Thom Hartman Just Had A Man Named Sam Smith On

them out and posted the website URL. After going through the site, I wrote them and told them that their policies were no different than Republicans. I directed them to the Heritage Foundation site for comparison. I never got a reply from them. I believe the website might still be cached out there in cyberspace.

http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html

How the Koch brothers helped dismantle the Democratic Party

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Apr 14, 2015 - How the Koch brothers helped dismantle the Democratic Party ... It helps that the organization —founded after the 1984 election to move the Democratic Party to the right — has ... Bill Clinton was the face of the DLC in 1992.

But this explains Wild Bill bringing us:
WTO, GATT, NAFTA, Telecommunications ACT, end of Glass-Stegal, etc and why Obama (the DLC's anointed one) brought us the republican healthcare plan and.... T P P !

and I don't want to here how HIllary is 'her own person' and not part of the corporatist DLC cabal.

And you're far from alone.

9 huge government conspiracies that actually happened

Adding my post to my journal so I can find and steal your pic and link.

And maybe even the yawn!



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Here is the link please go to it, and K&R!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027482279

...for not going along with Clinton!

These people are the real traitors to our Democratic party. They are a disease on our party and Bernie is the Z-PAC.

How dare they!

God, no wonder the DLC and the HNC hate the liberal wing of the party. We expect this shit from the Republicans. This is how Republicans are supposed to behave--kow towing to the corporations, tipping the scales to the millionaires, billionaires and CEOs. The Democarts are supposed to be the party of working people, and we're supposed to be the humanists who help our fellow brothers and sisters. That is the REAL Democratic party, not this Koch-infested wound on our party.

Bernie is our chance to take it all back!

Sam was actually talking about on Thom's show. This is the part I missed and when I went back to watch it my ROKU kept acting up. I tried FSTV and it wouldn't load either so I had to wait until I could connect. Mind boggling and pretty disgusting as far as I'm concerned.

AND now I guess Bill is coming on scene for Hillary, the tag team to beat back against Trump for starters. Sometimes I think it's fine that Bernie doesn't get all the attention on MSM because I feel many, many people have no idea about how many supporters he has. I DO think MSM knows and they're doing EVERYTHING they can to basically IGNORE his existence! This, in and of itself is truly UN-Democratic, small "d" on this one.

What blows me away is the fact that far too many aren't realizing that they are being played like a fine tuned fiddle. UNFORTUNATELY, and I say this because I recall a time when there was at least the appearance of one on one debate on any given show. These days it's ONLY what THEY want you to hear! Not much difference now between how FAUX NEWS works. It's a testament to how much POWER they have and how willing people are to accept this as NORMAL! Total manipulation leads to TOTAL MONOPOLY and that's where we're at.

The FOURTH Estate that Thomas Jefferson felt was so necessary has simply been bought by TPTB! All too normal to the UN-INFORMED, who think they're really INFORMED! Oh what a tangled web that's been woven and it should scare "we the people" MOST OF ALL! But I guess "not so much' anymore!

I have to wrap this up, I've read so many links the past two days that I'm about ready to hide under my bed so THEY DON'T find me and take me away!! A thought just ran through my brain about names of journalist who simply "went away" by some accident or unexplained reason. Then of course I always think about Paul Wellstone and the airplane accident. That was shortly after Clinton was elected as I recall. AND, it happened on my birthday too! October 25th so many years ago! We MUST help Russ Feingold all we can. I don't think he played their game, he lost his last election.

I know I was stopping... enough now!

and to those of us who see through the smoke, fog and mirrors!

That right there tells me the DLC is just a group run by money and everyone knows when money is behind it, it's not progressive or left-leaning. We get what we pay for.

And I think the DLC has morphed into the DNC. Damn. Was not aware of this. Now I'm depressed.

let's channel our depression/anger turned inward to get bernie elected and work hard to save our country & our citizenry from immolation.

