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Related: About this forumi thought we were done with tosh. "Daniel Tosh’s show debut causes few ripples at Comic-Con"
The panel on Friday afternoon was hardly packed, but was populated with Tosh-faithful. The pilot for "Brickleberry," which was shown at the panel, is an equal opportunity offender with or without the reportedly excised rape jokes. It was, however, all about jokes involving animal cruelty, abuse of the disabled, sexist jokes, racial jokes, bestiality jokes, you name it.
"As sick and twisted as that [pilot] is, it was actually pretty tame compared to what comes after," said voice actor Tom Kenny, who plays Woody on the show. Kenny is better known for voicing SpongeBob Squarepants.
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"When Fox passed it was the greatest thing that could have happened, said executive producer Waco O'Guin. This show belongs on Comedy Central. When Fox saw that they said, 'we can't air that, that's insane.' When Comedy Central saw it, they said, you guys can go further."
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But he was quick to point out that comedy clubs, like the setting of Tosh's rape joke and confrontation with a fan, used to be places where things were expected to get uncomfortable. "Now, of course, anything that's said anywhere can potentially be said everywhere," DiCostanzo said.
http://geekout.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/14/daniel-toshs-show-debut-causes-few-ripples-at-comic-con/?hpt=hp_c2
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more trash that even fox would not touch. there is a certain element it seems, that has a strong desire for us all to live in the gutter. just what i feel.
Drale
(7,932 posts)and all of a sudden he is the devil and worst then Faux? This right here is what is wrong with America. If he does it again then theres a problem but if its a one and done thing and he learns from his mistake, then I say let bygones be bygones. You may not find him funny but many many people, including me do.
JohnnyRingo
(18,816 posts)George Carlin, Chris Rock, and Lenny Bruce have all deeply offended people. The latter was even arrested for doing so, and I have some Catholic friends who still despise Carlin.
It's historically been a good thing when we don't send comedians to the public pillory for making an offensive joke.
Drale
(7,932 posts)I know people who HATE Mel Brooks because his movies are not "politically correct"
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and when they are successful, the people that are well aware the purpose is to offend then get their back up that someone was offended. . and start making excuses adn justifying and validating the person whose only purpose is to offend.
isnt that funny to you?
JohnnyRingo
(18,816 posts)His humor is purposely intended to offend myself and others, but there's a big difference between saying: "I wouldn't walk accross the street to see Dennis Miller", and "I'm going to actively work to destroy (what's left of) his career".
Certainly there are other comedians who I find offensive. I just don't tune in to watch.
I'm reminded of Ned Flanders on "The Simpsons", who spends his evenings glued to the TV writing a transcript of the shows that offend him. Now that's funny to me.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)strongly.
the hypocrisy i see in this argument so often is yelling about the right to say whatever they want. as if, right only is one sided. arguing that all must just try not to hear whatever is offensive, or many suggest even when heard.... do NOT be offended. that is gutsy.
making lots of demands yourself.... or whomever making these arguments.
make a statement. whatever anyone wants. say anything offensive, cool, your right.
and whomever wants also gets the RIGHT to cause problems.
that simple.
consistency, not hypocrisy.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ya. right. that is it.
tell me what the problem is in america
not enough "jokes involving animal cruelty, abuse of the disabled, sexist jokes, racial jokes, bestiality jokes, you name it."
good to know
Drale
(7,932 posts)He made racial jokes. How about George Carlin or Chris Rock, they both made or make jokes that offend people. This is comedy and to hate someone because you don't think they are funny is just ridiculous.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i never have. i have never felt it is funny to laugh at sexism, racism, homophobia, mentally handicapped. it has never struck my funny bone. and i do not watch.
for me
it is no different than a bigot of any kind. it is that simple.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)posted, does it.
Squinch
(51,215 posts)and the comedian instage says that the 5 people around you should castrate you with a hammer. Would that be funny? It would be only one stupid mistake, but is there any line that shouldn't be crossed? And by the way, this isn't his first rape joke.
And "this right here is what is wrong with America?" Seriously? People objecting to rape jokes is what's wrong with America?
redroof
(24 posts)Daniel Tosh vs. The Age of Outrage
There are a few subjects that I feel like I've written about so often that when they inevitably come up again, I'm at a loss to say anything about them that I haven't said before. It's one of the occupational hazards of blogging steadily for six years: You just run out of clever twists to put on the subjects you're passionate about and which inspire you to speak up and so you essentially wind up recycling all your previous points and arguments while hoping no one notices how tedious you've become. (This is known as "Greenwalding." Among my cast of rotating regular topics, there's Nancy Grace doing something despicable, Fox News doing something unethical and not giving a damn what anyone thinks about it, and the subject I've been embroiled in an ongoing online debate over for the past few days: a comedian or entertainer saying something offensive and the whole world losing its fucking mind.
