2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWe once had a female Bernie run for President. 1972. Her name was Shirley Chisholm.
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A black woman with Bernies passion, who called for a bloodless revolution, ran for the Democratic nomination for President in 1972 and lost to George McGovern (and several other men), who went on to lose 49 states to Richard Nixon. This woman was Shirley Chisholm.
Shirley said that it she faced more discrimination running for Congress in NY, and later for President, as a woman than as a black person. She survived three assassination attempts during her run.
Older women saw what happened to Shirley and are well aware of the discrimination that any woman must overcome.
Still.
Even today if Bernie were Bernice, he wouldn't have had a chance.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-15/advice-for-hillary-clinton-on-campaigning-as-a-woman
Representative Terri Sewell, the Alabama Democrat, recalls interviewing the pioneering New York congresswoman and presidential candidate Shirley Chisholm for her senior Princeton thesis in 1986. When she asked whether it had been harder running as an African American or as a woman, Chisholm said the latter was unequivocally more challenging. And in Sewell's own experience, thats as true today as it was when she told me that 30 years ago!
From Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Chisholm
1972 presidential campaign[edit]
In 1972, Chisholm became the first black major-party candidate to run for President of the United States, in the 1972 U.S. presidential election, making her also the first woman ever to run for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.[2] During the campaign, she survived three assassination attempts.[22] At the Democratic Convention, she won 152 first-ballot votes.[2][23] Decades later, observers would credit Chisholm's 1972 campaign as paving the way for both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in their bids for the presidency in 2008.[3]
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She also struggled to be regarded as a serious candidate instead of as a symbolic political figure;[12] she was ignored by much of the Democratic political establishment and received little support from her black male colleagues.[3] Many headlines constructed Chisholm as an emasculating matriarch with headlines such as the Boston Globes Rep. Shirley Chisholm outflanks her black political brothers.[24] She later reiterated, "When I ran for the Congress, when I ran for president, I met more discrimination as a woman than for being black. Men are men."[9] In particular, she expressed frustration about the "black matriarch thing", saying, "They think I am trying to take power from them. The black man must step forward, but that doesn't mean the black woman must step back."[6] Her husband, however, was fully supportive of her candidacy and said, "I have no hangups about a woman running for president."[13]
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)pnwmom
(109,006 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Logically speaking, if Shirley = Bernie and you love Shirley then you must love Bernie.
pnwmom
(109,006 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)pnwmom
(109,006 posts)And I am older, and wiser.
Wise enough to know the deck is still stacked against women, and Bernice today still wouldn't have had a chance -- significantly less of a chance than Bernie.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)But, I would still pick Bernice over Hillary.
pnwmom
(109,006 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)counterpart is named Bernie and not Hillary.
pnwmom
(109,006 posts)Gloria Steinum endorsed Shirley then and is endorsing Hillary now. She doesn't think Bernie is more Shirley's counterpart.
(And she didn't endorse Elizabeth Dole, so she's not endorsing Hillary "just" because she's a woman.)
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I am more of a womanist than a feminist and Steinem and her ilk don't give a rats butt about poor women or women of color unless they have enough green in the bank.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Vote for Hillary because she's not Henry?
I'm not sure what the message is here, can someone help me out?
Are we not supposed to vote for the person we think is the best candidate regardless of gender?
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Chisholm was an awesome person (true) who faced a lot of discrimination over forty years ago (true), not just because she was black, but because she was female (true). Therefore, the reason people prefer Bernie to Hillary is because Bernie's male and Hillary's female (false).
The notion that people don't want to vote for Hillary for any reason other than her gender appears to be beyond the grasp of some.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hillary doesn't have my support because imo she hasn't done anything to deserve it. She's a wealthy white woman who took advantage of her husband's political clout to get where she is and nothing like Shirley who had to fight tooth and nail for her place in a racist, sexist old boys club.
This is just another lame attempt to paint Bernie supporters as sexists because ... reasons.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Hillary is female, a registered Democrat, and once represented New York. That's where the similarities between her and Chisholm begin and end. Hillary's gender means nothing to me, pro or con. Her policies suck and she's not trustworthy. That's why I don't support her.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Next thing you know someone will compare Hillary to the Virgin Mary.
Oh, wait, someone already did.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Ellen Forradalom
(16,160 posts)I read a biography of her at age 9. I was solidly for Shirley, then backed McGovern.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)a true hero of mine,that is for sure!!!!