If he suspects something raw, he might mention it and even go after it, but he does not put explosive news out there without proof. He's no fool.

[JunkyardAngel83]

63. Thank you!

[Uncle Joe]

3. Kicked and recommended although I don't agree with the term "hacker" the information

was made readily available to all candidates.

It didn't take any technological skill to view opposing candidates' information.

Thanks for the thread, NCTraveler.

[1StrongBlackMan]

4. This is getting really sad. eom

[BlueCaliDem]

14. + 1000

Indeed. It's becoming horribly, unequivocally, pathetically sad.

[rhett o rick]

32. I agree it's sad but we knew that the unlimited resouces of the billionaires would

be used for this kind of dirty tricks. Similar dirty tricks were used against Obama to no avail. People want an honest candidate.

[treestar]

41. The aluminum industry

is experiencing an increase in profits, however.

[Number23]

49. Beyond sad. Full fledged "hide under the table embarassing" at this point

Like I said downthread, I have had many problems with the Democratic party over the years. But these ridiculous tactics from the Sanders campaign are a whole 'nother level and anyone who thinks that they are helping him or hurting Hillary is just fucking denying reality. This kind of "attack, attack, attack" strategies are red meat to his base, but everybody else is just looking at him and doing the " are you doing??!" face.

“It’s not as if we conjured this guy Josh from thin air. This is an individual … who was recommended to us by the DNC and NGP VAN,” the adviser said.

Absolutely irresponsible and classless allegation.

[JunkyardAngel83]

122. Well said. I agree.

It gets more cringeworthy everyday. This isn't the first irresponsible allegation the Sanders campaign has thrown out there either. Like Bernie himself saying Hillary's campaign did the same thing. SMH They need to stop. It's not a good look. Sanders supporters eat it up, though. I wish they (Sanders campaign and supporters) would just own the fact that some Sanders campaign staffers fucked up and stop trying to find someone else to blame. It's embarrassing and childish. I'm planning to vote Bernie in the California primary vote, but IDK sometimes...

[karynnj]

133. What is either classless or irresponsible here, it is very likely true

Even a primary campaign means hiring hundreds of people to do functions that Bernie Sanders' staff would never have needed to do. It is not unlikely - or unreasonable - that they would have asked NGP VAN or the DNC for recommendations of people with who could do this specialized job. Remember that both the DNC and NGP VAN should be impartial and supportive to all Democratic campaigns.

I suspect that Sanders unlikely campaign has had a harder time than most building up the human resources needed to run a campaign. (At the other end of the spectrum, HRC started with a core of people who have been with her - and some with both her and Bill Clinton - for decades. )

I would guess that many people working for Bernie came from the various companies of professional campaign consultants. Some of them might not even personally prefer Sanders as President.

[Number23]

143. So making sure that the press sees you suddenly "remembering" that the DNC referred the guy

that you had to fire a week and a bit after you filed a lawsuit against the DNC for "sabotaging" your campaign is a good thing now? And is not at all a really blatant attempt to bolster your case that the DNC is working against you?

I think that judging by the press this has gotten, most people see this for exactly what it is. Which is unfortunate for the Sanders campaign.

[karynnj]

146. look at it the other way

He immediately fired the guy and it is reasonable that many are asking how his campaign hired him and did not pick up up on his lack of judgment and or integrity.

Are you suggesting HRC would not have blamed the person who actually did this and attempted to distance herself?

[Number23]

147. I wouldn't blame anyone for distancing themselves from that idiot

And I was incredibly glad to hear that the Sanders campaign immediately fired him.

I have been significantly less encouraged by the fact that he refuses to drop his lawsuit against the DNC and now other members of his campaign are suddenly "remembering" that it was the DNC that referred the guy to them in the first place. The sudden "remembering" that it was the DNC that referred the guy to the campaign does not in any way appear to be a response to a question that was asked of the campaign. No way that's a coincidence or unplanned.

[karynnj]

149. I doubt it was suddenly - I assume that Weaver was asked the history

It would be the obvious thing -- ie Why was he hired -- response -- he was recommended, by whom? -- the DNC.

Note that nothing there is CT. The suspicions here -- that it was the DNC planted him there to create a problem if needed -- are strange and unlikely. It is weird that seeing the firewall down, that he immediately told several subordinates to take things.

Given the timing - the firewall problem was supposedly just 40 minutes, it is completely unlikely that he saw it -- went to Weaver or someone else and was told to do this. He was almost surely the highest person involved and he likely did it of his own initiative.

