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hill2016

(1,772 posts)
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:17 PM Jan 2016

Sanders was behind in Iowa until his campaign accessed sensitive data from the Clinton side

One month later, he has caught up.

What are the lessons we can teach our kids from this? Lincoln was "Honest Abe". What about Sanders?

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-breach-217019

“All of [the data] is extremely valuable; it is work produced by tens of thousands of volunteers," Benenson said, adding that "it is part of a road map to how we are running and strategizing in our campaign and how we get to the totals we need to win in Iowa and New Hampshire, especially,”

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Sanders was behind in Iowa until his campaign accessed sensitive data from the Clinton side (Original Post) hill2016 Jan 2016 OP
. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #1
I'll second that well deserved derision. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #8
I'll buy a ticket also.... Segami Jan 2016 #10
Me too azmom Jan 2016 #16
It's a movement! Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #17
No, it's a revolution! Duval Jan 2016 #97
Oh, FFS kath Jan 2016 #40
Cray cray on steroids CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #63
Ha! Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #82
Let me get my licks in here Jack Rabbit Jan 2016 #90
can I add Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #93
And one more Uponthegears Jan 2016 #95
Yes , the standard rebuttal from our political betters TheFarS1de Jan 2016 #120
1000 likes Uponthegears Jan 2016 #125
Cue the Benny Hill music .... TheFarS1de Jan 2016 #135
. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #142
LOL Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #176
Still going! When will the giggle-fest end I wonder? Bubzer Jan 2016 #116
So cray cray they need a vacay! cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #181
WON'T SOMEBODY PLEEZE THINK OF THE CHILDREN??? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #13
The Humanity FreakinDJ Jan 2016 #43
seconded with an assist from newman restorefreedom Jan 2016 #54
BWHAHAHAHA..... Segami Jan 2016 #45
LOL !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #47
No votes have been cast and they're already casting blame neverforget Jan 2016 #72
Preemptive casting of asparagus. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #73
This ^^^ ybbor Jan 2016 #78
a pandemic reaction has begun. nt edgineered Jan 2016 #80
Didn't you know? "Stolen data" changes indipendent polls!!! It's on the interweb so it must be true! Bubzer Jan 2016 #126
Not at all, I think everyone should rec it! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #145
Guess they're already trying to find excuses for Hillary losing John Poet Jan 2016 #198
Ayup! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #201
My take: he was going up anyway, and DWS/ Clinton failed to stop him even Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #199
You could be right. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #203
I did notice that. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #205
. merrily Jan 2016 #202
I'm sure this will go well . . . fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #2
I've received emails from the Clinton campaign since the breach on December. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #3
Interesting that. Nt Krytan11c Jan 2016 #32
Have you ever participated in an online poll? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #81
Same here. I also got calls. Duval Jan 2016 #103
Same here MissDeeds Jan 2016 #130
Add My Name... n/t ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #172
THIS IS PURE and TOTAL CRAP! ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #173
I wrote back & told them for every solicitation I receive from them weknowvino2 Jan 2016 #146
Brilliant! I'm stealing! LOL n/t Oilwellian Jan 2016 #193
Me too, keep getting emails from Clinton winterwar Jan 2016 #153
Thanks, I needed a laugh today. n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #4
Christ. PeteSelman Jan 2016 #5
Yawn.. sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #6
Are you serious? Punkingal Jan 2016 #7
No, they are trolling. morningfog Jan 2016 #190
Aliens . TheFarS1de Jan 2016 #9
Barkeep - get me some of what he's drinking! rurallib Jan 2016 #11
this isn't nearly as ludicrous as some accusations against Hillary. RandySF Jan 2016 #12
I agree. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #23
Does that makes it okay? Bubzer Jan 2016 #119
Does that make the hypocrisy OK? baldguy Jan 2016 #175
I just asked that question. Do try to keep up with the conversation. Bubzer Jan 2016 #192
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #200
I regularly see that level of hypocrisy from hillary supporters. Bubzer Jan 2016 #204
Projection is a thing Teabaggers do, too. baldguy Jan 2016 #208
Projection... such as calling others a teabagger through implication? Bubzer Jan 2016 #210
I don't believe for a moment Bernie was behind the theft of data oasis Jan 2016 #14
So Sanders is not in control of Skidmore Jan 2016 #27
He can't possibly keep an eye on everybody in his campaign. That's why oasis Jan 2016 #34
Sanders addresses this directly in the TIME interview last year DFW Jan 2016 #75
Hillary couldn't manage interns in her own house. Jarqui Jan 2016 #147
same exact argument I heard in support of impeachment of President Clinton Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #167
