Sanders wants Trump supporters to back him

[upaloopa]

He also wants Liberty University students to back him.

Trump supporters are racist bigots and the others are fundies.

Sanders is not selling social justice to these folks.

It's as if social justice is a take it or leave it proposition to him.

That is being disingenuous

[bowens43]

1. what a ridiculous post. your desperation is showing.

[BlueCaliDem]

5. How about addressing the post instead of attacking the poster?

Attacking the messenger about a message you can't disprove or just don't like is a Republican tactic, bowen. You should reconsider it. You're not helping your preferred candidate.

[99th_Monkey]

12. Some thing do not deserve to be dignified by being taken seriously ..

your post is one them.

[BlueCaliDem]

19. Project much, 99th? Yeah. That's ALL you do, in between attacking President Obama

and Hillary Clinton, that is.

But it says a lot about YOU that you'd defend Republican tactics. It really does.

[99th_Monkey]

22. Show me where I've 'attacked Obama' or 'defended GOP tactics' ..

oh that's right you can't.

[itsrobert]

43. You just about called Obama as bad as GW Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110838926#post3

[99th_Monkey]

47. True, I think Obama's sanctions against Venezuela are misguided.

And "carrying water for the Bush Crime Family's global agenda".

Yep. I said that, and pretty much stand by it, but not across the board, ONLY in
some instances --like Venezuela, Gitmo still being open, staying in Afghanistan way
too long -- still 8 long years later keeping the US bogged down in that quagmire.

I acknowledge Obama's notable achievements in foreign policy, such as the Iran
nuke agreement, and getting out of Iraq, and being exceedingly cautious & reticent
regarding putting 'boots on the ground' in Syria.

I don't equate Obama with Bush, but reserve the right to be pissed-off about when
Obama's FP decisions look very similar to Bush's.

[roguevalley]

61. its extraordinary how easily some write off a

lot of Americans as hopeless. If even one changes their mind then that's a life saved. We have to re-unite. Not everyone of Trump's supporters are red necks. Some of them are just afraid. They need to hear the truth. As for Liberty College. It took balls to go there and try to persuade others to think more broadly.

I do recall that Jesus went where the need was. He didn't care that the people he talked to were tax collectors and other 'hopeless' losers. He saw them as individuals who might be persuaded to change.

Bernie is doing the same thing. Anyone who has a problem with that is just really, really sad to me. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN A FUCKING DIVIDED COUNTRY ANYMORE! We either pull back together or we die alone. This OP is just ridiculous.

[99th_Monkey]

80. I totally agree. We seriously need a POTUS who knows how to talk to 'the opposition'

with dignity, and in a thought-provoking enough way to actually change a few hearts & minds,
and to soften & tone-down the otherwise harsh divisive rhetoric that gets so easily ginned-up
by the sensationalistic M$M.

[BlueCaliDem]

100. Before you get too smug, 99th...your anti-Obama posts are subtle attacks, but they're attacks.

Obama gets "personal" as rift with Russia over Snowden grows

"If you look at the substance of his actions, it is clear the President is losing his famed poise, at least as far as Snowden and the surveillance state revelations are concerned...one sign that Obama is off balance is his unforced errors in dealing with Russia. The absurd assumption from the get-go seemed to be that Putin would cooperate and hand over Snowden once the Russian leader was prodded a bit. Given the status of US-Russian relations, that was borderline delusional."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023434494
But highlighting in bold that part, especially the "delusional" word, isn't anti-Obama, right?

You agreed with an enthusiastic "K&R! Hot damn!" when notorious anti-Obamanite, Cornell West, called President Obama a "war criminal" on the Real Time with Bill Maher.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017131326#post1
But cheerleading a notoriously anti-Obama man who is now excoriated by the black community while he calls President Obama a war criminal, in your book, doesn't constitute an anti-Obama stance, right?

Once again, Obama is aping GWBush's misguided anti-democratic policies abroad
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1108&pid=38930
But claiming that President Obama is 'aping' GW Bush is not an attack on President Obama, right?

