If You Don't Support Bernie You Support Corporate Control Of Government

[Yallow]

I have a lot of respect for Mrs. Clinton. Unfortunately for her there is only one candidate running for president who has taken no prisoners in the war for working Americans. We can't keep giving the plutocrats a loaf of bread every time, and be expected to live off the crumbs falling from their spittle.

They take, we pay. We serve, they profit. We die, they reap. That's been the name of the game for far too long.

Bernie, with our help will change that.

Hillary, not so much.... She owes the plutocrats for helping her raise $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. She will also need their $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for her re-election if she is nominated. No way she will make a dent in their obscene profits. If you don't believe this, you need to see a doctor.

Don't be a fool.

It's not about Bernie. It's about -US- taking back control of our country from the billionaires who would kill a million children for a penny a share, and regularly do.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/04/27/how-goldman-sachs-created-the-food-crisis/

Goldman Sachs, Hillary's best buddies, are possibly the biggest pieces of human feces to ever walk the earth. Believe me she will be working for them (continuing to) and not us.

[RandySF]

1. No

[elleng]

2. No.

Holding Wall Street Accountable
https://14d2r744okfe40r1ug1oqm6y-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/OMalley-Wall-Street-Reform.pdf

Campaign Finance Reform (Restoring our American Democracy)
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/restoring-our-american-democracy/

[Yallow]

3. From The Link Wheat From $4 to $25 Per Bushel = Starvation For Millions And $$$ For GS!!!!

"Hard red spring wheat, which usually trades in the $4 to $6 dollar range per 60-pound bushel, broke all previous records as the futures contract climbed into the teens and kept on going until it topped $25. And so, from 2005 to 2008, the worldwide price of food rose 80 percent — and has kept rising. "It’s unprecedented how much investment capital we’ve seen in commodity markets," Kendell Keith, president of the National Grain and Feed Association, told me. "There’s no question there’s been speculation."

[RandySF]

8. Is there a link?

[Yallow]

9. Thought I Included Link - I Usually Do

http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/04/27/how-goldman-sachs-created-the-food-crisis/

[RandySF]

14. 2011?

It requires a subscription but it makes sense if the article goes back that far. Commodities are much lower these days.

[Yallow]

15. They Are Still Dead - How Goldman Sachs Gambled On Starving the Poor - And Won

Do you understand the concept of counting corpses?

How Goldman Sachs Gambled On Starving the Poor - And Won

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/how-goldman-sachs-gambled_b_633436.html

Got more links......

[Scuba]

26. BAM!!

[murielm99]

22. Thank you for pointing that out.

We farm. We know how much lower the prices are right now.

We actually made some money four or five years ago.

[Yallow]

11. Better Link - Nastier Article - Same Murder For Profit Scenario

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/tag/giant-bank

Goldman Sachs would kill you, your family, and all you know, if they could make a buck off it.

There is no way they could ever be prosecuted.

They are banksters!

[Divernan]

24. HRC's hedge fund owning son-in-law is proud Goldman-Sachs alum!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-11-29/former-goldman-traders-grau-mallon-are-said-to-start-fund-with-mezvinsky

Mezvinsky is a Stanford alumnus who has worked as an investment banker at Goldman Sachs and at the hedge fun G3 Capital. He’s also the co-founder of the hedge fund Eaglevale Partners. After leaving G3 Capital, he set out to start his own hedge fund.

Marc’s father, Edward Mezvinsky, is a former two-term Iowa congressman. His father had also plead guilty to cheating dozens of investors out of $10 million in 2002, spending 5 years in prison until 2008 for fraud.

Mezvinsky, the father of Chelsea’s husband, Marc, served five years in federal prison after pilfering $10 million from investors. He was released in April 2008, but he’s currently accused of being in violation of his plea agreement — because he hasn’t paid back his victims!