By now you're probably well aware of the person and incident at the center of the latest episode of the long-running pop culture series, "You're Not Allowed To Say That Because It'll Make Me Cry." Last week, stand-up comic, wildly popular TV host and all-around snarky asshole Daniel Tosh made a crack about how "rape jokes are always funny" during a set at the Laugh Factory in L.A. when an apparently offended woman in the audience spoke up and took him to task for it, reportedly saying that "rape jokes are never funny." Supposedly, Tosh's response was something along the lines of, "Wouldn't it be funny if that girl got raped by, like, 5 guys right now? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her." For the record, that's the most times the word "rape" has appeared in any single paragraph I've ever written. (The previous record was three.)
Now being that this is the 21st century and we've evolved to the point where no one should ever be offended by anything, the aggrieved audience member didn't simply leave the club and tell herself that since Tosh's comedy wasn't her particular brand of vodka and he'd been a dick to her, she'd never watch him again -- she of course went right to a friend with a Tumblr account and related her outrage over being offended by a comic who delights in offending people, at a comedy show she'd paid money to be at and then took it upon herself to heckle. That friend, offended herself by the comment she didn't actually hear and wasn't aware of the comedic context of, immediately banged out a post about what her friend had told her and breathed that fireball right out into the ether, no doubt presuming that others just like her would also be shocked and outraged by the comment they didn't hear at the comedy show they didn't attend delivered by the comic they probably didn't like already. And so it began. And snowballed. Into a fucking ridiculous maelstrom. The way this kind of thing always does.
Welcome to America, circa 2012: the Indignation Nation.
Like Denis Leary, Bill Maher, Tracy Morgan, Gilbert Gottfried and so on before him -- to say nothing of the legion of non-comedic types who've either unintentionally breached the nationally agreed-upon etiquette when it comes to what can and can't be said or have just accidentally blurted out something stupid -- Daniel Tosh now gets to face the wrath of the general public and be subjected to the standard offense/outrage cycle that's become a fact of life in the age of digital media. And that's really what it is -- a cycle, a mechanism. And that's the problem. Because while it may be completely reasonable for someone to face a certain set of consequences for the things he or she says, it's gotten to the point where the reaction to hearing something we don't like has become pretty damn unreasonable. It's one thing to voice a complaint or to turn off the offending content and go on with our lives, but we don't do that -- not anymore. We spread our outrage like virulent wildfire across social media in the hope that our anger can become the anger of others, so that as many random people as possible can hear our roar and ultimately join in our personal pissy-party pile-on. What's more, as the number of aggrieved mounts and the noise intensifies, the cost of satisfying us becomes higher. It no longer becomes about wanting to let the person who said something we don't like know that he or she might have been thoughtless or cruel or uninformed -- it's about silencing that person or simply taking away his or her livelihood.
more here...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chez-pazienza/daniel-tosh-vs-the-age-of_b_1672951.html
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Lmao. In what universe?
I know who this moron is only because his show is right before another that I regularly DVR. He seems to make videos (or play videos) of people falling down stairs and so on. I've only watched a second before I hit the fast forward.
Middle school boy humor. Ick.
I never see him written up in mainstream articles where a "wildly popular" comic would be...Chris Rock etc. Hell Don Rickles gets more press than this Tosh character.
edited to add question mark.
redroof
(24 posts)http://www.comedycentral.com/press/press_releases/2011/122011-2011-ratings-release.jhtml
Now... I realize that there are undoubtedly millions upon millions of your fans out there googling "cwydro" - so, his fame pales in comparison. However, I would contend that 4.3 million viewers, number two on Comedy Central, and #1 comedy series in cable among young adults 18-34 constitutes "wild popularity".
Of all of the possible issues for you to scoff at in my post or the author's blog, you've certainly chosen an odd one to pick apart....
cwydro
(51,308 posts)enjoy your stay.
hit a nerve when I suggested he was not "wildly popular"?
Is that you Tosh? Or just a publicist?
Speculating to a crowd about how funny it might be if one member of that crowd were suddenly gang-raped in front of them is likely to inspire a backlash. It's cute, I suppose, to see someone outraged about the outrage, but hard to take it particularly seriously.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to say whatever.
buddy, you have the right to say whatever, and i have the right to call you a piece of shit.
why is it, that your side is demanding saying whatever offensive shit you want, and then when people are offended, you all say "You're Not Allowed To React To That Because It'll Make Me Cry."
seems to me that it is the comedians and their supporters being "cry babies"
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Limbaugh would have made the same comment we would all be calling for his head, but it's an "edgy" man-boy comic so it's cool.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)regardless of who the them is, but especially women
no means yes after all. that is bothering me more and more, for a much greater reason.