I can go on and on if you like, but I don't like striking a guy when he's already down eating crow. You get my drift.

And as for defending GOP tactics, you did just that at the start of this subthread.

Checkmate, 99th. OUCH.

[99th_Monkey]

101. It's really very simple.

I'm not at all "anti-Obama" across the board. I voted for Obama 100% in every election, including Primaries.

I reserve the right to call Obama (or ANY public official, including Bernie) who claims to be one thing to get my vote, but then does post-election takes positions and policies exactly OPPOSITE of what they say pre-election.

THIS ^ does not make me "anti-Obama, it means I hold people I help elect to be accountable for what they do once elected.

I've already said this up-string, in case you missed it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=960480

[BlueCaliDem]

103. "I'm not at all "anti-Obama" across the board." I've shown you are, no matter how

cleverly subtle you tried to be. So your smug, "Show me where I've 'attacked Obama' or 'defended GOP tactics' ..Oh that's right you can't" was a bit premature, don't you think?

The above is all I'm interested in addressing here. I'm not interested in your "who, why, what" explanations. You've never given President Obama that much leeway, so you'll get none from me.

Have a Happy New Year, 99th_Monkey!

[99th_Monkey]

104. HINT: pointing out public official's flip-flops counter to pre-election positions is NOT an "attack"

it's being a responsible citizen.

Since you seem incapable of grasping this simple fact, I'd like to end this here, and
file it under "agree to disagree"

[BlueCaliDem]

106. I grasped it just fine.

And yeah, I don't blame you for wanting to file this subthread under "agree to disagree". You didn't exactly get the result you were hoping for - that is, coming out on top. I did.

I hope you and yours have a Happy New Year, 99th_Monkey.

[99th_Monkey]

108. Self-proclaimed 'victory' isn't 'coming out on top'

it's the forte of a poser, so no cigar from me.

but I wish you all the best for new year as well BlueCaliDem.

[BlueCaliDem]

112. All the best for 2016, too, 99th.

[Eleanors38]

66. FDR got a lot of votes. In the South. Howz that?

[rbrnmw]

70. Did you study American History?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

[Eleanors38]

76. Yes. So how did FDR get all those white folks to vote his way?

As a bonus: You think FDR should have rejected those voters? Even volunteered to lose?

Maybe you should study up on political theory?

[rbrnmw]

77. It was 80 years ago things were different

the democratic party courted racists in the south in that day and age

[Eleanors38]

82. So you think all that should be past us now?

That people can't be changed by politics, but instead relegated to pariah status so the rest can maintain some hermetically sealed purity? I don't buy it, if for no other reason than Democrats would become a somewhat notable 3rd Party in a two-party system.

I'll go you one better. I've said this for years now: If Democrats want to achieve power and enact progressive policies, they WILL talk to the Teapartyers.

[George II]

78. Unbelievable that you had to ask that question. You do realize that back in the 1930..

....things in America were completely different than they are today, both economically and politically and, might I add geopolitically.

[Eleanors38]

81. So we agree that FDR did appeal to folks who had very reprehensible beliefs.

Not so "unbelieveable" after all, is it?

[George II]

85. Well if you want to compartmentalize people like that, I guess you're "correct".

[Eleanors38]

86. The point is Not to compartmentalize, politics is requires outreach.

There are people who voted Democratic, even during the years the almighty Southern Strategy was spewed out, but who are not now voting that way. Themproblem was (and is) imo a refusal of the Party to strike back effectively. And again, imo, the main reason for this refusal was a conscious effort to run away from its past legacy of progressive and liberal policies for fear of losing financial support from business interests it was in competition for with the GOPers.

It seems some on this site are quite comfortable with "compartmentalizing" whole peoples and regions and writing them off for whatever "comfort level" they wish.

That ain't effective politics. FDR and LBJ knew that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

111. It would be nice if you addressed the poster's points instead of disrespecting and insulting him.

[BlueCaliDem]

2. Well, alls I can say is, if he can change a few minds to finally drop their bigotry and racism

in order to see how they're hurting their country and their fellow Americans, I say go for it.

