2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumChelsea Clinton TAKES ON Bernie Sanders
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Like mother, like daughter!.........The Clintons are desperate.......
Edited to add Chelsea video link. JUDGE FOR YOURSELF:.......
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/chelsea-clinton-takes-aim-at-sanders-over-health-policy-600531523654
Chelsea Clinton made her way around New Hampshire today in attempt to convince voters that they should support her mother, Hillary Clinton, as the next president. Bernie Sanders, Clinton's chief rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, is practically tied with Clinton in voter polls. He now leads Clinton by a slim margin in Iowa for the first time. Until now, Chelsea Clinton has shied away from directly naming Sanders in her speeches. She took a shot at the Vermont senator when asked by a young voter how to best galvanize young Americans, who are excited about Sanders' candidacy.
She then went on to say that she believes her mother has a more robust" record on health care than anyone else in the race. The Clinton campaign has said that Chelsea Clinton will continue stumping for her mother on the campaign trail. She will join her father, former President Bill Clinton, in Iowa for a joint campaign event this weekend.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/chelsea-clinton-takes-bernie-sanders/story?id=36245706
monmouth4
(10,712 posts)TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)She seems as genuine as her mother . It will good to see the back of them after this all blows over . They couldn't lie straight in bed .
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)on the Obamacare goal of health care for all. Obamacare is a makeshift, intermediate program. What we need is single payer. I lived in various European countries. Single payer can take various forms, can be organized in various ways. The principle is what Obamacare moved us toward, and it a principle that Bernie repeats: healthcare is a basic human right.
It is especially true in a country in this time when our government invests so much money in healthcare research and when good healthcare is within the possible reach of every citizen, that healthcare is a fundamental right.
What kind of morality do we have if we continue to accept a system like Obamacare with all of its improvements over what we had before, that does not make healthcare a human right available to all?
What kind of nation are we? What kind of nation is Hillary proposing?
In particular, in our country, we need a special track of health care for people who are fighting chronic alcoholism and drug addiction. One of the big problems in our hospitals is the need to meet the needs of patients who are unable to care for themselves outside the hospital due to mental illness or addiction.
Obamacare offers very little to that segment of our population, and that segment uses a lot of healthcare resources. With single payer we can easily deal with the problems that caring for the mentally ill and for addicts present.
Hillary is simply wrong on the healthcare issue. So is Chelsea. They are mouthing the propaganda of the corporations -- the health insurance companies who could care less about care for the indigent, for the addicted and for the mentally ill. No money to be made on caring for those who need it most, so why bother.
Chelsea should research a topic before talking about it.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)or gobbling up her mother's talking points
too bad...i just lost a little respect for her
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Because e he has stated over and over he wants Medicare for all not for profit insurance for all, which is what the ACA is.
But I don't know Chelsea so it is hard for me to have respect for her just because she has famous parents.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)she has been around this her whole life...i think she probably knows what she is doing
senz
(11,945 posts)than to suggest that Bernie's universal health care would be worse than what we have now.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)hate to say it, but she waded into this freely
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)What say her portfolio is examined closely for all investments in the privately manipulated health care industry...
A number of hedge funds were selling out of Johnson & Johnson (A wide variety of health care devices in acute care, of which we have an over-abundencee and which is being managed terribly). That is why our current system of delivering health care takes over 17% of our GDP. Hey, George Soros owned 2.6 million shares of J&J at the end of 2012...
Then, there's the leading hospital company HCA Holdings which has become considerably more popular among hedge funds. Remember our friend in Medicare fraud, Rick Scott? Yeah, that HCA (my old employer).
The 1 percent can't even formulate an argument. She and they can't count themselves among the persons that would be helped by single payer for these obvious fascist reasons.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)for the entire Clinton clan. I will NOT want HRC anywhere near the White House!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)pnwmom
(110,261 posts)What we need to do is adopt better price controls.
http://nation.time.com/2012/08/16/health-insurance-switzerland-has-its-own-kind-of-obamacare-and-loves-it/
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)be required to accept any applicant.
For me, the important thing is to insure everyone.
That is where our Obamacare fails. It does not insure everyone.
Yes. We need better price controls. It is obscene that some companies gouge sick and dying patients. Just obscene.
pnwmom
(110,261 posts)to accept subsidies.
So if Switzerland has that requirement that's a significant difference.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And that is bad news. Everyone should be insured. I don't quite understand why people are still uninsured, but they are.
Duval
(4,280 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)It's so ugly to watch. I knew from 2008 that Hillary played dirty but sure wasn't expecting it from Chelsea in 2016.
