Is Someone Worried? Clinton CALLS for 'Spirited Debate' With Bernie Sanders

[Segami]

My, my, how times do change quickly....last week Hillary wouldn't even refer to Bernie Sanders name in speeches because she was projecting and prepping for the GE in her mind and now, 3 weeks before Iowa and sinking poll numbers, Hillary is calling for a "spirited debate".......

In snowy Iowa, the race is heating up. With just three weeks until the caucus, Hillary Clinton took the gloves off to go after her Democratic challenger, Bernie Sanders -— who is now neck-and-neck with her in the polls.

“I think it’s time for us to have the kind of spirited debate that you deserve us to have. We’re so much better than the Republicans, but we do have differences and you deserve to know what those differences are,” Clinton said at a campaign event in Waterloo, Iowa today, after taking on Sanders for his position on health care.

"I just have a difference with Senator Sanders. He has a different plan,” Clinton said.

~snip~

It’s a rare move for Clinton to call Sanders out by name during her prepared remarks, and is yet another sign her campaign is taking the Vermont Senator seriously as the race ratchets up. On Sunday, a new NBC/WSJ/Marist poll showed Clinton ahead of Sanders by just 3 points in Iowa. The same poll showed Sanders ahead of Clinton by 4 points in New Hampshire. Clinton's campaign has acknowledged that she is in for a tough fight in the early voting states. Last week, the campaign sent a series of fundraising emails about the tight polls, including one from their campaign manager Robby Mook with the subject line "nervous.”

“There’s a situation developing in Iowa and New Hampshire that could change the course of this election,” Mook wrote in an e-mail, noting that Sanders’s campaign is outspending Clinton in TV ads in both states.

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-calls-spirited-debate-bernie-sanders-race/story?id=36223002

[Xipe Totec]

1. No. Just LMFAO. nt

[randys1]

2. Of course she is worried and the end result of more debates, better debates, is good for us all.

[BeyondGeography]

3. The irony

is she apparently pushed for a scaled back debate schedule. Four debates in Iowa last time around, this year, one, and that was two months ago. The other irony is her numbers have gone up every time she has shared a stage with Bernie.

[Uncle Joe]

26. The last debate isn't even scheduled until after a slew of states have already voted.

[Fawke Em]

76. Not the last time, despite the media fawning.

I think Debbie's plan is backfiring.

[Punkingal]

4. Yep, that would be great!

Boy, Bernie has really upset her apple cart.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

5. Sunday morning, 3:30AM, just before the farm report. Call Deb and have her set it up.

[pangaia]

6. Oh No.

This one she would want on Tue at 9 pm.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

7. The words are coming through garbled. It looks like you said something about...

...wanting to air it on the Knitting III Network? Fabulous idea. Let's do it.

[CharlotteVale]

9. Snort.

[Segami]

10. BWHAHAHAHA.....

Stop....please,....you're killing me.....

[pangaia]

12. Why is everybody better at this than I am?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

17. We're ALL winners when comedy gold like this drops into our laps.

I'm just enjoying a little shaden.., a little shenfre, ...fuck it, that German word that means I'm having too much fun for my own good.

[pangaia]

27. Schadenfreude

Schadenfreude (/ˈʃɑːdənfrɔɪdᵊ/; German: [ˈʃaːdn̩ˌfʁɔɪdə] ( listen)), also known as epicaricacy /ˌɛpɨˈkærɨkəsi/ is pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.[1] This word is taken from German and literally means "harm-joy". It is the feeling of joy or pleasure when one sees another fail or suffer misfortune. It is also borrowed by some other languages. An English term of similar meaning (but with no noun equivalent) is "to gloat"; which means to feel, or express, great, often malicious, pleasure, or self-satisfaction, at one's own success, or at another's failure.[2]

Thank you WIKIups..

In DUTCH it would be- "kwaadaardige vreugde" For Dutch words, one can usually take the German and just use few more consonants, if that is actually possible.. IN this case that seems not to be true.