Excuses, excuses. People are tired of the Clintons. Clinton fatigue. Pure and simple. n/t in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #15
This really is it for me. boobooday Jan 2016 #117
The entire campaign would be about nothing but Bill Clinton and his many affairs. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #138
And not just the campaign boobooday Jan 2016 #169
:---) juxtaposed Jan 2016 #18
Very Rich!!!! Melissa G Jan 2016 #19
I always appreciate threads like this--the implied accusations are worth the resultant rec list. nt DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #20
lol 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #21
Still not going to be enough to carry them across. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2016 #22
Clinton Was Ahead Until Her Campaign Accessed Bernie's Data - Seems That Did Not Work Well cantbeserious Jan 2016 #24
Maybe Clinton was ahead until DWS alienated Millennial Women and people who support legalized pot Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #28
Maybe One Is Also Right cantbeserious Jan 2016 #29
This. a2liberal Jan 2016 #209
... Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #25
Arguendo; What's Hillary's excuse? She's had that game changing data all along. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #26
This is the real takeaway. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #85
I will not post my opinion on this. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #30
Then why post? DU demographics, IMO, are changing as the Democratic Party changes. libdem4life Jan 2016 #38
DU is not reflection whatsoever on the demographics of the Democratic Party MohRokTah Jan 2016 #39
There you go again, to quote a past President. libdem4life Jan 2016 #41
this is getting better!!! juxtaposed Jan 2016 #61
Whaaa... tecelote Jan 2016 #74
Didn't you know? We all hang out in DU's Marxist-Leninist Group Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #156
... beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #162
All hail Chairman Meow! Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #164
This thread just gets better and better! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #166
Got anything else, other then the canned fauxian 'liberals are extremist' comparison? Lancero Jan 2016 #101
This got alerted on NobodyHere Jan 2016 #152
Well you do know that this is a progressive website not the DNC website, right? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #161
Thank god for that. Perogie Jan 2016 #180
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #42
If Anonymous had done this to Trump 1939 Jan 2016 #52
6:1 for Bernie according to management. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #88
Oh, give me an F'ing break. paleotn Jan 2016 #96
Passive aggressive nonsense. Pitiful. morningfog Jan 2016 #157
You whine a lot! Nt Logical Jan 2016 #188
Desperate attacks from a flailing campaign ram2008 Jan 2016 #31
I'm sorry, but I think this is overreach. Baitball Blogger Jan 2016 #33
The only response to this... peace13 Jan 2016 #35
It is interesting his poll numbers has been going upbsince the breach. The early states information Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #36
And how did that work out for Hillary passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #76
As was said earlier; Hill had this game changing data Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #91
It also snowed for the first time this year where I live after the 'BREACH !!! pangaia Jan 2016 #113
The breach must be causing Climate change! Science on climate change solved... Bubzer Jan 2016 #124
"Into the breach!" pangaia Jan 2016 #127
lol Bubzer Jan 2016 #131
Is a breach like a rift in the fabric of space and time? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #132
NO NO that is 'BLEECH !!" pangaia Jan 2016 #134
LOL beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #144
HUM Ya think they get more than 45 min to gather valuable information FloridaBlues Jan 2016 #37
WOW, this is so lovely! sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #44
I'm embarrassed for you, that you started this thread. reformist2 Jan 2016 #46
And the dozen poor fools who rec'd it should know better. arcane1 Jan 2016 #65
Charitable interpretation: They rec'd it for its comedy value. Jim Lane Jan 2016 #106
Nah. But good try. Agschmid Jan 2016 #48
The lesson: Don't support a loser! immoderate Jan 2016 #49
Laughing so hard I UglyGreed Jan 2016 #50
It seems conspiracy theories are only allowed if they implicate Clinton baldguy Jan 2016 #51
This could be true ejbr Jan 2016 #70
There is power in data. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #98
Exactly ejbr Jan 2016 #107
No. I mean like magical power that can sway elections even Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #110
! ejbr Jan 2016 #121
I know in 2008, we were calling from the NJ Voter records, horrible as they were karynnj Jan 2016 #158
Then why are you post #51 on a still-standing, stupid-as-hell conspiracy theory against Sanders? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #92
The desperation is getting deep. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #53
i think the woman at the diner said it best restorefreedom Jan 2016 #55
The searches focused on SC. joshcryer Jan 2016 #56
EPIC FAIL grasswire Jan 2016 #57
HA!!!!!! wendylaroux Jan 2016 #58
Oh Lordy... madfloridian Jan 2016 #59
LOL Iggy Knorr Jan 2016 #60
Naaaaa. JoePhilly Jan 2016 #62
Lol still_one Jan 2016 #64
Sanders was behind in Iowa before he started introducing himself to the nation. libdem4life Jan 2016 #66
