2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders was behind in Iowa until his campaign accessed sensitive data from the Clinton side
One month later, he has caught up.
What are the lessons we can teach our kids from this? Lincoln was "Honest Abe". What about Sanders?
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-breach-217019
All of [the data] is extremely valuable; it is work produced by tens of thousands of volunteers," Benenson said, adding that "it is part of a road map to how we are running and strategizing in our campaign and how we get to the totals we need to win in Iowa and New Hampshire, especially,
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)me too. Hillarians are getting to be more and more hilarious.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)I see why they do it now,so much easier than actually forming an actual argument isn't it ....
But seriously , this OP is pure comedy gold .
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)My friend. Hillary is on the run.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ybbor
(1,554 posts)edgineered
(2,101 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Hey you, stop looking at that bag of hillary-favoring biased poll results behind the curtain...we don't speak of those here...
Is it bad that I want to rec this just to get it into the spotlight, so others can see this absurdity?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)in Iowa and New Hampshire....
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That's my take on it too.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)with the most heinous accusations and overreaching countermeasures.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Notice the convenient timing of the attacks on Jane?
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)I also noticed Mrs Sanders has never supported DADT, DOMA, the repeal of Glass-Steagall, or extraordinary rendition: all thing sthat Mrs. Clinton's husband not only supported, but downright signed into law...
merrily
(45,251 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)snoringvoter
(178 posts)I am not a Clinton supporter, and I never subscribed to anything but Bernie.
Krytan11c
(271 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)The caller apologized and said something like "Maybe you were for her in 2008". Nope!
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Funny how that happened.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Actually, it's sickening and it's such a very low blow! Hitting below the belt, hoping to knee cap an opponent.
WOW! Trying to throw the mud with both hands full! So many ways to explain this type of thing, but most can see where they're going! How low will you go??
weknowvino2
(62 posts)I will donate $10.00 to Bernie Sanders campaign.
Apparently worked. Haven't heard from them since.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)winterwar
(210 posts)I was all the way for Obama the last two elections, never signed up for anything from Clinton. Her b.s. against Obama in 08 made me lose a ton of respect for her. She would make a much better president than any R, but I really don't care for her. Then about a week after the supposed data access by Sanders campaign, I have gotten stuff from Hilary's campaign nearly daily. I'm going to email them and see how and why they are contacting me. I will hold my nose and vote for her if Sanders or O'Malley doesn't win the primary. But I will not put my time or money into a third way "Democrat". I have volunteered, donated, and circulated petitions many times for many candidates. She will not be one of them. I find it interesting that her campaign is contacting me repeatedly, when supposedly Sanders is the one that stole contact info.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)You've got to be kidding.
sonofspy777
(360 posts)ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)eom .
rurallib
(62,415 posts)takes you right out of this world!
RandySF
(58,823 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)However, it is still ludicrous.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Response to Bubzer (Reply #192)
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Bubzer
(4,211 posts)So, as I said; I just asked that question. Please keep up with the conversation
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)oasis
(49,386 posts)but only his campaign knows what advantage was gained by it.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)his campaign? If he can't do this, how are we to believe he can manage the presidency?
oasis
(49,386 posts)heads had to roll when the theft was discovered.
DFW
(54,378 posts)He said some of his people would eventually end up doing things he'd have to disavow. They did, and he did. There will be some of this in each campaign (at least, every Democratic campaign--Republican campaigns enjoy papal infallibility, just ask them).
Jarqui
(10,125 posts)If she can't do this, how are we to believe she can manage the presidency?
(not that that was really Hillary's fault but I think there's some grounds for equivalency there since an absurd point is raised to be countered by an equivalent absurd point. The DNC software company messed up = it wasn't as deceptive or as sinister as what her husband did)
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)I don't know which one is more absurd.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)boobooday
(7,869 posts)Exhausted. I'm so old. I'm tired as hell of Clintons and Bushes. I wish them the best, but I just don't want to hear about them anymore.
