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sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:10 PM Jun 2015

I start to get a bit worried

about a new line of attack on Bernie. Several people
claim that he is too close to Israel. I may be wrong, but
this starts up an ugly ethnical or religious grievance
about Bernie being jewish. After all, Hillary has embraced
Bibi for years, yet there comes no complaint about her
extreme support for that country.

Am I overly sensitive or is this a real issue used as
a controversy?

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SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
1. Support of Israel is a real issue.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:18 PM
Jun 2015

I have learned to ignore that when I'm looking at any of our politicians, simply because I am completely out of step with most of them. I think we support Israel far too blindly and are oblivious to the real sufferings of the Palestinians. Just my opinion.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
3. I agree completely, but then
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jun 2015

why is this support only mentioned as an argument
against Bernie? That is my question.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
18. I agree with you there.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jun 2015

I blame my viewpoint on the fact that I spent quality grassroots time in Lebanon, Jordan and Syria prior to the '67 war. I was in old Jerusalem, Jordan in April that year, so I realize that my opinion is tainted.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
2. We have real issues
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jun 2015

to be concerned about with Every other candidate...But Sanders...at least imo and at this juncture. And No, I am not just taking about Dems.

He's really Better than the rest. Bernie Is the Better Dem. They know that. "They're", imo-simply trying to Drag Bernie Down to Their Level...to Discourage us.

I pay "them" No attention, at all.
I've, like thousands and thousands of other folks have followed Bernie for Years.

I'm not worried about Bernie, At all.
I have Trust and Respect for his intentions.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
4. Israel is a real issue, but I diverge from most politicians on that topic anyway
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:21 PM
Jun 2015

I'm not sure they can hit Sanders with anything terribly unique in that regard

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. A Jew is running for President IS a bit unusual, though.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:25 PM
Jun 2015

Not unique.



But, still unusual.

When JFK ran, the US was not verbally p.c. So, he got asked flat out if America should be worried that he would take marching orders from the Pope. Now, we're verbally p.c., but attitudes linger. So, now, no one is going to ask if Bibi is going to be the real President of America if Sanders is POTUS. But, there might be dog whistles.

I think that is what the OP may be getting at when she asks why Bernie is the only getting these questions when all the candidates have similar positions.

For example, in this land of immigrants, nothing is unique or even unusual about someone traveling to the homeland of a deceased parent and checking out traditions and such, as a way of somehow getting in touch with something. But, when that gets attention during a political campaign, it could be a dog whistle, from the opposition and/or media. Or not.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
6. I believe he was the first one to announce he wasn't going to the Netanyahu speech
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jun 2015

So he has been critical of POLICIES lately. That is a very important distinction. And yes, the whiff you of anti-semitism coming from the centrists, you're not the only one on this board who smells it. More than a few people have brought it up.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
7. am i the only one
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:36 PM
Jun 2015

who feels that it's not my business to have an opinion on an eternal holy war between peoples of another nation?

am I wrong to look at it this way? if I really had to give an opinion I'll always say that I think both parties are wrong, just stop fighting. the end.

perhaps I don't know what I'm talking about but, nothing changes the fact that this is their business and I don't want a hand in it.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
8. Bernie backed Obama over Netanyahu on Iran policy:
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:39 PM
Jun 2015
Bernie Sanders Slams Netanyahu’s Warmongering Speech To Congress

By: Jason Easleymore from Jason Easley
Tuesday, March, 3rd, 2015, 5:36 pm


en. Bernie Sanders stood firmly behind the diplomacy of President Obama today while shredding the warmongering speech that Netanyahu delivered to Congress.

In a statement, Sen. Sanders reacted to Netanyahu’s speech:

"More than a decade of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost us thousands of lives and trillions in treasure and made a difficult situation even worse. Those experiences should reinforce our resolve to make every diplomatic effort to avoid another rush to war.

It goes without saying that Iran must not be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon. It goes without saying that the United States will stand by our long-standing friendship and support for the nation of Israel. Unfortunately, Prime Minister Netanyahu did not offer any serious alternatives to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

At this point, harsher sanctions won’t stop Iran’s nuclear program. Neither would a dangerous resort to military action. The sanctions currently in place have brought Iran to the bargaining table and current negotiations resulted in Iran freezing its nuclear program. And for the past year, Iran has been subject to heightened international inspections. All of those things have made us safer.

I commend President Obama for his continued cooperation with the United Kingdom, France, China, Germany and Russia to reach a final agreement to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon."...

Read more:
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03/03/bernie-sanders-slams-netanyahus-warmongering-speech-congress.html


Cleita

(75,480 posts)
9. Not all Jews support Netanyahu and the Likkud Party that are persecuting
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:07 PM
Jun 2015

the Palestinians. Bernie is one of them. He might be the one President who can tackle this problem and set this ME tinder box straight.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
10. While it's a real issue
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:15 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie isn't as hard lined as people would have you think. Pretty mainstream AFAIK.