LOL!!! Love it,.... love it... but what did anyone expect? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #67
I was thinking the same thing. (Only, I was afraid to say anything for obvious reasons.) NurseJackie Jan 2016 #68
Is that a joke? paleotn Jan 2016 #129
No, I'm serious. That's actually what I was thinking. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #133
Ooookaaaay. (nt) paleotn Jan 2016 #137
I really, really, really hope that Hillary floats this crazy idea CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #163
Ever see "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?" Oilwellian Jan 2016 #194
I am so glad I came back MuseRider Jan 2016 #69
OMG I have not laughed this hard in a long long time passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #71
What a crock of steaming shit dorkzilla Jan 2016 #77
Haha, sure, that is why... Helen Borg Jan 2016 #79
yawn. great use a conservative source too PatrynXX Jan 2016 #83
Yeah right, that's gotta be it. NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #84
Snort!.... paleotn Jan 2016 #86
Libya was a stable, prosperous North African nation until Hillary helped raze it to the ground, Maedhros Jan 2016 #87
I just re-read her recent Brookings speech. delrem Jan 2016 #168
Bullshit. Bernies rise is a function of TIME and peopel getting to know him AND HIS RECORD Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #89
Sanders was behind all along, and he has been making headway in catching up all along, too. Now Cal33 Jan 2016 #94
A valid question for coincidental timing Sheepshank Jan 2016 #99
Congrstulations. That is a Grade A smear Armstead Jan 2016 #108
Very clever, but missed the cadence of alliteration I was going for. n/t Sheepshank Jan 2016 #109
I was gonna say Clinton the Commie Armstead Jan 2016 #112
Are you sure you want to go with "shifty" for the Jewish candidate? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #114
I like Sane Sanders muuuuch Better. #FeeltheBern Karma13612 Jan 2016 #118
gosh I thought it was Sanders supporters who.... Armstead Jan 2016 #100
ROFLMAO!! e hillary's minions are getting very very desperate!!! bowens43 Jan 2016 #102
LOL! The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #104
How ridiculous. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #105
So, for the sake of argument, let's say Bernie is evil and all the data accessed was used. Vinca Jan 2016 #111
And so quickly? OMG, I know what happened... winter is coming Jan 2016 #122
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH #FeeltheBern Karma13612 Jan 2016 #115
This has gotta be the funniest thread I have ever seen, pangaia Jan 2016 #123
aw, hillary, hopemountain Jan 2016 #128
If this is all HRC and her minions have left to attack Bernie, they are truly running Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #136
He'll be the "angry racist" again before the week is done n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #154
Pathetic Moral Compass Jan 2016 #139
So what computer were YOU breaking in to KNOW what happened in these data breaches? cascadiance Jan 2016 #140
YES YES YES TRUE YES SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #141
Sorry I'm late. bvf Jan 2016 #143
Thanks for the reminder Lazy Daisy Jan 2016 #148
Post hoc fallacy Qutzupalotl Jan 2016 #149
I changed my mind I don't want to vote for Bernie for President Kalidurga Jan 2016 #150
Right. And I NEVER got any junk emails from the Sanders campaign or their surrogates until.... George II Jan 2016 #151
Bullshit conspiracies belong in creative speculation. morningfog Jan 2016 #155
What an absurd conspiracy theory jfern Jan 2016 #159
Pathetic! 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #160
This is a joke, right? An attempt to see how bizarre one can get in attacking an Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #165
Wow the panikationating is rich. NT. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #170
Here's a straw for you to grasp. Blue_In_AK Jan 2016 #171
. Autumn Jan 2016 #174
First the data base infraction and saltpoint Jan 2016 #177
This message was self-deleted by its author Perogie Jan 2016 #178
Pathetic AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #179
This post is inappropriate for this forum. Please consider re-posting in "Creative Speculation" Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #182
The rules are very clear and yet JTFrog Jan 2016 #183
there are more than enough nasty and unthinking comments from both sides. I don't know who is worse Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #189
K&R for the Lulz Fumesucker Jan 2016 #184
Annnnnd that may be enough DU for me tonight.... Joe the Revelator Jan 2016 #185
Oh my bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #186
LOL,LOL,LOL the whining is getting worse! nt Logical Jan 2016 #187
First good laugh I've had on a cold day. Scruffy1 Jan 2016 #191
the real question is Lans Jan 2016 #195
Hilarious! eom fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #207
Stupid, stupid, stupid move. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #196
These are people who laughed at us, saying HRC was 85% in the polls, delrem Jan 2016 #197
That data seems to be helping Sanders a great deal Gothmog Jan 2016 #206
I find it slightly disturbing that there are 26 people on DU who are that intellectually dishonest Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #211
I've been getting Hillary fundraising E-mails ever since I started donating to Bernie's campaign Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #212