In Japanese-- 悪質な喜び
In Mandarin -- 惡意的樂趣

[DisgustipatedinCA]

30. Thank you.

Also, count me surprised that there's a language that starts with German and adds even more letters to make the word. I appreciate learning something new.

[pangaia]

31. Aw shucks, Don't thank me.

Thank Mr. Google Translate.

[merrily]

57. shhh. I love Mr. Google

but please don't tell Mr. merrily

[pangaia]

62. LOL!!!!

Well I'm better than Mr Google...
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As proof, on my last trio to Japan in October I consistently found better subway connections than Mr. Google did.

[dorkzilla]

65. Now I have to take a back seat to Mr Merrily and Mr. Google?

God damn it, merrily, whose next?

[merrily]

78. Well, I had to take a back seat (almost literally) to Mr. Dorkzilla when

you told me I could do only the kissing part of this photo, but only Mr. Dorkzilla could do the grabass part.



And, I've seen you refer to sluttiness both here and at jackpineradicals.org. ( I shudder to think where else you maybe promoting that notion!)

Despite all that, I can't quit you. How does a four way grab you (no pun intended)?

[dorkzilla]

82. I'm game!

Listen, can I help it if I learned all my amorous etiquette from my cats? My mother was too repressed to teach me about sex and we were too poor to afford finishing school. Jeez, sleep with the entire male population of a small county once and get a reputation forever! So unfair!

[merrily]

83. True story:

My very older sister drove my mom home after my wedding reception. On the way, my mother exclaimed, "Oh, my God. I didn't tell her. Did you tell her?" (pause) Well, she knows now, anyway."

[dorkzilla]

84. Lol, that's actually really sweet!

I think that's adorable

[merrily]

85. Yes, my mom was adorable. Died way too young and way too suddenly.

Talk about repressed, tho!

[dorkzilla]

86. I'm sorry...you only get one mom

And even if mine is a rwnj, I love her. She's actually a hoot my mom, and has come a long way in overcoming her repression. I can't image how repressed she'd have been if her parents had decided to stay in Ireland...lovely lovely repressed people (not so much now, but back in the 50s? Hooboy).

[merrily]

88. Sad story: an Irish American male who married a lassie in Ireland and brought her to the US

in the 1980s. She had a nervous breakdown that was attributed to culture shock. I imagine being uprooted from family and friends played a role as well, but he did not mention that. ("Separation anxiety" is a term I've heard in connection for why some very brilliant kids can't hack living at school.) Ultimately, she returned to Ireland and they divorced.

I had never really considered that before hearing his story. Imagine what it must have been like for African Americans who were kidnapped from Africa to be slaves here, the Chinese who were brought here to lay railroad tracks and the like. Even early immigrants who came here eagerly because their countries were poor and suffering and the streets in America were made of gold (reportedly). Kind of mind boggling to imagine they could not even find ingredients for the foods they knew how to cook.

[dorkzilla]

92. I can imagine the culture shock

At one point my grandmother and her 3 sisters all moved to America. The other 3 returned and my grandmother wanted to but we were in such turmoil when my dad left that my grandparents felt they couldn't go bqck as they were the glue holding their grandkid's lives together. To this day, I feel terrible about that.

I can't imagine how immigrants, forced or otherwise, feel when they move country. I think that is why family groups end up moving to the same place-they're comfort for each other. And I totally understand the desire to go home again...hell I'm one generation removed from immigrant and I want to retire back "home" in Ireland...a goal that now looks more like necessity as the climate is much better for my illness.

[merrily]

93. If you yearn to "go back" and the climate is better for you, then you should.

To this day, I feel terrible about that.

But.....can you imagine how much joy their grandkids gave them? I am sure that far outweighed their desire to live in Ireland again. Besides, you were a child. Please forgive yourself, my dear dorkzilla, and let it go.