A harder question is what should be done with the others. In their case, they were told what to do by their boss. However, they should have known that it was wrong and should have refused. (Not an easy thing to do - especially if you like your boss. )

As to Sanders, it is clear that he is angry that his team lost access to their own data for several days -- at a time when every day is critical. Given that HE personally did nothing wrong -- and this was the action of a rogue employee, I can see why he won't drop it - especially as DWS completely trashed him and his campaign. (Ironic as it seems that this happened in 2008 and the party that did it was Clinton's and DWS was a co chair. Then, there was no penalty or throwing them off the system.) Whether accurate of not, I seriously doubt DWS would have treated the Clinton campaign as harshly if the roles were reversed.

In addition, there was the fact that DWS made this public when there was no reason to do so -- and in 2008 it was not made public. Bernie Sanders has a reputation for honesty and integrity, earned over decades. It is clearly important to him and he is asking to prevent himself being smeared with the label of condoning a campaign that would act dishonestly.

Do you object to HRC defending herself from the worst accusations that were leveled at her because of her poor judgment in using a single account for business and private email on her private server?

[Number23]

152. Well your doubts are the issue and my point. No one appears to have asked them anything

that required an answer of "and the DNC referred us to that guy in the first place." That's entirely everyone's point.

As for your point about this happened in 2008, I keep seeing Sanders supporters make that point over and over again and nothing anywhere has shown that anything even remotely similar to this happened in 2008. Even Sanders' own lawsuit against the DNC says that the breach that allowed the Clinton team to see others' data was "unintentional." Which is 100% different from this very deliberate, VERY intentional breach of data by the Sanders campaign. So I have no idea why anyone would think that continuously bringing this up is helping Sanders or his team.

Do you object to HRC defending herself from the worst accusations that were leveled at her because of her poor judgment in using a single account for business and private email on her private server?

I have absolutely no idea what this has to do with the subject at hand. You could not have pulled that further out of left field. And as stupid as it was for her to have a separate email account, the email business is in no way the same level as the deliberate attempt to steal data from a rival campaign. It's fascinating that anyone would even try to pretend that it is.

[karynnj]

157. The email business was WORSE than the Sanders issue

Why? No one remotely thinks that Sanders himself had ANYTHING to do with the breech. Clinton made the decision to do what she did -- and it left a mess for the Obama administration because they did not have the stuff they should have had for various FOIA requests. It took nearly 2 years for them to realize what happened, negotiate with Clinton and then wait six months to get all the email ON PAPER.

Here, the vendor screwed up and lifted the firewall. It is not like the Sanders campaign plotted this all out. The opening was there for 40 minutes -- and this employee - hired about 3 months earlier, recommended by the DNC -- made the unethical decision to take data. There is no defense for this employee - and he was quickly fired.

However, the DNC opted to make it public and to then prevent the Sanders campaign from accessing any of their own data for several days.

[Number23]

158. Yeah. I'm done here

If you think that her having a separate email account was worse than a campaign's DELIBERATE attempt to access, download and use a rival campaign's data then I don't know what to tell you.

And Sanders is the one that has not dropped his lawsuit against the DNC and his staff and supporters are now also hinting that the Clinton campaign did the same in 2008 without a SHRED of proof, that the guy was a DNC plant and now are actually FUNDRAISING off of this fiasco.

If that's what you think a principled, well run campaign looks like then I can totally understand why you think that Hillary's email stupidity is so much worse than cheating, suing after you got caught, and then RAISING MONEY off it.

[R B Garr]

136. Very well said. These are just antics and gimmicks

to keep the anti-everything base fired up. So phony, but it shows the mindless pandering to the phony outrage junkies who seem to relish this mindset.

[reACTIONary]

59. I'm really wondering if this can actually be considered a real....

..... presidential campaign any longer. It seems to be more a quixotic quest against imaginary monsters.

The only mitigating asspect of this is that it comes from an anonymous source within the campaign and not an official statement.

[1StrongBlackMan]

74. Oh ... It's still a campaign; but, Bernie is being done a disservice by his advisors ...

and supporters, with this foolishness.

[Sheepshank]

153. I wouldn't be surprised to find out Weaver has been orchestrating the whole fiasco

...and at this late stage of the campaign, Bernie has no option but to keep Weaver on board and cover up his ineptitude.

[JunkyardAngel83]

123. "It seems to be more a quixotic quest against imaginary monsters."

That's deep.

[reACTIONary]

141. Welcome to DU !!! And....

....."It seems to be more a quixotic quest against imaginary monsters."

It's a paraphrase of a well known cliché.

[Number23]

145. A few here are even trying to pretend that it didn't come from Sanders' own campaign

They are sitting around demanding the name of the member of staff who suddenly felt compelled to "remember" to the press that it was the DNC that referred that guy to the Sanders campaign.

The level of denial that is going on right now seems to be unprecedented. But then again I was never a Kucinich or Edwards supporter either so all of this insanity looks new to me.