I recall from when we first unearthed the forces behind the DLC, that they had a candidate questionnaire that screened out any liberal leaning hopefuls, while providing funding for those who were happy to play corporatist ball.

DLC's PNAC document

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251495072Many, many exceptional links.

This is the motherhood.

your link has Tom DeLay's NAME on it!! WTF???

I see I've been in the dark for way, way too long, even though I NEVER, EVER went over to the DLC side. I'm a DEMOCRAT and NOT a DLC DEMOCRAT!!

This is SICK beyond my comprehension! I've known for a very long time that MY Democratic Party has been moving more and more to the RIGHT and I've REFUSED to go that way!

Has there NOT been ANY effort to bring all this to light?? I feel so very, very stupid! I instinctively knew that I NEVER wanted to support Hillary now or in the past NOR did I support Obama back in 2008, but HE TALKED a good talk and as with most of us WE voted for him!

THIS MUST NOT CONTINUE! There seems to be very little difference or maybe I'm completely over reacting! I need some time right now to read these links and the cross posts, but I do want to say that I'm THANKFUL that I wasn't taken in!!

After I digest some of these links I'll be back... right now my head is spinning. And I thought I was pretty informed. Seems it's o only MY GUT that was guiding me!

http://prorevnews.blogspot.com/2015/04/how-koch-brothers-helped-to-dismantle.html

https://samsmitharchives.wordpress.com/2014/12/09/the-secret-they-wont-tell-you/

the formation.

I think it was and has been simply overlooked because of the success of BC's bubble-based economy. I'd like to see it be common knowledge so that the real 3rdwayers in the Hillary camp can proudly stand up and id themselves as ....

ruling and owning class will win big if Clinton or Trump or Jeb! wins. Sanders would actually rally millions of people to fight them, while the GOP crackpots might unsettle things as well. So we will get a choice next fall of a conservative female (D) and a conservative male (R).

…..everything. The Koch's are brilliant, really. I remember back to the day when Clinton was doing NAFTA, dismantling Glass Steagall, and allowing more media conglomeration—and thinking that Clinton was doing more to dismantle the Democratic Party from within than the Republicans were doing from without. It was so clear that he was moving everything to the right.

Don't forget that Al Gore and Rahm were in the original group—does that make them founders?

The Kochs have been at this for sixty years—since their pop co-founded the extreme right wing Birch Society. Doing lots of damage to the Constitution and to our tattered Democracy. And it's just a handful of people.

We set it up so as to be easy for them to buy politicians legally, with campaign and Super Pac money, big surprise there I guess. They haven't realized fully that they have pushed too far, though OWS caught them with pants down. Ross Perot had it right when he said, "That giant sucking sound will be all our jobs going into Mexico." Since then it's been downhill.

was that he transformed the democratic party into the republican party, and he pushed republican party so far to the right it became insane." -Chris Hedges-

Thanks for the quote. It's true.

Interesting to know now that Al Gore was in the original group. This short piece of Gore's conservative from KOS is illuminating.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/11/217774/-

…fascinating read. I had no idea that Al was that rightwing. Thanks for the link.

On the other hand, remember how he chose the insufferable Joe Lieberman as his running mate in 2000? That was horrifying.

I miss Vidal.

Lieberman.

So the oligarchs own Hillary and the DLC

to DU's own "madfloridian" for this article:

Al From's group wanted a "bloodless revolution" in our Democratic Party

Thu Sep 24, 2015, 07:29 PM

Al From in his recent book, The New Democrats Return to Power, indicated that their group was formed to take over the party's policy.

He went further, even proclaiming they could take over the party. In many ways they did. This is sort of Part 2 of It's Al From’s Democratic Party, we just live here.



I disagree with Stoller on one point for sure. I do not believe From's colleagues believed or even cared if they were serving the public interest. I believe funding and profit were their main goals.