[CorporatistNation]

70. It Is All HILLARYOUS! Turnabout IS Fair Play... America Wants Positive Change And Bernie "Trumps"

Clinton Inc. in THAT Department by an Iowa cornfield!

[merrily]

79. From your keyboard's mouth to the caucus's ears.

[angrychair]

42. Correction noted

CSPAN-3 @ 1 am next Saturday night.

[Art_from_Ark]

21. LOL

[Warren DeMontague]

67. It's busy. Maybe Debbie's on the phone with Chris Christie and Sheldon Adelson

Discussing lucrative private prison contracts for all the sick medical marijuana patients they can't wait to stick in a jail cell.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/11/sheldon-adelson-florida-marijuana_n_5486172.html

[Fawke Em]

71. She likes to support "moderate" Republicans (as if). eom

[Warren DeMontague]

73. Moderate means granny only gets a 5 year mandatory minimum for being caught smoking a joint

It's not like we're putting her on death row or anything! Sheesh.

[hootinholler]

80. On the bright side

She'll get 3 squares a cot and healthcare!

If she's good they might let her play Canasta or Parcheesi.

[CharlotteVale]

8. This just cracks me up. She's phoney beyond belief.

[kath]

45. Yep. Phony as a 3-dollar bill. Phony as the phoniest thing in the World of Ultimate Phoniness.

And large numbers of people, at least those with more than a few neurons to rub together or who are paying even a bit of attention, recognize this.

[notadmblnd]

11. That's just rhetorical, she doesn't really want a debate.

The good Clinton supporters here at DU told me so last week.

[Segami]

14. Yes, but that was last week.....we are entering a low pressure system and wind direction has changed

and so goes the weathervane......

[notadmblnd]

19. You have a point there.

nt

[TheFarS1de]

13. Yep , now she wants debates ....

She can talk all day long , people simply do not believe what she is saying to be true . Anyway I thought the DNC said that they already had enough debates planned for the 2 am "ignore every other dem candidate" timeslot .

[Art_from_Ark]

46. Wait a minute! I thought her "May the force be with you" comment

at the end of the last debate sealed the deal-- her coup de grace which gave her a decisive win and tons of momentum. No more debates needed, right?

[merrily]

58. Time to get my hearing checked? I heard, "May the farce be with you." nt

[Art_from_Ark]

60. Maybe I'm the one who needs to get my hearing checked

[merrily]

61. We'll go together.

[TheFarS1de]

91. Now , now you two ...

Cut it out

[NCTraveler]

15. They have been having one.

One of the best primaries I have seen.

[tk2kewl]

16. When is she going to call for the ouster of DWS?

[libdem4life]

18. So let me see if I have this right. We are just now deserving of a "spirited"

debate...as opposed to the dull and boring ones? Sanders really has it coming...no Cut It Out Time for him. Full steam ahead.

[winter is coming]

20. The GOP's already had many spirited debates.

That's what you call it when you need a drinking game to get through it, right?

[myrna minx]

22. The next debate is opposite the Super Bowl, right?

[klook]

56. My thought exactly

Or maybe at halftime of The Puppy Bowl.

[merrily]

59. It was already booked, so DWS settled for November 9, 2016. nt

[sadoldgirl]

23. Next we hear from DWS that due to

all the wishes from democratic voters she will add

some more debates.

Man, oh man is this a phony set-up!

[MoonchildCA]

94. My thoughts exactly...

[highprincipleswork]

24. Oh, so NOW she's like to debate.

Seriously, I want a politician I can believe in. That is not Hillary.

I'd like a DNC I can believe in too. That is not what is run by Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

I'm keeping my nose to the grindstone for Bernie. They'll work it out somehow, but to call for debate now, surely that is the height of hypocrisy.

[Ino]

25. Spirited debate = lots of faux outrage

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"How dare you impugn my integrity! 9/11! 9/11!"

