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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Mon May 6, 2013, 06:05 AM May 2013

A Federal Firearms Operator's License

The more I think about it, the more I think this is the way to go.

It's not gun registration; I personally support that (knowing who has what gun seems like step one of training a militia), but it is politically beyond the pale today. But it is operator licensure.

It can possibly be divided into classes, a basic one for long guns, a more in depth check for handguns, and a very in depth check for NFA weapons.

This eliminates the gun show loophole. Any private seller can ask to see the buyer's FFOL. He can even check the serial number against an online revocation list. Before you give your son his first rifle, you take him to the ATF like you take him to the DMV before you give him a car.

In terms of passing this, I offer Federal pre-emption to the other side. I would also re open the NFA registry in return for some registration scheme. I really think with work this could pass, and would do some good.

TALKING POINT: "you have to prove you are eligible to vote, but nobody records what votes you cast. This is the same."

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A Federal Firearms Operator's License (Original Post) Recursion May 2013 OP
I have favored something like this for a long time. Arkansas Granny May 2013 #1
Write congress, oh wait..... donkey5280 May 2013 #2
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #6
"I would also re open the NFA registry in return for some registration scheme" Pullo May 2013 #3
I'm with you on that Recursion May 2013 #4
It's better than the status quo, that's for sure. DanTex May 2013 #5
Why on earth would we "offer" federal preemption? Robb May 2013 #7
In order to pass it (nt) Recursion May 2013 #8
Why bother? Almost half the states regulate gun show sales Robb May 2013 #10
I have already had my background thoroughly checked by the FBI &ATF rl6214 May 2013 #9
Agreed TnDem May 2013 #12
Pre-empt state laws to let me carry anywhere Progressive dog May 2013 #11

donkey5280

(1 post)
2. Write congress, oh wait.....
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:05 AM
May 2013

I have written my congressmen about the same idea. Also liability insurance, along these lines.

Trying to get congress to do anything about this is the real issue.

Pullo

(594 posts)
3. "I would also re open the NFA registry in return for some registration scheme"
Mon May 6, 2013, 11:33 AM
May 2013

Illinois has the FOID card. I think offering to re open the NFA registry would in exchange for something like universal background checks etc. is a good step, and might open up a dialog that neither side seems interested in pursuing at the moment.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
5. It's better than the status quo, that's for sure.
Mon May 6, 2013, 03:31 PM
May 2013

I'm not sure about federal pre-emption, though. It hurts places like NYC, which understandably has tighter gun laws than other parts of the country.

I would be willing to re-open NFA in exchange for registration.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
7. Why on earth would we "offer" federal preemption?
Mon May 6, 2013, 06:12 PM
May 2013

Because you just noticed gun cultists are losing, one state at a time?

The federal game is stalled, neutered. Federal preemption is a non-starter, as dead as any federal registration, because it would "dumb down" gun laws on balance.

I don't believe any sane person would bargain away advances just won, sorry.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
10. Why bother? Almost half the states regulate gun show sales
Tue May 7, 2013, 07:18 AM
May 2013

in some manner or other. Many have universal background checks. Several added them since Newtown, and several more will be pass them in the coming weeks.

Gun show regulations aren't getting more lax, they're getting stricter. "Gun rightists" are slowly but consistently losing ground in this arena -- Giffords' group raised a million dollars online since the federal bill failed, Bloomberg et al are still winding up.

We're getting all that without sacrificing anything. You're losing. No sale, buddy.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
9. I have already had my background thoroughly checked by the FBI &ATF
Tue May 7, 2013, 02:47 AM
May 2013

When I got my C&R and CC licenses, I would have no problem with this provided this would be acceptable everywhere.

TnDem

(538 posts)
12. Agreed
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:17 PM
May 2013

The C&R type Federal license, (under its current form and issued by BATFE), is the hands down best way to eliminating most privacy issues as well as allowing everyone to buy direct from distributors...

Which is exactly why the organized gun lobby will never support it.

Progressive dog

(6,899 posts)
11. Pre-empt state laws to let me carry anywhere
Tue May 7, 2013, 08:45 AM
May 2013

This is a no starter for the gun grabbers like me who already live in states that act somewhat sane about guns.
With 90% of voters supporting universal background checks, there is nothing that needs to be compromised.

And this sounds like we agree with the new voter suppression ID laws. When I go to vote, I sign my name in the poll book. I don't have to prove anything.
Comparing voting to gun ownership is ignorant and offensive.

"TALKING POINT: "you have to prove you are eligible to vote, but nobody records what votes you cast. This is the same.""

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