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
120. Yes , the standard rebuttal from our political betters
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jan 2016



I see why they do it now,so much easier than actually forming an actual argument isn't it ....




But seriously , this OP is pure comedy gold .

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
126. Didn't you know? "Stolen data" changes indipendent polls!!! It's on the interweb so it must be true!
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jan 2016

Hey you, stop looking at that bag of hillary-favoring biased poll results behind the curtain...we don't speak of those here...



Is it bad that I want to rec this just to get it into the spotlight, so others can see this absurdity?

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
199. My take: he was going up anyway, and DWS/ Clinton failed to stop him even
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 06:44 AM
Jan 2016

with the most heinous accusations and overreaching countermeasures.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
205. I did notice that.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jan 2016

I also noticed Mrs Sanders has never supported DADT, DOMA, the repeal of Glass-Steagall, or extraordinary rendition: all thing sthat Mrs. Clinton's husband not only supported, but downright signed into law...

 

snoringvoter

(178 posts)
3. I've received emails from the Clinton campaign since the breach on December.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jan 2016

I am not a Clinton supporter, and I never subscribed to anything but Bernie.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
103. Same here. I also got calls.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jan 2016

The caller apologized and said something like "Maybe you were for her in 2008". Nope!

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
173. THIS IS PURE and TOTAL CRAP!
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:46 PM
Jan 2016

Actually, it's sickening and it's such a very low blow! Hitting below the belt, hoping to knee cap an opponent.

WOW! Trying to throw the mud with both hands full! So many ways to explain this type of thing, but most can see where they're going! How low will you go??

weknowvino2

(62 posts)
146. I wrote back & told them for every solicitation I receive from them
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jan 2016

I will donate $10.00 to Bernie Sanders campaign.

Apparently worked. Haven't heard from them since.

winterwar

(210 posts)
153. Me too, keep getting emails from Clinton
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jan 2016

I was all the way for Obama the last two elections, never signed up for anything from Clinton. Her b.s. against Obama in 08 made me lose a ton of respect for her. She would make a much better president than any R, but I really don't care for her. Then about a week after the supposed data access by Sanders campaign, I have gotten stuff from Hilary's campaign nearly daily. I'm going to email them and see how and why they are contacting me. I will hold my nose and vote for her if Sanders or O'Malley doesn't win the primary. But I will not put my time or money into a third way "Democrat". I have volunteered, donated, and circulated petitions many times for many candidates. She will not be one of them. I find it interesting that her campaign is contacting me repeatedly, when supposedly Sanders is the one that stole contact info.