[Number23]

148. A few here are even trying to pretend that it didn't come from Sanders' own campaign

They are sitting around demanding the name of the member of staff who suddenly felt compelled to "remember" that it was the DNC that referred that guy to the Sanders campaign.

The level of denial that is going on right now seems to be unprecedented. But then again I was never a Kucinich or Edwards supporter either so all of this insanity looks new to me.

[okasha]

80. There they go, down the rabbit hole.

Cue Jefferson Airplane.. ..

[seabeyond]

5. He continually proves over and over, why he should not have the top job in the U.S. Nt

[NurseJackie]

7. +1

[MohRokTah]

12. + 1,000,000,000,000 eom

[leftofcool]

15. + another. More tinfoil hat stuff!

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. Just when I thought it had bottomed out ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128090345

A psychic?
Maybe, I shouldn't laugh at that which I don't understand ... I don't understand a belief in psychics; nor, do I understand what is going on with the Bernie campaign or his more enthusiastic supporters; but, damn!

[reACTIONary]

64. coast to coast am? Next we will....

... be told that Clinton 's data was abducted by aliens .

[rbrnmw]

84. I know I just laughed so hard I cried

Thanks but A psychic who channels dead people???

[1StrongBlackMan]

87. A psychic that channels imaginary dead people ...

Seth, the God of Chaos!

But when you think about it ... It makes complete sense.

[rbrnmw]

89. This is comedy gold

Wow the things you see on DU

[1StrongBlackMan]

91. Yes ... Sadly, we are seeing a lot. eom.

[Number23]

93. Oh. My. God. My expressions reading that:

and



and

[1StrongBlackMan]

102. LOL ...

There is one rational Bernie supporter that I would ask if he is finally embarrassed beyond belief ... but I don't want to call him out.

[seabeyond]

106. Ha ha. Nt.

[rbrnmw]

117. hahaha

[JunkyardAngel83]

127. Hahahaha

[rbrnmw]

135. rereading this subthread made me think of this

[brer cat]

168. LOL

Brilliant!

[MohRokTah]

119. And THAT threads gets 100 ROFLs!!!!!!!!

I even had to rec it because the world needs to see the desperation it takes to quote a friggin' psychic as the reason why a certain candidate will win!!!!

[Starry Messenger]

120. Oh dear! No wonder a lot of them hate science.

Much becomes clear...!

[okasha]

121. What's next?

The Priory of Sion? The Illuminati ? The DaVinci Code?

[JunkyardAngel83]

125. OMG LMAO

"The spiritual entity he channels puts it at a seventy percent likelihood"

This cannot be for real!

[leftofcool]

128. I don't understand the belief in psychics either

I guess we will just have to let this play out.

[livetohike]

16. This and other reasons. Vindictive when things don't go his way. n/t

[reACTIONary]

60. +100 (NT)

[NCTraveler]

126. +1 nt

[cali]

8. Unless they have evidence, they should zip it.

Yes, it's common practice for campaigns to do this, but you should really have evidence before so much as hinting

[JonLeibowitz]

11. +1

At the same time, it doesn't make any sense for them to be crucified for an employee recommended to them by the DNC / vendor.

[winter is coming]

44. Agreed, although I haven't noticed that the Sanders campaign is much given

to bragging or making wild claims, so I'm wondering if they do have some sort of proof.

[MohRokTah]

9. Sounds like the Sanders campaign has gone full blown tinfoil hat CT

NUTS.

That's the end of anything approaching legitimacy that campaign had.

[FarPoint]

42. I'd believe a GOP plant before anything else.

GOP seeks chaos for all Democrats.

[Uncle Joe]

43. The GOP didn't recommend the primary culprit to Bernie's campaign. n/t

[RBInMaine]

161. INSANE paranoia and delusion are shared by the mega-right AND the mega-left.

[mmonk]

17. Hacker?

It appeared on his computer when he signed in.

[drowefnp]

18. Meltdown in Bernie's campaign looks to be underway

This latest story is very sad and smacks of desperation because it looks like Bernie's campaign is imploding before the voting even gets underway in Iowa. While many Bernie supports ravenously lap up these conspiracy theories, I have to wonder where are the smart people in that campaign to steer the ship from crashing into the rocks or going off the cliff ? Does Bernie have any idea that his campaign is spiraling out of control and off message with this idiocy?

Bernie, please get your campaign back on track! This distraction will not benefit your campaign. You are losing new and undecided voters with this tactic!!!!

This paranoia and victim-hood is truly sad to see from a campaign that was promised by Bernie to be different

[grasswire]

39. that latest talking point for a concern troll.

weren't you here yesterday as someone else?

[drowefnp]

45. Absolutely Not

Nice try...... but your hostility will not scare me or shut me down.

