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Jilly_in_VA

(9,941 posts)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:22 PM Mar 2022

America has failed Brittney Griner

Brittney Griner should be at home right now.

Nobody should be jailed for cannabis in the first place, either in Russia or here. Nobody should be detained for three weeks over hashish oil in their luggage on their way out of a country. should be held prisoner as a means to apply diplomatic pressure, as it appears Russia is doing in detaining a high-profile American athlete as a response to the United States backing Ukraine’s resistance to Vladimir Putin’s invasion.

And Griner isn’t just a regular American. The 31-year-old is a future Hall of Famer, a champion in both college and the pros, a two-time Olympic gold medalist, a seven-time WNBA All-Star, part of the WNBA’s 25th anniversary team, and the first player to dunk in the WNBA playoffs. She’s also a prominent Black lesbian, and Putin’s record on both race and sexuality is nightmarish.

So, the most important thing is making sure that Griner gets home safely. But Griner should be home right now.

https://deadspin.com/america-has-failed-brittney-griner-1848615381

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America has failed Brittney Griner (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Mar 2022 OP
It was also stupid of her to be carrying known illegal drugs. nt DURHAM D Mar 2022 #1
I'd agree cate94 Mar 2022 #2
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Mar 2022 #8
And you are 100% positive they were not planted? Ferrets are Cool Mar 2022 #21
Your statement captures the heart of America so very well. OneBro Mar 2022 #24
Biden has said he can no longer provide help to Americans in Russia. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #3
I don't know what you think that the US could or should do to protect someone Chainfire Mar 2022 #4
Americans are expected to follow the hosts laws. jimfields33 Mar 2022 #5
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Mar 2022 #10
1+. glad you're making the point stopdiggin Mar 2022 #13
And then there is the awkward answer to question: Sneederbunk Mar 2022 #6
The linked article in the OP explains it well. nt DURHAM D Mar 2022 #9
Per the news last night, she has played on teams there for 7 years because spooky3 Mar 2022 #11
She has spent seven years working in Russia during her off season FM123 Mar 2022 #7
Isn't Steven Segall still over there? n/t gay texan Mar 2022 #16
Steven Seagal is now a citizen of Russia, courtesy of Putin FM123 Mar 2022 #29
we don't make the laws stopdiggin Mar 2022 #12
What was she thinking? Ritabert Mar 2022 #14
Carrying pot into a country where it is illegal is a risk. She apparently took that risk Lettuce Be Mar 2022 #15
How do you know Jilly_in_VA Mar 2022 #17
How do you know it was? Xoan Mar 2022 #18
no way around it I'm afraid. She may have to spend years in russian prison AlexSFCA Mar 2022 #19
She would be home if she followed the laws of the Phoenix61 Mar 2022 #20
It saddens me to see all the animosity towards Ms Griner. WE have NO way of knowing the truth... Ferrets are Cool Mar 2022 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Mar 2022 #25
I think it's horrible for her and those Phoenix61 Mar 2022 #30
... Ferrets are Cool Mar 2022 #31
Anti drug laws are all American IbogaProject Mar 2022 #23
Russia's drug laws were created by the US? MichMan Mar 2022 #26
UN treaty requirement for decades IbogaProject Mar 2022 #36
Places where it has been legalized are in violation of the UN? MichMan Mar 2022 #37
Yes it was only recently removed for medical use IbogaProject Mar 2022 #38
Comments in this thread are a cold little reminder. OneBro Mar 2022 #27
I am worried for Griner and even believe she was likely set up Pachamama Mar 2022 #28
I am prepared to believe that Griner is being used as a diplomatic pawn. TomSlick Mar 2022 #32
The point of the article Jilly_in_VA Mar 2022 #33
The NBA should be boycotted until there is wage parity MichMan Mar 2022 #34
I don't pay any attention to the NBA anyway Jilly_in_VA Mar 2022 #35
Where would the money come from? Ptah Mar 2022 #39

OneBro

(1,159 posts)
24. Your statement captures the heart of America so very well.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 02:15 PM
Mar 2022

Because she was OBVIOUSLY guilty, right? I have zip idea whether she's innocent or guilty, but I'm curious as to what gave it away for you.

Chainfire

(17,471 posts)
4. I don't know what you think that the US could or should do to protect someone
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:30 PM
Mar 2022

from violating another countries drug laws. Unless these drugs were planted on her for political reasons, I would suggest that she was on her own.

