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Debbie Wasserman Schultz Under Fire for Comments About Young WomenBy BENJAMIN SIEGEL - ABCNews
Jan 7, 2016, 10:56 AM ET
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Progressives and pro-choice activists are criticizing Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for saying she's seen "complacency" among young women born after the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade Supreme Court ruling, a landmark decision that established the right to an abortion.
"Heres what I see: a complacency among the generation of young women whose entire lives have been lived after Roe v. Wade was decided," she told The New York Times in an interview.
The abortion rights group Reproaction encouraged supporters to use the hashtag "DearDebbie" to respond to Wasserman Schultz's comments.
reproaction (@reproaction) January 6, 2016
#DearDebbie, pls stop treating us like fools. Btw, young & unmarried women were key in 2012. Does the DNC want our vote in 2016? @DWStweets
Oryza Astari (@astaristarry) January 7, 2016
#DearDebbie as a young woman surrounded by forms of student activism I find it disappointing that you feel young women are complacent. 1/2
Rosie Driscoll (@_rosiedriscoll) January 7, 2016
Kierra Johnson, the executive director of Unite for Reproductive and Gender Equity, an abortion rights group, suggested young people view women's health issues from a different perspective.
"There is energy among young people around these issues -- it just may not be happening in the way that Rep. Wasserman Shultz is used to seeing," she said in a statement. "The young people that are drawn into this movement today don't see reproductive justice as wholly separate from LGBTQ equality or from racial justice or economic justice or a host of other issues."
Some progressives, unhappy with Wasserman Schultz's leadership of the DNC, used the controversy to call for her resignation...
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Link: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/debbie-wasserman-schultz-fire-comments-young-women/story?id=36141971
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelle-noehren/dnc-chair-wrong-about-you_b_8924970.html
And...
#DearDebbie, Millennial Women Aren't 'Complacent' About Reproductive Rights
"Does waking up at 5 AM to clinic escort make me complacent?"
Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dear-debbie-millennial-women-arent-complacent-about-reproductive-rights_568e83ebe4b0c8beacf5de15
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)then again, its who she is....ll.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The party has kept young people totally out in the cold since 1972, even though the Nixon landslide was solely due to the Dirty Tricks squad and the China trip.
We will lose in the fall if we once again campaign like voters over 55 are the only ones we should care about. And I say that as a 55 year old.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Thank heavens my granddaughters and their friends are savvy and are voting for Bernie.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)agrees with you.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)My first presidential vote was 1968.
The "young people" of 1972 are grandparents now, and we have not lost our memory. The "young people" of today have no direct memory of those times because it was before they were even thought of.
I have done enough voter registration at protest actions to recognize complacency when I see it. "No I won't register to vote because I don't want to feed the beast." "I'm not a feminist, because we have everything we want now and feminists are harsh and bitter and don't shave their legs, and I'm not that." "I won't vaccinate my baby because polio has disappeared and there's no harm in measles." "America is post-racial. Having a black president is all the proof we need."
Young voters aren't being shut out or ignored by Democrats -- but if you want your voice to be heard, you have to show up.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Not a good strategy for getting them to turn out to vote.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Which happens to be a swing state.
Punx
(474 posts)Or Washington for that matter.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Still, going by electoral college logic, they can probably take the West Coast for granted (not that they should).. CO, not so much.
Punx
(474 posts)But I for one am tired of being taken for granted. I'm furious at my local Democratic Rep for voting for TPA. Being liberal here on social issues is easy, standing up to money and power, and being for the little guy, not so much. I expect more.
DWS is a great example of this, and can't even get the social part right.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)pnwmom
(110,261 posts)because young women don't respond to it.
I think that IS a sign of complacency -- that they can't imagine the idea of a world where they have no choice. Where abortions are legal nowhere, and even birth control is hard to obtain.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/us/politics/advocates-shun-pro-choice-to-expand-message.html
Nor, they add, does it speak to a new generation of young women, who tell pollsters that they reject political labels not least one that dates back four decades, to the Supreme Courts Roe v. Wade decision that established a constitutional right to abortion.