“It’s a little irritating that he brags about his son’s ($10.5 million) apartment when his son should loan him the money to pay back his debt!” one angry victim, Dr. Jason Theodosakis, told The ENQUIRER. “He could borrow [the restitution] from his son’s in-laws [Bill and Hillary]!”

Dr. Theodosakis, co-author of the best-seller The Arthritis Cure, hired Mezvinsky to handle a contract negotiation, but he ended up draining him of more than $600,000, according to court documents.

Another victim, financial consultant Joseph Klieber, says he lost $157,000 to Mezvinsky, and was shocked by how he was repaid — a “nice handwritten letter” from Mezvinsky saying he was sorry.

Mezvinsky, now 77, pled guilty to 31 counts of bank, mail and wire fraud in 2003 after using his friendship with the Clintons to win over his victims.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/11/chelsea-clinton-father-in-law-mark-mezvinsky-restitution/

[onehandle]

4. The unraveling begins. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

20. A glimpse of what we can expect over the next few months.

Buckle up...it's gonna be a bumpy ride!

[Yallow]

5. $400,000 From Goldman Sachs For 2 Speeches - I Am Sure They Were About Reining Them In!

"Hillary Clinton spoke at two separate Goldman Sachs events on the evenings of Thursday, October 24 and Tuesday, October 29. As both Politico and the New York Times report, Clinton’s fee is about $200,000 per speech, meaning she likely netted around $400,000 for her paid gigs at Goldman over the course of six days.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/362637/hillary-clintons-lucrative-goldman-sachs-speaking-gigs-alec-torres

[Ned_Devine]

6. "Cut it out"

[Betty Karlson]

7. Martin O'Malley is a solid choice too.

There is only one Democratic candidate who cannot be trusted with Wall Street.

[ViseGrip]

10. This is spot on

[elleng]

13. Yes he is.

Campaign Finance Reform (Restoring our American Democracy)
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/restoring-our-american-democracy/

Holding Wall Street Accountable
https://14d2r744okfe40r1ug1oqm6y-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/OMalley-Wall-Street-Reform.pdf

[demwing]

30. Not every Bernie supporter agrees with the OP's framing

Many have great respect for O'Malley

[elleng]

62. Thanks. I hope so.

[TheFarseer]

53. I like O'Malley a lot too

If he were polling close to the top and Bernie was in single digits, I would be supporting him.

[Betty Karlson]

69. It's the same with me. My support for Sanders over O'Malley has much to do with strategic

considerations, and very little with policy / platform differences.

[demwing]

31. Agreed

brothers in arms

[PowerToThePeople]

12. Sometimes

stating what should be completely obvious gets under the skin of the "see no evil, hear no evil" crew.

[ucrdem]

16. In 2003, Rep. Sanders voted to protect "lawful commerce in arms":

https://votesmart.org/bill/3157/8217/27110/protection-of-lawful-commerce-in-arms-act#.VYZ77ra1qSo

How is this not an example of corporate control of government?

[MohRokTah]

17. I don't support Sanders because I WON'T support government control...

Of the means of production.

[PowerToThePeople]

18. don't think that one can leave the ground.

[MohRokTah]

37. So many people are completely ignorant of the definition of Socialism. eom

[Yallow]

41. You Appear To Be Completely Ignorant Of Bernie Sanders

You are into labels, not actual policies, statements, and actions.

Bernie's platform, laid out bare and in full sight is far better than our current gravy train for the top .01% government.

[Yallow]

21. This Isn't Cuba Moh

I would take a government where the people have a say over a corporate controlled lootocrisy any day.

BTW, no one is gonna nationalize "means of production" except for bailing out the banks again, and again, and again if Bernie is not elected.

That dog won't hunt....

[beam me up scottie]

25. "This Isn't Cuba Moh" LMAO!

Perfect.

[MohRokTah]

38. Socialism is, BY DEFINITION, government control of the means of production.

So long as a candidate embraces the term, that's what people hear.

I'll take corporate control of government over government control of production as the lesser of the two evils.

