Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:24 PM

Happyhippychick (8,351 posts)

For jury purposes, is Bernie Sanders considered to be a democratic public figure?

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I assume "no" while it is still primary season but I think I may be wrong.

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For jury purposes, is Bernie Sanders considered to be a democratic public figure? (Original post)	Happyhippychick	Jan 2020	OP
No	RandySF	Jan 2020	#1
The jury instructions specify that the rule applies to him.	femmedem	Jan 2020	#15
I have assumed that he is not a Democratic public figure	lapfog_1	Jan 2020	#2
The DU jury instructions specifically say the rule against bashing Democrats applies to him.	femmedem	Jan 2020	#12
Why doesn't he obey the rules himself then?	dem4decades	Jan 2020	#16
He's not a member of DU. These are DU rules.	femmedem	Jan 2020	#18
Oh, you mean DU juries	RandySF	Jan 2020	#3
For DU juries, the answer is yes.	femmedem	Jan 2020	#11
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tiggeroshii	Jan 2020	#4
No	Botany	Jan 2020	#5
I see less evidence of ego problems in Steyer's and Bloomberg's actions than in BS' actions.	spooky3	Jan 2020	#9
Actually, the jury instructions specify that he is included in the don't bash Democrats rule.	femmedem	Jan 2020	#10
Yes, absolutely. It even specifies him by name in the explanation	femmedem	Jan 2020	#6
For DU alert jury duty, yes.	TwilightZone	Jan 2020	#7
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tiggeroshii	Jan 2020	#8
Yes he is. Have you never read the jury rules? They clearly state that he is a Democratic public	Autumn	Jan 2020	#13
No need to be snarky	Happyhippychick	Jan 2020	#19
I wasn't being snarky. It's in the jury rules and when that alert is used that rule comes up.	Autumn	Jan 2020	#20
"Have you never read the jury rules"	Happyhippychick	Jan 2020	#21
You would be amazed at how many haven't seen that.	Autumn	Jan 2020	#22
No I wouldn't be amazed in the slightest, nor would I be amazed in the least	progree	Jan 2020	#23
Yes	elleng	Jan 2020	#14
As indicated in previous posts,	FoxNewsSucks	Jan 2020	#17
You wouldn't think so to look at the Primaries group	redqueen	Jan 2020	#24
This message was self-deleted by its author	RandiFan1290	Jan 2020	#25
There is one jury guideline...	Mike Nelson	Jan 2020	#26
unfortunately, the rules here would have us look at Sanders as a democratic figure,	beachbumbob	Jan 2020	#27
The answer is "yes" and	EarlG	Jan 2020	#28

Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:26 PM

RandySF (36,392 posts)

1. No

Just a member of the Senate.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:39 PM

femmedem (5,428 posts)

15. The jury instructions specify that the rule applies to him.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/125616194#post7

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:28 PM

lapfog_1 (25,037 posts)

2. I have assumed that he is not a Democratic public figure

given that his public profile lists him as Sanders(I) of Vermont

That plus his surrogates consistently attack the rest of the Party from Warren to Hillary and everyone in between

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:37 PM

femmedem (5,428 posts)

12. The DU jury instructions specifically say the rule against bashing Democrats applies to him.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/125616194#post7

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Response to femmedem (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:39 PM

dem4decades (7,473 posts)

16. Why doesn't he obey the rules himself then?

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:48 PM

femmedem (5,428 posts)

18. He's not a member of DU. These are DU rules.

And I'm not his surrogate. He's not even my candidate of choice. I'm just trying to stop the spread of misinformation about DU's terms of service.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:30 PM

RandySF (36,392 posts)

3. Oh, you mean DU juries

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Response to RandySF (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:35 PM

femmedem (5,428 posts)

11. For DU juries, the answer is yes.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/125616194#post7

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:31 PM

Botany (58,631 posts)

5. No

He is out for himself.

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Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:34 PM

spooky3 (26,795 posts)

9. I see less evidence of ego problems in Steyer's and Bloomberg's actions than in BS' actions.

And they have accomplished FAR more in their careers.

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Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:35 PM

femmedem (5,428 posts)

10. Actually, the jury instructions specify that he is included in the don't bash Democrats rule.

Please see https://www.democraticunderground.com/125616194#post7

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:31 PM

femmedem (5,428 posts)

6. Yes, absolutely. It even specifies him by name in the explanation

when you're asked to serve on a jury about bashing a Democratic figure--something like Democratic figure or person who normally aligns with Democrats, such as Bernie Sanders.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:31 PM

TwilightZone (20,384 posts)

7. For DU alert jury duty, yes.

From the "Don't bash Democratic public figures" alert:

"This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders)."

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:39 PM

Autumn (40,025 posts)

13. Yes he is. Have you never read the jury rules? They clearly state that he is a Democratic public

figure. It's also in the TOS.

Don't bash Democratic public figures
Do not post disrespectful nicknames, insults, or highly inflammatory attacks against any Democratic public figures. Do not post anything that could be construed as bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for any Democratic general election candidate, and do not compare any Democratic general election candidate unfavorably to their general election opponent(s).

Why we have this rule: Our forum members support and admire a wide variety of Democratic politicians and public figures. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but our members don't expect to see Democrats viciously denigrated on this website. This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders).

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Response to Autumn (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:49 PM

Happyhippychick (8,351 posts)

19. No need to be snarky

I have read the jury rules and I try to be a responsible member of the community which is why I asked. I'm not perfect and I didn't remember.

Geez.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:55 PM

Autumn (40,025 posts)

20. I wasn't being snarky. It's in the jury rules and when that alert is used that rule comes up.

I think that part should be removed though, it's rarely enforced.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:57 PM

Happyhippychick (8,351 posts)

21. "Have you never read the jury rules"

Wasn't necessary

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Response to Happyhippychick (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 11:02 PM

Autumn (40,025 posts)

22. You would be amazed at how many haven't seen that.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:06 AM

progree (7,719 posts)

23. No I wouldn't be amazed in the slightest, nor would I be amazed in the least

It's the last sentence of the "Why we have this rule" part of "Bashing Democrats". How many people read the "why we have this rule" more than the first time or two that they encounter it? If at all? Most people already think they know why we have this rule.

And it's not in the "Support Democrats" rule at all, anywhere.

Anyway, its clear from this thread and others I've seen on this subject that the ignorance is widespread.

You are correct in #20 that it's rarely enforced.

People see a "Don't bash Democrats" or "support Democrats" alert re: a bash Bernie post, and think "Bernie is no Democrat" and vote accordingly.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:39 PM

elleng (104,525 posts)

14. Yes

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:47 PM

FoxNewsSucks (3,149 posts)

17. As indicated in previous posts,

he is. And his liberal policies are more aligned with the good of the public than a number of corporate-type politicians who have official D's after their name.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 08:36 AM

redqueen (112,617 posts)

24. You wouldn't think so to look at the Primaries group

of which a large percentage of threads are just endless Bernie (and Bernie supporter) bashing

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 08:23 AM

Mike Nelson (7,624 posts)

26. There is one jury guideline...

... that mentions him, specifically - but it is in the context of a General Election candidate. I look for that mention - it's near the bottom - and read/consider the entire guideline, with the General Election context in mind.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 08:29 AM

beachbumbob (9,263 posts)

27. unfortunately, the rules here would have us look at Sanders as a democratic figure,

always makes me laugh as Sanders has spent a career bashing democrats and democratic initiatives.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 08:33 AM

EarlG (18,270 posts)

28. The answer is "yes" and

I’m going to lock this now.

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