I think we're all in for a rough ride from here on out.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)And she knows it's not true as well.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Just lame. I feel sorry for her, sorta, but not much.
randys1
(16,286 posts)throwing on Chelsea?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)A single payer system eliminates the need for those programs. It does not attack them, it improves upon the patchwork we now have.
Her argument, and her mother's, are bull shit.
gordyfl
(598 posts)her to memorize those talking points?
You're right. Single payer, Medicare for All eliminates the need for those programs. You know it. Hillary knows it. Chelsea knows it. Somehow they think, by phrasing it that way, they will frighten voters.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)that is the only similarity I see. If she is seriously standing up there and accusing Sanders of wanting to destroy CHIP and the ACA, she is living in another reality.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)I had hopes for her. She has clearly bought into the family viewpoint concerning truth.
Jackilope
(819 posts)No more Bush family, and no more Clintons. What Chelsea is spewing is pathectic and wrong, but very Clinton-esc. When ideas and issues don't work, scare, scare, scare.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)I am hoping somewhere down the pike that Michelle will get politically active. She certainly has the smarts and youth on her side.
Of course we'll have to let a few million geriatric "Obama-haters" pass on to the next life to permit her the opportunity to survive the mud and bull-shit shoveling done by Fox-nonsense and the Erich wing radio cabal.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Lying.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)hootinholler
(26,451 posts)They have raised a saccharin little liar.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)100% full of shit. And since we have this thing called video, not to mention a wealth of written material as a fact checking tool, this will not help their cause.
It absolutely smells of desperation.
Segami
(14,923 posts)The only negative crap here is coming out of Chelsea's mouth about Bernie.....maybe you can't grasp that reality or care to.
What is Chelsea trying to imply here?
Scare tactics (like mom) that Bernie is going to take away people's Obamacare, CHIP program, Medicare and private insurance?
Give it a rest......distortions are now being promoted by Hillary's daughter.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Ideally Sanders would like to open Medicare to all.
The apple didn't fall far from the tree. Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,461 posts)That's some republican level bull shit - saying Sanders wants to dismantle Obamacare and Medicare.
That's going to backfire on them big time. Democrats aren't stupid. That shit flys at teabagger rallies. Why on earth would they think they can get away with that in a Democratic primary.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)...I want universal healthcare.
djean111
(14,255 posts)step towards single payer? NOPE. The establishment is all for the private insurance and rising profits. And then there are those who would deny the millions who still are not insured, because "Obama's legacy".
Sorry, but the only word I can come up with right now is "assholes". We were sold a bill of goods.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)appreciate Bernie's push in that direction, but, after all, what national healthcare reform of any degree did he ever make happen? Some respect for those who worked for it for decades and for the administration that finally succeeded where he did not is in order.
Obama passed the ACA after only 6 years in Washington, and that was while he battling the global Great Recession and a congress determined to cause him to fail in every effort.
Bernie's spent 25 years in Washington and not only never made healthcare reform happen but also has has no other personal achievement of really great significance to show for those years. He spent them voting with the Democratic caucus 94% of the time, and we know how most bernistas despise all the others like that...
I'll support Bernie enthusiastically if he gets the nomination, but it'll be with my eyes wide open. As it is, I respect the real Bernie a lot more than most of his so-called supporters here.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)But Sanders knew Democrats desperately needed his vote. He used that leverage in a successful fight to increase funding for community health centers comprehensive clinics in medically underserved areas that provide doctors, dentists, mental health counselors and prescription drugs on a sliding-scale fee so that nobody is turned away.
http://billmoyers.com/2013/10/11/what-%E2%80%98defunding-obamacare%E2%80%99-really-means/
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is in the ACA, including 200 amendments the GOP used the very same tactic Bernie used to get included (only THEY then broke their word by refusing to vote for their joint product).
Bernie not only was not one of the leaders who got this landmark legislation passed, he was against it because it didn't go far enough. His contribution could have been far larger and more important than this one item if he was one of those who made healthcare reform happen. He could have had many of his ideas included as he worked on drafting it. But he wasn't and didn't, and that's the point.
Bernie not only failed to make healthcare reform of any kind happen, but he also has had no large achievements over 25 years in Congress.
And no endorsements from his colleagues. He was never a leader, just a minor congressman in a crowd of hundreds.
Bernie is singing my song in a number of verses, and I'll vote for him if it comes to that, but IMO he's not a quarter of the leader for change that Martin O'Malley has been.
senz
(11,945 posts)making a huge difference in the lives of rural poor people, he also worked across the aisle to improve veterans' health care.