Democracy, not dynasty.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)I'm sick of them and all the scandals that come with them. Make it stop!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
boobooday
(7,869 posts)If she won, it's all we would hear about for EIGHT YEARS.
I. Just. Can't.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)Melissa G
(10,170 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
a2liberal
(1,524 posts)I think there is a connection, but not the one the OP is implying. All the mischaracterization and smears over that incident probably changed quite a few minds about the integrity of the status quo machine and their preferred candidate.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)If she can't win with the database she's put together, perhaps she's not the better candidate.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I calculate the hide possibility at about 17:3 any post about the truth of this matter would be hidden given current DU demographics.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Seems there's a case of Clinton Fatigue going on...and it's catching with every Bernie speech. It's possible to disagree nicely. I think I just did.
Remember, we're all Democrats with some Republicans and Independents thrown in for good measure. It's just politics...it's not supposed to be personal.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Overall, the average DUer is an extremist leftist when compared to the average Democrat.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Guess I'll try again. The demographics on DU moving to the left, (as you mentioned) have shifted like the Democratic Party's move to the left. It's not really complicated and nothing to do with extremism. Just something I noticed...again, both are trending further left.
Don't you just hate it when someone edits your post and refers to and criticizes the edits as what you said?
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)"Overall, the average DUer is an extremist leftist when compared to the average Democrat."
You mean we're not Third Way Democrats?
We're real Democrats.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)A few of us even have Chairman Meow's picture on our walls.
All hail Beloved Chairman!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Lancero
(3,003 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)The jury voted 5-2 to leave it alone.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)One would think that a website dedicated to progressives would be further to the left than the Democratic Party as a whole since the progressive part of the Dem party is pretty far to the left.
You might want to rethink your membership at a progressive website if you such disdain for the "extremist leftist" portion of the Dem party.
Perogie
(687 posts)Democrats are too far right these days
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1939
(1,683 posts)You would be dancing in the streets.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)paleotn
(17,913 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)ram2008
(1,238 posts)What explains the national decline in Hillary support then? Or the Sanders surge in a large, diverse state like California?
Fail. She lost the Christmas primary, get over it.
Baitball Blogger
(46,707 posts)Even the Hillary campaign suspected problems in the first two states.
peace13
(11,076 posts)...is Benghazi! Both are BS but you just gotta keep throwin' shoes.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Was accessed, it will be interesting to see what the later states does.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)When she accessed Obamas strategy info through a similar breach?
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)all along. Why wasn't she capitalizing?
pangaia
(24,324 posts)So there is that.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)I forget what comes next....
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)I mean BLEACH!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)And bingo...minor surge in Iowa.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Yesterdays meme was:If Bernie wins in Iowa it is due
to the sexism and racism of the voters there.
Todays meme:If Bernie wins, it is due to data stolen
from the HRC campaign!
I cannot wait for the rest of the week for new memes
to excuse a slowly flailing campaign!
reformist2
(9,841 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Actually, I suspect they DO know better, but are adopting the Whatever It Takes strategy
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)I found it only because it made the Greatest page, and it certainly brightened my day. Thanks, reccers!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Or the Democratic Party. Otherwise, they're verboten.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)I heard from a friend in Iowa who was gonna vote for Clinton, but got this unsolicited call from a Sanders campaigner that told her that Clinton was full of shit and that she should now vote for Sanders. And guess what? She actually changed her mind based on that one unexpected phone call. Who'd a thunk?
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)ejbr
(5,856 posts)People compare and contrast the data of each candidate's platform and history and make an informed decision; there is power indeed.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)against the most awesomist inevitable candidate and her super campaign. Real next level shit.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)- for Obama. The Clinton people used the same list. I also did some calling for MA , that was much easier as the phone connected the person. One daughter in 2008 made lots of calls to Northern Indiana - my parents live there so she spoke of that - for Obama.
