Someone here said "The economy isn't that bad!"

[sonofspy777]

Compared to what? Syria?



Sure sucks for most of US!

Jobs offshored, factories closed, H1B lunacy

stagnant wages, crushing debt, ridiculous rental prices

Do I really need to go on?

[Scootaloo]

1. The economy isn't that bad...

For the car elevator class.

[MeNMyVolt]

2. Hell yeah, compared to '08/'09.

If we had a Dem congress, it would be a lot better.

[Human101948]

3. What's your personal situation..is it that bad?

We should refrain from telling people how everything sucks and talk about how Dems can improve their situation--unless they happen to be in that one tenth of one percent.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

43. How is that your business?

1 in 5 Americans lives in or on the brink of poverty. Pretending everything is sunshine and rainbows while so many are going hungry or struggling to pay rent isn't what "dems" should be doing and quite frankly it's offensive to those who are struggling.

[PatrynXX]

45. not particularly good

ie it's so bad (depression is a disability , they canceled my school loans. course my credit is shot) which is like saying how's your depression. I'm never getting out of it stupid tea party

[sonofspy777]

53. I'm 62

Unemployed for over a year. Went to a good school. Noone will hire me even at $8/hr

Behind on rent and bills. Can't pay to fix my car. It's illegal to drive now.

Sorry, just got angry when someone still making it, acted as if things were fine, because

they themselves were OK. I have friends working 3 jobs and still not making it, and not sleeping nights

and I can't help myself let alone them.



Things are NOT fine.

Thanks for asking.

[840high]

62. I understand. I live check to check.

When the market crashed I lost my whole IRA. The economy is not good.

[StrongBad]

91. How did you lose your IRA? The market has fully recovered from 2008.

[Human101948]

66. Sorry about your situation...it is not fine

I believe that we should have guaranteed basic income for every citizen.

I know it seems like a pipe dream but that's what I believe.

[whathehell]

77. That just so sucks..

I'm a few years older than you and haven't even looked for a job for awhile,

although I recall my last couple attempts about ten years ago being looked askance

at by the 20 somethings in human resources.

Lucky for me, I've got a spouse making a nice salary, although he'll be retiring in a couple of years.

Why do you think you can't get a job, even a crappy $8 an hour one? -- Do you think it's

age discrimination?...A scarcity of jobs? I'm sensing it might be the former and it so pisses me off! Sixty two is NOT old!

Can I ask where you live?

I'm rooting for you, wherever it is, seriously.

[gwheezie]

4. Obama pulled us from the brink

He had no help from the GOP. I don't know what Hillary or Bernie will be able to do if we don't give them a dem Congress.

[tecelote]

13. +1!

Yes. Obama did the impossible, he reversed Bush's debacle.

[PeteSelman]

5. My industry is booming after five long years of depression.

Construction is going through the roof across the country. Feels like a pretty good economy to me right now after the horrors of 2009-2014.

[passiveporcupine]

24. So, stealing this from the post below yours

I guess having a Middle Class isn't all that important to the wealthy &
their mindless minions.

[PeteSelman]

52. I'm not sure what your point is.

One of the last vestiges of the middle class are the union trades. Once we go, it's all over.

[99th_Monkey]

6. I saw that too. Not sure this is the same one, but yah. Who knew?

I guess having a Middle Class isn't all that important to the wealthy &
their mindless minions.

[Wellstone ruled]

7. We can do more.

Austerity has to go,enough of the Bull Crap. Yes,some are okay,but they are the few,the many have been caring the load with zero growth in their financial needs. We need to do better. Remember this,the Rethugs have only one goal and that is a Fascist State with zero tolerance for decent.

[brooklynite]

8. I respect the fact that many people are struggling financially...

...but when you say MOST, I think you're going counter to reality.

The stores I visit aren't empty; neither are the restaurants (and no, I don't go to 4-star places). People are lining up to go to the movies. Cars, which are NOT all used clunkers, are filling the roads and the gas stations, and the airplane flights are full.

I'm not denying that things could be better, but I don't buy into the "peasants storming the castle" scenario that some people envision.

[ish of the hammer]

11. yeah and all the

poors have 60 in TV's!

[Jackilope]

19. Where I live, the place that serves meals to poor

Has expanded and now has two sites.

