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From Twitter: "If Sanders Wins Iowa, expect..." (Original Post) Hissyspit Feb 2016 OP
I havn't been this nervous and excited since Bobby Kennedy! OffWithTheirHeads Feb 2016 #1
Let's hope this run has a happier ending. LS_Editor Feb 2016 #14
Talking heads are already saying, don't believe everything you see and hear tonight. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #2
So then like the exit polling in 2004 are they setting us up for INdemo Feb 2016 #15
David V. Johnson has that much right. Hillarians are highly predictable n/t 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #3
W/all the super-Pac $$$ she has..... alittlelark Feb 2016 #4
This is nerve-racking. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #5
That is so true! They will downplay Bernie's win...no doubt about it. n/t in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #6
And we'll hear he can't win the south ;) jillan Feb 2016 #7
He will definitely loose the Jewish and youth vote so they say. LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #10
HA! Good one! eom LiberalElite Feb 2016 #11
yep, smile. oldandhappy Feb 2016 #8
The fact is that if Hillary wins by less than fifteen points, HubertHeaver Feb 2016 #9
I agree with that. senz Feb 2016 #21
I am very surprised how well Bernie has done elmac Feb 2016 #12
No it wont because we are the miracle..You will see a continuation of what INdemo Feb 2016 #16
Soooo True. nt zentrum Feb 2016 #13
That is a fact! blackspade Feb 2016 #17
I have never routed for Iowa before(since I'm a college football dude) Duckfan Feb 2016 #18
First Mira Feb 2016 #19
Iowa shouldn't matter much Martin Eden Feb 2016 #20
I Dont Consider Hillary Honest Ever...So I Expect The Smears billhicks76 Feb 2016 #22
Because Ted Cruz is such a stickler for the truth? Boomer Feb 2016 #23
I Will Settle Too billhicks76 Feb 2016 #24
The state should have been a Sanders cakewalk (sarcasm) Babel_17 Feb 2016 #25

HubertHeaver

(2,519 posts)
9. The fact is that if Hillary wins by less than fifteen points,
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 08:31 PM
Feb 2016

it is in reality a devastating loss and demonstrates grave weakness.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
21. I agree with that.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:56 PM
Feb 2016

She's been running since she left the White House, has a big name, is a multi-millionaire. She'll do anything for it and is not hampered by ethics. If little unknown Bernie Sanders is just 2 percentage points behind her, she's going to look weak.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
12. I am very surprised how well Bernie has done
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 08:49 PM
Feb 2016

with the DNC & news networks fighting him all the way. He will be fighting the good fight but there is so much corruption and money in the system it will take a miracle to put him in the highest office. As I type this MSNBC says Bernie is too far to the left to win a general election. The lies just keep coming, it will take a miracle.

INdemo

(6,993 posts)
16. No it wont because we are the miracle..You will see a continuation of what
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 08:59 PM
Feb 2016

is happening now with small donors and they will dig much deeper and we will win.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
18. I have never routed for Iowa before(since I'm a college football dude)
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:36 PM
Feb 2016

But tonight I am routing for Iowa. And I think they will come through based on what is being posted on high voter turnout.

COME ON BERNIE!! IT'S FIRST AND GOAL!!!!

Martin Eden

(12,757 posts)
20. Iowa shouldn't matter much
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:54 PM
Feb 2016

I'm not referring to any particular election. Iowa doesn't hold a big count of electoral votes, and its only real distinction in electoral politics is the date of its primary caucus.

Boomer

(4,153 posts)
23. Because Ted Cruz is such a stickler for the truth?
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 10:31 PM
Feb 2016

I'm a fervent Sanders supporter, but if Sanders doesn't win I'll settle for HRC's dishonesty over Ted Cruz or Donald Trump's drama-mongering.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
24. I Will Settle Too
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 10:56 PM
Feb 2016

But make no mistake she will lose and who cares then? Hillary and her ilk got their entitlement but lose the whole election for us. Anyone with any intelligence or ability to forecast knows the Republican nominee will be Rubio or Trump.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
25. The state should have been a Sanders cakewalk (sarcasm)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:58 AM
Feb 2016

Lol, Clinton had campaigned there, albeit intermittently, for a decade, still had all her contacts from last time, and had the Democratic establishment behind her. She's had years worth of free publicity, and Senator Sanders has been barely been an afterthought in the media until the last few months.

Half of Iowa defied the media, the party leadership, and said "No!" to one of the largest, and most lavishly funded, political machines ever to set foot in their state. Half of Iowa said "Yes!" to the campaign that the establishment has tried to ignore, and which is funded by the small donations of the people.

Half of Iowa voted for the campaign that generates its own buzz, and which doesn't need publicity, and establishment endorsements, handed to it as an entitlement.

All of the nation got to see that Secretary Clinton's campaign couldn't put down the upstart rebellion of the Sanders campaign. Combine that with the ongoing FBI investigations into the Clintons modus operandi, and ethics, and then add in a likely defeat for them in New Hampshire, and we'll see that adding up to the Sanders campaign being portrayed in a more positive light by the media.

The party establishment will look rotten to the core if they continue to ignore the importance of the enthusiasm of this part of the party, and that of Independents who are now willing to vote for a Democrat. They must begin to weigh how the party will fare with Clinton at the top of the ticket, vs. with Sanders at the top of the ticket.

A Clinton that already has 60% of the voters seeing her as dishonest, that the FBI wants to see indicted, will not bring out the droves of Independents and new voters that we must have to win in the swing states. And that won't win us the close elections for the House and Senate, or win us back the local offices. The party establishment will be seen as clearly having a choice here. They can keep their fingers off the scales, or they can risk being seen as willing to crash and burn our chances in November because they can't think outside the box.

I'll spell it out for them. For whatever reasons, Secretary Clinton is basically incapable of ever co-opting the vast majority of Sanders supporters. So when they crunch the numbers for winning swing states, prudence dictates that they should allow for a massive Republican turnout (look at Iowa) to keep Secretary Clinton out, and a depressed Democratic turnout as many of these new voters just won't show up for a Democratic candidate who looks like part of the problem.

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