Response to Bubzer (Reply #192)

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
204. I regularly see that level of hypocrisy from hillary supporters.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:32 AM
Jan 2016

So, as I said; I just asked that question. Please keep up with the conversation

oasis

(49,386 posts)
14. I don't believe for a moment Bernie was behind the theft of data
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jan 2016

but only his campaign knows what advantage was gained by it.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
27. So Sanders is not in control of
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jan 2016

his campaign? If he can't do this, how are we to believe he can manage the presidency?

oasis

(49,386 posts)
34. He can't possibly keep an eye on everybody in his campaign. That's why
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

heads had to roll when the theft was discovered.

DFW

(54,378 posts)
75. Sanders addresses this directly in the TIME interview last year
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jan 2016

He said some of his people would eventually end up doing things he'd have to disavow. They did, and he did. There will be some of this in each campaign (at least, every Democratic campaign--Republican campaigns enjoy papal infallibility, just ask them).

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
147. Hillary couldn't manage interns in her own house.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:21 PM
Jan 2016

If she can't do this, how are we to believe she can manage the presidency?

(not that that was really Hillary's fault but I think there's some grounds for equivalency there since an absurd point is raised to be countered by an equivalent absurd point. The DNC software company messed up = it wasn't as deceptive or as sinister as what her husband did)

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
167. same exact argument I heard in support of impeachment of President Clinton
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:43 PM
Jan 2016

I don't know which one is more absurd.

boobooday

(7,869 posts)
117. This really is it for me.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:58 PM
Jan 2016

Exhausted. I'm so old. I'm tired as hell of Clintons and Bushes. I wish them the best, but I just don't want to hear about them anymore.

Democracy, not dynasty.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
138. The entire campaign would be about nothing but Bill Clinton and his many affairs. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jan 2016

I'm sick of them and all the scandals that come with them. Make it stop!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
209. This.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 08:07 PM
Jan 2016

I think there is a connection, but not the one the OP is implying. All the mischaracterization and smears over that incident probably changed quite a few minds about the integrity of the status quo machine and their preferred candidate.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
26. Arguendo; What's Hillary's excuse? She's had that game changing data all along.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jan 2016

If she can't win with the database she's put together, perhaps she's not the better candidate.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
30. I will not post my opinion on this.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jan 2016

I calculate the hide possibility at about 17:3 any post about the truth of this matter would be hidden given current DU demographics.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
38. Then why post? DU demographics, IMO, are changing as the Democratic Party changes.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jan 2016

Seems there's a case of Clinton Fatigue going on...and it's catching with every Bernie speech. It's possible to disagree nicely. I think I just did.

Remember, we're all Democrats with some Republicans and Independents thrown in for good measure. It's just politics...it's not supposed to be personal.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
39. DU is not reflection whatsoever on the demographics of the Democratic Party
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:16 PM
Jan 2016

Overall, the average DUer is an extremist leftist when compared to the average Democrat.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
41. There you go again, to quote a past President.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jan 2016

Guess I'll try again. The demographics on DU moving to the left, (as you mentioned) have shifted like the Democratic Party's move to the left. It's not really complicated and nothing to do with extremism. Just something I noticed...again, both are trending further left.

Don't you just hate it when someone edits your post and refers to and criticizes the edits as what you said?

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
74. Whaaa...
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:20 PM
Jan 2016

"Overall, the average DUer is an extremist leftist when compared to the average Democrat."

You mean we're not Third Way Democrats?

We're real Democrats.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
156. Didn't you know? We all hang out in DU's Marxist-Leninist Group
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jan 2016

A few of us even have Chairman Meow's picture on our walls.

All hail Beloved Chairman!

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
161. Well you do know that this is a progressive website not the DNC website, right?
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:33 PM
Jan 2016

One would think that a website dedicated to progressives would be further to the left than the Democratic Party as a whole since the progressive part of the Dem party is pretty far to the left.