As a nation, in public schools we've got 51% of kids on free or reduced lunch.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/majority-of-us-public-school-students-are-in-poverty/2015/01/15/df7171d0-9ce9-11e4-a7ee-526210d665b4_story.html

John Edwards was not husband of the year, but he was spot on regarding the 2 Americas.

[tazkcmo]

26. Of course you don't. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. Doesn't phase him.

[brooklynite]

50. Because, of course, I only associate with other 1%ers?

If it makes you feel better to think so...

[kath]

63. Faze.

Just FYI.

[Tanuki]

102. Don't faze me, bro!

Sorry. Carry on.

[passiveporcupine]

69. Yes, people are spending

but with credit.

Our credit scores are horrible and most people don't even have $1000 in savings

Twenty-eight percent of Americans have nothing in their savings accounts and another 21 percent don't even have a savings account, according to a new survey from GOBankingRates.

The rate comparison website surveyed 5,000 people and found just 29 percent of them had $1,000 or more in savings account.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/06/nearly-half-of-americans-have-no-savings-survey.html

And this doesn't even mention how much they owe on mortgage/car/school/credit cards. People don't want to, nor know how to downsize as their situation gets worse every year.

[onecaliberal]

9. Yeah it's so damn good 20% of children and their family do not know where their

next meal will come from. But I guess if that's not you, it's not worth caring about.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

99. Is that a made up number, or do you have a source for it? N.T.

[cheapdate]

10. Our small engineering business is doing okay.

We're getting work from companies who are spending money on capital projects. We've hired 5 new people this year (our total number of people is around 30.)

Direct and indirect spending by the government on renewable and alternative energy technologies was extremely important to our company's recovery after the Great Recession (2007-2009.) We did major projects for Mitsubishi Chemical Ionic Solutions (lithium ion plant, Memphis, TN), Nissan North America (LEAF battery plant, Smryna, TN), Graftech (materials for PV cells, Columbia, TN), etc.

This year, we have new jobs with Tesla Motors (battery plant) and Cormetech, who makes impregnated ceramics used to reduce pollution in power plants.

The Democratic administration of Barack Obama did not reverse the long-term trends of the past 30 years; globalization, worsening distribution of the nation's wealth, etc. Barack Obama did not radically remake the capitalist economy of the United States. That was never his intention. But we're in better shape than we'd be without him.

[FSogol]

75. +1 n/t

[NoMoreRepugs]

12. am I incorrect in saying 85+% of all jobs "created"

since BHO took office have been in the private sector??
So is capitalism the culprit? just asking.....

[Zynx]

37. I think it's even higher than that. Government job creation has been basically nonexistent.

[MisterP]

14. hours that are too long or too short mean plusher stocks for the yuppie gentry

[TygrBright]

15. It could be a buttload worse.

Imagine if McCain had won in 2008. Or Der Mittster in 2012.

Could it be better?

Hell yeah, but to achieve that we'd need a Dem Congress with the fear of Revolution under their seat cushions.

However, I'm glad it's not the economy we'd have if the White House had gone to the GOP in either of the last two General Elections.

appreciatively,
Bright

[Mr.Bill]

30. If McCain had won in 2008

the only industry seeing an increase in business would be the company who makes body bags.

[Dont call me Shirley]

16. It's not easy for me and my family. We cannot afford any big stuff like new car or even major car

repairs, furnace/ac, kids braces, dental work, glasses, kids college, new sofa to replace our worn out one, replacement windows for our old leaky ones, retirement, large medical bills, and on and on and on. These are necessities.

I don't even think about extra things like a vacation to somewhere, massages, new rugs, a clothes shopping spree, a large screen tv, landscaping. I HATE Reaganomics, I HATE the "New Economy", I HATE the economic reality that so many of us live. Fuck the oligarchs and their fucking greedy psychopathic ways, fuck them all!!!!!!!!!

[canoeist52]

42. Right there with ya! Can't afford the necessities.

No recovery here. Every necessity has doubled in cost. Since these cost can't or won't be regulated, income needs to be raised to meet the cost. Tie minimum wage to the real cost of living.