I got calls from supporters of Obama, Edwards and Clinton. Both my husband and I were registered Democrats. It's funny that I would have assumed that if Bernie (or HRC) had enough supporters they would call everyone on the list.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Inquiring minds want to know what on earth you and nurse jackie are talking about.
(edited to clarify names)
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Into a Clinton supporter's life it will creep.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Sanders has an impressive phone banking operation in IA and NH.
The data snoopers were looking at the long game.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Absolutely ridiculous.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)what a doozy
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)He had a few crazed staffers. I doubt anything else happened.
still_one
(92,190 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)His numbers went up with every speech. If you haven't noticed, his speeches are received enthusiastically and so well it's usually SRO. Pretty far-reaching there to attribute it to a few minutes of "stolen data". Like this is the first political shenanigan that ever happened. He fired the guy.
What's the story about NH? Close to home state? Other numbers changing. What a fantastic super plot for a new movie. Speaking of movies, have you heard about "The Long Short?" they say it's factual and entertaining...discusses what we need to make sure our kids learn about how money is handled and who handles it, et al.
I mean, I gave her a pass on quid pro quo on the PP thing, but I guess I'll not bother next time. Lord knows how many votes that little partnership will net her.
Summary: Weak argument.
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Note to Jury: I didn't actually say anything specific, I'm just concurring with the OP's opinion.
paleotn
(17,913 posts)and I'm just not getting it? Surely you jest.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)paleotn
(17,913 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)....in my state of Iowa.
I'm begging. Please. Do it!!
She should mention it during her campaign events and create mailers! Show Bernie is black cat burglar suit breaking into one of Hillary's servers. Oh, it would so work!
Iowa caucus-goers love this type of politicking!
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)MuseRider
(34,109 posts)to see this.
Nobody likes to lose. I will feel badly if Bernie loses and you will feel badly if Hillary loses.
This? THIS is just sad.
What should we call him? I am hoping we will call him Mr. President. Looking better all the time, still a long way to go.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Thank you for providing my daily laugh!
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)roll eyes like posting Faux as a reliable source NEXT who stole Bernie's info 2 months prior to that??
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Wow, that's more than just a stretch, it's a
paleotn
(17,913 posts)....You've got to be f'ing kidding me.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)throwing millions of innocent men, women and children into a life of suffering and desperation, then she went on national television and gloated about it in order to pander to jingoistic neanderthals.
And you try and paint Bernie as somehow dishonest. I'm laughing.
delrem
(9,688 posts)She's fucking crazy.
Honest to God, she scares me more than any other politician in the USA, bar none.
Why more than Lindsey Graham and the other Republican whack-jobs? Just because she's a Dem and gives legitimacy to those whack-jobs. To war criminal ice-men like Henry Kissinger. To Robert Kagan. To Benjamin Netanyahu.
My head is exploding in fear, that the USA will do this - will elect her.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)and then comparing it to Hillary's gutless Corporate Record
Cal33
(7,018 posts)he has caught up. This is from WSJ and NBC. When WSJ and NBC admit something like this, it
probably means that Sanders might actually be ahead of Clinton.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Honest Abe, Shifty Sanders?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Let's just assume an idiotic and far fetched accusation it true, and give Bernie a nickname based on it.
I think Clinton sold her confidential emails to the Russians.....Clinton the Traitor
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)But since the break up of the Soviet Union that wouldn't be accurate....and Sanders is the Commie
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If you're wondering why I'm asking Google it.
Just saying you might want to rethink that and come up with something different.
Note to jury: it's an honest question, not an accusation
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Wear these things:
bowens43
(16,064 posts)the end is near and hillary will once and fro all be regulated to the trash bin of history......
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,693 posts)That's GOTTA be it! There's no other explanation!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Vinca
(50,271 posts)What does it say that Hillary's supporters are so wishy-washy on commitment they can be had so easily?