I don't have to pretend to be a troll or explain myself to you. I don't play juvenile games. I am a lifelong democrat and proud of it! I I have been a lurking member of this board for many years and I now feel I have to speak out on the crazy stuff that is being said supposedly by Sanders supporters. Bernie is a good man and deserves better than some supporters and advisers are giving him.

Perhaps you are one the trolls with the talking points, pretending to support Bernie while trying to divide and destroy the Democratic party. But it won't work, our party will not be destroyed; we will persevere.

You can certainly comment on the discussion on the unraveling in Bernie's campaign rather than trying to intimidate me. It won't help your cause one bit. If you are truly interested in Bernie's cause, I would recommend you expend more time and energy on canvassing for Bernie to get his message out. Right now Bernie's message is drowning in this ridiculous drivel.

Message to Bernie: Right the ship and do it soon!

[demwing]

53. You're very generous

going through all this effort just to warn Bernie and his supporters that the campaign is "imploding."

(no sarcasm tags were harmed during the writing of this post)

[Number23]

47. "I have to wonder where are the smart people in that campaign to steer the ship"

You and EVERYBODY ELSE. This is absolutely insane what's happening. And as you said, the only people applauding this foolishness are the 20% of "Democrats" that already hated the party. I have had many MANY issues with the Dem party over the years but anyone that thinks that these scorched earth tactics are helping Democrats, helping Sanders or hurting Hillary is just fucking fooling themselves. Nothing more or less.

While many Bernie supports ravenously lap up these conspiracy theories, I have to wonder where are the smart people in that campaign to steer the ship from crashing into the rocks or going off the cliff ? Does Bernie have any idea that his campaign is spiraling out of control and off message with this idiocy?

I'm wondering the same.

[draa]

67. If it quacks like a duck...

You seem concerned about Bernie and what this is doing to his chances for some reason. You'd think her supporters would be welcoming all this but many seem a little too worried for some reason. Eager to "put it behind us" for some reason.

Why would any of you care? If it's doing nothing for either candidate, and Sanders ship his heading for the rocks, why would any one of you care?

What I find funny is how damn obvious some of her supporters are. The concern trolling is an added bonus.

[Number23]

70. Yet another perfect (and beyond precious) example of the behavior that everyone is talking about

Any moderately intelligent or reasonable person would know that anything that damages the Dem party is bad for all of us. You and the other extra special Sanders supporters out there can't see anything past your candidate and don't care about anything else so it's not surprising that you're having a bit of trouble with this.

Now, like I said, the 20% of "Democrats" that already hated the party are loving this. But Democrats and thinking people realize that anything that damages or derails the Dem party is bad for everyone. The fact that Trump has even weighed in on this should tell you all that you need to know. Not that you seem to understand or care.

[draa]

78. Intra party squabbles are part of politics.

I've been a Democrat for 32 years. Crap like this happens all the time, Just that we don't normally hear about it.

Are you seriously telling me conspiracy theories will make or break the Democrats? Or hurt them somehow? Really? That's just hogwash. It's patently false. And if the Democratic Party can't withstand this? Then our party wasn't that strong to begin with and deserves the pain.

Have you got a link for that 20% number you keep using. You use it with such certainty that you must have a link.

[Number23]

79. Lawsuits and implying that the DNC put a "plant" in a Democratic contender's campaign in order to

sabotage it is a hell of alot more than "intra party squabbles." You'd think that someone with your DECADES of experience as a Democrat would understand that.

And I'm equating that 20% with the number of people who seem to be not only supporting Sanders but cheering this lawsuit and the innuendo dropping about conspiracy theories on. There ain't many folks doing that though it does seem they are all here on this web site.

[Uncle Joe]

81. Schultz refused to help Democratic Candidates in Florida because she was too close to their

Republican opponents, was this a conspiracy?

The warning signs have been there for years. As co-chair of the "Red to Blue" campaign to help increase Democratic seats in the House, she refused to support the Democrats running against three potentially vulnerable Florida Republicans - Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Mario Diaz-Balart - because of her friendship with those Republicans.

As blogger Steve Clemmons wrote at the time:

The Diaz-Balart brothers and Ros-Lehtinen are not moderate in any sense of the word, are embracers of Bush’s wars, and have been responsible for sustaining a counter-productive embargo of Cuba by the United States that 183 nations of the world voted against us on this past year in the United Nations. Debbie Wasserman Schultz is helping to defend the political turf of not the best in the Republican Party — but the worst. (Article: Venting About Debbie Wasserman Schultz)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/16/1421914/-Debbie-Wasserman-Schultz-The-Manchurian-Chair

[Number23]

82. This is all fascinating. Really

And it does an excellent job of diverting the topic away from the Sanders campaign violating Clinton's files, suing the DNC when access to their own files were blocked as a result and now alleging that the DNC may have planted the person they fired for inappropriately accessing said Clinton files into their campaign in order to sabotage it.

