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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:30 PM Dec 2015

Bernie Sanders: Audit The Department Of Defense - RCP

Bernie Sanders: Audit The Department Of Defense, Contractors Wasting Money While Soldiers Are On Food Stamps
RCP
Posted on December 29, 2015

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At an event Monday night in Storm Lake, Iowa, Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that, "when we talk about making government more cost effective, it doesn't simply mean cutting Medicaid and food stamps."

"What it does mean is taking a hard look at an agency which recieves $600 billion per year where there is an immense amount of waste and fraud," Sanders said. "We have massive cost overruns with defense contractors, we've got deployment after deployment for our soldiers, and we've got military families on food stamps."

BERNIE SANDERS: The day before 9/11 -- September 10, 2001, this guy that I have nothing to do with, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, he gave a speech and he said that there are trillions of dollars in the Dept. of Defense that we can't account for.

That was Rumsfeld the day before 9/11 -- the speech never got a lot of attention.

The Department of Defense is the only agency of government, to my knowledge, that cannot sustain an independent audit.

You go to them and ask how many private contractors we have. Well, they really don't know. It;s so complicated, a huge comlicated system.

I believe when we talk about making government more cost effective, it doesn't simply mean cutting Medicaid and food stamps.

What it does mean is...


Link: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/12/29/bernie_sanders_audit_the_department_of_defense.html


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Bernie Sanders: Audit The Department Of Defense - RCP (Original Post) WillyT Dec 2015 OP
Much needed. cali Dec 2015 #1
All enlisted get a food allowance in the military from E-1 to E-9 yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #28
A major politician bringing up Rummy's speech prior to 9/11!?! Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #2
If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ... Scuba Dec 2015 #3
Most Excellent Point !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #4
FREEDOM! Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #5
The freedom to be ignorant, sick and destitute. Sweet. Scuba Dec 2015 #7
Perhaps you worded your query wrong to get the correct answer. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #15
It's a rhetorical question. The correct answer is "corporate profits." Scuba Dec 2015 #18
I had no doubts you already knew the real reason. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2015 #19
Former Pentagon auditor Chuck Spinney estimates Qutzupalotl Dec 2015 #6
A public audit of the DoD is completely absurd. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #8
Except that an audit of the DoD has been gearing up for years. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #9
He's calling for an independent audit, not a public audit. lovemydog Dec 2015 #10
Nobody said "Public Audit" except you. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #11
Fourteen years later he's speaking about this? He's been a Congressman and Senator for 25+ years... George II Dec 2015 #12
Look it up. This is something he's been calling for for many years. cali Dec 2015 #16
So when would be the correct time to start? If one of the Clintons say it's time? n/t A Simple Game Dec 2015 #17
Perhaps a decade or so ago? George II Dec 2015 #20
Do you know how long a decade is? Do you know when Hillary was a Senator? A Simple Game Dec 2015 #21
What does being a conscientious objector have to do with and audit of the Department of Defense? George II Dec 2015 #22
I know he wasn't a conscientious objector, I was being generous, I also A Simple Game Dec 2015 #23
Not the point or topic of discussion. George II Dec 2015 #24
An audit of the Pentagon is not the subject of discussion in a thread A Simple Game Dec 2015 #25
Really ??? WillyT Dec 2015 #26
We've been waiting for this. Lack of meaningful oversight and lack of audit + no-bid contracts JudyM Dec 2015 #13
A massive yes to this! RichVRichV Dec 2015 #14
Like when taxpayers bought $500m worth of aircraft that was sold directly to scrap. pa28 Dec 2015 #27
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
28. All enlisted get a food allowance in the military from E-1 to E-9
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:10 PM
Dec 2015

This has been going on forever. It's around 300 dollars a month. Not sure why suddenly it being talked about when it is part of the overall pay and allowances of all military people.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
2. A major politician bringing up Rummy's speech prior to 9/11!?!
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:08 PM
Dec 2015

I might have to eat my hat!

Go Bernie!

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
3. If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ...
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:11 PM
Dec 2015

... just what is it the defense budget is defending.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
15. Perhaps you worded your query wrong to get the correct answer.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:54 PM
Dec 2015

To get the correct answer maybe it should be who instead of what.

And never forget my friend, corporations are people.

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
6. Former Pentagon auditor Chuck Spinney estimates
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:23 PM
Dec 2015

there are between $1 trillion and $2 trillion in potential savings to be had from a Pentagon audit. (He said this on Bill Moyer's NOW on PBS in 2003. There are probably similar figures now.) We have audited the Pentagon in the past, but not since the mid-70's, IIRC.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
8. A public audit of the DoD is completely absurd.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:27 PM
Dec 2015

Classified information would have to be revealed to do so, so it will never happen.

So we have another ridiculous pie in the sky policy proposal from the Great and Powerful Oz.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
9. Except that an audit of the DoD has been gearing up for years.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:54 PM
Dec 2015

I was listening to NPR the other night, and they were talking about a couple of practice audits that had already taken place. It's just a matter of time.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
10. He's calling for an independent audit, not a public audit.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:25 PM
Dec 2015

It can be done without publicly revealing classified information.

