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Related: About this forumYellow Fever: The Exotification of Asian Women
(Only a mag like psychology today would come up with a word like "exotification"--and that term "rice picking"? OMFG.)
Most men with Yellow Fever know they have Yellow Fever. They know they are more attracted to women of Asian ethnicity, but they are often unclear why. They might casually attribute it to looks, but when you probe more deeply, many can admit fascinations with Asian culture, or that they harbor stereotypes about Asian women, stereotypes which are blatantly racist, misogynist, and devaluing. As this article by Goal Auzeen Saedi, Ph.D. points out, women of Asian ancestry are frequently exotified and stereotyped. They are submissive, man-pleasing sex kittens, or in a more palatable phrase Ive heard have great personalities. What does that mean, exactly? Usually, it means that Asian women are perceived to be less aggressive, more docile and self-sacrificing more obedient, in other words. They are perceived as less likely to challenge their partners and be compliant. (Saedi has another nice article on how exotification is a microaggression.)
Stereotypes are projections made in an attempt to organize the mind, exert power, and cope with and control a world that feels threatening or is not fully understood. They distort reality and create an environment of misunderstanding and even oppression. As Anais Nin wrote, we see the world not as it is, but as we are. Any person projecting the stereotypes of submissiveness, etc. onto an Asian female is likely to get a sound rebuke. Racist and polarizing assumptions limit possibilities and invite backlash. Why would the person with Yellow Fever need to project limiting stereotypes onto their partner? First, the stereotype becomes the object of desire. Why is that? Everyones different, but suspects include a consuming need for control, an inability to integrate ones own feminine capacity, an immature or wounded masculinity, and outright racist attitudes and even a thirst for exploitation of the other. Stereotypes are held steadfastly in ignorance of reality, and the worst culprits manifest in creepishness, perversion and sociopathy.
Debbie Lums award-winning film Seeking Asian Female will air on PBSs Independent Lens on May 6th. She is ramping up to that debut with a series of webisodes exploring the issues involved in interracial relationship and attraction at http://www.theyreallsobeautiful.com. I sat down with Debbie during the recent 2013 CAAMFest (formerly known as the San Francisco International Asian American Film Festival), where she won the Jury Prize for Best Documentary Feature. That interview is here:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-pacific-heart/201304/yellow-fever-the-exotification-asian-women
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Thats a bit of racist term.
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)Apparently it's a common term for men who desire Asian females. Did you see that term "rice-picking"? Yet another area where racism and sexism coincide.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I hope they get called out for it.
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)She's an Asian female who wanted to showcase this phenomenon and her experiences with it. We're probably meant to be uncomfortable with the terminology.
Actually edit, she doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. I wonder why they used that term?
redqueen
(115,103 posts)that people use "s***-shaming". That's 'just what it's called'.
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)So we have a group of racist men, who use a racist name for a preferred partner?
Asian women are sick of this shit and it's not a matter of whether they'll date a white man or not, it's the dumbass expectations.
BainsBane
(53,029 posts)Are you suggest the problem is they write about racism?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I didnt have time to read the whole thing. Maybe its more clear what she is trying to so if I had.
BainsBane
(53,029 posts)I suggest you reread the article.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Note the use of quotes.
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)Of course this is about the female side of the story.
Iraqi anime---whoa
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)To quote Pfc G. Pyle USMC.
To expect any woman or group of women to behave in a way you want just because you want it.........silly meat puppet.
You can, occasionally, predict what a certain female well known by you might do given a known set of circumstance. But these predictions are not constantly correct enough to make major life decisions on. On the other hand, I have found "talking" and "listening" seem to be reliable.
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)d_r
(6,907 posts)I've heard it used by Asian men to talk about women that were attracted to Asian men also.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I will definitely watch it.
I wonder how much time she'll spend discussing the term as oppoosed to the fetishization / stereotyping / similarity of 'Asian bride' sites to trafficking, etc.
TlalocW
(15,379 posts)Looking for Hispanic/Latina women. Now admittedly, I am attracted to them as well, but I'm *different!*
Anyway, when I was kicking around grad school, I was the only white guy in a lot of the Hispanic/Latin clubs. I joined them because one of my undergrads was Spanish, and my small undergrad didn't have all the different organizations that my bigger grad school did.
Hispanic Heritage Month was coming up, and I wanted to do some research on famous Hispanic/Latin women to see if maybe we could turn it into a discussion/exhibit (we had several different events during the whole month). I Infoseeked (Google wasn't around yet) Latin Women and found this Latin Women Listserv, which was full of men who just knew that American women had been ruined by society, and to find their dream, submissive - and of course, much younger - dream wife, they had to go south of the border. Pretty far south - Colombia was the hot spot then (and probably still is). Well, being the wise-ass, know-it-all 20-something with too much time on my hands, I joined and for the most part trolled, but I got to know them all pretty well. It was gratifying that the vast majority of men who were successful were the kinds who didn't treat their women as property and were interested in the culture and weren't looking for a submissive wife in the first place, and it was aggravating that the other guys would dismiss the successful ones' advice and happiness because they wouldn't treat their wives as property, or possibly they found a H/L woman either born in America or who had been in the country for a while (they were seen as "ruined" because they had been exposed to American women who filled their heads with nonsense). Many of them said they honestly didn't care about the culture and weren't going to learn the language past being able to order a beer and ask for the bathroom - all they wanted was the woman that they "deserved."
TlalocW
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Lots of people do seem to have 'types' and physical appearance is part of it. I never have so I can't personally relate, but I've had white girlfriends who had a thing for Mexican and Latin men. I think it might have been the language lol.
I think the creepy part is when its about a stereotype... submissive and docile, macho and ... whatever else, etc. I don't understand the looks thing but it seems to be the rule more than the exception, so..
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)Is certain Latina women may live in a machismo culture, but they are not, in my experiance, subservient. Nor are Chinese women, or Philipina women, Or Korean women. There may be gender roles they accept, depending on their cultural background, but not subservience.
As far as preferences, we all have them. I mean give me Dwayne Johnson or Vin Diesel any day, both of mixed ancestry. (Of course my husband is of Russian/German descent, but he's my hunnybunny)
It's the combination of racism and sexism with unrealistic cultural and sexual expectations that's wrong and damaging.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I never have, and one of my daughters is the same.
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)Those are more 'crushes' ; back in the day it simply didn't matter to me, although I did have a period where I was around a lot of Native Americans, the only one I was ever 'with' was the father of my son.
My favorite boyfriend of all time besides my husband was a man of Mexican ancestry from East LA. He was a lot of fun, but there was no way the relationship was long term material during that period of our lives.