Seriously.

[Uncle Joe]

83. There's more in regards to Schultz's so called "respect for the rules" and the DNC.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz is the national co-chair of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. She has been a major player in stopping a Florida revote. Even as Bill and Hillary called for one in the beginning....she kept saying "no revote". Her words are in a link later in the post.

Then they all gave up on the revote and started blaming Barack Obama and Howard Dean for NOT breaking the rules. Hillary sent out an email as late as yesterday saying "I have repeatedly called for seating their delegates." That is true, she has done that as well as all the other stances taken.

The anger in me started again today when I read these words of Debbie Wasserman Schultz. She managed to imply that Howard Dean had been combative with Florida leaders.

It is just so ironic.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5367315

Bernie's campaign is suing for damages and discovery as his own campaign's information was at risk as well.

[Number23]

92. His access to his data was reinstated the second he decided to cooperate with the DNC

There doesn't appear to be any reason for the lawsuit anymore. Well, beyond the fact that his campaign is bewilderingly using it to fundraise.

[Uncle Joe]

101. The lawsuit came before the reinstatement and he didn't give the DNC any additional

information from what they were asking for in order to be reinstated.

[Number23]

110. That's my point. The lawsuit was to get access back to his own data which was

granted when he began to cooperate with the DNC.

[Uncle Joe]

112. It was also for damages and discovery. n/t

[Number23]

113. Yes, damages due to not being able to access the data.

[Uncle Joe]

114. His own voter data which was also at risk while the firewall was down, that's one of the things that

discovery might shed light on.

[Uncle Joe]

103. Here you go.

By Ben Brumfield and Dan Merica, CNN
Updated 1:46 PM ET, Sat December 19, 2015 | Video Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)The Democratic National Committee has agreed to allow the Bernie Sanders campaign to regain access to voter files.

The DNC had cut off Sanders from a crucial voter database, saying the campaign wrongly accessed data gathered by Hillary Clinton's team. Sanders filed suit in federal court Friday evening seeking to regain access to its own voter data.

(snip)

"The Sanders campaign has now complied with the DNC's request to provide the information that we have requested of them. Based on this information, we are restoring the Sanders campaign's access to the voter file, but will continue to investigate to ensure that the data that was inappropriately accessed has been deleted and is no longer in possession of the Sanders campaign," the DNC said in a statement early Saturday.

The Sanders campaign had a different interpretation of the decision to restore its access.

"The Democratic National Committee on Friday capitulated and agreed to reinstate Sen. Bernie Sanders' campaign's access to a critically-important voter database," the campaign said.

The about-face came late on Friday night as a deadline neared for a hearing on a motion for an emergency injunction which the Sanders campaign sought after he sued the party in U.S. District Court in Washington.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/19/politics/bernie-sanders-dnc-data-deal-clinton/

There is plenty of reason for the lawsuit, both in damages and discovery.

[1StrongBlackMan]

131. And this ...

His access to his data was reinstated the second he decided to cooperate with the DNC

Is the reason the lawsuit will be dismissed,

But this:

the fact that his campaign is bewilderingly using it to fundraise.

is why the campaign is/will continue to press/talk about it.

[Number23]

142. And it's also the reason this idiocy won't die the way that it should have days ago

Not only is his campaign (bewilderingly) using it to fundraise, but his supporters have convinced themselves that this behavior is noble and valiant when it is really nothing but unnecessary and disruptive.

If any other candidate acted this way, this board would be rightfully calling all of this crap out.

[1StrongBlackMan]

144. Yes ... "Noble and valiant" ...

seems to be the stuff of quixotic missions.

[MeNMyVolt]

85. +1 Stop reading my mind #23!

[BlueCaliDem]

21. ...

[MADem]

25. Is Sanders about to fire that comic book salesman running his campaign?

He should--the guy has been making an ass of himself for the past couple of weeks.

All that hot-breathed anger in between firing people for malfeasance...it's just not a good look.

Frankly, Sanders deserves a better staff than he has--right now, his top crew looks like these bozos of SNL fame:

[NCTraveler]

166. Almost posted the same sentiment last week.

One of his press conferences was truly horrifying.

[MADem]

167. I really think "Bellicose" describes him to a tee. nt

[Bleacher Creature]

26. Was the "plant" trained during Jade Helm? Is this all part of Agenda 21?

[dlwickham]

66. Who told

You figured it out

[NowSam]

28. and if it is proven to be true

Then how will the Hillarians react? Will they demand DWS to go and that Hill apologize to Bernie and her own supporters?

