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[upaloopa]

1. Well she will be the 45th President

so get use to Madam President

You don't even represent 30% of the Democratic Party

[emsimon33]

2. She can't win against any Republican, unfortunately for us, I believe

Just an opinion, but alert on me if you must!

[Nitram]

9. "Alert on me if I must" LOL

"Shoot if you must this old gray head , but spare your country's flag."

[redstateblues]

6. That translates to around 15% nationally

[sadoldgirl]

11. So she will win the GE?

Without a large part of the millennials as well
as the independents? Without 10-14% of the
democrats?

Good luck with that!

[emsimon33]

13. I put it closer to 25-30% of the Dems

[dragonlady]

46. Just today I heard from a young man of 28

He said because of Hillary's position on the TPP, he would write in Bernie Sanders rather than vote for her. And I'm sure he's not the only one.

[Gloria]

62. Another myopic person who has no sense of history and

how we have to reclaim what we've lost and stabilize things.....instead of Nadering a Dem in 2016..

Good work, screw you when the Supreme Court goes Republican!! Will know who to blame....

Put on the critical thinking hat and ponder a bit....or do these people insist on keeping the dunce caps on??

Jerk

[Cassiopeia]

70. Someone is running in the GE as an Independent?

That's huge news, you should post it in LBN.

[Katashi_itto]

73. Guess you should have run a better candidate.

[tabasco]

91. Guess you should

BTW - I'm a Sanders supporter but I'm not stupid enough to refuse to vote for Clinton when the result could be a fascist republican regime. And puhleeeze, don't recite the imbecilic "no difference" canard.

[hopemountain]

79. bernie sanders will be the 45th president. nt.

[SCantiGOP]

77. Dragonlady:

You do realize that "just today I heard from a young man....." doesn't mean squat when there are going to be millions of votes and an electoral college to determine who is the next President?

[hopemountain]

80. it means plenty when the time to vote comes. one vote at a time,

bernie will be elected the 45th president. oh, but i already posted this here. hiccup.

[SCantiGOP]

86. If this election

ends up being decided by one vote I will praise your wisdom and foresight.

[hopemountain]

92. good grief. this not what i wrote

nor what i implied. but, you know this already. bernie sanders will be your 45th president.

[JohnnyRingo]

69. You might overestimate the loyalty of your peers

When the election rolls around it's absurd to imagine that every current Bernie supporter will stay home or vote for someone else. You may feel that you're leading a huge rally right now, but in six months you may find yourself wallowing in self pity and relative solitude when the movement evaporates.

Personally, I'll be proud to vote for Sanders if he manages to pull it off, but it doesn't appear likely. While I guess that means I have no ideals but perhaps I'm a loyal democrat. Shame on those who vow to help elect a republican just to spite a Clinton.

[Andy823]

76. I totally agree with you.

I think there is a group of poster on DU that "won't" voter for her, but mainly because they aren't really democrats. Sure they claim to be, but it's pretty obvious that some here have a different agenda than putting a democrat back in the WH. That being said, I do think the "real" Bernie supporters will vote for Hillary because they know that any republican running is going to be far, far worse at leading this country forward, and protecting the things we have gained since president Obama took office.

I know my candidate is a long shot, and I also know that whoever wins, I will vote for them in the GE. Those who keep pushing the idea, in one way or another, to not vote for Hillary, to not vote at all, or to write in Bernie's name if she is the nominee, are not really matters and should find another board that feels the same way as they do about NOT helping elect democrats.

[fredamae]

20. It isn't just between

HRC Dems and Bernie Dems. This isn't about "our" party anymore. Those days are over. This is a movement .. of People-ordinary people from all walks of life and political affiliations. In fact party affiliation is nearly gone from the conversation at least In my experience and in my opinion.

[floriduck]

43. The reality is that Dems will continue to own the White House until

they fumble it away. The only reason any Dem presidential candidate would lose is if Dems voted by write-in for someone else, stayed home or decided by vote to let the GOP fuck the country up even more. Then maybe the DLC/DNC might get their heads out of their asses.

[fredamae]

59. Well, we lost the House

and Senate...and "we" yelled for change...and all "we" heard was crickets. I'm questioning the very motives of the DNC right now. Presidents don't have a hellava lot of authority domestically speaking, can't spend/allocate money, can't write laws...EO's are temporary .... Appointees are important - unless the Minority in the senate Filibusters everything ad nauseam, with a Dem maj leader Refusing to reform the rules....Geebus..really the GOP has Been in control during Obama's 7 years using every stinking dirty trick in the book--with seemingly little resistance From dems. I'm not too sure these guys can Find the asses from which they must withdraw their heads at this juncture.