I would also ask what is a regular American? Do you think that sports stars should have some kind of enhanced rights?

jimfields33

(15,703 posts)
5. Americans are expected to follow the hosts laws.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:32 PM
Mar 2022

Does not matter at all what is allowed here, but what is not allowed in another country. Is it any wonder why Americans have the reputation that we can do as we please overseas.

stopdiggin

(11,248 posts)
13. 1+. glad you're making the point
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:42 PM
Mar 2022

the 'privilege' word gets bandied about a lot ...

And America has not failed Griner - in any sense other than it hasn't been able to leverage her out of Russian authorities hands. (our 'influence' being a little on the thin side right now) But the fact that she is IN those hands ....

FM123

(10,053 posts)
7. She has spent seven years working in Russia during her off season
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:35 PM
Mar 2022

so by now, she probably felt safe enough traveling back and forth.

Little did she know that Putin was just waiting for a prominent American just like her to arrest and use as a political pawn. I am so afraid for her, he is an evil monster with no heart.

stopdiggin

(11,248 posts)
12. we don't make the laws
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:38 PM
Mar 2022

in other parts of the world. With all due sympathy for Griner - the fact that the U.S. has (rather recently, and rather quickly) adopted the stance that cannabis possession is a petty offense, does not mean that the rest of the world has followed suit. Foreign travelers should remain aware that you can't always just walk away from these things when you're on someone else's playground.

I agree this was politically motivated - and also hope that she is soon home. But unless this was a set-up and 'frame' against an innocent individual - Griner bears some responsibility for a really serious lack of judgement.

Lettuce Be

(2,336 posts)
15. Carrying pot into a country where it is illegal is a risk. She apparently took that risk
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:48 PM
Mar 2022

I agree it should be legal, but sorry it is not.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,941 posts)
17. How do you know
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:58 PM
Mar 2022

it wasn't planted on her so she could be used as a high-profile hostage? I'm sure she knows the law. Brittney is not stupid.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
19. no way around it I'm afraid. She may have to spend years in russian prison
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 01:24 PM
Mar 2022

the worst timing ever. One can only imagine putin has no interest releasing her. Not to mention her life might be in imminent danger in a russuian prison as she is reportedly lgbtq. Didn’t she live in russia for a while now, should have known better.
No, America did not fail her. Her family ought to be thinking of offering to pay large fine (millions?) for her return. Russia sure could use some cash now.

Phoenix61

(16,993 posts)
20. She would be home if she followed the laws of the
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 01:25 PM
Mar 2022

country she was in. I wanted to take gum and my vape into Singapore but…. they are both illegal there so I didn’t.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,103 posts)
22. It saddens me to see all the animosity towards Ms Griner. WE have NO way of knowing the truth...
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 01:56 PM
Mar 2022

and if you think the TRUTH comes out of Russia....I wont finish that sentence.
Sometimes I can't believe what I read here.

Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #22)

Phoenix61

(16,993 posts)
30. I think it's horrible for her and those
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 04:48 PM
Mar 2022

who love and care about her. I can’t begin to imagine how frightened they are. It’s not animosity and I sincerely apologize if it came across that way.

IbogaProject

(2,787 posts)
23. Anti drug laws are all American
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 02:02 PM
Mar 2022

We pioneered the anti drug laws and then ramped them up with banning cannabis. This is all the USA in the early 20th Century's fault.

IbogaProject

(2,787 posts)
36. UN treaty requirement for decades
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 10:49 PM
Mar 2022

Yes the UN Single Convention on Narcotics required nations to regulate a list of drugs, including THC and THC containing cannabis. Repressive regimes like these caught holding the bag laws as they can be used against dissidents and for simple corrupt purposes to steal other property from a framed 'criminal'.

IbogaProject

(2,787 posts)
38. Yes it was only recently removed for medical use
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 12:40 PM
Mar 2022
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/un-relaxes-international-control-of-56020/#:~:text=On%20Wednesday%2C%20December%202%2C%202020,Organization%20recommendation%20made%20last%20year.

Cannabis and cannabis resin, formerly classified on the most restrictive schedule under the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs (Single Convention) were moved to the least restrictive schedule following a historic vote by the UN Commission for Narcotic Drugs on December 2, 2020.