We can thank them for the trade deals that have taken many jobs overseas. Al From was really firm on Bill Clinton supporting NAFTA. Notice he wants to "beat" organized labor. What kind of Democrat does that? A New Democrat.

As From wrote in a memo to Clinton in his first term, “Of all the opportunities you have this fall, NAFTA presents the greatest. Passing NAFTA can make your presidency. NAFTA presents both an economic and political opportunity…I can’t tell you how much better it would make your life and how much it would strengthen your presidency for you to beat (David) Bonior and organized labor on NAFTA. That would reestablish presidential leadership in the Democratic Party, something that hasn’t happened since 1966.”

From had an institutionalist perspective on NAFTA. He believed in free trade, but he also believed in Presidential primacy over the legislature. '“Politically, a victory on NAFTA would assert your leadership over your own party by making it clear that you, not the Democratic leadership in Congress or the interest groups, set the Democratic Party’s agenda on matters of real national importance.” You can hear echoes of Obama, and the broad Democratic party, in its collective disdain towards Congress. That is one consequence of From’s revolution, a shift of legitimacy away from the legislature.

From worked with Bob Rubin, Bill Daley, and Rahm Emanuel to run a campaign to pass NAFTA. Since rolling labor and crushing the left was his favorite activity, From jumped into this feet first. He registered as a lobbyist, talked to members on the Hill, and traveled nationwide to do public and media events on behalf of the agreement. It worked, and in his view, set the stage for the rest of Clinton’s term

I question the wisdom of having a contest between Congress and the President on purpose.

More from Al From's piece about his book at The Atlantic last year.

Recruiting Bill Clinton

MUCH MORE of a Good Read....CONTINUED AT:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027200959

1980



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1988

The party switched primarily to a presidential party from that point on.

...no. From a policy standpoint, (you know, that part that's not slathered in bullshit) there's little difference between Big Dog and Bush 41.

All I ever needed to know.

Many at DU are loathe to admit it.

Or maybe as blue as a blue dog.

that AIN'T any kind of DEMOCRAT that's gone a win me over! So to all who keep calling Bernie a DINO, in my opinion your impression of DINO and mine are EXTREMELY different! To the extent that Bernie is a Socialist Democrat I have to say then I TOO am one. And whether any here want to admit it or not, HE'S much more of a Democrat than any DLC type. The names I see on these lists MOST certainly CAN NOT, in any way be defined as anything other than REPUGLICANS!

This is my opinion and I can only fight and do what I can to support Bernie because what he's proposing is much, much more like the Democratic Party I joined way back in the 70's!

Ok, I have to stop for now because I'm so very upset by this. Just on last message. For me, my support and any help I can give has just been given a whole NEW MEANING! Kind of like a NEW fire in my belly!

JMHO and I expect to be attacked like ten minutes ago. Say what you will, I think after I'm done reading many of these links I'm sure I'm not going to engage in ANY tit for tat, back and forth fighting here at DU. I've seen all too much these past 6 months and have only done what I can to support Bernie. Now, my resolve is stronger than ever.

you define a true democrat. it is despicable and appalling how american democracy has been played by the greedy right. recently on link tv, ralph nader presented "Unstoppable: The Emerging Left-Right Alliance to Dismantle the Corporate State". his talk is base upon his book - printed in 2014 and available online. the video may be on youtube.

the current dynamic of Bernie's recognition ( and others ) that many (unfortunately, not all) trump supporters are the disenfranchised working class who are sick and tired and have had enough of the "corporate state". of course, trump is "using" their anger to his advantage...but now, bernie is including a shout out to these folks in his message.

exploited by the DLC'ers/Third Way people! How they come to this decision is quite obviously a means to attack him as some sort of "whacko" which couldn't be further from the truth. THEY must know this and IF THEY DON'T then I'm left scratching my head as to HOW or WHY they could possibly see it this way. If one spends anytime listening to Bernie's message it's quite easy to see a VAST difference in Trump's message which is full venom and fluff and so different from Bernie's

IMO, should Bernie reach one of his followers it can only mean that they've been able to see a different reality while still not wanting to vote for the status quo. Bernie's message is FOR THE PEOPLE and inclusion, and TRUMP... well we know.

