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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu May 14, 2015, 01:02 PM May 2015

The Trade Beef Between Elizabeth Warren and Barack Obama, Explained

Republicans take infighting for granted. The GOP establishment and Tea Party insurgents have been waging a bloody battle for the heart and soul of the party for years now.

Democrats aren't used to this kind of rancor — particularly between party all stars. So when President Barack Obama slammed Elizabeth Warren over the weekend as "a politician like everybody else" whose "arguments don't stand the test of fact and scrutiny"?

For the party faithful, it was a little like if mom and dad had started shouting at each other in the living room.

What's the beef about?

In a word, trade.



Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-trade-beef-between-elizabeth-warren-and-barack-obama-explained-20150513#ixzz3a8KESXcT

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The Trade Beef Between Elizabeth Warren and Barack Obama, Explained (Original Post) n2doc May 2015 OP
more like mom fighting with a snake oil salesman Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #1
Tim Dickinson did a great job in this article.... KoKo May 2015 #2
I think those that want to understand the issue do understand it. n2doc May 2015 #3
I concur Demeter May 2015 #4
I remember when "How to Win Friends and Influence People" was like a Bible for Salespeople KoKo May 2015 #5
I got a PDF...it appears useful only for low-information, weak-minded people. Demeter May 2015 #6
 

Romeo.lima333

(1,127 posts)
1. more like mom fighting with a snake oil salesman
Thu May 14, 2015, 01:51 PM
May 2015

idk my gut says to trust obama but my head is screaming remember nafta

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
2. Tim Dickinson did a great job in this article....
Thu May 14, 2015, 02:08 PM
May 2015

I wish you'd post it out in "GD" because so many still don't understand what's at stake and Tim puts much in "Plain Speak."
Those of us who've been aware of TPP for years don't seem to be able to do a good job of explaining why its opposed. N

No matter how many times many of us have posted "Public Citizen's" updates on TPP with videos of Lori Wallach and other articles explaining opposition from Enviro Groups & Labor many still just don't what could be wrong with it. The fact that they don't get it shows how complicated it is that it just goes over everyone's head. And, that alone should cause it's failure. We won't know what's in it until FTA is passed and even then we will need Lawyers to explain the language. Anything that complicated, having to be done in secret and now pushed through with a President having "Fast Track Authority" just doesn't pass the smell test.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
3. I think those that want to understand the issue do understand it.
Thu May 14, 2015, 02:41 PM
May 2015

And I think those who want to believe in a story, or in the word of a leader, believe what they are told to believe. No amount of reasoning will make a difference with them.

At least, that is my feeling based on the level of discourse on DU.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
4. I concur
Thu May 14, 2015, 03:04 PM
May 2015

“A man convinced against his will
Is of the same opinion still”

― Dale Carnegie, How to Win Friends and Influence People


If I actually thought Dale Carnegie knew how to deal with the Reality-challenged, I'd read his book.

Anybody care to persuade me?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
5. I remember when "How to Win Friends and Influence People" was like a Bible for Salespeople
Thu May 14, 2015, 03:39 PM
May 2015

back in the day. I don't hear it talked about, anymore. But, then, maybe that strategy died when America started to go into decline as the Wall Street Crooks took over. They can just influence each other who have the same intent.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
6. I got a PDF...it appears useful only for low-information, weak-minded people.
Thu May 14, 2015, 03:49 PM
May 2015

your average Mid-Westerner of the early 1900's....

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