But anyone even holding the tiniest hope he'll get them to back him is just whistling in the wind.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. For Sanders, social justice always takes a back seat.

Remember in 2014 he said racism in America is over and we should focus on income inequality and the economy.

[beam me up scottie]

9. Link to him saying racism is over? He did say we overcame it enough to elect a black president.

But he also said this:

Sanders: Charleston Shooting Reminder Of 'Ugly Stain Of Racism' In US

Presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on Thursday condemned the shooting at a historically black church in Charleston, S.C. as a "tragic reminder of the ugly stain of racism" tainting America.

"This senseless violence fills me with outrage, disgust and a deep, deep sadness," Sanders tweeted.

In a longer statement, the Democratic presidential contender said the killings, which were blamed on a white suspect whose victims included state Sen. Clementa Pinckney (D), showed that the U.S. had a long way to go in escaping its history of racial violence.

"The hateful killing of nine people praying inside a church is a horrific reminder that, while we have made significant progress in advancing civil rights in this country, we are far from eradicating racism," he said.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and their congregation," Sanders added.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charleston-shooting-bernie-sanders-racism

Sanders denounces racism, divisive politics of Trump in address to La Raza

U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016, addressed the annual convention of the National Council of La Raza on July 13, calling for comprehensive immigration reform and denouncing those who would divide Americans over race and national origin.

...

While “racism has plagued the United States since its inception,” Sanders said the nation has advanced. “We should be proud that in recent decades we have made real progress,” he said. But he cautioned that voices of division remain and must be forcefully rejected.

“Not Donald Trump, not anyone else will be successful in dividing us based on race or on our country of origin. America becomes a greater nation, a stronger nation, when we stand together as one people and in a loud and clear voice we say no to racism and bigotry,” Sanders said.

http://www.wisconsingazette.com/political/sanders-denounces-racism-divisive-politics-of-trump-in-address-to-la-raza.html

[roguevalley]

62. they don't have links or quotes that are

adequate. they have talking points. Very sad. Hugs, Beam.

[beam me up scottie]

68. Backatcha, rogue! They're desperate and it shows.

[Eleanors38]

74. It's called... The Narrative©®. It WILL be supported. That is all.

[hedda_foil]

4. Dear upaloopa, This is yesterday's outrage of the day. Today's meme should be in your inbox.

If you can't find it,check junk mail.

[Live and Learn]

65. +10,000 nt

[Eleanors38]

73. He needs to bring back Gunz©. That'll do the trick.

[Scootaloo]

6. Show me where Sanders is making appeals to racism, please

[Festivito]

7. Social justice might be what bigots need to quit being afraid and then quit being bigots.

His brand of social justice is exactly what he is selling.

[seabeyond]

8. Exactly. Which is what he has clearly said over the years and clearly said during this campaign.

He has stated more than once, the social issues have amde their advances. They are there yet, but they have moved forward. Middle class people though. That is the important issue we must focus on. Republicans, put wedge issues to the side. Look at how you are today and how your family is.

He clearly states what is important to him. Then we are told that we are not suppose to listen to him when he says this.

That leads me to believe that he says this for the Repug vote, and we the Dems are suppose to listen to another message.

That is not gonna fly.

[beam me up scottie]

13. "He has stated more than once, the social issues have amde their advances" Link?

[seabeyond]

15. I have a number of times. One would be his Wisconsin speech that was a first speech at the one hour

mark

[beam me up scottie]

20. I must have missed it, link to it again. Surely there's a transcript.

If Bernie said "the social issues have amde their advances" you think we would have heard about it.

Especially since he said we haven't overcome racism.

[seabeyond]

50. Google it. I am working.

[beam me up scottie]

52. Your claim, back it up.

[seabeyond]

56. You challenged. Google and prove me wrong. You have no interest but wasting people's time.

I gave you all the info on how to find ONE of the many times he has made the statement.

[beam me up scottie]

57. That's not how it works, if you want me to know you're not making it up prove it.

Otherwise it's just more baseless smears from a Hillary supporter who doesn't care about the truth.