All I can hope for from the bottom of my heart and soul is that the people of this country WAKE UP and take a hard look at how far we've fallen and where we are headed if we can't stop the present Oligarchs from becoming something much worse!

This is just how I feel and what I will fight for. I've SEEN and KNOWN a different Democratic Party than many here I suppose. I simply can't cross over and fall on my sword because to me it's just moving the way those at the top want me to move. I WON'T GO!

in throwing dirt. but you and i know the working class can still smell shit when it presents itself and call it what it is. trust the process.

As long as they sleep well, they could care less for the least. As long as corporations win, they win. They will be just as pleased with whomever wins as long as Wall St does, they just won't come out and say it.

The House map not so much


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_1994

However, one does not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Or put another way, if we are going to win the Presidency with left values, then we need to work to educate the populace, create real successes in terms of long term policy (e.g., social security, medicare, etc.), just as liberals have been doing from the beginning. You do not simply say "it's too hard" and then move to the right to take advantage of all the propaganda that the right-wing has been poisoning the populace with.

Yes propaganda, deceit and corruption bscked by Big Money can be very successful and effective.

But what is the point if you've sold your soul in the process?

They think that the party has moved RIGHT from FDR and JFK, failing to acknowledge that it had swung very hard to the LEFT under Johnson and after.

The DLC is a realignment of the party with traditional American fiscal values, that have been long favored.

Part of me wishes that Bernard will win the nomination, and we will see another map like this. If the party could get back to it's core values, we would be better off, and a colossal defeat might lead to that. Of course we would have to suffer for years, as we did under Reagan....

The far-left don't understand that they aren't the Democratic party. They have found a home here, but Americans are never going to accept socialism (or democratic-socialism as its now branded).

Democratic Party! And I've been a very long time Democrat! I'm afraid we totally disagree! I may not have been around way back BEFORE FDR, but I have read a lot about him. Yes, he did fight a hard fight, but to me it was because he went against his financial pals who thought he sold them out!

We must have read our history books differently!

pfft!

...strong common institutions such as the U.S. Postal Service, public utilities and public colleges and universities, strong laws against media monopolies and unfair political use of the public airwaves, strong laws against banksters and other predatory capitalists, the promotion of equal opportunity, the promotion of civil rights for all, the promotion of public participation, and many other policies that seek the COMMON GOOD.

The "far left" = the party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the New Deal, which rescued this country from the predatory capitalists WHO HAD BROUGHT IT DOWN.

Americans damn well DID accept--and, indeed, welcomed--socialism as an absolutely necessary counterbalance to capitalism. Capitalism will never result in the Common Good, by itself. Private money, by itself, will never create a postal service for all, and that all can afford; will never provide free education, even for children; will never build roads, bridges, town halls, public libraries, parks, community centers, and other infrastructure that all can use; will never create a common fund retirement system (and is actively trying to destroy the one we have); and it will almost never willingly pay a living wage (except for a very rare few business people who want to live in a good society, and/or who understand that prosperity for all is prosperity for them). In short, capitalism and private money will never create a decent life for all; and will almost never do anything that doesn't pad the pockets of the already rich. It takes democracy and government to create a good society.

You are very much mistaken about the Democratic Party, and what it is--or should be--and who it belongs to--or should belong to. And you are very much mistaken about what "far-left" means.

Wow, that is some arrogant shit you are pushing. You are saying because many Democrats (including me) want to save the middle class and poor, we are not part of the party?

There are many people that are Democrats that believe it is the conservatives (like you) that want to drag the party left by nominating someone like Clinton.

First, it is money in politics that is preventing us from adequately dealing with the problems that we need to. Unless that is dealt with we will have a hard time fixing anything.