[Dont call me Shirley]

46. Real cost of living must be valued on necessities, not cheap imported electronics and trinkety crap.

These are making cost of real living look like it's not rising. Since bush took, literally, office groceries, including cleaning supplies, toiletries and other necessities have tripled and not gone down. Water in my community has tripled.

[whathehell]

78. Good point..Thom Hartmann has pointed that out.

Necessary things like medical costs haven't gone down, although the Affordable Care Act has helped.

[Dont call me Shirley]

80. Thom is an excellent teacher.

[whathehell]

82. Isn't he great?

He's the best...I learn so much from him.

[Jackilope]

17. That was an eyebrow raising statement on a different thread.

Thank you sonofspy777 for addressing it.

2009 was awful when my husband was laid off. It took until this year for him to finally get back to a job he was trained for and salary is still under what it was in 2009. We feel extremely lucky. Many firms hire young interns instead. I can't even begin to imagine how many people laid off our age are scraping by and underemployed -- if even hired with ageism as an issue. Lots of places hire on "consultants" so they don't have to pay insurance, etc. one can look at the "temp"-ing of America at areas like adjunct instructors at colleges/universities.

Two men where I work were in skilled labor, but after being laid off and no options went into janitorial. If not keeping up with software and practices in the original profession, it is difficult to ever go back.

[SmittynMo]

18. The middle class

is all but gone. It's in the shitter big time. Yeah, more jobs were created over the past 7 years, but wages are down, and many, many people need 2-3 jobs just to keep up. No one is getting ahead anymore.

Wake up people. We are quickly becoming an oligarch society. Are you going to do something to change it? I am doing it on a daily basis, supporting the only person that gives a shit.

Does anyone need to buy a vowel here?

[padfun]

20. Things are OK for me and everyone I know.

But then, I do live in a Democratic state (California) and work for a socialist organization. (State of Calif)

Maybe the key is to live in a Democratic Socialist economy.

[brentspeak]

21. Even Pew, a globalism-loving think tank, admits the US middle class is disappearing

http://www.seattletimes.com/business/economy/the-incredible-shrinking-middle-class/

[mmonk]

22. The 1% are doing just fine and employment looks

good thanks to low paying jobs and part time employment. It's called lies, damn lies, and statistics.

[elmac]

36. Real unemployment at 10% +

Lots of low pay jobs where you are treated like dirt but I guess that is what we call success these days.

[JoePhilly]

23. Compared to 2007-2008.

But I get it.

Obama was supposed to clean up in 8 years, a mess 30+ years in the making.

[MohRokTah]

25. It's been a long time since the economy was this good.

The far left doesn't want people to realize that, though.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

40. Realize what?

This is by far the dumbest thread of the day, possibly the week.

[Dont call me Shirley]

47. Not for me, and my family. OMG, the economy is only good for the rich, mohroctah! The RW of the

Democratic Party does NOT GET that the economy has been shit and getting worse for the MAJORITY of Americans; is what the far left gets. While the RW rich dlc and gop don't want their Bacchanal extravaganza spoiled by facts of reality.

[whatthehey]

79. So you are positing that all DOL, BLS and GDP data

are seamless perfect conspiracies to lie to us, perpetrated by thousands upon thousands of individual government workers of all political persuasions?

Because that's what it woiuld have to be, since these sources show fairly steady improvement in jobs, wages, hours etc over the last 6 years to levels slightly above historical averages.

Bonus points if you can demonstrate the ability, rare in these parts, to distinguish between "improvement...slightly above historical averages", which I said, and "everything is perfect for every single individual, yea it is a veritable land of milk and honey", which I didn't, but is often the assumed only alternative to DU doomer everybody other than the 1% is in the shitter opinions.