[seabeyond]

59. That is how it works bmus. I do not have to play your game.

[beam me up scottie]

60. Okay, made it up it is then. Thanks for playing!

[SwampG8r]

99. That's exactly how it works

Link or slink
You made the claim back it up

[seabeyond]

107. All the information is there. You are not willing to gather it. I prefer to educate myself prior

arguing, or accusing link or slink, on a discussion board where people do not really care, and mostly doing it to waste others time.

First speech, in Wisconsin, one hour and 15 minute speech. Start at the one hour mark.

[SwampG8r]

109. No link means you slink

By making the absurd claim you made you placed the burden of proof on yourself
Its just honest debating and common logic.

[seabeyond]

110. "No link means you slink". We are not baggers or rw'ers. Slink? No.

I am not reducing all this to adolescent taunts.

Truly. Someone was very kind to mention it immediately after that first speech. I listened. It was illuminating and also, informative.

If you want to watch, simply to better understand, you will do it. I am not trying to win shit with you, in some sort of conversational.... what? Battle?

No.

[el_bryanto]

64. Looking for examples

Despite major advances in civil and political rights, our country still has a long way to go in addressing the issue of gender inequality. Many of the achievements that have been made for women’s rights in the 20th century have been under attack by the Republican party — denying women control over their own bodies, preventing access to vital medical and social services, and blocking equal pay for equal work.

When it comes to the rights of women, we cannot go backwards. We have got to go forward.

Bernie Sanders Website on the issue of Fighting for Women's rights.

On Wednesday, July 1, Bernie Sanders drew a record-breaking crowd of 10,000 people to the Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Madison, Wisconsin. It was the biggest turnout any presidential candidate has seen so far in the run-up to the 2016 elections.The wildly enthusiastic crowd shows how hungry people are for a true progressive politics. Bernie started his speech by making fun of state Republicans who put up a billboard calling him an “extremist,” and he riffed on what extremism really means.

Denying workers collective bargaining rights is extremism, Bernie said. “When you tell a woman she cannot control her own body, that’s extremism,” he continued. And, “when you think a woman is a child and can’t purchase contraceptives, that’s extremism,” he added.

Two of his top three examples related to women’s reproductive rights

This is an account from the Wisconsin speech you are referencing - it doesn't seem to support your thesis.

Perhaps you are referring to his stance on race. Again from his website.

We must pursue policies to transform this country into a nation that affirms the value of its people of color. That starts with addressing the five central types of violence waged against black, brown and indigenous Americans: physical, political, legal, economic and environmental.

That seems pretty comprehensive; he does reference those Americans killed by the police by the name.

Sandra Bland, Michael Brown, Rekia Boyd, Eric Garner, Walter Scott, Freddie Gray, Jessica Hernandez, Tamir Rice, Jonathan Ferrell, Oscar Grant, Antonio Zambrano-Montes, Samuel DuBose and Anastacio Hernandez-Rojas. We know their names. Each of them died unarmed at the hands of police officers or in police custody. The chants are growing louder. People are angry and they have a right to be angry. We should not fool ourselves into thinking that this violence only affects those whose names have appeared on TV or in the newspaper.

On LGBT Issues?

The United States has made remarkable progress on gay rights in a relatively short amount of time. But there is still much work to be done.

In many states, it is still legal to fire someone for being gay. It is legal to deny someone housing for being transgender. That is unacceptable and must change. We must end discrimination in all forms.

Sen. Sanders is currently a cosponsor of the Equality Act, which would expand the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and other anti-discrimination laws to include protections for sexual orientation and gender identity.

I guess if you cut off the quote at the first sentence it would support your position; but it seems like it would be a distortion of his actual position. I'm just not seeing the quotes in which he says we've solved social issues.

Bryant

[beam me up scottie]

67. Outstanding research!

Bookmarking it for the next time that lie is floated here.