Worthwhile accomplishments in the real world. More than your candidate ever did, I might add.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Nothing. How about home health care for rural elderly? Nothing.
Look, the community clinics contribution IS significant, and no doubt it's meant a lot to those it helps, but it is such a small part of a whole that OTHER PEOPLE made happen.
Left to Bernie, insurance companies would still be canceling our policies because we got sick and people with preexisting conditions would still be unable to get coverage. And, particularly of note, Bernie would not have been able to help all those community clinics.
In a community of leaders, Bernie has never been even an assistant leader, much less a mover and shaker.
And, considering that he could conceivably become our next president, and given the big changes we would expect him to finally make happen, it might even be better if we could say he was not yet tested -- that'd be better than a 25-year test that produced...mediocrity and an amazing lack of support from those who've worked with him all those years. As it is, if he was a failed president, it'd be our fault for electing someone with his record.
senz
(11,945 posts)if you're so interested? You're just throwing mud and hoping it sticks. You guys are acting desperate. Is this what we can expect of you from here on out?
As for being a leader, Bernie Sanders served several terms as Mayor of Burlington prior to his long stints as congressman and senator.
Now go ahead and put that down.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)record than the vast majority of his followers here. I wanted to know if I could back him in spite of his amateurish, uncommitted entry into this race and concluded that his history was even less impressive. He opposed the Second Gulf War. I did too and like that. But it's hardly enough.
As for mayor of a prosperous little white town? I am charging Bernie with failing to be even an assistant leader among his peers in Washington. The big leagues he disappeared into with all that small-town experience.
But my main fear -- after losing the presidency with Bernie as our candidate of course -- is this: Americans often choose to split their votes between parties, president one party, congress another. We have a good chance to take leadership of the Senate. Thanks to the chaos in the GOP, even regaining the House is no longer absolutely completely impossible, and at least we should substantially increase the number of our seats.
However, I'm afraid that if America went to far as to elect someone like Bernie, they might lean even more the other direction down ticket: balance the left-wing iconoclaust with a bunch of conservatives to keep him in check, guaranteeing another 4 to 8 years of gridlock while plutocrats continue to infiltrate the government, sack the country, and legislate away our rights. And after that, just like today unhappy people would probably be ready again for a "change" -- to a GOP president.
Uh-uh.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)keep him in check? BWAHAHAHAHA! I think its been a while to see a politician with integrity in the country.
Uh-huh.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And also the Senate, House, and many state governorships and state legislatures.
With 3 ideologically good Democratic candidates, the big issue is which one has the best chance to beat the GOP candidate.
This isn't a game. Losing would be disastrous for our nation.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)You simply don't know what you are talking about. Did you make the same arguments towards Obama? He wasn't experienced either and I think he's done a decent job despite being blocked at every turn.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)The fact that these people need to lie is very telling. A single payer system makes the old patchwork of programs obsolete.
You may as well argue that the automobile eliminated the ability for people to transport themselves because of the damage done to blacksmith's businesses all around the world.
I never thought she would be arguing this either. Especially dishonestly.
Just Plain Bull Shit!
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)wants to get rid of everything! That's a comment for low information voters...and Chelsea... Bernie followers are well informed.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)what she said.
tazkcmo
(7,419 posts)You've never known a struggle, hardship or anything remotely challenging besides trying to decide on which designer outfit to wear. Don't get me wrong, you seem to be a nice person but that's it. You're just another 1%er living the good life. Now be good little rich girl and go count your money.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)"Another Hedge Fund Manager" for Clinton!
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I mean the twisting of fact and lies is just sickening.
I haven't followed this woman at all, other than her marrying from money into money. Eh.. her choice. I have had no opinion.
But after this, not that it matters, I have no respect for her whatsoever.
I guess the walnut doesn't fall far from the tree.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)It's been quite a few years since Rush Limbaugh asked his television audience, "Did you know there's a White House dog?" and then "mistakenly" cut to a picture of Chelsea Clinton.
People were outraged, in part at Limbaugh's usual level of discourse, and in part at the fact he was attacking a child.
Outrage was correct on both count at the time, but guess what? Chelsea's not a child any more. If the Clintons thought the Limbaugh episode would serve as handy inoculation into Chelsea's political future, they're in for a surprise.
sarge43
(29,173 posts)An adult makes a political stump speech; s/he's open to criticism, especially s/he tells bare face lies.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)I might agree. But she is a fully grown-up adult actively who is married to a very wealthy hedge fund manager and she is campaigning and serving as a surrogate for Secretary Clinton.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)She's not a fragile Faberge egg who cant be criticized
cali
(114,904 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)By the way she isn't a kid.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)and she's a grownup last I checked.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Nor do I get why anyone should.