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Bernie's a vampire!!! He went to all those voters' houses and mesmerized them to do his will!!
Which really isn't any more stupid than the OP's theory.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)quite unintentionally, of course.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)you posted this, right?
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)scared.
Feel the Bern!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Moral Compass
(1,521 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)I'm guessing that also might be a reason you don't want an investigation the way Bernie's campaign wants too!
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)america sees that Hillary cannot protect her data - move to Sanders is huge
bvf
(6,604 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)BTW anything ever come of the "independent investigation"? Or did DWS sweep it under the rug seeing as she achieved her goal and didn't want anything else to come to light?
Qutzupalotl
(14,311 posts)Post hoc, ergo propter hoc is a Latin phrase for "after this, therefore, because of this." The term refers to a logical fallacy that because two events occurred in succession, the former event caused the latter event.
In addressing a post hoc, ergo propter hoc argument, it is important to recognise that correlation does not equal causation.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I want to vote for Bernie to be the supreme ruler of the universe. He managed to sink Clinton with just 45 minutes worth of data.
George II
(67,782 posts)....the day after the breach. Now I get two or three a day - all from Democracy For America in Sanders' name.
Among the people who sent the emails are Jim Dean, Charles Chamberlain, Robert Reich and yes, Bernie Sanders himself.
All the email addresses are @democracyforamerica.com.
I've never contacted the Sanders Campaign, so just where did they coincidentally get my contact information a day after the breach?
Also, I thought Sanders said he wasn't using any outside committees to finance his campaign????????
morningfog
(18,115 posts)I can't wait for Hillary to lose Iowa and NH.
jfern
(5,204 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)opponent. Please tell me you are not serious
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)then a mere several days later...
DAVID BOWIE IS DEAD!!!!!!
A coincidence? I think not, ladies and gentlemen.
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AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)But so prediciible..
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)forum/group. The rules are very clear about conspiracy theories. That is why there is a specific forum to post them.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)this forum is full of anti-Hillary conspiracy bullshit.
Hell, on this issue alone there were umpteen threads about how Hillary set up a honey pot scheme to tempt Bernie's campaign into stealing data.
But maybe the hosts will be more sympathetic to your cause.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)But there are lots and lots from the pro-Hillary side that look like somewhat nutty attempts to try to twist anything to make Sen. Sanders and his supporters to look bad. This is one of the craziest ones I have seen so far. But, I do agree that there are some on the pro-Sanders side who really cross the line too.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)...this could be the silliest thing I've read on a non-comedy site.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)It had nothing to do with the voters making up their mind, the hundreds of volunteers working for free to get the word out, the volunteer phone banks. hell, if I would of known that all you needed to do to win is hack the data base I would have quit working on campaigns years ago.
Lans
(66 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)that there were no contestants.
They laughed and laughed.
These are people who derided us for caring about "economic justice", and who said nobody could win without $$, and HRC has those $$. And they don't give a flying fuck for "economic justice" - except wait! It's Tuesday. I think HRC is a "progressive" on some Tuesdays! Please look it up.
Money to throw around. Enormous quantities of $$, simply enormous. Oh boy, especially on the net. They've been throwing it at all the takers. And now we know them.
A Clinton Foundation of money, where fonts of money like the House of Saud can launder theirs in return for their depraved security, while they party like there's no tomorrow, because for them there is none.
For "family values" Clinton style, because, like the House of Saud, she's conveniently "pro-choice" and pro "Planned Parenthood", and her charitable foundation has the scars to prove it.
Gothmog
(145,231 posts)Douglas Carpenter
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or that desperate to intentionally lie in order to attack an opponent. It is probably a mixture of both.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)But, I don't have any reason to believe that a data breach had anything to do with it. The fact is - I get all kinds of fundraising E-mails - even for City Council seats in Phoenix. I have never been to Phoenix. My jaw drops at the intellectual dishonesty of this charge or the blatant desire to intentionally deceive.