(graphic deleted as too representative of Hillary's wrapping herself in 9/11 to justify her Wall Street donations)

[Ned_Devine]

53. Wow! I've never seen that graphic

[Ned_Devine]

55. Get ready for an alert from the swarm on that one

[blackspade]

74. That may be a bit OTT....

I would consider deleting that one.
That will likely pain some folks who lost friends and family on 9/11.

Just a friendly suggestion...

[Ino]

75. No more OTT than Hillary wrapping herself in 9/11 to justify Wall St donations.

Seeing as how she likes to incorporate Rosa Parks, Kwanzaa, etc. into her logo, why not this? It's a representation of her own shameful remarks.

Nevertheless, I will delete the graphic.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/16/will-hillarys-clumsy-911-remark-come-back-to-haunt-her.html

Pressed by Sen. Bernie Sanders about her strong financial support from Wall Street, Clinton said: "'I represented New York, and I represented New York on 9/11 when we were attacked … Where were we attacked? We were attacked in downtown Manhattan, where Wall Street is. I did spend a whole lot of time and effort helping them rebuild. That was good for New York. It was good for the economy and it was a way to rebuke the terrorists who had attacked our country.'"

Clinton's rivals wasted no time jumping on the comments as factually wrong and deeply insensitive. Former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley on Monday ripped Clinton, calling it "shameful" that the former secretary of state and New York U.S. senator linked 9/11 to her donations from Wall Street.

"I thought that moment, frankly, was pretty shameful. I don't believe that the people watching were applauding the notion that Secretary Clinton was pumping out this smokescreen and wrapping herself in the tragedy of 9/11," O'Malley said on CNN's "New Day" program. "I don't think they saw that as something appropriate to do, to mask her coziness and her closeness to Wall Street and all of the architects of the crash of 2008."

[blackspade]

77. I don't disagree with your feelings about Clinton's 9/11 comments.

I appreciate your consideration on the graphic though.
No need to make yourself a target and distract from her comments either!

[cascadiance]

28. Maybe they could add another debate in Iowa City on the corner of Clinton and Burlington Streets

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1106884

And with those latest poll stats, it's also important to note that the percentages given for O'Malley support is also important, as it is likely that in m any caucus locations, there won't be enough O'Malley supporters to have a delegate represent them, and therefore many of them will be pressured to join a Sanders or Clinton delegation, or arrange an undecided delegation, where the majority of supporters in that delegation will likely nominate one of themselves who is closest to the candidate supported by the majority of voters in that delegation.

I have a feeling that O'Malley voters would be more likely to cross over to Bernie than they would Clinton. So, that could be a lot of upward potential for caucus support for Bernie that aren't even indicated by these polls, even if they are completely accurate now.

[Volaris]

48. If you're correct, the small % that Martin has been pulling

Would effectively cancel the margin of error..those numbers seem more and more similar to each other as polls tighten up

And that would likely give Sanders wins in not only Iowa and NH, it would do very nice things inside the Nevada caucuses and put him within hitting distance in SC, 'firewalls' be dammned.

At least, that's my take on it

[stillwaiting]

29. We KNOW you are very different from Sanders. That's the huge problem here. nt

[sadoldgirl]

33. Are you complaining that a Bernie supporter points out facts???n/t

[stillwaiting]

34. Sorry. I was speaking to Hillary saying that she has differences from Sanders.

I wasn't complaining about the post or the OP. My complaint is completely focused on Hillary's differences from Sanders. Sorry for the confusion!

I know HRC is very different from Sanders, and it's not for the better.

[brooklynite]

32. She said "spirited debate"...not "debates"

Both candidates are in the field, talking to and answering questions from voters. An artificial forum with questions from the "mainstream media" (that people here seem to hate) isn't essential.

[cascadiance]

50. But in those scenes, the "mainstream media" gets to choose which questions and answers are heard...

... more by other voters and which are confined to just the voter who asked a question to a candidate that this media chooses to ignore.

