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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 08:18 AM Sep 2014

Feminism's ugly internal clash: Why its future is not up to white women

I thought this was really interesting. I do think old-school feminism was 100% about white women, and many of them fought "The Man" while their children were watched and their houses were cleaned by women of color working for less than a living wage and with no sick or vacation time. And that kind of historical reality doesn't just disappear. And I think about how I would feel if a group made up primarily of men talked about class issues and fighting them in a way that helped mainly men but didn't really help women. There are probably examples of that but I can't think of any at this time in the morning.


http://www.salon.com/2014/09/24/feminisms_ugly_internal_clash_why_its_future_is_not_up_to_white_women

As Michelle Goldberg’s piece made clear, Internet feminism is a place where young women of color, black women in particular, hold an inordinate amount of power and influence. This makes many, many white women deeply uncomfortable. Shulevitz, it seems, is one of them. Thus Shulevitz makes clearly problematic claims that seem self-aware, but are ultimately not. She writes:

Would the exclusion of mostly minority home health care workers and others at the low end of the pay scale from paid-sick-leave legislation be grotesque, unjust? Absolutely. Should we take the legislation if we can get it? Absolutely. We build from there.


Those are the kinds of pronouncements that middle-class white women can make definitively without ever thinking twice. But I come from a community where many black women, including some of my female family members, eventually end up as home healthcare aides precisely because job opportunities are limited. They are workers who are most vulnerable to the system and most often in need of sick leave because of the kind of strenuous labor involved in lifting, washing, moving and caring for another person.

When I read what comes off as a kind of self-assured smugness, I think to myself, “The future of feminism can not be left to the hands of white women.” And while I hope that more white feminists have the kinds of expansive knowledge of black women both historically and in the present that Rebecca Traister takes great care to present in her responses, white privilege allows most white women not to have to do this kind of work, not to have to cultivate this kind of empathy for women who are not white.
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Feminism's ugly internal clash: Why its future is not up to white women (Original Post) gollygee Sep 2014 OP
It was called "standpoint theory" ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #1
Internet feminism is the great equalizer and a boon to sufrommich Sep 2014 #2
Good. MuseRider Sep 2014 #3
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #7
The author makes an excellent point brer cat Sep 2014 #4
what's the difference? redruddyred Oct 2014 #15
kinda like.... seabeyond Sep 2014 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #6
What the actual fuck are you talking about? Sheldon Cooper Sep 2014 #8
nothing now noiretextatique Sep 2014 #9
YOU seabeyond Sep 2014 #10
LOL noiretextatique Sep 2014 #11
"This makes many, many white women deeply uncomfortable." redruddyred Oct 2014 #12
Because it shows that their experience of the world isn't the be-all, end-all, nor do they get nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #13
this is something that I have a hard time wrapping my head around redruddyred Oct 2014 #14

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
1. It was called "standpoint theory"
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 08:54 AM
Sep 2014

The idea that the perceptions of experiences where shared simply because of gender, without taking race into consideration.

No. The future of feminism is definitely NOT in the hands of white women. Quite the contrary I think

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
2. Internet feminism is the great equalizer and a boon to
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:26 AM
Sep 2014

feminism,regardless of how some wealthy white woman in New York feels about it.

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
3. Good.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:27 AM
Sep 2014

In my experience there was never a divide seen between the races, mainly because where I live there is or was not a lot of diversity. That is changing thank goodness and we will all be the better for it.

Response to MuseRider (Reply #3)

brer cat

(24,556 posts)
4. The author makes an excellent point
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:37 AM
Sep 2014

that white women seek equality while black feminists seek justice. As an older white woman, I certainly agree that back in "my day" equality was the issue. I very much appreciate that the voices I hear on the internet, many of them women of color, have led me to understand that I cannot have the former without the latter, and my emphasis has changed as a consequence.

She concludes: "...it also means that when I look to a vision of the world I want to see, I look to young women of color, who meld race, gender and queer politics into an expansive, inclusive,and just vision of the world." Amen, sister, amen!

Nice article, gollygee. Thanks for posting.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
5. kinda like....
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 11:27 AM
Sep 2014


men discussing womens issues.


what i have learned over the years, is i will address it the same as i do that black community and the gay community.

i will stand with, and lend voice.... but it is their voice i listen to and allow self to be taught.

i certainly see the issue. and i need to listen.

i am not uncomfortable with learning.

Response to seabeyond (Reply #5)

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
12. "This makes many, many white women deeply uncomfortable."
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 09:02 AM
Oct 2014

I wonder why?

I just can't imagine why feminists would be upset that other people were being feminists too.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
13. Because it shows that their experience of the world isn't the be-all, end-all, nor do they get
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:24 PM
Oct 2014

the last word on what "feminism" means.

To be brutally honest, I think it's somewhat similar to why right-wingers are so hostile to what they would call "identity politics" - black liberation, gay liberation, etc.

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