[rhett o rick]

47. Hubris of her followers and the DNC will be our Parties downfall. It's easy to prove that Sen

Sanders will get more Democratic votes in the general than HRC. But the DNC/Oligarchy don't care. They'd much rather run Clinton and lose than support Sen Sanders who would try to temper their greed. And it's really all about greed.

[Indydem]

58. See what you just admitted to?

"Sanders will get more Democratic votes in the general than HTC"

They should get the same amount, but they won't. It is Bernouts who are just begging to sit out an election (like 2010 and 2014) because the candidate isn't pure enough.

They are the ones saying "if I don't get my unicorn, I'm taking my rainbow and going home!"

Bernouts need to learn a phrase:

Don't let the "perfect" become the enemy of the good.

I put perfect in quotes because Sanders is far from it, but their are a lot people who are following his pied piper routine.

[rhett o rick]

61. No matter how hard you shake your finger, there are people out there that will not

vote to continue the corruption of the establishment. I am not admitting anything, I am stating a fact. Sanders will garner more Democratic votes than Clinton. Whether you like it or not, it's a fact that you need to consider. Do you really want the best candidate to face the Republicons or do you go along with Goldman-Sachs and the Oligarchy and don't care if Democrats win as long as they don't get a Progressive. Seems you would rather have Bush than Sanders.

[Indydem]

66. No, see, you are mistaken.

I will vote for Bernard in the general.

I will not vote for him in the primary.

But millions of moderates will not support his far left positions. Regardless of what his supporters say, republicans are not going to vote for him. Minorities are not going to turn out for him. These are all things backed by polling.

So, maybe, if your pretense is correct, that so many of the Democratic base is roiling with anger and hatred for money, capitalism, and the "establishment" he will get more votes (a pretense I reject as a complete and utter phallacy) from the Democratice base. That makes up 30% of the electorate. The other 70% is up for grabs and Sanders doesn't have the ability to sway them.

[davidpdx]

72. I'd like to see some proof on this one

It is Bernouts who are just begging to sit out an election (like 2010 and 2014) because the candidate isn't pure enough.

Please proceed.................

[A Simple Game]

78. Once you get to the general election it's no longer just about the Democrats. The vast

majority of voters are unaffiliated and they do not like Hillary. I don't even have to mention how her number one enemy the Republicans feel about her do I? Bernie, as the polls are already showing, with the support of a majority of the unaffiliated and along with a majority of Democrats and even a minority of Republicans will easily win and have large coattails. Hillary can not win with just a majority of Democrats, she can't win even if every Democrat votes for her. But who cares, we will just blame it on the liberals again.

If Hillary wins the primaries and then loses the general I see the Democratic party shrinking to be even smaller than the Republican party. The exodus will be massive.

[Logical]

97. Get ready for disappointment. nt

[ViseGrip]

98. Hillary is not good for our country, especially at this time. Maybe before the policies took effect

we are living with now. All I hear is people cannot stand this country anymore.

Now be honest and realize who did this?
Bush and Clinton.

[emsimon33]

3. Well said!

[JoePhilly]

4. Another self-proclaimed High Priest of Liberalism has ...

... looked down upon the common folks, and found them unworthy.

[demwing]

39. Well you convinced me...

To send another donation to Bernie.

Thanks!

[rhett o rick]

51. Interesting that you even mention the "common folks" when the Conservative Wing seems to worship

Goldman-Sachs and the wealth of the 1%. Elect someone that is beholden to the oligarchy and watch what happens to the "common folks". So far your wealthy oligarchy have given us 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty. Let them win the Presidency and watch the poverty rate grow as the corporate profits.

[hopemountain]

87. it's a rovian tactic to refer to the 1% as "common folks"

just ask billary how she refers to herself. yea, "common folk", broke when they left the white house.

[seabeyond]

5. Those not willing to vote GE are irrelevant to me.

[Beacool]

24. Me too.

They are sore losers who can't seem to see beyond their noses. They are so selfish that they don't care if a Republican gets elected. It's either their candidate or nothing, the country be damned.

[seabeyond]

36. Peoples lives.... be damned. Ya, kick them to the curb. I hear ya, and exactly. Nt.

[randr]

7. Knowing that she will be light years of evolution ahead of any Republican

She will get my Democratic vote.
If she beats Bernie.