Second, here are a list of just a few of the problems we need to address:

-Homelessness
-Poverty
-Infrastructure
-Jobs
-Healthcare
-Education
-Justice system

None of those will get dealt with unless we have a government that is willing to pass the laws to fix these things. Roads.....are socialism. The fire and police department....is..wait for it...socialism. The fucking library...is socialism. All those are GOVERNMENT programs are socialism. So that fact that you can sit there and denounce socialism when it is everywhere around you is pretty damn funny.

Maybe it's time you get off your high horse and start looking in the mirror to figure out who is the problem.

Why, "The MONEY PARTY" of Course... The Corporatist Nation!

And WE should want more of THAT?

The DLC Served it's anointed Pols on the Democratic side well... FINANCIALLY! Billy Boy being the FIRST in what has been a LONgggg Line...

Now with Wife Hillary ready to "Carry the Mantle" For the Koch Brothers et al the DLC has come... FULL FUCKING CIRCLE!

Time to STOP this "Train Wreck" before it has a chance to roll into the "Station" i.e., The Oval office... AGAIN!

plus the so-called D's in the White House have been driving policy friendly to the wealthy corporate DLC backers.

wow what an eyeopener

and a to you for the article of yours posted link to here on thread #17!

Matt Stoller at "Naked Capitalism also had a great background review of From's book...but, its too long for most people to want to dig in to read here. Your article referenced it.

tomorrow for sure.

no idea the Kochs were involved with this!! No wonder North Carolina is going far right as well as backwards. Our Governor also has ties to them. Sorry I can't add more info, but thanks for getting this out there.

Third Way has its policies. The Clinton Foundation purchased all its records.

When the DLC closed, it records were acquired by the Clinton Foundation, which DLC founder Al From called an "appropriate and fitting repository." To this day, the Clinton Foundation continues to promote the work of the DLC's founding members. In September 2015, the foundation hosted an event to promote From's book The New Democrats and the Return to Power. Amazingly, O'Malley provided a favorable blurb for the book, praising it as a "reminder of the core principles that still drive Democratic success today."

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

everywhere we can and for as long as we can. I honestly think many, many Democrats NEVER had a clue about this. There are so many "newbies" here who I'm sure weren't even around before the Clinton Era!

I have so much in my head right now, but those of us who KNEW a very different Democratic Party have a huge task ahead of us. DLC/Third Way is really worse than I ever imagined! I AM VERY, VERY afraid. Remember, MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL! And for those that have, THEY ain't giving any back!

Just does charity work with those vast donations from foreign governments, right?

the leaders and the gatekeepers of the organizations that stand in their way. It's why installing puppet leaders in other nations is their favorite go-to foreign policy. They will never get the indigenous populations to hand over their oil and mining resources for 1 cent on the dollar. But a puppet leader will sign them away for one small deposit into a secret bank account.

The struggle between FDR Democrats and the Turd Way is increasingly between the true Democratic base and the bought-and-paid-for party gatekeepers (DWS).

Of course the right corrupted the Democratic Party. It's way cheaper to make a few cannot-refuse deals with key gatekeepers than to endorse genuinely democratic policies which would spread the wealth across the entire U.S. population.

Some of them are goddamned sociopaths. They don't give a shit about patriotism or democracy.

for newbies. thanks.

The purpose is to keep the Oligarchs in power while keeping the pretense that the Democratic Party cares about the people.

Here are some more sources:

Third Way Foundation (Source Watch page)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Third_Way_Foundation

Will Marshall profile from Right Web
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295.html

Democratic Leadership Council/DLC page from Source Watch
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Democratic_Leadership_Council

DLC profile from Right Web
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1463.html

"How the DLC Does It" by Robert Dreyfuss (American Prospect 4-22-2001)
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=4706

Progressive Policy Institute/PPI (the DLC's main think tank) links

PPI Source Watch page
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Progressive_Policy_Institute

PPI profile from Right Web
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1534.html

Grants to support PPI (from Media Transparency)
www.mediatransparency.org/recipientgrants.php?recipientID=2355

due to their DLC pap

is a poison to the entire US Working Class and Poor,
but glad YOU are ok.