[redstateblues]

10. The 30% of Republicans that support Trump

believe that Obama is an illegitimate President as well as being a Kenyan Muslim who is secretly trying to destroy America. Polling has confirmed that a number of times. We don't need that bunch to win. The idea that they will embrace a self avowed Democratic Socialist is a foolish notion.

[BainsBane]

11. Some of his supporters claim the media lies about Trump

The Media Needs to Stop Telling This Lie About Donald Trump
I’m a Sanders supporter — and value honesty

Trump's words on Mexicans have been misconstrued by all sides. This liberal, Puerto Rican professor says enough

By Alberto A. Martinez


December 23, 2015 "Information Clearing House" - It’s time to start cleaning up the mess of misinterpretations about Donald Trump.

Back in June, I first saw Mr. Trump announcing his candidacy for president. What he said about unauthorized immigrants seemed ridiculous so I laughed. I showed the video to friends, and I laughed again. His words were poorly chosen.

But something worse happened. People interpreted Trump’s words in the most awful and offensive ways. . .
There are two kinds of deportations: some are caught near the border and “returned,” others are “removed” by a court order. Consider the border patrol agents, personnel, the bureaucracy, the lawyers, the resources needed to find people and deport them. How many were deported in 2014?

One of my friends guessed 3,000. Another guessed 10,000. Another guessed 50,000—which would really be a lot of people, imagine.

Actually, in fiscal year 2014, the U.S. deported a total of 893,238 foreigners! That’s a huge number. It includes 577,295 deported by the Department of Homeland Security, plus 315,943 deported by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Among the latter, 2,802 were classified as suspected or confirmed gang members.

Since 1990, the average is 1.2 million deportations per year. The highest in U.S. history was 1.86 million foreigners deported in the year 2000. That’s astonishing.

How many were criminals?

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?1405-The-Media-Needs-to-Stop-Telling-This-Lie-About-Donald-Trump

Clinton is a "corporatist," GOP-lite, completely unacceptable, but poor Trump is misunderstood.

[99th_Monkey]

18. Nobody supporting Sanders is voting for Trump, or supporting Trump in any way

all this Hillarian noise on DU about what Sanders said is pure hyperbolic nonsense.

It betrays a fear about Sanders' uncanny ability to appeal to a very broad swath of
the American electorate, who are pissed-off and sick & tired of being lied to, manipulated
and having their pockets picked by Establishment politics-as-usual .. probably because
Hillary is part of that problem, not a solution to it like Sanders.

[BainsBane]

24. The linked author is not a "Hillarian" but a Sanders supporter

It is an article posted on a site dedicated to promoting Sanders, written by someone who feels compelled to try to redeem Trump. Clinton did not make him write that article. Additionally, there is no conceivable way you can know how each and every Sanders supporter will end up voting in the general election.

I'm really sick of being told I as a Clinton supporter am responsible for everything every Sanders supporter says and does. People are responsible for their own words and actions.

We've been told that Hillary is too "Republican," yet those same people somehow have no objection with their candidate's explicit efforts to appeal to the furthest right elements of the GOP.

[99th_Monkey]

28. I'm sorry.

No, I mean it. I was actually responding to your comment at the bottom of your very long post, that were your words, not the author of the linked article. I actually agree with you that the linked article is bothersome.

I don't agree with that sentiment at all; but then that is NOT Sanders, it is someone on an anonymous blog claiming to be a Sanders supporter, which anyone can claim for whatever reasons -- and occasionally the reasons are nefarious. But i see why you posted it and agree it is uncool.

[BainsBane]

33. The author is not anonymous

He identifies himself as a tenured professor at UT Austin, a disclosure that causes me great sadness. His identify is easily verified. How he deems discussion about Trump's comments about Mexicans as relevant in his courses on the history of science escapes me. But then he has tenure, so he clearly feels he can do whatever he wants.

[99th_Monkey]

37. OK

I'm troubled by it as well. The other reason you got the first reply from me the way it came out wrong was because it's posted under an OP with which you seem to agree and which I feel is also troublesome, but for entirely different reasons.