Duval
(4,280 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)It's the Clinton lying gene. She's been sent out to spew the lies with the thinking "Bernie won't attack Chelsea." Chelsea isn't 12 anymore. She's campaigning so she's fair game.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
markpkessinger
(8,912 posts)"The apple doesn't fall far from the tree." And in this case, that's a real shame.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)this is clear smear on bernie.
as i said on twitter do they really thing a previlged white woman married to top 1% guy is going to change young voters minds.
She is as dishonest as her parents.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)but she has no specific subject matter expertise or experience to lend any credence to her opinion.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Hill has to be an amazingly proud mother.
Ron Green
(9,870 posts)blue I don't think I've ever encountered.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)
http://mentalfloss.com/article/59328/19-colors-youve-probably-never-heard
Duval
(4,280 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)honesty and ethics could be considered a form of neglect.
Guess it depends on what your values are.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)The cost of insurance goes up and up while the quality of care doesn't. Of course the insurance companies make a boatload of money.
As usual, if there is ANY benefit for the little people ask who is feeding at the public trough. We could have better quality healthcare at a cheaper price and cover EVERYONE.
It's getting hard to defend to my, shall we say, less than
enlightened, God, guns and (extra exceptional) country friends.
Best I can do is explain that it's an old Republican plan.
But history began 1-20-09, so...
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Yeah Bernie wants to eliminate public Healthcare progrsms. Okay Chelsea...
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Awful.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)You'll never pay premiums for insurance, yet lack the money to actually see the doctor. I'm so sick of these people who are so out of touch, they can't even imagine the reality for millions today. AND let's not forget, millions are still NOT insured.
elleng
(141,926 posts)Senator Sanders wants to dismantle Obamacare, dismantle the CHIP program, dismantle Medicare and private insurance.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)They have been putting out deceptive spin on Senator Sanders policy initiatives for awhile. This doesn't surprise me at all. I think they are concerned that their own milquetoast reforms are not garnering any traction and that Sanders is starting to gain momentum while Hillary is starting to crumble in Iowa and New Hampshire.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)That seems to now be shown as a family tradition! Will Chelsea then try to claim that Bernie voting for ACA earlier to get it passed is an example of him flip flopping to couple with her LIE implying that he is wanting to dismantle health care (by trying to implicitly rationalize that wanting to replace ACA with single payer is "dismantling health care" for people).
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and with the daughter doing it, its even more pathetic
shut down bernie
shut out martin
prop up hillary
repeat.....
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
kath
(10,565 posts)Jeebus H. Christ.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)now hill is exploiting her daughter. is there anyone or anything she wont use to get her hands on the power she feels she is entitled to......
azmom
(5,208 posts)galvanize young voters? WTF
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)Is it crazy to think that the timing of Chelsea's pregnancy is tied into mom's campaign?
The kid will be born right around convention time, and there will certainly be lots of pictures of grandma with the cute little baby in her arms.
Bill is already pushing the Great Grandma meme by bringing up what a great Grandmother Hillary is.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Yeah.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)There was no need to go there....
senz
(11,945 posts)now that doesn't go over so well.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)And incredibly offensive.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)lostnfound
(17,520 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)She's the child of famous people.
She's married to a hedge fund manager.
She makes 75K to give speeches about diarrhea.
I mean, I don't think she's bad or evil or anything, but she's not what I'd call an expert on this.
Segami
(14,923 posts)"I'm obsessed with diarrhea."
On edit: It's really about clean drinking water, which is a noble cause, of course, but she tends to go on about the fecal matter malady.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Well the University of Missouri got a bargain.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/246521-chelsea-clinton-got-65k-for-speech
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)and their children who have been drinking poisoned water provided to them by their Republican Governor and his cronies.
Now there's a noble fight.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)Her husband being himself the son of a pair of grifters.
His father, Ed Mezvinsky, was a two-term Democratic congressman, representing Iowa's first congressional district from 1973 to 1977.But in 2002, the former congressman pleaded guilty to swindling more than $10 million from family and friends in a Ponzi-esque scheme.
Ed Mezvinsky himself also fell prey to a number of get-rich-quick schemes, including a "black money" scam in which a Nigerian man allegedly sold him a chemical that was supposed to remove ink off of $100 bills. Authorities say scammers probably used plain black construction paper.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/09/meet-charlotte-clinton-mezvinskys-dad-marc-mezvinsky/
Mezvinsky, now 77, pled guilty to 31 counts of bank, mail and wire fraud in 2003 after using his friendship with the Clintons to win over his victims.
