History of Feminism
Related: About this forumJust a funny thing...
In another feminist group, we were having a conversation about the all-encompassing nature of P and the always depressing moment when you realize that the men you love and respect still harbor some shreds of it in their statements or behaviors. As we were chatting away about the constant demands that we 'lighten up' and compromise and accept the various misogynist and sexist things that come along with being a woman in the P as just part of living in the 'real world', a charming wonderful intelligent young woman whom I'll credit as Claire S. posted this, and I found it brilliant and also amusing and wanted to share.
" Something gross and intimidating) Hey, I'm just showing you what the world is like. You should be thanking me."
"You are the most naive person in the world if you think that your male partner _________."
"This is just how guys think."
"This is just how guys talk."
(Preceding making a point, or used AS the point being made) "Well, he's a guy."
"Well, he's a teenage boy."
"Well, he's a boy."
"Boys will be boys."
"But you don't understand the effect that testosterone has."
AAAAAND *drum roll*
"You say that like all men do it. That's so unfair, and it's sexist. Stop lumping all men into the same category."
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I was reading a thread in which the preponderance of emasciated-looking models was being discussed, and of course there came along the comments from men sharing their views about how they preferred to see women who are more full figured, and it reminded me of this, and so I will share it too, in the hopes that some of you might also find it amusing, because we could all use some more feminist humor, I think.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)it is whether we all feel that we're all objectified and found acceptable by the P's standards. Surely that's the important thing? Yes?
Silly woman.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)iverglas
(38,549 posts)about hairy armpits.
Doesn't matter to them whether we shave our armpits, so where's the issue??
But hey, it's really just part of the present culture. My opinion and the fact that I have one is what matters, right?
Never about the real issue, of course.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)But he's been gone a long ass time.
iverglas
(38,549 posts)The right and need to have an opinion about anything and everything -- and most especially, anyone and everyone -- and to do so without a shred of responsibility for knowing anything about the subject of the opinion.
And the public adulation and admiration with which the mere stating of an opinion must be greated.
And the hostility with which any challenge to an opinion may be met ... because, you know, everybody has a right to have an opinion about everything and everybody ...
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)if my first post had been.... of course, they are all horn dogs and will fuck anything, i would have been attacked endlessly with "You say that like all men do it. That's so unfair, and it's sexist. Stop lumping all men into the same category."
but, because i said you know, there are a lot of men that would not appreciate being told they would fuck an android i had this:
" Something gross and intimidating) Hey, I'm just showing you what the world is like. You should be thanking me."
"You are the most naive person in the world if you think that your male partner _________."
"This is just how guys think."
"This is just how guys talk."
(Preceding making a point, or used AS the point being made) "Well, he's a guy."
"Well, he's a teenage boy."
"Well, he's a boy."
"Boys will be boys."
"But you don't understand the effect that testosterone has."
yes, it is funny.
boston bean
(36,220 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)It doesn't matter what we say
How we say it
To people who toss around statements like those, it is always "the wrong way", "the wrong approach", or "the wrong thing to say".
I am exhausted from it. Just exhausted. From real life, more than from DU.
Fuck everyone who pulls that shit anywhere anytime.
That is akin to invalidating my life experience --- to telling me and everyone else who has a "problem" with it that our opinion doesn't count.
Nobody gets to tell me my experience is "wrong".
Nobody.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Sorry to barge in, this is my first time in this forum! You guys have got a very active and interesting little area here.
BlueIris
(29,135 posts)Yes, we do have a very "active and interesting 'little' area here." It's not for disruptors, however.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Thanks for your concern.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)the all encompassing nature of which makes it hard to detect. Because the conditions we live in are all around us all the time, noticing them is akin to fish noticing water.
Number23
(24,544 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)good to see you
Number23
(24,544 posts)Nice digs you got here.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)I used to foster and sometimes had mother cats with kittens.
Most mama cats seem to naturally wean their kittens between 8 and 10 weeks. (Or the kittens decide to wean, who knows.)
But once in a while the kittens will nurse much longer (if mom is accommodating). If the mom is tiny, that picture is what happens... kittens almost as big as mom still nursing.
Also interesting that in colonies or other situations where more than one mom with litters is living the same place at the same time, mommy cats will usually share nursing duties. Once I had 3 litters of kittens (with 3 mommy cats) at the same time, and it was a free-for-all when it came to nursing. The kittens would *usually* gravitate toward their own mothers, but they all got around.
Anyway that picture made me smile. I miss having mommy cats with kittens. Mommy cats rock.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Ive been lurking on the Who Needs Feminism Facebook page for a while now, and Ive learned a great deal of ways to argue against feminism, which for our extents and purposes, is the radical notion that women and men are equal.
1. Argument from Attractiveness
They dont teach this one in intro to philosophy classes, but did you guys know that the validity of a womans argument is directly proportional to a womans sexual desirability? The male corollary to this one is that the validity of a mans argument is directly proportional to how much pussy he scores. E.g. Youre an ugly Asian. Argument invalid. This ones a virgin if I ever saw one. Furthermore, if it is discovered that the woman in question has sex (and maybe even enjoys it??), you can call her a slut and declare victory right away.
2. The Sandwich Argument
This one is fairly simple and versatile. Whenever a woman voices an opinion, you simply demand that she go make you a sandwich. A subgenre of this argument is the, Get back in the kitchen argument, which is slightly more adaptable to the situation. For instance, you can ask, Who put a computer in the kitchen? Or make funny jokes like, Why cant women drive? Because theres no road between the kitchen and the bedroom or If a man hits a woman with a car, whos fault is it? The mans, because he shouldnt have been driving in the kitchen. The PG13 version of all this is, Tits or GTFO.
3. The Card Card
Slightly more subtle than the previous ones, this one involves accusing the person bringing up a subject with playing the x card. If youll recall, Barack Obama was accused of playing the race card, probably because hes black, and because white people never benefit from their skin color. On a discussion of sexual assault or income inequality, a bright young lad argued that women were always playing the victim card. Presumably because people who are victimized and then speak out about it have some underlying motive, like not wanting to be victimized.
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