Real debates make it harder for the media to screen out what they don't want to amplify and to report on what they do want to amplify.

I'd like it more if we could have some truly representative people of the people at large asking the questions in these "artificial forum" debates, so that we get more control of the questions getting asked (so not just Republican debate candidates are asked about the H-1B program for example). But at least having a forum like that where both candidates get a chance to respond to live questions, that a media controller doesn't have the chance to edit out or distort later is preferred over what you are describing which doesn't get heard by most Americans (or in the case of Iowa and New Hampshire, most Iowans and New Hampshire residents) helps us hear more what each candidate is really about with less censoring.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

72. So . . . Alcohol. A spirited debate, eh?

[hootinholler]

81. Is she challenging him to a drink off?

Like with who was it? McCain?

[HereSince1628]

35. Yes, different than Sanders, but via that call Sanders gains equality

as a worthy opponent on the debate stage.

The challengers -always- want to be on the same stage, punching up at persons with better standing.

The champs always want to demean the challengers as unworthy.

A champ, begging for a spirited debate, rather than suggesting a few rounds of rope-a-dope?

I think this is great for gotc (get out the caucuser) in Iowa.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

36. NO - just making plan for the future - Standup comedy

ha

[Ed Suspicious]

37. The underdog always wants more debate.

Desperate to remain relevant.

[Jarqui]

38. Hillary is feelin' the Bern like many in the rest of the country

I say keep it that way - she had her chances - no debates.

Hillary can thank her co-Chair Debbie!

[Lordquinton]

39. You can't make this stuff up

If this were fiction no one would buy it.

[WillyT]

40. Feel The Bern !!!

[salib]

41. So, will DWS make another "decree"

And absolve them from the restrictions on outside debates?

[Feeling the Bern]

43. Front runners have nothing to win and everything to lose going into a debate

This smacks of desperation.

I guess her internal polling has her scared. Ignore Sanders and #FeeltheBern!

[Blue_In_AK]

44. I was surprised to see her being interviewed

on Chris Hayes. I don't remember seeing that any time recently.

[libdem4life]

64. No Kidding. I'll bet he was almost as surprised that she deigned to make herself

available.

[Fuddnik]

47. Her internal polling shows her running 4th in Iowa and New Hampshire.

She's getting scared shitless.

[cascadiance]

51. Might be hard in a field of three candidates, but she did finish 3rd behind Obama and Edwards in 08!

... in Iowa.

[ucrdem]

49. I think she's talking about Sunday's.

Sunday, January 17, 2016
NBC News Democratic Primary Debate
9pm ET (8pm CT, 6pm PT)
Aired On: NBC
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
Sponsors: NBC, Congressional Black Caucus Institute
Moderator: Lester Holt
Candidates: TBD

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/2016-democratic-primary-debate-sch

Iowa will be watching.

[LiberalElite]

52. .

[Autumn]

54. Now she calls for spirited debates?

Because prepping for republicans in the GE is soooo last week. The thing about bullshit is you can smell bullshit.

[jalan48]

63. Looks like the crown has been knocked slightly askew.

[Maedhros]

66. I can't take anything she says seriously. [n/t]

[Kalidurga]

68. She could have done this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in June.

But, she didn't because she felt the schedule was to her benefit. Now she is losing again and this time to a guy with messy hair and not an ounce of GQ that Obama has, plus he can go on and on and on about a topic any topic. And he wants to be *gasp* President of the United States and not the supreme ruler of the world.

[edgineered]

69. Clinton will suspend her campaign and rush to debate for good of country.

Somehow this isn't remembered as a winning strategy?

[Oilwellian]

87. So Hillary was contemplating her Waterloo, in Waterloo

[jfern]

89. If the polls continue the way they're going

Suddenly DWS will be scheduling 20 new debates.

[Binkie The Clown]

90. Now's the time for her to turn nasty and push those likability numbers even further down.

Go Bernie, Go!