....and the effect of their NeoCon "Free Trade" policies on America's Working Class and Poor.

I could give you an education, but I charge for my time.

so I don't know what you are going on about. Maybe I'll have a drink as well.

But, it made me very sad how so many of what were so called "Left of the DLC Websites" tended to cave once President Obama was elected. And, how little we have left of Anti-War Coalition and Other Progessive Websites who thought the "Too Big to Fail ...SHOULD HAVE BEEN...JAILED."

How far we've come in "Falling Back."

I misread your post #44 as attacking my sources.
You didn't.
My mistake.

Important information that needs to be kept out in the open.

Thank you, ChiciB1.

this front and center! Maybe more will open their eyes and see things more clearly. I just responded to what I heard from Thom Hartmann. I have to thank HIS SHOW for this AND SO much more.

I get up every day thinking I have something new to learn. Today was a whole lots learning. Still have a stack of links to read. Outta hear for now.

AND, today was madness for me and I never even turned on my PC! I want to thank everyone who did all this homework and added ALL this great information. Now, it just needs to be spread far and wide!

Thanks to everyone... this one IS SUPER "alp227" because it's so easy to SEE!

chilling it is......14 years ago this shit was creeping up.

About the earliest days of the DLC. Interssting history.

think that if the initials go away, the corruption did too.

That New Democrat Coalition had a mission statement, when I first saw it quite a while ago, that said they were eschewing that silly political party baggage in order to work across the aisle. The whole place really read much like the Koch's Americans for Prosperity. It was gussied up before the primary campaigning started.

I will not be voting for or supporting anyone who belongs to that membership. Blue Dogs and DINOs.

swayed by the questions that Kelly ask him. I normally do not watch either Kelly or Fox News, but I wanted to hear Koch talk about his aspirations and mission in life being in his 80s.
He indicated he works with both parties to get what he wants. Of of his main objectives is to get government out of the lives of people and companies. Free enterprise for all. He did say he was not against climate change, but that it cannot effect losing jobs or closing pollution companies because of government regulations.
One issue he does to get control is to start at the community level to gain control of the communities, then the states and it will automatically happen at the Federal level. He also donates money to Universities and colleges with the notation he can put his own professors into key classrooms. In this matter he can sway the thinking of the students.

With 100 billion dollars, the Koch brothers can do and control whatever they want.

There isn't much else to say. Everyone moved to the right, leaving an Independent standing in their place.

-SNIP-

In 1988, the 1992 play was already being cast. Conservative Democrats were holding strategy meetings at the home of party fund-raiser Pamela Harriman. The meetings — eventually nearly a hundred of them — were aimed at ending years of populist insurrection within the party. They were regularly moderated by Clark Clifford and Robert Strauss, the Mr. Fixits of the Democratic mainstream. Democratic donors paid $1000 to take part in the sessions and by the time it was all over, Mrs. Harriman had raised about $12 million for her kind of Democrats.

The play was also being cast by a group that called itself the Democratic Leadership Council. Although lacking any official role in the Democratic Party (and often appearing more a Democratic Abandon Ship Council), the DLC claimed it was the voice of mainstream party thought. In fact, it was primarily a lobby for the views of southern and other conservative Democrats, yet so successful was its media manipulation that it managed with impunity to call its think tank the Progressive Policy Institute.

In such places the important Democratic politics of the late 1980s was being made. Clinton may have bored millions of Americans on TV that night, but Clifford, Strauss, Harriman and the DLC found him intensely interesting, extremely intelligent — an appealing pragmatist, willing to compromise, and fully at home with the policy jargon of the capital.

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