I ask this as a serious question.

[1StrongBlackMan]

38. It's not just Hillary supporters that are seeing the tragic insanity of this all. ...

But I suppose that if the conspiracy theory (that the Bernie campaign is trying to distance themselves from) proves true, then a bunch of folks will have a bunch of crow to eat.

But I would hold my breath, or anything of value, waiting for that to happen.

[Uncle Joe]

40. Did Schultz believe in a conspiracy theory when she broke the contract and tried to

cripple Bernie's campaign, despite the fact that Bernie had swiftly acted on the issue by firing the culprit; (recommended by the DNC) while investigating others, the firewall was up and running having only been down for approximately 40 minutes, and it violated the DNC /candidate contract?

If Schultz didn't believe in a conspiracy theory that Bernie was proactively trying to obtain Hillary's information, then what motivated Schultz to act in such an unethical manner?

[1StrongBlackMan]

46. From what I've read (on DU and elsewhere) ...

The contract wasn't "broken"; though, access to the data was suspended ... AFTER THE BERNIE CAMPAIGN WAS CAUGHT ACCESSING PROPRIETARY DATA OF THE HRC CAMPAIGN ... and before the culprit was fired.

If Schultz didn't believe in a conspiracy theory that Bernie was proactively trying to obtain Hillary's information, then what motivated Schultz to act in such an unethical manner?

Really? The Data trail! And, cutting off the access was the ethical thing to do, once it was determined that the Bernie camp's searches suggested that they were proactively trying to obtain Hillary's information.

[Uncle Joe]

65. The DNC candidate contract required written notification and a ten day waiting period for

the candidate to respond.

It wasn't ethical as the vendor; selected by Schultz's DNC was at fault for allowing the firewall to collapse, the primary culprit; recommended by the DNC was fired by Bernie's campaign, Bernie's campaign had already warned the DNC of firewall issues going back to at least October so there is no evidence they wanted Hillary's information, or they would've taken advantage of it then.

Schultz in shutting off Bernie's campaign from its' own information, trying to cripple his campaign after the firewall was already reestablished (within 40 minutes) as Bernie had shown good faith by his actions both prior to the collapse and after was nothing but unethical, draconian, petty, punitive and unjust, Schultz went drastically overboard.

[1StrongBlackMan]

69. The contract required a 10 day notice to TERMINATE the contract ...

the contract wasn't terminated ... access was suspended.

But whatever ... your going with the insanity ... so be it.

[Uncle Joe]

72. Suspending the contract during the campaign has the same practical effect, that's why

the lawsuit is going forward.

[reACTIONary]

71. As a first response, before it was known what had and what was goung on....

..... it was an entirely reasonable thing to do.

[Uncle Joe]

76. They knew the firewall was only down for forty minutes.

They knew that Bernie's campaign had warned them of similar security problems in October.

They knew cutting off a candidate's campaign from its' own voter information would cripple if not kill it.

[reACTIONary]

96. As I said....

.... a reasonable precautionary response under the circumstances .

[Uncle Joe]

104. It wasn't reasonable nor precautionary

from a legal or political perspective.

[reACTIONary]

115. Sorry, I disagree. It was the right thing to do. eom

[Uncle Joe]

116. I'm sorry you disagree too, but Bernie had already fired the prime culprit on the 17th

the one recommended to his campaign by the DNC before Schultz worked to disenfranchise the millions of Bernie's supporters from their chosen candidate, thus serving to alienate them from the Democratic Party.

These voters would be greatly required in turnout whether it's Bernie or Hillary in the G.E. it was politically stupid if you want the Democrats to win in November but Schultz's track record isn't too strong in that regard either as she had already abandoned three Democratic Candidates in Florida to their Republican opponents because she was close friends to the latter.

[reACTIONary]

140. I'm glad you're sorry I'm sorry to disagree and...

.... I still disagree. It was the right thing to do under the circumstances .

[Renew Deal]

155. Not only are you correct, but you are supported by the experts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=951667

[Renew Deal]

154. Actually, it was the right thing to do according to the SANS Institute

A good example of containment is disconnecting affected systems by either disconnect the
affected system’s network cable or powering down switches and/or routers to entire portions of
the network to isolate compromised systems from those that have not been compromised.

https://www.sans.org/reading-room/whitepapers/incident/incident-handlers-handbook-33901

The SANS Institute (officially the Escal Institute of Advanced Technologies)[1] is a private U.S. for-profit company[2] that specializes in information security and cybersecurity training.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SANS_Institute

[reACTIONary]

159. Thanks ! Very informative ! ! eom

[Renew Deal]

151. They also knew that one campaign tried to exploit the firewall issue.

As soon as we realized that there was an issue, we immediately mobilized our engineers to investigate the source of the issue. While we investigated the issue, we restricted access to affected areas of the VAN product for all users and limited access to data exports. Engineers quickly discovered the problem, and developed a fix

"Our team removed access to the affected data, and determined that only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data to which it should not have had access."

http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

[LanternWaste]

163. Serious questions rarely qualified with "if"

"I ask this as a serious question..."