[Jenny_92808]

8. I will vote for Hillary if she wins

Any Dem is head and shoulders above the republicans.

[Nitram]

10. OK mccoy, we get it.

If Clinton wins the primary, you won't vote for her. Thanks for letting us know. Now, could you leave us in peace?

[NCTraveler]

12. I'm not challenging you.

I'm telling you I think it would clearly be in the best interest of the people of the U.S. and the world. Where is the challenge.

[seabeyond]

14. That would be Bernians, right? And Bern fans. Right?

[brooklynite]

16. I believe it's "Bernese"...

[seabeyond]

17. Oh, Bernese. Well, there you go. Me? I am more respectful and just call all supporters, of whoever.

I do not have the need to be insulting with names, to opposing supporters.

[rhett o rick]

56. Call us whatever you think makes you feel better. I will wear whatever you come up with, with pride.

We are fighting the established corruption of big money running our government. We are fighting to end the continuation of the wealth redistribution from the 99% to your 1%. Fighting the imprisonment of our population, especially minorities. I know you think these all take a backseat to increasing the wealth of Goldman-Sachs and the other supporters of HRC. Some act as if they never heard of quid pro quo. If you let the oligarchy run our government, we will lose all the social gains we've fought so hard for.

[seabeyond]

64. I clearly said in my post, I stay firmly with supporters. I don't see the need to diss in namecallin

[brooklynite]

15. So your position is that there is NO DIFFERENCE between Clinton and the Republican candidate...

...and you'll call out Sanders for endorsing Clinton if she wins?

[MeNMyVolt]

18. That's my read of the OP.

Stomach turning.

[randys1]

29. Look beyond the insulting of the owner of this forum and most of its original members, and

see that these people are working AGAINST the Democratic candidate.

I have seen it for a year now or a little less, however long it has been.

I know who is doing what and why, it is why I have my twitter account

https://twitter.com/DidTheyLetUVote

And if you speak OUT as I do in FAVOR of the Democratic Party, you are silenced...

[MeNMyVolt]

33. Thank you Sir!

I don't have a Twitter account (I don't even text), but I now have your's saved to my favorites.

[randys1]

34. Farout

[artislife]

88. Gosh

Can we start a go fund me page for you, so you can fight the good fight?

[baldguy]

21. Can't wait.

Will their heads explode before or after they end their tantrums?

[emulatorloo]

19. Yeah yeah yeah. Bernie and Hillary are just the same as Cruz and Rubio

Sorry Berni_Mccoy, sounds like you are the one drawing false equivalences.

Vote however you want. It is your right, and no one can tell you what to do.

Personally I am not going to enable the Republican apocalypse.

[randys1]

35. Thank you, and please do NOT remove the Bernie logo, Bernie people like you need to

speak up more often

Do you know what Bernie will do if he isn't the nominee?

He will pray on his god damn KNEES that Hillary wins, because as Wall Street as she is, he KNOWS what will happen if she doesnt and as he is a very decent man who doesn't want to see hell on earth


I am a Bernie supporter also but I am seeing SO much harm being done by Bernie supporters that I have decided I will vote for whoever Nate Silver tells me has the better chance of winning.

[Beacool]

22. Hillarians???

The total lack of respect of some of Sanders' supporters for Hillary is pathetic, but inconsequential.

Do with your vote whatever you want to do with it. I frankly don't give a fig.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. If you are part of the in group you can insult people with impunity.

[Beacool]

28. Well, the harder it'll be for them when she wins the nomination.

[comradebillyboy]

48. It's only allowed if one insults Hillary or her supporters, one gets

hides and bans for behaving that way to certain others.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. It is a very sad turn of events, comrade.

[comradebillyboy]

53. This is how Bernie's supporters plan to perusade the 70% of the

party that does not support him. Give me what I want or I'll go home and pout.

[grasswire]

89. I guess you didn't see the term "Bernouts" ...

...used in this thread?

[riversedge]

25. Glad you love something. That is a good thing

[Attorney in Texas]

26. I won't be voting for Clinton. I'll either be voting for Sanders or I'll be casting my vote as a

straight-ticket Democratic ballot because I won't support the Republican nominee for president or for any of the down-ballot races.

[randys1]

32. So in a state where your vote matters you will make it easier for the GOP to win?

[randys1]

27. So you are ADMITTING that you and I assume MANY Bernie supporters may very well NOT

vote for the Democratic candidate for president?