I think you post would be better as a stand-alone OP, and would be happy to repeat my concern about it there --as I have here. I honestly think it deserves to be an OP so it can be discussed separate from the acrimony on this particular thread. Just my take, for what it's worth.

[randys1]

29. It is a big concern. Not because Bernie would adopt the thinking of a racist or bigot

who supported him, but ALL politicians MUST defer to some degree the desires of who "brought em".

For a Cruz or Rubio, that is teaparty folks who hate the government (unless of course it is any one of dozens of examples where said tepartier DESPERATELY relies on said government) and who HATE all non white xtians.

Same type of people who end up supporting Bernie will withold support if Bernie does those things we count on him to do in the social arena.

[BainsBane]

34. Yes

I agree. It also makes virtually no sense in terms of the Democratic nomination. Those are GOP voters, who presumably are dedicated enough to Trump to vote for him in primaries. They would have to change party registration to vote for Sanders. Any crossover appeal would be most relevant in the general election, and I don't see how this gets Sanders there.

[Eleanors38]

69. LBJ carried Florida in 64, pre-Voting Rights Act. It was that wave of liberal...

Crackers!



THEN, he pushed for the VRA. All those Crackers whispering in his ear: "Back voting rights." Makes perfect sense.

[Chitown Kev]

113. +100,000

[randys1]

114. This new idea I have of ignoring people here at DU who have nothing in common with me

as I am a liberal, etc.

If you know what I mean, not you of course.

It lowers my blood pressure.

[Bobbie Jo]

26. Wow

[freshwest]

91. LOL@the donkey's ears! He defended HRC, but Trump encourages violence and

Trump doesn't need any one standing up for him when he's so horribly regressive that he'd help assault people, at least that's what he said about the BLM guy. I don't think that Sanders really wants to help Trump.

I've talked to the hispanic part of my family down south and they are eager to stop Trump, even it means his voters turn to Sanders. Who they are not impressed by.

Because to them, any vote for Trump is a vote against discrimination of hispanics. That's how much they hate Trump's rhetoric. No love for Jeb!, Cruz, etc. in the clown car, either.

[mcar]

30. Oh my

HRC is a corporatist, turd way shill who is not progressive enough, but Trump's supporters are just okey dokey cause redemption.

[BainsBane]

35. Not just his supporters

But catepillar head himself.

?w=640&h=1259

[mcar]

36. He's just misunderstood

Bless his heart.

[freshwest]

92. Looks like an asp caterpillar. n/t

[zappaman]

39. WTF?

How any Democrat could be an apologist for that piece of shit is beyond me.

[George II]

46. Sorry state of affairs, and amazing who bashes Clinton but sticks up for Trump, eh?

[roguevalley]

63. no on is. Have a nice day.

[BainsBane]

93. The piece I linked to demonstrates otherwise.

[Eleanors38]

75. Oh! My blowing bung! Thanks for that relief.

[Sheepshank]

79. I'm not surprised it shows up on a pro Bernie site

Bernie supporters are all over DU explaining the nobleness of inviting Trump supporters to be a part of Bernie's team.

There have been plenty of us that have condemned that invitation based in part on who the Trumpeteers have been supporting. We collectively have condemned Trumps inflammatory, mysoginistic, homophobic, Islamaphobic comments and the fact that it takes a certain type of follower to want to be represented by Trump. Those types of persons should be shunned and not embraced.

It's disheartening to see Dems condemn Hillary supporters, Hillary endorsers and even the DNC, while embracing that asshole Trump and his supporters. I was called and anti Semite today on DU because I spoke out against this warm embrace of Trump supporters. Bernie is truly on his way to dismantling the Democratic Party.

But it no longer reflects the Bernie supporter narrative that Tump is nasty,. If Bernie wants to woo those types of Republicans and in order to make Trump Republicans seem more palatable, Trump has to seem palatable. It serves many a Bernie supporter to make Trump seem somewhat appealing and simply misunderstood. The reality is that it's sickening.

[BainsBane]

87. How does dislike for Trump and his supporters make you an anti-semite?

Was their any pretense of logic to the charge?