Daughter Chelseas father-in-law, convicted felon Ed Mezvinsky, is under fire from his former fraud victims. According to the unlucky dupes, Mezvinsky stole more than $10 million and has yet to pay it back!
Mezvinsky, the father of Chelseas husband, Marc, served five years in federal prison after pilfering $10 million from investors. He was released in April 2008, but hes currently accused of being in violation of his plea agreement because he hasnt paid back his victims!
Its a little irritating that he brags about his sons [$10.5 million] apartment when his son should loan him the money to pay back his debt! one angry victim, Dr. Jason Theodosakis, told The ENQUIRER. He could borrow [the restitution] from his sons in-law [Bill and Hillary]!
Then there's Chelsea's lovely mother in law - whose attempt to claim bankruptcy was thrown out of court by a woman bankruptcy judge who found Mrs. Mezvinsky's testimony "not credible", i.e., a pack of lies.
Marjorie has always like to wheel and deal.
There's this hot mess: http://articles.mcall.com/1993-12-10/news/2943448_1_margolies-mezvinsky-president-clinton-white-house
Flap Over Entitlement Summit Could Burn Margolies-mezvinsky
Preparations for a presidential extravaganza meant to rescue U.S. Rep. Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky from the brink of political extinction might wind up pushing her over the edge. The freshman Democrat hosts President Clinton and key members of his Cabinet Monday at Bryn Mawr College in Montgomery County for a conference on cutting federal entitlement spending.
But since news broke that Margolies-Mezvinsky's former campaign treasurer solicited up to $50,000 from corporations in return for promises of a "high-profile role" in the event: *A defensive White House has announced that neither Clinton nor his Cabinet will share a panel with corporate sponsors to avoid "even the appearance that this was a quid pro quo."
The political brushfire threatens to burn Margolies-Mezvinsky and singe Clinton, said analysts who were incredulous at the turn of events. "She made it look like she traded her (budget) vote for the conference," said David Buffington, publisher of a newsletter on Pennsylvania politics. "And now, she's making it look like she's trading her conference for money."
"She made it look like she traded her (budget) vote for the conference," said David Buffington, publisher of a newsletter on Pennsylvania politics. "And now, she's making it look like she's trading her conference for money." "She's turned her little affair into a real political soapbox," said Terry Madonna, of Millersville University.
Ed Mezvinsky's business dealings appeared to generate millions of dollars for the family, until a federal grand jury indictment in 2001 exposed frauds reaching back more than 10 years. He pleaded guilty in 2003 to 29 of counts of bank, mail and wire fraud.
From 1995 to 2000, Mezvinsky made $13 million, almost $11 million of it fraudulently, the grand jury indictment stated. He burned through $6 million by taking money from some people, including Margolies' mother, to pay off others, the indictment said.
About $2.6 million went to con men who duped Mezvinsky out of money, including an early version of the Nigerian email scam in which he traveled to Africa to collect millions of dollars he was promised after paying the con men thousands.
Only in January 2000 did this pattern end, when Mezvinsky ran out of victims from whom to obtain money, the indictment said. At that time, he filed for bankruptcy protection.
Margolies filed for bankruptcy the next month.
kath
(10,565 posts)Daughter of two ethically- and truth-challenged parents finds true love with son of two grifters.
What a set of four grandparents Charlotte has.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)I mean, I'm used to hearing disingenuous crap from Hillary's surrogates, but this takes insulting the audience's inteligence to a really desperate sounding new low.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)thought the feminine touch of Chelsea might work. Face plant, part 2. Desperation comes in all colors, sizes and lies.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:58 AM - Edit history (1)
Low turnout for 2 of his 3 Pennsylvania appearances - scheduled all across the state for the same day. He flatout canceled the middle one (Bethlehem) with no explanation, apology or promise to reschedule. Those who did see him described him as thin, frail, not his old self, etc. The man has debilitating heart disesase, has had two surgeries including a quadruple bypass, and his older brother died of heart disease.
Hey, Hillary! What are you trying to do to him? Surely his cardiologist explained to you both that cold weather is dangerous to heart patients?!?!? Yet you scheduled him for TWENTY fundraisers around the country in the month of December.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I can see why he canceled. I didn't realize how serious his health condition was. Maybe he insisted on going out to campaign, but Hillary needs to over-rule him on this, if he did.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Bill is like an old racehorse. Put a saddle on him, lead him to the starting gate and sound the bugle. He'll run his heart out - if no one cares enough about him to protect him from himself. And apparently neither his wife nor daughter do.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)She had a potential future in the Democratic party. Looks like the apple doesn't fall far form the tree. Bold faced liar just like the rest of her family.