[Yallow]

42. Labels, Labels, Labels

Calling Bernia "a socialist" must mean a huge percentage of Americans agree with every single one of his policies.

Call it what you want. Bernie calls his positions Democratic Socialist.

I look at the man, not the label, placed by the folks working for the .01%.

[restorefreedom]

50. this has been debunked about a million times

sanders is NOT for govt control of the means and everyone here knows it.

[Maedhros]

19. Supporting Hillary means that, intentionally or not, one is supporting her financial donors.

There is no way around that cold, hard fact.

[uponit7771]

23. O Malley is a sell out too?!?! Is everyone a sell out to SBS crew?! tia

[demwing]

29. This thread does not represent this Sanders supporter

and I can guess there are other Sander's supporters who will share my concern.

[Scuba]

27. Great post Yallow. So may truths. "They take, we pay. We serve, they profit. We die, they reap .."

"They take, we pay. We serve, they profit. We die, they reap. That's been the name of the game for far too long. "



I, for one, have had enough of this shit.

[demwing]

32. Many truths, but one great fallacy

the OP ignores O'Malley. I encourage all Bernie supporters to urge Yallow to reframe the post.

[Scuba]

33. O'Malley talks a good game, but his Third Way history turns me off. He reminds me of Obama...

All progressive on the campaign trail, but will he turn into a Wall Street shill if elected? I don't know.





I do know that Bernie is authentic.

[demwing]

48. You know, I take it back

Inthought O'Malley was a decent guy, but the smear against Bernie regarding the # of debates revealed his true colors.

I'll get over O'Malley really quick, but the fact that Dean joined in the deception hurts.

[OilemFirchen]

49. Wow! That was fast!

Bet you can do wheelies too!

[demwing]

28. My apologies...I'm done defending O'Malley

To hell with everything.

[Dem2]

34. False choice

Not a good argument.

[NurseJackie]

35. +1

[wildeyed]

60. So bad.

+1

[Nitram]

36. BS

[Blue_Adept]

39. I also like champagne, so I'm part of the 1%

even though I make poverty level wages.

It's so confusing to be a liberal these days.

[Squinch]

40. If Hillary wins the primary, and you don't support Hillary in the general, you support Donald Trump.

[Yallow]

45. Of Course Hillary Will Have My Support - I Like Hillary

I just don't think Hillary will work her fingers to the bone to give the "less powerful" a chance to succeed, like Bernie will do with our help.

Obama ran on change, then told his millions of followers "I got this now" and let all the Wall Street Scum off the hook.

I am disappointed, but I am not angry at Obama. To prosecute all the pigs on Wall Street he would have had opposition/all our war from 50 trillion in organized wealth, 100% of the Republicans, and 90% of the Democrats.

I have explained my "supporting" of Hillary

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251941913

[Douglas Carpenter]

43. well, I wouldn't go that far. I support Sen. Sanders 100% for the

Presidency. But many Hillary supporters feel she is the best we can do for now. I think they are mistaken - But it is a bit more complicated than an either or situation. By that thinking - we should all be actively trying to overthrow the system by any means necessary or else you support the corporations against the people. Reasonable people all agree there is a point where we have to compromise. Bernie is the "envelope pushing candidate." But even the election of Bernie Sanders with a sympathetic Congress is not going to in itself bring in the workers' commonwealth. That's going to take a lot more than that. Corporations still have a lot of say in the government even in the most advanced social democracies.

[Yallow]

46. "best we can do for now" - Bull

Why settle for the same old same old?

We can do better.

Bernie.

And all of us, taking no prisoners.

[Tipperary]

44. I disagree.

[blue neen]

47. Do not presume to tell me what I support.

.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

51. Well this here is a board for discussing politics.

This includes characterizations of politicians that may make you feel uncomfortable. So the OP can decide what he wants to say about Hillary Clinton. You're left to agree or to disagree, but not to prevent another poster from stating an opinion.