[Sheepshank]

88. It doesn't, but it was important for this poster to throw out the false insinuation

Of course it's a fucking lie....but when has that stopped this Bernie supporter from making unfounded accusations?

Starts at post #16
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=958709

[BainsBane]

89. The old saying about people in glass houses

comes to mind.

[Punkingal]

14. And Hillary wouldn't take any voters that come her way?

This is a ridiculous op.

[beam me up scottie]

16. Hillary supported a ban on late term abortions and pandered to Rick Warren to get votes.

She also ran a racist campaign against Obama, are we supposed to choose her over Bernie ?

[restorefreedom]

17. so if he convinces some trump supporters and some liberty students

that he has the right ideas for economic justice, those are EARNED votes. those people should vote for him and he should welcome it.

pretending to hold a position or pov (also known as pandering) to trick a vote is nasty politics. but that does not apply to bernie. he won't be changing his positions to suit his voters, they will be changing THEIR positions to be in line with him.

thats the honorable way to change minds and win votes. he is doing it right.

its the post that is disingenuous, not bernie, and everyone here can see it.

[99th_Monkey]

21. +10 n/t

[libdem4life]

23. Right Wingers are not bigots, et al. I know many of them and some I call family. And yes, they

care about the plight of the middle class. They care about not having a say in their lives, due to not being rich. In the past, RWers have voted against their own needs. Why? Because neither party provided an option. To quote Bernie...Oligarchy.

Yes, I believe some Republicans are tired of being the silent and disappearing Middle Class. Some may, in fact be white, Mexican, Muslim, Jewish, Asian...Poor does not mean stupid or minority by any means. If they see that Bernie has their best interests at heart, they would be ill-advised not to vote for him.

Money is green. Jobs keep families together. Trump is the bigot. RWers just want someone To Do Something. I mean, look at their pathetic options?

At least we have two solid candidates.

[BainsBane]

27. At least they aren't Clinton supporters

"corporatists," "camp weathervane." That would be unacceptable, whereas the racists and hatemongers who are Trump supporters, not the typical right-wingers but too hateful for even the GOP, are okay and so superior to life-long Democrats.

[redstateblues]

58. I'll bet the people you are talking about are not Trump supporters

Trump only has 30% or so of RWs. I maintain that most of trumps' supporters are racists and homophobes. Polling data shows that of RWs 30% believe that Obama is an illegitimate President, that he is a secret Muslim born in Kenya. Trump was the leader of the birthers, a bunch of racists.

[libdem4life]

83. You know, I think we should not criticize any group or fate of birth or early imprinting or

any thing or one else. A vote is just a vote. One person in a booth making choices...between s/he and their own conscience. I see no reason why a Liberty University student should or should not vote for Bernie. A vote is a vote. And I've seen Latino groups get behind Trump. So? Must mean we're human and subject to our own peculiar thoughts and feelings.

And where felons can vote, why should not anyone go there, too. Then there's the brothel in Nevada...they vote, or can vote.

I think this is about the most absurd topic I've seen on DU. Voting PC.

[okasha]

95. So who's working the Nevada brothels for Bernie?

Just curious.

[libdem4life]

97. The point was intentionally absurd. .

people cannot so easily be dismissed. But to answer your question, going to guess not HRC. and Jane is in, so it. does leave Trump.

Every vote counts. That is all

[NCTraveler]

25. Immigration Reform.

"It's as if social justice is a take it or leave it proposition to him."

You don't need to hedge that comment.

[MohRokTah]

31. K&R for telling the truth about this horrible corrupt man. eom

[Romulox]

32. Reality: EVERY ONE of DU's most conservative posters backs Hillary. Tax-protesters, warmongers,

Wall Street shills, etc. EVERY ONE of them.

[MrWendel]

40. These talking ponts...

never get old. Never change. lol

[Romulox]

41. Nobody issues "talking points" about DU's conservatives. It's just observed reality. nt

[MrWendel]

42. Uh huh...

Says the group telling us all that Trump supporters are misunderstood and need love and understanding. lol

[Romulox]

44. I am a person, not a "group". Are you confused as to whom your comments are directed?

[MrWendel]

48. OH...

We not doing groups now? I see so then you know that I am not a conservative shill then. Just wanted to clear that up. I hope your able to point out every conservative on this site as well.