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, the UN’s Commission for Narcotic Drugs voted to remove “cannabis and cannabis resin” for medicinal purposes from Schedule IV of the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, adopting a World Health Organization recommendation made last year. With input from the Food and Drug Administration, the US voted in favor of removing cannabis from Schedule IV—a schedule reserved for drugs like heroin and fentanyl that pose a high risk of abuse or ill effects as compared to any potential therapeutic benefits. The removal from Schedule IV recognizes the legitimate medical utility of cannabis and cannabis resin and the lack of any significant risk of death or addiction. Cannabis and cannabis resin will still be subject to control under the Single Convention, but on Schedule I, the least-controlled schedule.

The full texts of the three main international conventions governing controlled substances—the Single Convention and the supplementary 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances and 1988 Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances—and revised schedules of drugs subject to international control

OneBro

(1,159 posts)
27. Comments in this thread are a cold little reminder.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 02:22 PM
Mar 2022

Our "liberal friends" are often no different when it comes to practicing INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY for some Americans, and GUILTY AS CHARGED for "others" unless "they" have objectively verifiable, certifiable proof of innocence.

'Merican as apple pie.

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
28. I am worried for Griner and even believe she was likely set up
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 02:22 PM
Mar 2022

That said - it’s wartime. And any foreign National who since early February who chose to stay there after the US Govt was releasing information on intelligence that Russia was going to attack Ukraine had to have basic common sense that it was time to leave - especially if you were an athlete or high profile American citizen. And leave with NOTHING on them.

Griner unfortunately had chosen to make money playing in Russia for the last decade. She knows the laws in Russia - she has to know Putin and the risks. I therefore believe she was likely set up. But the reality is that if she is now a prisoner and will be sentenced in a scam trial (like so many that Putin’s Russia has had for decades) and she and her family will have to accept that she is one person and a pawn and as important as her life is to them - she is no more important than every single human being in Ukraine being killed right now and if NATO and US won’t risk nuclear confrontation and let thousands die, she is not going to be allowed to be a propaganda pawn.

It’s harsh. It’s horrible. I say that with the same sadness and horror I feel inside about what is happening. But it’s war. And anytime anyone chooses to go travel, visit, work, live in a foreign country, in particular one that is not a democracy, one cannot rely on themselves being safe - even if they are rich or a celebrity.

How many Rubles was it worth this job for Griner? Sadly no amount. And she is now paying the price.

TomSlick

(11,088 posts)
32. I am prepared to believe that Griner is being used as a diplomatic pawn.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 10:29 PM
Mar 2022

However, I am unclear how the US failed her. What would you have the US do to get her out of prison? We are quickly running out of economic sanctions that can be imposed against Russia for invading a democratic neighbor.

Short of an invasion, what do you propose?

Jilly_in_VA

(9,941 posts)
33. The point of the article
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 11:10 AM
Mar 2022

and sad to say, it looks like some of you didn't read beyond the three posted paragraphs, is that IF Brittney Griner were a MALE athlete of her caliber, she wouldn't be in this mess at all, because she would have been paid what she is worth in this country. But because we treat even our best professional female athletes in a very second-class manner, they go overseas to play in the offseason.

Or maybe some of you are just too fixated on the drug aspects of the story to think about that part.

MichMan

(11,869 posts)
34. The NBA should be boycotted until there is wage parity
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 01:26 PM
Mar 2022

The top 7 WNBA players are paid $221,450 apiece

The top 7 NBA players are paid an average of $43 million apiece or 200 times as much, for playing the same game, under the same corporate umbrella. The rookie minimum NBA salary is $893,000 or 4x what the top stars of the WNBA are paid.

Think about that for a minute. A rookie playing his first year is paid 4 times what a super star WNBA player makes

Jilly_in_VA

(9,941 posts)
35. I don't pay any attention to the NBA anyway
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 01:32 PM
Mar 2022

but the WNBA should be getting some wage parity AND should be allowed to expand. For instance, there is a terrific fan base for women's basketball in Tennessee and has been for years (thanks mostly to Pat Summitt) but the WNBA has resisted basing a team in either Knoxville or Nashville. Knoxville has a pretty good arena in either the Coliseum or Thompson-Boling (which the W could probably lease from the University, benefiting both) and Nashville has several good sites. But nooooo.....

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