[Beacool]

30. They are a sad bunch, aren't they?

They act like spoiled children who will throw a tantrum if they don't get their way.

[randys1]

31. I honestly wish I knew which of them were sincere in who they are and are just

so blinded by their own interests they cant see what is right in front of them, and which ones are here visa vi Karl Rove.

[Maven]

37. Super constructive, thx

[Kalidurga]

38. I don't have a problem with Hillary as much as I have a problem with her supporters.

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career

[c588415]

41. To the contrary, I feel the same about Sanders supporters.

[Kalidurga]

42. You mean people who don't have deep pockets?

How very liberal of you.

[Squinch]

40. So you're throwing your support to Trump, then.

[pnwmom]

44. Right. Because Hillary people just love his position on gun control, right?

Hillary people understand that she DOES support raising the minimum wage, to the highest level that research supports. (The research conducted by the liberal economist at Princeton who first demonstrated that raising the minimum wage does not reduce jobs; whose research is cited by Bernie; except there is NO DATA for a raise as high as what Bernie is proposing.)

And Hillary supporters know that Hillary was lied to before the IWR vote, and that Ted Kennedy said he understood the votes of Democrats who voted yes, because they didn't haveaccess to the same classified documents that he did, as a member of the Armed Services Committee.

And Hillary people know that she opposes the Keystone Pipeline.

And on and on and on. She is nothing like the Rethugs on the other side, and Hillary supporters can see that clearly.

And yet the vast majority would be willing to vote for Bernie Sanders in the general because it's that important. Even if it sticks in our craw to vote for someone with his record on gun issues and his habit of making it appear that all issues are simple, black and white, with a one-size-fits-all solution.

[davidpdx]

75. I'd really like clarification on this part

And Hillary supporters know that Hillary was lied to before the IWR vote, and that Ted Kennedy said he understood the votes of Democrats who voted yes, because they didn't have access to the same classified documents that he did, as a member of the Armed Services Committee.

So you are saying that Hillary supporters think she was duped into voting for the IWR because she wasn't given the right documents. My question is: As a sitting senator, would it not be her JOB to do the due diligence to ask questions before voting on a resolution that authorized a president to go to war?

I would rather hear that she made a mistake in voting for the IWR than the bullshit excuse that she was duped.

[NanceGreggs]

45. No one is "challenging" you to do anything.

It's always been a given that Democrats will vote for the Dem nominee in a general election. They do so either as a vote for a candidate they believe in, or a vote against the Republican alternative.

Apparently - on DU, at least - keeping a Democrat in the WH is no longer a "given", because some people think that it is somehow "principled" to not vote for the (D) if it's not their candidate of choice.

There is nothing principled about any Democrat contributing to even the remotest chance of a Republican being elected POTUS. There is nothing principled about putting one's individual desires above the needs of the citizenry as a whole.

If you believe that an HRC administration would act in exactly the same way as a Republican administration, perhaps you are simply too politically naive to know the difference.

No one here, or on any other political site, is "challenging" anyone to do anything. You want to vote for the (R), g'head. You want to write-in your candidate if he's not on the ballot, g'head. You want to sit out the election and pout, g'head.

The fact is that those of you who will do so amounts to a handful of people, in the great scheme of things. So no big whup.

And BTW, if you've looked at the polls, you must be aware that most of the population does not see Bernie in any "great political light" when it comes to who they want as the Democratic nominee, and the eventual president.

[MeNMyVolt]

49. +1

[gordyfl]

50. You Left Out...

Hillary supported the Patriot Act and wants to get access to American's personal information.

Didn't we have enough of that spying on Americans during the Bush years?

[stupidicus]

54. yep, that's why this isn't about the issues, because they lose there

and simply show their support for them.

The one that slays me the most is the way they cavalierly dismiss her opposition to single-payer, like that doesn't at the least represent 4-8 years of time wasted on achievement of that goal without her advocacy as POTUS.

If I was a HIlllarian, I'd say all that unnecessary human misery and deaths that occur as a result to our fellow citizens, is on her shoulders.

[treestar]

55. I don't understand this much hate for another Democrat

No she is not the same as the Republican freak that will win.

Most of your assertions are overgeneralization or exaggerations of Hillary's position.

[Aerows]

57. If voters choose not to vote for Hillary Clinton in the Primary...

...It's the fault of the candidate.

I recall the hollering, screaming, wailing and gnashing of the teeth when President Obama snatched Hillary Clinton's so called inevitability straight from her stronghold.