Serious questions rarely qualified with "if". You're thinking of hypothetical and irrelevant questions.

[Starry Messenger]

29. Off the rails.

[stonecutter357]

30. Goldwater set it up.

[cwydro]

33. This is sad.

I feel sorry for Bernie.

[Betty Karlson]

34. Every time you think the DNS/Clinton group cannot sink any deeper...

[seabeyond]

48. Again, blaming Clinton when Sander fucks up. Isn't he ever responsible for his behavior/what he says

[Number23]

75. Sanders supporters seem to be the main ones jumping up and down with the idea that this guy was a

"plant" and yet, they're also posting that Daily Kos link that says that this Yahoo! story is a fake.

So much chaos and confusion. It's absolutely ridiculous.

[seabeyond]

86. I keep waiting for the dust to settle, but Sanders and his people keep kicking the dust up into a

little dust devil. Can you imagine representing the U.S. in any delicate discussion, or dealing with issues, with this type of behavior?

From the start, day one, they should have made it a one day story and moved on. Instead they have created a monster. Attacking the Democratic party, going after money that regular citizens have put into our party, and causing havoc, thinking it actually makes them look good.

All the while, asking for our vote.

What moron in the campaign thinks this is a good idea to win Democratic votes, doing everything to harm the party and create chaos, all the while blaming everyone else for what they did?

[OilemFirchen]

134. Why is no one blaming Seth, the God of Chaos?

Isn't he the most likely culprit?

[JunkyardAngel83]

139. Mmm hmm.

It's just like how they contend that the Sanders campaign staffers did nothing wrong (some won't even admit that HFA campaign data was saved from the NGP VAN database), but they're all fired up about the Clinton campaign doing the same thing. They have no proof of this at all (that will be brought out in ~discovery~, you see!). They just know the Clinton campaign was doing wrong. But wait...I thought the Sanders campaign did nothing wrong? It's enough to make your head spin.

[Renew Deal]

156. This is a Sanders based conspiracy

Why is taking responsibility such a challenge for the Sanders crowd?

[Live and Learn]

36. The article is bull crap. Neither Sanders nor his campaign hinted at that. nt

[zalinda]

37. This is a rewrite of the Yahoo story with a different headline.

I truly thought Rawstory was better than this. He took this part of the Yahoo interview:

"“It’s not as if we conjured this guy Josh from thin air. This is an individual … who was recommended to us by the DNC and NGP VAN,” the adviser said.

According to the adviser, Uretsky provided references to the Sanders campaign campaign from the DNC’s National Data Director Andrew Brown, who works closely with the shared voter file program.

“Andrew Brown spoke to us and gave him a positive review, as did this guy Bryan Whitaker,” the adviser said, identifying Whitaker as the COO of technology group NGP VAN. Whitaker is no longer with the company, having taken a similar position with another group."

and conflated it to be that the Sanders campaign 'hinted' of a conspiracy. The campaign spokesperson was just stating facts. Give it a break people. We don't know what happened and until there is an investigation, we will never know.

But, I have to say Rawstory is now off my list of reliable news sources. What Tom Boggioni wrote was not journalism, it was more on par with the National Enquirer.

Z

[stupidicus]

54. well, Hillarians like the RS headline/insinuations better

since it would appear to dovetail with their obnoxious "tinfoil" allegations better.

[Renew Deal]

51. When do they officially take back the apology?

Since they didn't mean it anyway

[Scootaloo]

52. Awww, look at all the little Clinton supporters ignoring post #2

They're so cute, how they fly off the handle so quickly.

[stupidicus]

56. indeed, almost as quickly as their queen ducked the sniper fire

eom

[Duval]

55. K&R I am so glad for the investigation Sanders started. eom

[JunkyardAngel83]

58. Oh FFS.

[SoapBox]

61. The other article says, "The unnamed Sanders advisor spoke..."

Yes? No? Maybe?

When there is fact, then I'll look more closely.

[Dont call me Shirley]

62. KICK AND REC!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bread and Circus]

68. Did Uretsky et al really hack anything?

So far from what I have read this isnt a case of hacking.

Is it meritorious to use that word in regards to this?

[ViseGrip]

73. Hillary supporters 'poo poo' this, but the fact is he was recommended by the DNC. Not looking good.

DWS should be gone before the IA caucuses, if they want unity.