You might want to rethink your membership at a progressive website if you such disdain for the "extremist leftist" portion of the Dem party.

Response to MohRokTah (Reply #30)

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
31. Desperate attacks from a flailing campaign
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jan 2016

What explains the national decline in Hillary support then? Or the Sanders surge in a large, diverse state like California?

Fail. She lost the Christmas primary, get over it.

Baitball Blogger

(46,707 posts)
33. I'm sorry, but I think this is overreach.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jan 2016

Even the Hillary campaign suspected problems in the first two states.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
36. It is interesting his poll numbers has been going upbsince the breach. The early states information
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jan 2016

Was accessed, it will be interesting to see what the later states does.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
44. WOW, this is so lovely!
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:26 PM
Jan 2016

Yesterdays meme was:If Bernie wins in Iowa it is due
to the sexism and racism of the voters there.

Todays meme:If Bernie wins, it is due to data stolen
from the HRC campaign!

I cannot wait for the rest of the week for new memes
to excuse a slowly flailing campaign!

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
65. And the dozen poor fools who rec'd it should know better.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jan 2016

Actually, I suspect they DO know better, but are adopting the Whatever It Takes strategy

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
106. Charitable interpretation: They rec'd it for its comedy value.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jan 2016

I found it only because it made the Greatest page, and it certainly brightened my day. Thanks, reccers!

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
51. It seems conspiracy theories are only allowed if they implicate Clinton
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jan 2016

Or the Democratic Party. Otherwise, they're verboten.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
70. This could be true
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jan 2016

I heard from a friend in Iowa who was gonna vote for Clinton, but got this unsolicited call from a Sanders campaigner that told her that Clinton was full of shit and that she should now vote for Sanders. And guess what? She actually changed her mind based on that one unexpected phone call. Who'd a thunk?

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
107. Exactly
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jan 2016

People compare and contrast the data of each candidate's platform and history and make an informed decision; there is power indeed.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
110. No. I mean like magical power that can sway elections even
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jan 2016

against the most awesomist inevitable candidate and her super campaign. Real next level shit.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
158. I know in 2008, we were calling from the NJ Voter records, horrible as they were
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:31 PM
Jan 2016

- for Obama. The Clinton people used the same list. I also did some calling for MA , that was much easier as the phone connected the person. One daughter in 2008 made lots of calls to Northern Indiana - my parents live there so she spoke of that - for Obama.

I got calls from supporters of Obama, Edwards and Clinton. Both my husband and I were registered Democrats. It's funny that I would have assumed that if Bernie (or HRC) had enough supporters they would call everyone on the list.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
92. Then why are you post #51 on a still-standing, stupid-as-hell conspiracy theory against Sanders?
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jan 2016

Inquiring minds want to know what on earth you and nurse jackie are talking about.

(edited to clarify names)

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
56. The searches focused on SC.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jan 2016

Sanders has an impressive phone banking operation in IA and NH.

The data snoopers were looking at the long game.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
66. Sanders was behind in Iowa before he started introducing himself to the nation.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jan 2016

His numbers went up with every speech. If you haven't noticed, his speeches are received enthusiastically and so well it's usually SRO. Pretty far-reaching there to attribute it to a few minutes of "stolen data". Like this is the first political shenanigan that ever happened. He fired the guy.

What's the story about NH? Close to home state? Other numbers changing. What a fantastic super plot for a new movie. Speaking of movies, have you heard about "The Long Short?" they say it's factual and entertaining...discusses what we need to make sure our kids learn about how money is handled and who handles it, et al.

I mean, I gave her a pass on quid pro quo on the PP thing, but I guess I'll not bother next time. Lord knows how many votes that little partnership will net her.

Summary: Weak argument.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
68. I was thinking the same thing. (Only, I was afraid to say anything for obvious reasons.)
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:04 PM
Jan 2016

Note to Jury: I didn't actually say anything specific, I'm just concurring with the OP's opinion.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
163. I really, really, really hope that Hillary floats this crazy idea
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:35 PM
Jan 2016

....in my state of Iowa.