If Hillary Clinton loses, it won't be my fault, nor will it be the fault of any Democrat that holds their nose and votes for her in the GE if she is our nominee.

Ultimately, the only person responsible for losing an election is the person who lost.

Will I suck up and vote for her if she is our nominee? Yes, of course I will - but it will be with reluctance and little enthusiasm.

[Spirochete]

60. They will stop

if Bernie ever takes the lead in the polls. The loyalty oath demands will come to a screeching halt, I'll wager.

[Sky Masterson]

63. What the Fu_k is a "Hillarian" Are they like midichlorians from Star Wars or some family

on Game of Thrones?
I've been away for a while so I'm not up on this cycles slang.
On that note Bernie is my first and Clinton is who will get my vote if she is the Nominee.

[SCantiGOP]

82. I was about to ask the same thing

I can't stomach even a brief viewing of Freerepublic anymore, but they used to delight in calling her "Hitlery Klintoon." I was amazed that they thought that was somehow clever and inventive.
Is "Hillarian" supposed to be something in that same vein?

[Aerows]

65. Here are some links to ponder.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/apr/20/reince-priebus/hillary-clinton-took-money-kings-four-countries-go/

http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-governments-gave-millions-to-foundation-while-clinton-was-at-state-dept/2015/02/25/31937c1e-bc3f-11e4-8668-4e7ba8439ca6_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/02/18/foreign-donations-to-hillary-clintons-foundation-raise-major-ethical-questions/

[Chan790]

67. Democrats voting for Clinton are voting for laundry...

laundry that is covered in Republicanism. Ewwwww!

I'm voting for Democratic values.

[SammyWinstonJack]

74. +1000000. nt

[Andy823]

81. And if Hillary wins the nomination

Will you vote for her, or the republican running against since he pretty much as NO democratic values at all. Of course maybe you know something I don't. Which republican running has better democratic values than Hillary would?

[Chan790]

90. If Hillary wins the nomination...I'm going expat while I can still get out...

before she runs America into the ground and there is a refugee flood.

Spain, I think. I speak the language and it's an EU Schengen Area country.

I'm also in favor of making lists of her supporters and denying them refugee status as political undesirables. They will have made this mess by backing Clinton, let them stew in it.

[Mustellus]

68. Hug your Theological Purity tight.....

.... and enjoy a Trump presidency.

[Iggo]

71. They demand loyalty at the same time they tell you they don't need your vote.

Funnier than sad.

[Chan790]

83. I'm listening to them...

they don't need my vote, they say...so I shall not give them my vote.

If Hillary wants my vote, she'll tell her supporters to STFU and then she can set about earning my vote by repudiating the DLC and Bill's economic legacy and policies. The only Hillary I'll ever vote for is one that has a come to Jesus moment and realizes Bernie is 100% right on economic issues and she's been wrong all along.

[SmittynMo]

84. It still amazes me

how many people will vote against their best interest, and the future of their children and grandchildren.

I will NEVER understand it.

[Thinkingabout]

85. I read comments like these and just wonder if you are intereted in getting

Democratic ideas passed or Republican ideas are passed. Fight the fight and if you are rewarded with a republican along with a republican congress then you can say great, we beat Hillary.

[Cryptoad]

93. Those who will not support,,,

the Democratic candidate whoever it may be, is not a Democrat. period!!

[hay rick]

94. I'm a Bernarian (?)

I am working to get Bernie nominated. If that fails I will put my volunteer effort into other campaigns- but I will definitely vote for Hillary. While I clearly prefer Bernie, I view the good/evil gap between Bernie and Hillary as trivial compared to the good/evil gap between Hillary and any possible Republican nominee. Folks who can't handle less than perfect candidates need to put a whole lot of time/effort/money into supporting their preferred candidate in the primary. The only perfect candidate for office is the person you see in the mirror every morning and his/her name isn't on the ballot.

[WIProgressive88]

95. I'm a Bernie supporter, but I will abso-fucking-lutely support Hillary if she's the nominee.

I live in Wisconsin so I've seen up close and personal what government by Tea Baggers looks like, and it's not pretty. I certainly disagree with Sec. Clinton on a number of things, but even at her worst, she's a gazillion times better than any of the assclowns that the other side is running.

[bigtree]

96. you're gonna just hate Bernie, then

...he'll endorse her if she wins.

I'll bet you he'd do that without any hint of a 'challenge' to his political sensibilities. You're in a league all to yourself (yourselves).