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The labels weve always used about pro-choice and pro-life theyre outdated and they dont mean anything, said Janet Colm, 62, president of Planned Parenthood Action Fund of Central North Carolina, as she prepared to take several younger women to a summer protest at the legislature in Raleigh. I used to be a one-issue voter pro-choice but I think most younger people today arent.
No pithy phrase has replaced pro-choice. Activists talk mainly of womens health and economic security, usually with policy specifics.
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senz
(11,945 posts)Several decades ago I argued this point with fellow NOW members. Pro-choice means the decision to take a pregnancy to term, or not, is entirely up to the pregnant woman. It is HER choice, no one else's. That is the crux of the matter, afaic.
A nice twist on it that I used to use with the antichoice crowd at abortion rights rallies: they'd start one of their little stories about a woman pregnant in bad circumstances with a fetus that might have birth defects, and then they'd ask me if I thought the woman should have an abortion. Of course they expected me to say "yes," after which they could inform me that the fetus turned out to be some illustrious person from history. However, I always told them that it was entirely up to the woman. If she wanted the baby, regardless of birth defects, etc., then she should have it. If not, not. Because that is what pro-choice means.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)that she's richly deserving of the nickname "Debbie Downer"?
And, she seems totally out of touch--likely too focused on being a Clinton sycophant. I hope she's gone soon. She is NOT helping our party.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Surprised she was appointed in the first place.. The current leadership in the Dem party expects liberals to shell out donations and and show up at the polls but when is the last time we got a liberal appointment?
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)As an old lady, I remember clearly what it was like for young women before Roe v. Wade. It was scary. Girls and women had to secretly get names of individuals (most not doctors) who would perform an abortion -- usually in very unprofessional, often unclean, locations. They had to bring cash. They had no guarantee of a good outcome. Some hemorrhaged and went to emergency rooms -- or just died. Some went got very ill with infections. Many were maimed and unable to bear children after the abortion. Too many died.
Some women tried to abort themselves with long thin metal objects such as wire coat hangers, or they threw themselves downstairs, rode a horse at a gallop for hours, took poisonous potions, etc. They were desperate. They knew they might die. It was a helpless, scary feeling.
It was scary.
If you can stand to look at it, here is an iconic photo that most of us have seen of a young woman, mother of two, who died in a motel room of a self-induced abortion (click on the blank frame to see the iconic image)
https://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/gerri-santoros-abortion/
Many of us heard about girls who died from it. A few qualified for a "therapeutic abortion" but the process could take so long that the pregnancy was far more advanced by the time they had it, which also makes a physical and emotional difference.
It was a scary time to be a woman.
Few if any of us remember the Great Depression, but the children and grandchildren of those who went through it went on spending sprees the 1980s and 90s like there's no tomorrow. Young women today do not know how serious and frightening it is to live in a time when abortion is illegal. How can they? It's just not real to them.
pnwmom
(110,261 posts)She said that she'd talk to women who said they were "pro life" but when she questioned further found they were definitely pro-choice. But their feeling is they wouldn't want an abortion themselves. (Of course no one knows exactly how she'll feel about it until she finds herself in an unplanned or otherwise unfortunate pregnancy.)
But these women are lining up with the pro-life people, with no apparent awareness that they're helping others who want to take their own future choice away.
It's scary.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Let's hear you thoughts on the matter. Politics aside.
senz
(11,945 posts)without having to answer questions if he doesn't feel like it.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)"America is now a post-racial society" = "Black people aren't being attacked with fire-hoses en masse and shaming the rest of us, but being killed one by one."
It goes on. "I don't want those poisons injected into my baby's body" = "I've never even seen a child crippled from polio, much less one blinded by complications from mumps."
And yes, I've met some of each, and yes, they tend to be young.
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