Edit: MSNBC ripping these "bizarre..lies.." as "disingenuous." HRC needs to fire her messaging people.
DonCoquixote
(13,961 posts)and Then George P. Bush can hopefully not look as bad as his dad.
cali
(114,904 posts)global1
(26,507 posts)for Bernie to refute and explain what his platform is regarding healthcare and why it is the way to proceed. They are making it easy for him to put his platform out there and make it visible.
Once he answers back - it will be easy for The People to see what the Clinton campaign is trying to do here.
Bernie's honesty will win out and the lies and the bending of words by the Clinton campaign will be exposed and further cement in the minds of The People that Hillary is just another desperate politician willing to do or say anything to get elected.
Notice I did not mention Chelsea here. I'm casting this cloud over the whole Clinton campaign. Somewhere along the line the Clinton campaign is derailing themselves. They are their own worst enemy. They are doing all those things that The People hate about politicians. This will backfire on the Clinton campaign. Having Bill Clinton on the campaign trail was a mistake as well.
ms liberty
(11,237 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)That should be enough.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)MelissaB
(16,595 posts)I don't know why I'm surprised.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Senator Sanders of course doesn't want to do any of those things and she knows it.
However, somebody needs to do something about Obamacare. As it is currently being administered it is not sustainable. The cost controls that dictated ceilings on administrative costs aren't being followed and the premiums are going to eventually spiral out of sight. When its cheaper to pay the penalty than get the insurance, it'll be back to the emergency room for basic health care for many Americans.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I am sure that is going to go over well.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)An old scrappy guy already has the market there, my dear. Surprise!
Melissa G
(10,170 posts)Medicare for All!!!
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)...wanted to do in the 1990s.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)Green Forest
(232 posts)I hope those who have been singing their praises get a reality check.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)Using Chelsea as an attack dog?
So, Shrum said he hoped it was an unscripted attack because it make all the Clintons look bad.
Which brought him to the point that the downside of having all three of them out there campaigning makes it look like "the Clintons" are running for the nomination -- another big mistake.
Peregrine Took
(7,583 posts)I can't believe what a mind boggling mistake it is for HRC to be enlisting Bill's aid on the trail...she should be keeping him at arms' length.
SHE is running for president - why does she need to have him around? She needs to show independence of him.
IMO, (and I'm a 70 yr old woman) Bill and Chelsea are being used to "spell" Hillary and give her a "down" time between speaking engagements.
If she succeeds in getting the nomination I guess they will have to find even more Clinton's out there to fill in for her at rallies.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Who knows, maybe Billy Beer will even make a comeback?
LiberalArkie
(19,807 posts)We will be listening to the Republicans using the same tactic and them having to come to defense of Medicare, Obamacare, CHIP etc to attack Bernie.
demwing
(16,916 posts)OH NOES, NOT THE INSURANCE CARTELS!!!
Will no one think about the poor actuaries?
Fucking good on Bernie, says I, and to hell with healthcare grifters.
ejbr
(5,892 posts)How else will she secure lucrative contracts for her husband if her mom is not Prez?
Dretownblues
(253 posts)She didn't answer the question about energizing young voters we can assume they have no clue how to do it, so they are just going to revert to attacks and misinformation. Right out of the Republican playbook.
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)forget everything I said, they ARE as dumb as Dubya
next they'll be saying he's a Wall Street/MIC stooge who hired AQ for Libya and IS for Syria ...
and of course Chelsea's been put in their "youth/female outreach" like Lena Dunham--rich, somewhat nepotistic, but since they're under 35 and female they assume everyone matching their demographics will "relate"

this li'l buddy's next
neverforget
(9,513 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)I hope the Clintons are very happy with all that money, and that they'll just go the hell away...
Politicub
(12,328 posts)For having the audacity to say something about Sanders.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)And she deserves all the criticism that comes her way.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)If you're going to go on the stump and tell blatant lies about your opponent, you get what's coming to you.
The wheels are coming off the Weathervane Express.
andrewv1
(168 posts)Even though it's been said here before...
The Clinton Supporters are in more of need of the Sanders folks than the other way around if she is the nominee.
She's not going to get any support from Independents in a GE that's for sure.