[Dont call me Shirley]

81. "The top 1% have gotten all the income gains from the recovery"

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/01/28/3616308/income-inequality-2013/

"Between 2009-2012, according to updated data from Emmanuel Saez, overall income per family grew 6.9 percent. The gains weren’t shared evenly, however. The top 1 percent saw their real income grow by 34.7 percent while the bottom 99 percent only saw a 0.8 percent gain, meaning that the 1 percent captured 91 percent of all real income.
Adjusting for inflation and excluding anything made from capital gains investments like stocks, however, shows that even that small gains for all but the richest disappears. According to Justin Wolfers, adjusted average income for the 1 percent without capital gains rose from $871,100 to $968,000 in that time period. For everyone else, average income actually fell from $44,000 to $43,900. Calculated this way, the 1 percent has captured all of the income gains.
Saez’s new data show that income for the 1 percent did actually decrease somewhat in 2013 as compared to 2012: its share of income fell from 22.8 percent to 20.1 percent. And total income dropped 14.9 percent while income for the bottom 99 percent of earners saw a very small 0.2 percent increase — nearly stagnant. Yet the 1 percent’s drop is not likely due to misfortune, but to taxes. In 2013, there were increases of about 6.5 percentage points in the top labor income tax rate and 9.5 percentage points for capital income, so the richest likely shifted their money around to avoid paying more. That would inflate their 2012 income figures and depress the 2013 ones, but they will likely rebound this year. And even so, the top 1 percent still got 20 percent of income in 2013, “more than twice as high as in the 1970s,” Saez notes.
While economic downturns like the financial crisis usually hurt the rich, that hit is temporary and income inequality roars back “unless drastic regulation and tax policy changes are implemented,” he writes. After the Great Depression, New Deal policies did just that and suppressed the growth of income inequality. But recent crises have looked different. The top 1 percent got 65 percent of income gains following the 2001 recession, for example. The richest 10 percent of earners have captured increasingly larger shares of income during growth expansions, even if they take a larger hit during contractions."

[whatthehey]

88. what does that have to do with median data?

[laundry_queen]

94. median is not average

and average data is unreliable these days.

I'd enjoy some links. I think a lot of the skewed averages are coming from particular 'classes' and industries that don't reflect reality for most people. I know several people who work for such industries. There is a large chasm between those companies and your average MBA run company in, say, a retail or a service company.

[whatthehey]

100. whic his why the BLS et al USE MEDIAN DATA

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpswktabs.htm

[laundry_queen]

103. Duh I know they do

I was responding to the use of both terms in the posts in this thread. BTW, the median does not always show the whole picture either. Anyway, my post was also referring to other immeasurables than just wages - benefits, job security, time off, work environment etc. There is a large gap in those additional 'extras' that is also not being talked about.

[laundry_queen]

93. Nice try

but some of us do have memories.

[appalachiablue]

27. A major news report broke just last week that half of Americans have no savings and

60% would not be able to afford a major cost like a brake job for their car. Hello?

http://www.alternet.org/economy/half-america-or-damn-near-close-living-poverty

[Art_from_Ark]

89. Sounds like a booming economy to me

[laundry_queen]

95. I totally fucking believe it. Had to do that a few months ago.

JFC. $980 for the total overhaul, rotors, brake pads, etc. I cried. I couldn't afford it then (single parent here) but what choice do I have with a 45 minute commute?? Still paying it off on my credit card. Which I'm lucky to have but could get me in trouble if ANYTHING comes up in the near future. I'm not an American, but Canadian and while we were doing marginally better for awhile, now we are having our little recession thanks to Harper's mismanagement of the economy. Food prices have gone up 50-60% in the last 5 years where I live. And we never had cheap food like in the US to begin with. Now our dollar is on the slide, and food is skyrocketing again because of it. And I have 4 kids. 2 teens with #3 turning 13 in April. Anyway, our country is in the same boat, and we haven't even had our housing bubble burst yet. Should be a fun few years for me.

[MeNMyVolt]

28. A post and run.

Color me surprised,

[sonofspy777]

51. I haven't run anywhere.

Color you mistaken.

[Krytan11c]

70. lol

go you!

[MeNMyVolt]

83. Uh, yeah. Look at your thread.

Lot's of folks disagreed with you. You did nothing but kick those who agreed (all of two times). I've seen this behavior time and time again.

Hey, you're over 100, let her rip!

[DanTex]

29. That person was right.

It's much better than it was 5 years ago. We've also dealt with the Great Recession much better that most of Europe.

This isn't to say that there aren't a lot of things that need to be fixed. But, no, it's not that bad at present.

[CSStrowbridge]

31. Someone here said "The economy isn't that bad!" Compared to what? Syria?

"Someone here said 'The economy isn't that bad!' Compared to what? Syria?"

No, compared to historical norms.

As just one piece of evidence...