I'm begging. Please. Do it!!

She should mention it during her campaign events and create mailers! Show Bernie is black cat burglar suit breaking into one of Hillary's servers. Oh, it would so work!

Iowa caucus-goers love this type of politicking!

MuseRider

(34,109 posts)
69. I am so glad I came back
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jan 2016

to see this.

Nobody likes to lose. I will feel badly if Bernie loses and you will feel badly if Hillary loses.

This? THIS is just sad.

What should we call him? I am hoping we will call him Mr. President. Looking better all the time, still a long way to go.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
83. yawn. great use a conservative source too
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jan 2016

roll eyes like posting Faux as a reliable source NEXT who stole Bernie's info 2 months prior to that??

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
87. Libya was a stable, prosperous North African nation until Hillary helped raze it to the ground,
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:32 PM
Jan 2016

throwing millions of innocent men, women and children into a life of suffering and desperation, then she went on national television and gloated about it in order to pander to jingoistic neanderthals.

And you try and paint Bernie as somehow dishonest. I'm laughing.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
168. I just re-read her recent Brookings speech.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:47 PM
Jan 2016

She's fucking crazy.

Honest to God, she scares me more than any other politician in the USA, bar none.
Why more than Lindsey Graham and the other Republican whack-jobs? Just because she's a Dem and gives legitimacy to those whack-jobs. To war criminal ice-men like Henry Kissinger. To Robert Kagan. To Benjamin Netanyahu.

My head is exploding in fear, that the USA will do this - will elect her.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
89. Bullshit. Bernies rise is a function of TIME and peopel getting to know him AND HIS RECORD
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jan 2016

and then comparing it to Hillary's gutless Corporate Record

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
94. Sanders was behind all along, and he has been making headway in catching up all along, too. Now
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jan 2016

he has caught up. This is from WSJ and NBC. When WSJ and NBC admit something like this, it
probably means that Sanders might actually be ahead of Clinton.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
108. Congrstulations. That is a Grade A smear
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:49 PM
Jan 2016

Let's just assume an idiotic and far fetched accusation it true, and give Bernie a nickname based on it.

I think Clinton sold her confidential emails to the Russians.....Clinton the Traitor

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
112. I was gonna say Clinton the Commie
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jan 2016

But since the break up of the Soviet Union that wouldn't be accurate....and Sanders is the Commie

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
114. Are you sure you want to go with "shifty" for the Jewish candidate?
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:55 PM
Jan 2016

If you're wondering why I'm asking Google it.

Just saying you might want to rethink that and come up with something different.











Note to jury: it's an honest question, not an accusation

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
102. ROFLMAO!! e hillary's minions are getting very very desperate!!!
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jan 2016

the end is near and hillary will once and fro all be regulated to the trash bin of history......

Vinca

(50,271 posts)
111. So, for the sake of argument, let's say Bernie is evil and all the data accessed was used.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jan 2016

What does it say that Hillary's supporters are so wishy-washy on commitment they can be had so easily?

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
122. And so quickly? OMG, I know what happened...
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie's a vampire!!! He went to all those voters' houses and mesmerized them to do his will!!

Which really isn't any more stupid than the OP's theory.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
136. If this is all HRC and her minions have left to attack Bernie, they are truly running
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jan 2016

scared.

Feel the Bern!

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
140. So what computer were YOU breaking in to KNOW what happened in these data breaches?
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jan 2016

I'm guessing that also might be a reason you don't want an investigation the way Bernie's campaign wants too!

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
148. Thanks for the reminder
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:22 PM
Jan 2016

BTW anything ever come of the "independent investigation"? Or did DWS sweep it under the rug seeing as she achieved her goal and didn't want anything else to come to light?

Qutzupalotl

(14,311 posts)
149. Post hoc fallacy
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:22 PM
Jan 2016
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Post_hoc,_ergo_propter_hoc

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc is a Latin phrase for "after this, therefore, because of this." The term refers to a logical fallacy that because two events occurred in succession, the former event caused the latter event.