[drowefnp]

90. The Conspiracy Kool-Aid

The conspiracy Kool-Aid comes in many flavors, so I expect there are many who will drink it over the next 5 weeks. Instead on focusing on persuading voters in Iowa or NH on real issues they care about, some prefer to submerge themselves in these tales which are supposed to magically increase Bernie's support. (How?) After more than a week, I don't see any evidence that Bernie's support is dramatically increasing. There is no surge for Bernie from any of this crap.

This is insane and irrational behavior that some in the Sanders camp seem to have and I suspect the paranoia and vitriolic attacks on Hillary will increase if Sanders poll numbers remain stagnant or decline.
"
It's really crazy.. but as Obama once said... "PLEASE PROCEED". I have my popcorn ready.

[Nomadas]

88. Anonymous sources are cool

Recommended because I want what this anonymous source claimed to be true.
Please post more anonymously sourced stuff.

[Vattel]

94. I see no more evidence of a "hint" than a plant.

[artislife]

95. Who cares...the real story is:

that it isn't too far fetched to be believed. Thus underlying certain trust issues the public has with the h campaign and the DNC.

[NCTraveler]

97. Raw Story cares.

And it is so far out there that it is "too far fetched." Way too far.

[artislife]

99. No...it is not...the trust thing is real. nt

[NCTraveler]

100. Ok. The possibility exists that he is a plant.

[seabeyond]

107. See, if you are a Sanders supporter and hate Clinton, then one can believe a plant, and that really

is all that matters??????

Bah hahahaha.

[artislife]

109. You see if you are a h supporter, you cannot fathom how distrusted she is.

Is it true there was a plant?

Who knows. We need an independent audit from day one.

But what is known, is that there are many many people who don't trust her and wouldn't put it past the campaign. The new news is that the DNC is now under that shadow.

It makes beating her all that easier. It is an easy jump from feeling distrustful to full out not trusting.

And I must admit to loving this aspect.

[seabeyond]

111. Yes, Sanders, his staff and supporters are all beating that drum. Oh, and the repugs. Then 60% of

Democrats give her the thumbs up. That doesn't help you to get it?

[artislife]

124. No crossover...even in your statement. heh.

[Vattel]

98. I see no point in reprinting articles that are complete bullshit. But I guess you do.

[sabrina 1]

118. His campaign is not alone in hinting that the breach was done for nefarious reasons. Which is why

the lawsuit is so important. Under oath people have to tell the truth. So the sooner it gets under way the better.

[Nomadas]

129. Yes. His campaign is alone in claiming that

Who else is claiming it?

[sabrina 1]

137. 'Claiming' is the wrong word since there has not been an investigation yet nor has the lawsuit

gotten underway. But to answer your question, a whole lot of people are now pondering the possibility that this was a dirty trick. It doesn't look good for DWS who rushed to the media with her false allegations in violation of the DNC's contract with the campaigns. Almost as if she was waiting to do so.

You can't stop people from harboring their own perceptions of the entire incident. And they are and are saying so.


However a thorough Independent investigation OR the discovery phase of the lawsuit preferably, could put those suspicions to rest. Replacing DWS would go a long way to calming people down, not just because of this latest mess she has created, but because of her overall failure to properly represent our Party.

[bvar22]

138. Why would anyone else claim that?

Doesn't make sense.

[NCTraveler]

130. Thought seems to be all over the place on this one...

With respect to Sanders supporters. some are in full agreement while others are attacking the source itself. Time for another day of BernGate.

[BlueMTexpat]

132. It sounds as if there are competing memes here.

But the idea of a DNC "plant" in any Dem candidate's campaign is frankly wacko. Such an action would only serve to make Dem campaigns angry at each other. Why on earth would the DNC - or any Dem candidate - want to do something so counterproductive?

If anything, an RNC plant might be plausible. There is a LOT of tin-foilery happening w/r/t this situation. Some common sense please.

[Cha]

150. Trying to weasel out of taking responsibility.. we've seen this all too often. they hired him.

[brooklynite]

160. Denied by the Sanders campaign...

Michael Briggs, a Sanders spokesman, said the campaign "does not believe the theory" explored in the Yahoo.com story.

...snip...

"That's what Yahoo reported," Briggs said. "They didn't talk to me."

http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/news/politics&id=363608361

[LanternWaste]

162. Have we ruled out aliens yet?

Have we ruled out aliens yet?

[seabeyond]

164. HEY.... I haven't seen you in , .... Forever!!!

Good to see you still posting, though I have not been on Du a whole lot. More the last couple days then the last couple months.

I hope you were well away from the tornadoes. I got an extra day off with the blizzard.

Good seeing you.

Happy New Years.

[Gloria]

165. Dropping "hints" to fuel fundraising??

let me know when there are facts...