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/obama-the-job-killer/?module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Opinion&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs&region=Body

[Betty Karlson]

33. Then someone here is tone-deaf and out-of-touch.

Much like their candidate, if I may add so.

[LonePirate]

34. Yet another post that seems like it was lifted directly from FR.

It is becoming more and more difficult to tell the difference between the two sites anymore.

[elmac]

35. Lots of high turnover, low wage jobs out there

mostly through temp agencies. Economy never will recover to where it used to be, this is the new norm and the new norm sucks.

[humbled_opinion]

38. Were they smoking crack when they said it? n/t

[Fumesucker]

90. Probably going for a refreshing dip in their Money Bin..

[draa]

39. Bah, only poors think the economy sucks. It's clearly all in their heads.

Or maybe not.

More U.S. Children Are Living In Poverty Than During The Great Recession

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/21/children-poverty-great-recession_n_7841576.html

Also.

More than 16 million children in the United States – 22% of all children – live in families with incomes below the federal poverty level – $23,550 a year for a family of four. Research shows that, on average, families need an income of about twice that level to cover basic expenses. Using this standard, 45% of children live in low-income families.

http://www.nccp.org/topics/childpoverty.html

I don't care what Obama has done this is a complete failure. The top 1% has seen their income rise and the poorest have borne the brunt. This is also what Neo policies bring. They praise the rich and screw the poor. People should stop supporting those pricks.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

41. You're obviously a far left disinformation agent.

Those impoverished children don't know how good they have it!

[draa]

44. Years ago I tried to get my kids to buy into that.

They just kicked me in the nuts and said get a job.

[davidpdx]

48. I saw that as well and called the person on it

Anyone who doesn't think the middle class are hurting is part of the problem (hence you'll see the 1% come out and say that loudly). Since the beginning of the Reagan Administration the middle and lower class has been milked at the expense of the 1%.

I believe things have gotten better since President Obama took over, but he had a huge whole to dig us out of and can only do so much. After 8 years of disastrous policies and two wars, I believe it will take DECADES to reverse some of the worst policies. The 1% are living high at the expense of the 99% and there needs to be something done to level the playing field. Anyone who doesn't believe that is part of the problem.

As I have said in other posts, go to Robert Reich's Facebook page and start to listen to what he is saying. This is EXACTLY why we need a progressive agenda on the ballot from 2016 forward.

Oh and before I forget, welcome to DU!

[sonofspy777]

54. Thanks for posting this

Actually I originally joined in 2000 but was so angry at the election being stolen I was banned...

[PowerToThePeople]

59. Uh

I don't think that is correct.

[treestar]

73. That's just nuts

Middle class people are not hurting. Geez poor people are.

[bvar22]

74. Hillary's Middle Class is not hurting.

She believes they make over $100K/year.
The REAL Middle Class is circling the drain.

[davidpdx]

84. You are in denial

Some of the middle class is hurting and they continue to be hurt by paying more in taxes than the rich. Income over the last 35 years has not risen to match inflation. The middle class for the most part can't afford to help their children go to college, which is why the student loan bubble is around $2 billion. It is BOTH the poor and middle class that are hurting.

[deutsey]

104. I come from a poor background and am struggling to hang on in the middle class

I agree: people who are poor and who are in the shrinking middle class are hurting.

[Hiraeth]

49. could someone please shoot me the link of this quote. I have a theory that I need to confirm or deny

Thanks in advance.

[WillyT]

55. Go Here:

The challenge is how to organize those who have suffered in the harsh new economy into a viable political force. In the 1930s and the succeeding decades many of those facing hardship could benefit from the support and solidarity of big labor unions and the Democrats’ big-city political machines. In our own times these networks are largely gone. Those being laid off, downsized, reengineered, or outsourced today are, in comparison with their grandparents and great-grandparents, far more likely to find themselves isolated and alone, especially those from middle-income families, who may be facing a drastic and very visible loss of class identity.

It is here that the third and perhaps least understood strand of Sanders’s radicalism comes into play: his ability to organize a previously unrecognized constituency—one that embraces the shrinking middle class, both white- and blue-collar, the working and non-working poor, as well as young, first-time voters with large student-loan debts. One thing that comes over strongly in interviews of those attending Sanders rallies is their sense that they are no longer alone, that they’re joining with thousands who are in much the same predicament as they are, and that together they can change things for the better.