I'm sure he will be asked about it in the near future.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
12. It's flinging around more shit in the hopes of finding something that sticks.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jun 2015

Sanders has opposed Likud's actions in Israel. So if you're worried he'd let Israel continue their apartheid-like situation, you've got direct evidence to the contrary.

You can also reject the "He's a jew" whisper campaign that underlies this.

TBF

(32,084 posts)
14. I expect them to attack Bernie on a multitude of issues -
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:21 PM
Jun 2015

and by "them" I mean republicans and other democrats alike.

If anyone says to me "Bernie is too close to Israel" I would respond with "what do you mean by that". Because it sure sounds like something that is coming from someone who is anti-semetic.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
15. All politicians in the US are "too close to Israel."
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jun 2015
However out of the whole bunch of candidates, from either party, Bernie Sanders is the man most likely to give Palestinians a fair shake. He's a fair-minded guy, understands systemic oppression and the dangers of militarism.

So if the issue is important to you, and it should be, he's your guy. Not a perfect stance, but really about hte best we can hope for on that.
 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
16. You think that's bad?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:34 PM
Jun 2015

I was at the Left Forum in NYC this weekend. There was a forum entitled "Should the Left support Bernie Sanders?"
So many people think that Bernie is there as a plot by the DNC to draw the support of the left to Mrs. Clinton, and not address other issues that are "more important." Many are stating that there needs to be a third party and Bernie would be more credulous if he ran in a third party. Even the speakers who supposedly supported Sanders stated that if he was to lose the primary, they could use the mobilization of people that they got behind Bernie to other worthwhile causes.
The discussion was much nay-saying, and poo-pooing that Bernie is a mainstream candidate, who doesn't address the violence against people of color in this country, is for the military, and is against Palestine. Yes, these people are REAL socialists, Marxists, and the general EXTREME left wing. Jill Stein and Howie Hawkins of the Green Party were in attendance, but did little than pull for a Green Party presidency. There was even a little division within these leftists, as the Green Party is not really left, according to some.
Well among the drivel I sat through for an hour and a half, there was finally time for comments and questions from attendees.
When my turn to comment came up, this is what I said:
There are two ways that we can change the government in this country. That is by revolution or evolution. Revolution is too bloody, and messy, and we simply do not have the people power to accomplish this, so we must do this in an evolutionary way. Many speak about a third party, but a third party would only split one of the two parties, so we need more like third, fourth, fifth, and sixth parties. The more the better. This would split factions from the larger parties into their own groups.
Though there have been people running on a third party on the left, each time they run in a national election, they split the Democratic Party, and therefore we get garbage. Even if a third party won the presidential election, the candidate's agenda would go nowhere, because in the US, we pass laws in three bodies: The House of Representatives, the Senate, and the President. With only one of these three, there can be little or no movement to the left. If you really want to get this third party going, you have to run candidates in the House and Senate, and win them. Then, and only then, is there a chance that the left can have any hope of getting their agenda taken seriously.
Then came the kicker. I asked, by a show of hands, how many people have ran for office, including a small office, as school board. About a dozen people raised their hands, including myself, in an audience of over 200. I also asked how many would be willing to run for office. Only a few more hands went up.
I then stated that people cannot start a movement from the top down, it has always been from the bottom up, and this is no exception. If you want to get the left's agenda, it is your duty to run for office, any office, become a known entity, and accomplish small things to start, then work on to greater things, but the presidency was a way off. You have to get up off your ass, and stop bitching, and start doing something about it, and the only way that you can do something about it is to do it from within. So either do something to get people in office, or quit bitching, because that will get you nowhere.
Until such time as people are willing to get out and run for office, I shall pick the candidate who stands the best chance to win, who has similar values to mine, though not all. I would rather have something than nothing, and Sanders gives us that chance. Therefore, I shall support Bernie Sanders for president.
You could hear crickets when I was done.
Nobody shied away from me, but there was no applause, as there was for other commenters. I could tell, by the expressions on some folks' faces, that I made them think, which is all that I could hope to accomplish.

Sorry if this is off topic a bit, but I had to spill it somewhere, and this seemed like the best opportunity.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
17. Bernie does not like Netanyahu, that's all we need to know,. He supports Israel, but unlike many of
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jun 2015

our Dems he has gone after them over their treatment of the Palestinians.

He treats Israel the same way he treats this country, he loves it, but he doesn't hesitate to point out when they are wrong.

DO NOT WORRY ABOUT THE SMEAR CAMPAIGNERS.

Just keep posing all the positive things there are to say about Bernie.

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