[blue neen]

54. I realize that "this here is a board for discussing politics".

The OP, however, is not just stating his opinion. He made a bold statement telling others what specific policies they do or do not support based on their support of a political candidate. He is most certainly entitled to say what he thinks about Hillary Clinton or any candidate. He does not, though, have the freedom to tell me what I think or what I support, because he doesn't know that. And neither do you.

Thank you.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

55. He doesn't have the freedom to tell you what you think or support? He just did.

That's my whole point. You don't have to agree with the OP, but he said what he said, and nothing you have or will say can put that genie back in the bottle.

[blue neen]

56. In the literal interpretation of the word, you are correct.

And I have the freedom to tell him that he's wrong.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

57. Right. You could say we're all DISCUSSING these topics.

I wish you a good new year.

[blue neen]

58. Blatantly telling other people what their opinions are is not discussion.

Good New Year to you, too.

[emulatorloo]

52. "If you don't buy this magazine, We'll this dog"

in a silly mood tonight, thread title reminded me of this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Lampoon_(magazine)

[wildeyed]

59. If you don't support Bernie

we will all choke on plutocrat spittle and crumbs and then DIE and it will be all Hillary Clintons fault because oligarchs who are drunk on the tears and suffering of little children are her best buds and also feces!!!!!!

It's not about Bernie. It's about US murdering the English language with fact-free diatribes on the interwebs!!!! If you don't believe this, you need to see a doctor.

[Yallow]

63. Fact Free Diatribe? Really?

Do you even know what the (Koch Founded) DLC is? Third Way? Goldman Sachs?

How many links to you need.

lmgtfy.com that should do it.

Do you know how to click on a link.

Every single thing I type I can back up with links.

Period.

Fact free diatribe my ass.

Look at Ed Schultz's Vulture Chart.

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/tag/vulture-chart/

Now tell me I am lying about crumbs when the 1% get all the loot.

[wildeyed]

65. OMG!

Someone on the interwebs said it and I typed it so it must be a true fact! How much more proof could anyone need? How many empty rhetorical questions can I type? I think two should do it. Wait, that wasn't proof, I just answered my own question.

Period.

[Yallow]

66. Too Important To Click On A Link Or Do A Google Search?

Not my fault.

[Yallow]

67. Here -> Facts Below

DLC = Goole That === "And for $25,000, 28 giant companies found their way onto the DLC’s executive council, including Aetna, AT&T;, American Airlines, AIG, BellSouth, Chevron, DuPont, Enron, IBM, Merck and Company, Microsoft, Philip Morris, Texaco, and Verizon Communications. Few, if any, of these corporations would be seen as leaning Democratic, of course, but here and there are some real surprises. One member of the DLC’s executive council is none other than Koch Industries, the privately held, Kansas-based oil company whose namesake family members are avatars of the far right, having helped to found archconservative institutions like the Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy. Not only that, but two Koch executives, Richard Fink and Robert P. Hall III, are listed as members of the board of trustees and the event committee, respectively–meaning that they gave significantly more than $25,000"

http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html

Click Away.

I know you won't.

Insulting me is much more fun right?

[wildeyed]

68. Still don't understand that rhetorical questions are not a

valid form of debate? Totally Not My Fault. I tried to teach you.

Period.

[postatomic]

61. Dystopian fiction

Anger and Fear are easy emotions to tickle.

[Yallow]

64. With Bernie The Poor, and Working Americans Have A Chance

Hillary will put Goldman Sachs and their buddies in charge.

Just like Obama did.

Every Single Banker Got Off Scot Free.

Period.

A half dozen Democrats demanded they be held accountable, and the rest, and all the Republicans pretended the banksters did nothing wrong.

The problem isn't Democrats, or Obama. It is the completely corrupt, rigged system where the wealthy and powerful get everything they want every single time, and never have to pay the piper. Ever.

Our screwed up system only Bernie will work tirelessly to change, on our behalf.