[Romulox]

49. I don't know who you are, and don't care. I am discussing issues, not your personality. nt

[MrWendel]

51. Every...

conservative on DU supports Hillary. So I assume you know who ever conservative on this site is then. Glad to know you wouldn't think of accusing me though.

[Romulox]

54. The only person here who wants to talk about you is you. nt

[MrWendel]

90. I believe that...

ladies and gents is what we call a dodge.

[Qutzupalotl]

38. Bernie's message to Donald Trump:

[backscatter712]

45. You're not doing Her Highness any favors by posting these pathetic smears. n/t

[riversedge]

84. Name calling such as you did is so shallow and petty and shameful.

[HassleCat]

53. You have to keep in mind

Not everybody who supports Trump is a racist bigot, homophobe, xenophobe, etc. Some people are Trumpers because they don't know where to turn. A small number of them could be peeled off by a progressive candidate, and that's what Sanders is trying to do.

[TheBlackAdder]

55. And this is a bad thing?

.


I thought the goal was to get a Dem in the White House?


What better way than to redirect the misguided frustrations, and the biases of Trump supporters towards liberalism?


===


Every vote that goes to a Dem is one less for a GOPer.

The diehard bigots won't switch, who will are the people on the fence, who are swayed by their plights.


Besides, one day, they'll wake up to having Democrat liberalism, and those concepts might form a political conversion within them. Also, if one is swayed to liberal viewpoints, they might bring others along. Their other biased views might change too. The key is to get them out of their GOP bubble, so they can freely think. It's better than GWB's practice of exclusion.


.

[djean111]

71. I don't think logic is in play here.

[Eleanors38]

72. How did you get in DU? You have to be pure. You can't appeal to...

...peoples' better nature or, heaven forbid, try to change their minds. No way. We'll have none of that here!

[Logical]

94. Maybe the silliest post this election season. LOL! Nt

[libdem4life]

98. Hear, Hear. I believe the economy message is what is cutting across all levels of

those who are not Oligarchs...the 99% .

Bernie said at Liberty University, I know there are a lot of things we don't agree on (that's putting it incredibly mildly)he mentioned them, and went right to his point with that audience. He was well accepted.

In fact, a Pastor who heard him came unenthusiasticly just because he was there.. He ended up writing an incredibly long essay on how the Jewish, rough-haired, candidate came to them talking about the "little people". He said he was in tears, as these were words and mission of Jesus....to bring good news to the poor and the downtrodden. He likened him to John the Baptist...preaching in the wilderness...it was an amazing long read. He made other parallels that were pretty interesting. He also mentioned another document from Jesus...about blessed are the poor in spirit for they shall be filled, hungry children, etc. Jesus said, Bring the little children to me for thus is the Kingdom of Heaven. He excoriated the pampered rich (the 1%) and noted the Widow's Mite (like a penny) in the plate while the rich were parading around in their finery and importance in the temple.

I'm going to bet that he makes that point at his school and Bernie gets some votes there, while people here were criticizing him for even going. Same with the Trump voters...they are people and have needs. They also criticized Jesus for going to eat with a Tax Collector (a known crook). But he fended them off.

[LostOne4Ever]

96. Which is why he supported DOMA right? Wait he didn't, that was Clinton...

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Clinton is the one with a record of throwing social issues under the bus for political expediency...not the other two candidates.[/font]

[KingCharlemagne]

102. she also threw 1,000,000 INNOCENT Iraqis under the bus for

political expedience.

[Gothmog]

105. Again, Sanders is failing to win support from POC and so has to look for support in other places

[riversedge]

115. "looking for love in all the wrong places"

I know that lyric but forget where or who from

[Gothmog]

116. This is an admission that Sanders is not able to appeal to POC

Sanders has failed to broaden his appeal beyond his current base and is getting desperate