So, win the battle & lose the war;
Keep on going with that rationalization....
The Wielding Truth
(11,433 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)Do you think Chelsea's remarks are truthful? Really?
I am stunned that anyone would believe her facile deceit.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)is a euphemism for be called on telling lies, I guess you are correct.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Or political ball-tickling hedge fund managing firms like Eaglevale Partners.
Sorry Chelsea. I like you, but you've got the same problem that Barney "Signature bank" Frank does when talking shit about Bernie.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)backfire. This is not even truthiness anymore, these are
blatant lies.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)nuances and inferences and nods and all the other niceties. Sounds straight up ugly.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Like mother, like daughter.
And the tone deaf 1%ers actually think this kind of shit will work.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)I wish this lying pack of corporate sellouts would just go away. If I wanted that crap, I would vote Republican.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)But really, this is Donald Trump/Ted Cruz level dishonesty.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)There aren't enough votes in Congress to pass single payer.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Senator Sanders wants to dismantle Obamacare, dismantle the CHIP program, dismantle Medicare and private insurance.
Conflating the last with the rest is disingenuous at best.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)kenn3d
(486 posts)This is desperation and a LIE. It will backfire.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)What on earth is wrong with the Clintons?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)and clearly show that she has no grasp of the Senators political positions.
MisterFred
(525 posts)I'm a Sanders supporter, and I disagree with Mrs. Clinton's argument. However, I've got no beef with Chelsea. All the best to her.
TBF
(36,670 posts)Your friend, Third Way TBF
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)(Wall Street?) No wonder she doesn't like Bernie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Clinton#Personal_life
And her father-in-law spent five years in prison for scamming $10 million out of family and friends in a Ponzi scheme.
(Makes Bernie look like the saint he is)
http://www.bustle.com/articles/131322-who-is-marc-mezvinsky-chelsea-clintons-husband-comes-from-another-much-less-famous-political-family
Divernan
(15,480 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Like a political version of Family Feud or something?
Why can't the Clintons behave in a more professional manner?
markpkessinger
(8,912 posts). . . in fact, I think it's to be expected. I do have a problem with this kind of blatant dishonesty, however -- especially when BOTH Mom & Dad were big advocates of single-payer during Dad's attempt to reform healthcare.
Here's a hint, Chelsea: if you want to help your mother, perhaps you should stay away from the kind of tactics that have turned people off to your mother in the first place!
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)sway some voters. But perhaps not to the candidate she prefers.
New Hampshire's polling suggests a strong presence for the Sanders campaign.
Can't blame Chelsea Clinton for her loyalty to her mother. But I'm not real sure her appearances will boost her mom's chances.
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)I've thought all along it wouldn't be a problem and that's before factoring in tonight's SOU.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)The apple didn't fall very far it seems.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)I could of sworn attacking Universal Healthcare was a no no when it comes to Democrats
Are Democrats suppose to knell to Healthcare insurance cartels and kiss United health, Atena, Bluecross and others' rings
Her mother sold out on Healthcare when she ran for the senate
Karma13612
(4,982 posts)that your Mom's campaign is not ringing true, is not attracting followers, not lighting up the airwaves?
If you choose to follow in your parent's footsteps, you are going to be cut off from the rich future of America. You will be stuck inside gated mansions, dining in sterile exclusive restaurants ensconced in booths with other very wealthy yet phony people.
You will travel to countries who have forged deep ties with the Clinton Foundation, but have not cared about their own citizens.
Do you want this?
Is this really who you are??
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)she is old enough now to have broken with family tradition if she wanted.
she didn't
arcane1
(38,613 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)she needs to get her facts straight. What she's saying is bullshit. This reeks of desperation.
Duval
(4,280 posts)send their daughter to stump for them. I think this is a huge mistake on Clinton's part. Plus, this makes me even more determined to Get Out the Vote for Sanders. Major fail, IMHO
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Who will pay her mommy's speaking fees?
senz
(11,945 posts)Finally I can laugh...
4dsc
(5,787 posts)last1standing
(11,709 posts)She has her hedge fund daughter, who has never had to worry about a medical bill in her life, on the campaign trail lying about healthcare to people who desperately need access that doesn't bankrupt them or leave them choosing between food or medicine.
And she's sending her daughter because she thinks everyone will treat her with kid gloves.
I won't. Chelsea Clinton is lying her ass off for personal greed. She wants to make Damned sure that she never has to pay for someone else's healthcare so she's maligning the one person in the race advocating for decent healthcare for EVERYONE!
