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2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Most ELECTABLE Option: Bernie Sanders
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Another fun fact: The Mock Election poll conducted by Western Illinois University, which has a perfect track record of correctly predicting who the next Presidential winner will be, dating back to the 1970s, just recently came out. Guess who was the winner?
Another obvious reason why Sanders is the best option, for anyone wanting to see the GOP not take the White House again, is the matter of voter turnout.
When voter turnout is high (1960, 1976, 1992, 2008) the Democrats always win the election. Similarly, Democrats usually and routinely lose the Mid-Term Elections because they typically fail to come out and show up at the polls (voter turnout is very low) as a result of what they see as a list of broken promises and lack of a clear and compelling message.
It is not hard to understand this. The wealthy, rich, organized interests in this Country can only be defeated by a very large turnout coming from ordinary, average Americans who want to drive real political and social change.
That can only happen when voters are truly inspired, and have an actual reason to be inspired. As evidenced by the historic crowd sizes that attend the rallies of Bernie Sanders (which dwarf all other candidates), record voter turnouts will not be happening with yet another face of the Establishment candidate who most people instinctively recognize as being scripted, phony, and uninspiring. Furthermore the Establishment candidates almost often have a track record and history that directly contradicts their campaign promises and rhetoric.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/11/1468205/-The-Most-ELECTABLE-Option-Bernie-Sanders
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The Most ELECTABLE Option: Bernie Sanders (Original Post)
Segami
Jan 2016
OP
"..If there is one thing that Independents, and Republican voters like and respect is strength...
Segami
Jan 2016
#1
Establishments Types Have To Ababa Dibble Around The Edges So They Don't Screw Up Their Money
CorporatistNation
Jan 2016
#2
Well now, if The View says it, I may HAVE to reconsider MY support for HILLARY Clinton.
George II
Jan 2016
#3
Clinton puts the White House at risk, Sanders will win back the senate on his coattails
Betty Karlson
Jan 2016
#7
Segami
(14,923 posts)1. "..If there is one thing that Independents, and Republican voters like and respect is strength...
"....Establishment Democrats usually fail that test, because they are trying too hard to straddle some fine, incomprehensible line between conservative and progressive policies. The result is that they do not appear to stand for anything. And even their so-called reforms are merely an unimaginative tinkering around with a few taxes, or regulations, or gimmicks which can always be ignored by the wealthy anyway.
So there is no big theme, no big idea, no compelling message, no reason to be inspired. Thus, given a choice between a candidate that isn't saying much of anything, and a candidate that sounds bold Americans will most often go for the bolder candidate. This is why the GOP wins most elections. They are wrong about everything, but they are also clear, bold ..and people see that they arent tinkering around. Thats the part that people like.
Bernie Sanders message is as bold and strong as they come. Like successful GOP messaging, Sanders assigns blame very clearly - but not misdirected on ethnic groups and the unfortunate. Bernie Sanders message identifies and directs the blame on squarely the Oligarchical economic powers that have ruined this Country, and the failed and corrupt policies that we have been getting for the last 40+ years. And his solutions are rooted in an extension of the popular FDR-agenda that made this Country great, and with Sanders there is no tinkering around, double-talk, or cheap gimmicks. Sanders policy is real policy, that works.
Voters of all stripes instinctively understand that the game is tilted, and that the deck is tacked against them. They get that. But only a big message can inspire, and Sanders has the message is big, can really inspire, and attract new voters, the independents, and also even some disaffected GOP voters...."
So there is no big theme, no big idea, no compelling message, no reason to be inspired. Thus, given a choice between a candidate that isn't saying much of anything, and a candidate that sounds bold Americans will most often go for the bolder candidate. This is why the GOP wins most elections. They are wrong about everything, but they are also clear, bold ..and people see that they arent tinkering around. Thats the part that people like.
Bernie Sanders message is as bold and strong as they come. Like successful GOP messaging, Sanders assigns blame very clearly - but not misdirected on ethnic groups and the unfortunate. Bernie Sanders message identifies and directs the blame on squarely the Oligarchical economic powers that have ruined this Country, and the failed and corrupt policies that we have been getting for the last 40+ years. And his solutions are rooted in an extension of the popular FDR-agenda that made this Country great, and with Sanders there is no tinkering around, double-talk, or cheap gimmicks. Sanders policy is real policy, that works.
Voters of all stripes instinctively understand that the game is tilted, and that the deck is tacked against them. They get that. But only a big message can inspire, and Sanders has the message is big, can really inspire, and attract new voters, the independents, and also even some disaffected GOP voters...."
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)2. Establishments Types Have To Ababa Dibble Around The Edges So They Don't Screw Up Their Money
people...
Its all about pretending to be progressive but never actually accomplishing anything so that the status quo is inevitably maintained.
Any accomplishments are ONLY from a social perspective... NEVER threatening the issues de Economique'! Dat IS Da "Game" for them.
George II
(67,782 posts)3. Well now, if The View says it, I may HAVE to reconsider MY support for HILLARY Clinton.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)4. Recent polling supports it as well.
Bernie does better against the Republicans. Period.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)7. Clinton puts the White House at risk, Sanders will win back the senate on his coattails
and maybe even the house...
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)8. Agree
Segami
(14,923 posts)6. Hmm...lets see now,..
millisecond over.....ding, ding, ding.....go right ahead!
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)5. He is the only legitimate candidate in this race everyone else is bought and paid for.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)9. "There is something not Genuine about her (Clinton)."
That's the crux of it. She's an old-school slick politician who wants power for powers sake.
Uncle Joe
(65,127 posts)10. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Segami.