George II

(67,782 posts)
12. Fourteen years later he's speaking about this? He's been a Congressman and Senator for 25+ years...
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:25 PM
Dec 2015

....what has he done about this before last night?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. Look it up. This is something he's been calling for for many years.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:56 PM
Dec 2015

You just love to make off the top of your head accusations in the hopes that what you're flinging will stick

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
21. Do you know how long a decade is? Do you know when Hillary was a Senator?
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:38 PM
Dec 2015

Or how about back when Bill was President? Very little military activity other than Kosovo back when Bill was the Conscientious Objector President so it would have been a good time to bring back the practice.

Maybe you can fill me in on this, I honestly don't know, was Bill the first Conscientious Objector President.

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. What does being a conscientious objector have to do with and audit of the Department of Defense?
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:46 PM
Dec 2015

And Bill Clinton was NOT a conscientious objector.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
23. I know he wasn't a conscientious objector, I was being generous, I also
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 07:55 PM
Dec 2015

making a comment on Hillary supporters slamming of Bernie.

I also knew you wouldn't answer the questions about why Hillary and Bill didn't start action towards a Pentagon audit.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
25. An audit of the Pentagon is not the subject of discussion in a thread
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:31 PM
Dec 2015

titled Bernie Sanders: Audit the Department of Defense.

Well certainly not when you are losing yet another battle in the trenches of DU.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
26. Really ???
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:43 PM
Dec 2015


"Dear Colonel Holmes,

I am sorry to be so long in writing. I know I promised to let you hear from me at least once a month, and from now on you will, but I have had to have some time to think about this first letter. Almost daily since my return to England I have thought about writing, about what I want to and ought to say. First, I want to thank you, not just for saving me from the draft, but for being so kind and decent to me last summer, when I was as low as I have ever been. One thing which made the bond we struck in good faith somewhat palatable to me was my high regard for you personally. In retrospect, it seems that the admiration might not have been mutual had you known a little more about me, about my political beliefs and activities. At least you might have thought me more fit for the draft than for ROTC. Let me try to explain.

As you know, I worked for two years in a very minor position on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I did it for the experience and the salary, but also for the opportunity, however small, of working every day against a war I opposed and despised with a depth of feeling I had reserved solely for racism in America before Vietnam. I did not take the matter lightly, but studied it carefully, and there was a time when not many people had more information about Vietnam at hand than I did. I have written and spoken and marched against the war. One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine. After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to Washington to work in the national headquarters of the Moratorium, then to England to organize the Americans here for demonstrations here October 15th and November 16th.

Interlocked with the war is the draft issue, which I did not begin to consider separately until early 1968. For a law seminar at Georgetown I wrote a paper on the legal arguments for and against allowing, within the Selective Service System, the classification of selective conscientious objection, for those opposed to participation in a particular war, not simply to, quote, participation in war in any form, end quote. From my work I came to believe that the draft system itself is illegitimate. No government really rooted in limited, parliamentary democracy should have the power to make its citizens fight and kill and die in a war they may oppose, a war which even possibly may be wrong, a war which, in any case, does not involve immediately the peace and freedom of the nation.

The draft was justified in World War II because the life of the people collectively was at stake. Individuals had to fight if the nation was to survive, for the lives of their countrymen and their way of life. Vietnam is no such case. Nor was Korea, an example where, in my opinion, certain military action was justified but the draft was not, for the reasons stated above.

Because of my opposition to the draft and the war, I am in great sympathy with those who are not willing to fight, kill, and maybe die for their country, that is, the particular policy of a particular government, right or wrong. Two of my friends at Oxford are conscientious objectors. I wrote a letter of recommendation for one of them to his Mississippi draft board, a letter which I am more proud of than anything else I wrote at Oxford last year. One of my roommates is a draft resister...


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More: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/etc/draftletter.html




JudyM

(29,785 posts)
13. We've been waiting for this. Lack of meaningful oversight and lack of audit + no-bid contracts
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:36 PM
Dec 2015

leads to a huge waste of taxpayer money.

Why is there no accountability in these glaring cases of conflict of interest? Make public all the Halliburton ilk situations and make the bastards pay it all back on the basis of fraud, gross accounting negligence, whatever. Dig it up, shine the bright lights on it and publicize it all.

How many of us have this as a huge, grating pet peeve about our govt?!
It's not just Wall St that needs authentically enforced accounting standards.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
14. A massive yes to this!
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:38 PM
Dec 2015

The DoD has needed audited for decades now. It is rediculous how much money we dump into that black hole without knowing where it is going.

How anyone can be against this amazes me. I would be saying hell yeah if Clinton or anyone else pushed for it.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
27. Like when taxpayers bought $500m worth of aircraft that was sold directly to scrap.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:51 PM
Dec 2015
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2014/10/10/u-s-scrapped-486-million-aircraft-fleet-that-taxpayers-bought-for-afghanistan/

That's money being spent for it's own sake that could go toward better care for veterans or higher pay for enlisted soldiers.
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