From: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251948693

[SheilaT]

56. Reading this site leaves the impression

that 90% of people in this country are unemployed or underemployed, and no one has been hired for anything in years. Yeah, things could be better but it's not actually true that half of this country is at or below the poverty line.

Getting a job does depend tremendously on just what sort of work you are looking for, but there is a fair amount of employment at the entry level, and as much as that can suck, at least it's an income.

Plus, older people really do get hired. Well, maybe I am literally the only person over the age of 60 in this country to get hired, but somehow I don't think that's quite accurate. Yeah, things could be a whole lot better, and among the reasons I'm planning to vote for Bernie is that I do believe he will do all possible to improve things for the 99%, and see to it that the 1% really does pay their fair share.

[PowerToThePeople]

57. It is getting worse

Companies are still outsourcing good US jobs. Nothing but the quarterly report matters.

TPP will be the final death blow to the non-ownership classes economically.

[Flying Squirrel]

58. Apparently it's all better in Washington State

They have a list of people on food assistance that they consider to be "able-bodied", and those people will now have to jump through some job-search and training hoops to get food assistance starting next month thanks to the miraculous recovery.

[BlueCheese]

60. It's much better than it was in 2008.

The country is doing so much better now than it was then. Of course we have a lot more work to do. But we've made a ton of progress and the trajectory is positive.

[laundry_queen]

96. 2008 should not be our measuring stick.

Jesus, the whole world almost imploded at the time. "Well, at least it's not 2008!" should never be a Dem campaign slogan of any kind. Nor should "Hey, we're not as bad as a Republican!" Let's benchmark against what works, instead of against what doesn't.

[uponit7771]

61. Soooooo when has 5% UE rate after a middle class depression been bad a thing? tia

[winter is coming]

85. When the erstwhile middle class is living in poverty. n/t

[uponit7771]

87. Link and quote? tia

[slipslidingaway]

64. It really depends where you are in life and whether or not you escasped major medical expenses ...

and if your parents paid for college ad how much debt you carry. There are several factors that influence our economic outlook, we are not all in the same stage. Are you young with minimum debt and increasing wages or older and on the downward slope?

The economy has generally improved, but it has not improved for us, guess we are in that downward slope. Thought we did things right, fortunate to have saved and paid for college, but an unexpected illness has wreaked havoc. Hard to plan for such unexpected medical costs and loss of income.

We know some boomers who are suffering and others who are doing OK, hard to put a definite grasp on the situation. But we can look at the numbers, the middle class is shrinking, and that is not a good thing for our country as a whole.

[senz]

65. Democrats strive for a fair and compassionate society.

Even when we're reasonably comfortable ourselves, we want America to work well for all of its people.

Republicans care only about is getting theirs and to hell with everyone else.

Thank you for a pertinent OP, sonofspy777. Anyone who criticizes you for it might feel more at home in a "Republican Underground."

[raouldukelives]

67. The worst thing about our "economy" is that it makes things worse.

Specifically, my own personal space. I am unattached to Wall St, and yet, it has taken my rainfall, it has taken my local flora and fauna and it is taking my chance at a future, all without my assistance or my input.

If they would leave me alone, that would be one thing. But to just come in and take it all for themselves without nary a thank you?

Some choose to be an anchor around all of our necks, forever, and some choose to work for themselves.

[MadDAsHell]

68. It's worth the lie, because making a Democratic President look good is the ONLY objective. nt

[hobbit709]

71. If you're a 1%er or one of their minions, maybe.

[treestar]

72. WTF?

look at the unemployment rate. The stock market. The metrics most people use. Good grief. Willful blindness in order to be as gloomy as possible.

[FSogol]

76. There are Eeyores among us.

[winter is coming]

86. Those metrics don't pay bills.

The stock market and the unemployment rate are no longer good indicators of how many people are living at or below the poverty line.

Talk about willful blindness.

[laundry_queen]

97. +1 nt

[Juicy_Bellows]

98. + a bunch.

I got mines what's yer problem?

[WillyT]

92. Ah... The Main Problem With The "Modern" Democratic Party...

NeoLiberalism.