In addressing a post hoc, ergo propter hoc argument, it is important to recognise that correlation does not equal causation.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
150. I changed my mind I don't want to vote for Bernie for President
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:24 PM
Jan 2016

I want to vote for Bernie to be the supreme ruler of the universe. He managed to sink Clinton with just 45 minutes worth of data.

George II

(67,782 posts)
151. Right. And I NEVER got any junk emails from the Sanders campaign or their surrogates until....
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jan 2016

....the day after the breach. Now I get two or three a day - all from Democracy For America in Sanders' name.

Among the people who sent the emails are Jim Dean, Charles Chamberlain, Robert Reich and yes, Bernie Sanders himself.

All the email addresses are @democracyforamerica.com.

I've never contacted the Sanders Campaign, so just where did they coincidentally get my contact information a day after the breach?

Also, I thought Sanders said he wasn't using any outside committees to finance his campaign????????

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
155. Bullshit conspiracies belong in creative speculation.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jan 2016

I can't wait for Hillary to lose Iowa and NH.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
165. This is a joke, right? An attempt to see how bizarre one can get in attacking an
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jan 2016

opponent. Please tell me you are not serious

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
177. First the data base infraction and
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jan 2016

then a mere several days later...

DAVID BOWIE IS DEAD!!!!!!

A coincidence? I think not, ladies and gentlemen.

Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
182. This post is inappropriate for this forum. Please consider re-posting in "Creative Speculation"
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 11:09 PM
Jan 2016

forum/group. The rules are very clear about conspiracy theories. That is why there is a specific forum to post them.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
183. The rules are very clear and yet
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jan 2016

this forum is full of anti-Hillary conspiracy bullshit.

Hell, on this issue alone there were umpteen threads about how Hillary set up a honey pot scheme to tempt Bernie's campaign into stealing data.

But maybe the hosts will be more sympathetic to your cause.






Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
189. there are more than enough nasty and unthinking comments from both sides. I don't know who is worse
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:07 AM
Jan 2016

But there are lots and lots from the pro-Hillary side that look like somewhat nutty attempts to try to twist anything to make Sen. Sanders and his supporters to look bad. This is one of the craziest ones I have seen so far. But, I do agree that there are some on the pro-Sanders side who really cross the line too.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
185. Annnnnd that may be enough DU for me tonight....
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jan 2016

...this could be the silliest thing I've read on a non-comedy site.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
191. First good laugh I've had on a cold day.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:01 AM
Jan 2016

It had nothing to do with the voters making up their mind, the hundreds of volunteers working for free to get the word out, the volunteer phone banks. hell, if I would of known that all you needed to do to win is hack the data base I would have quit working on campaigns years ago.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
197. These are people who laughed at us, saying HRC was 85% in the polls,
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 04:28 AM
Jan 2016

that there were no contestants.
They laughed and laughed.

These are people who derided us for caring about "economic justice", and who said nobody could win without $$, and HRC has those $$. And they don't give a flying fuck for "economic justice" - except wait! It's Tuesday. I think HRC is a "progressive" on some Tuesdays! Please look it up.
Money to throw around. Enormous quantities of $$, simply enormous. Oh boy, especially on the net. They've been throwing it at all the takers. And now we know them.

A Clinton Foundation of money, where fonts of money like the House of Saud can launder theirs in return for their depraved security, while they party like there's no tomorrow, because for them there is none.

For "family values" Clinton style, because, like the House of Saud, she's conveniently "pro-choice" and pro "Planned Parenthood", and her charitable foundation has the scars to prove it.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
211. I find it slightly disturbing that there are 26 people on DU who are that intellectually dishonest
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jan 2016

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or that desperate to intentionally lie in order to attack an opponent. It is probably a mixture of both.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
212. I've been getting Hillary fundraising E-mails ever since I started donating to Bernie's campaign
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jan 2016

But, I don't have any reason to believe that a data breach had anything to do with it. The fact is - I get all kinds of fundraising E-mails - even for City Council seats in Phoenix. I have never been to Phoenix. My jaw drops at the intellectual dishonesty of this charge or the blatant desire to intentionally deceive.

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