Mrs. Hedgefund needs to go back to her Manhattan flat and try to instill better values in her children than she was apparently taught.
senz
(11,945 posts)I'm too horrified by the whole thing to even be coherent. It's mind-boggling that they did this to their own child.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)Senator Sanders wants Single payer which will beat the hell out of people buying private insurance, many who do purchase it can't fucking afford to use it. Should Chelsea be hospitalized she will never go bankrupt or struggle to pay the Dr, and hospital bill. This young woman has no clue what life is like.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)lastone
(588 posts)Fuck the Clinton's at this point, that is such a disingenuous attack I can not let it slide. Scaring people with a lie, thanks republican lite candidate Clinton. And using her DAUGHTER to do it. Fuck that.
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Gene Debs
(582 posts)Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)Member of the Lucky Sperm Club, had incalculable amount of doors opened to her, given endless opportunity to do good...and used it to go get a job on Wall Street and marry a banking tycoon
Gawdless Pinko Lib
(75 posts)will Amy Carter be blasting Sanders next?
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)Got herself arrested, alongside Abbie Hoffman, for protesting Reagan on a campus once
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)And she's going to campaign in Iowa That is priceless.
See, her felonious father-in-law, "Fast Eddie" Mezvinsky, the guy who stills owes $10 million to the victims of the scams for which he served time in federal prison - well he started out as a state legislator.
He won a seat in the Iowa Legislature in 1968 and made headlines by demanding forthright business practices to protect consumers. During the legislative session, he held up a sausage that he said had rat claws in it. He earned his first nickname: "Rat Claw" Mezvinsky. Fellow legislators smelled an attention-seeker.
Then he was elected Congressman from Iowa's 1st district - good family man with wife of 10 years and 4 kids. But when he hit the bright lights of Washington, he fell for a hot little TV correspondent and dumped the wifey for her ("her" being the mother of Chelsea's hubby). Iowa's voters then dumped him.
So Myra Schulman Mezvinsky, age 73, now living in Virginia won't be around to welcome Chelsea to Iowa. http://crab.rutgers.edu/~mchugh/nigeriamezvinsky.html
Whirlpool of lies swallows Mezvinsky
By MIKE KILEN
Register Staff Writer
08/03/2003 Eglin Air Force Base, Fla. - Ed Mezvinsky was a whiz at taking people's money.
A quarter-million here, a half-million there - 8,000 transactions in five years. When shady African businessmen opened a suitcase of money, he was there to inspect it. When wealthy American investors were looking for a good return, he was there to offer one.
He was "Fast Talkin" Eddie." That's what political reporters privately called him in the 1970s.
Mezvinsky knows about wretched endings.
He is 66 and serving the beginning of an 80-month sentence in federal prison for numerous charges, including bank, wire and mail fraud. He took people's money - more than $10 million - in elaborate lies and schemes.
Prosecutors later would call Mezvinsky a one-man "crime wave" and said they uncovered elements of fraud in nearly every business deal of his dating to 1980. "We didn't even bother to look back farther," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Robert Zauzmer.
kath
(10,565 posts)Nice to get the facts about the merging of two sleazy families.
Broward
(1,976 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)And not b/c she called out Sanders; I am just so over the Clintons.
Dawson Leery
(19,568 posts)Ignore the leftist haters.
My parents love their Medicare and I love my Obamacare.
We can improve Obamacare, do NOT repeal it.
cali
(114,904 posts)Obamacare unless and until it's replaced by single payer Medicare for all.
Clinton disgusting lying and smearing. It's a family affair.
Jackilope
(819 posts)What is wrong with Medicare for all/ single payer?
Obamacare would have been more effective with public option. As it is now, costs for insurance in the ACA offerings are going up. I am all for Bernie wanting to strengthen Medicare and extend it to all. He is also for strengthening Social Security.
Any hating is on the LIES. Chelsea lied. Few are buying the lies.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)So, it's okay with you that Chelsea lied? smdh...
Please see post # 99 herein above. Please, do not believe Chelsea's lies.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Stop publishing her statements and make her go away. She deserves no more coverage than all the other millions of voters.
stage left
(3,307 posts)is not dismantling Medicare. Chelsea is a very poor liar.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Really?
I would like to hear her explain those comments.
IF she does not correct them, then we'll know it was pure political dirty pool.
Chelsea, don't make me say shame, Shame, SHAME on you!
Bernblu
(441 posts)The Clintons have finally jumped the shark, all three of them. I wonder which political genius thought this was a good idea? Did they rehire Mark Penn or Dick Morris? Their act is old and should be off the air, hopefully soon.