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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 02:28 PM Nov 2013

PROGRESSIVES SAY: WHY STOP NOW? Reid Goes "Not Nuclear Enough" on Filibuster


Reform welcome, but why stop at just nominees and appointees? ask those who think deeper reform necessary to end anti-democratic culture of obstruction


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Utah).Democrats in the Senate finally ended their long-held bluff to "reform the filibuster" on Thursday after Majority Leader Harry Reid pushed through a rules change—the so-called "nuclear option"—ending the ability of the minority of Republicans to hold up President Obama's political and judicial appointments.

As The Hill reports:

The Senate voted Thursday to change its rules to prevent the minority party from filibustering any nominations other than nods to the Supreme Court.

The change was approved after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) triggered the “nuclear option,” which allows a change to Senate rules by majority vote.

The 52-48 vote dramatically changes the rules of the Senate and limits the minority party's ability to prevent confirmation of presidential nominees. Sens. Carl Levin (Mich.), Mark Pryor (Ark.) and Joe Manchin (W.Va.) were the only Democrats to vote against Reid's rules change.

It will allow all three of President Obama's nominees to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals to go forward, as well as his nomination of Rep. Mel Watt to lead a housing regulatory agency.

Reid said the change was necessary to get the Senate working again.

“It’s time to change the Senate before this institution becomes obsolete,” Reid said on the Senate floor.



The question that remains, however—even for those who agree that the upper chamber has become severly dysfunctional in the modern era—why now? Or more importantly—for what?

For progressives, the filibuster reform is a move in the right direction but not nearly enough.

"It should be clear to everyone all past and possibly future complaining about not being able to do something because of a filibuster threat is total nonsense." –Jon Walker, FDL

Having failed to fulfill his threat to change the rules on three separate occasions during the last four years despite the unprecedented level of obstruction and abuse of the filibuster, Reid's decision to employ the "nuclear option"—but only for nominees and appointments—seemed strange to some.


As The Nation's John Nichols tweeted:

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Karen Hobert Flynn, senior vice president for strategy and programs at Common Cause, welcomed the development as progress but also said Reid's push to reform the Senate rule around the filibuster should go further.

“We’ve all been watching a slow-motion government shutdown for years, and this will enable the important work of reviewing and confirming presidential nominations to get moving again,” said Flynn.

But, she added, "the Senate is still broken and the rule change today is a small fix for a huge problem. The minority still has the power to use the filibuster to block debate and action on legislation favored by the majority. As Majority Leader Reid observed on the Senate floor this morning, ‘the need for change is so, so, very obvious.’”

And as policy analyst Jon Walker adds at FireDogLake:

This was not the complete destruction of the filibuster in the Senate but this very well could be the beginning of the end for this absurd practice. Technically, it only applies to most nominees — it doesn’t cover the nominees to the Supreme Court– but what is really important is that a precedent has been set.

Democrats finally proved they are willing and able to stop obstructionism. They also showed the media, donors, and activists how quickly and easily the Senate rules can be changed. It should be clear to everyone all past and possibly future complaining about not being able to do something because of a filibuster threat is total nonsense.

Now the Democrats have proved they are willing and able to change the rules, there is nothing stopping them they from using it in the future for legislation or the Supreme Court. Similarly, there is no reason for Republicans to hold back if they ever gain control of the chamber. They already threatened to do this same thing when they were in control just a few years ago.

The Senate has taken a big step towards functioning as it was designed to, with most issues decided by an up-or-down vote. The stupid 60 vote threshold is not dead yet but it has been seriously wounded.


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PROGRESSIVES SAY: WHY STOP NOW? Reid Goes "Not Nuclear Enough" on Filibuster (Original Post) KoKo Nov 2013 OP
Well for some people its never enough sharp_stick Nov 2013 #1
no reason while the house is R unless SC nomination comes up alc Nov 2013 #2
Hear, hear! The filibuster should be eliminated in its entirety. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #3
I'm with John Nichols. Majority rule should be the norm for Cleita Nov 2013 #4
Nuke the entire filibuster. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #5

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
1. Well for some people its never enough
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 02:30 PM
Nov 2013

And these are the same people that would be howling in abject fury if/when the Republicans use the same tactics.

alc

(1,151 posts)
2. no reason while the house is R unless SC nomination comes up
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 03:49 PM
Nov 2013

They could push more through the senate, but the house wouldn't go along. Better to get legislation through the senate with 60 so they have some R help negotiating with the house.

If the house goes D next year, there would be a reason to go nuclear on everything. And, if the senate goes R next year the Ds will not have been the ones who removed the filibuster for them - Rs will have to do that themselves and take all the criticism the Ds would get by doing it now.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
4. I'm with John Nichols. Majority rule should be the norm for
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 05:19 PM
Nov 2013

everything, or at least 55 votes out of 100. Otherwise it causes the majority to be held hostage by the minority like what has been happening. We had the same problem in California where legislation required a two thirds majority which led to nothing getting passed.

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