Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumAnybody hear what I heard???
I've not read every current thread on DU (I confess, I can't since I don't have THAT kind of idle time!), but I heard something from HRC in her "victory" speech last night that made me roll it back for an instant replay. She said at one point that she was going to win so she could bring about the reality of "universal health care!". Tell me if I'm wrong, but that seems to sound WAY different than "well fix Obamacare and make it better" - or am I dreaming? Wouldn't Medicare for all be the same thing as Universal Health Care???
Like I said: tell me if I just read it wrong. Seems to me she's shifted to Bernie's aims after being battered with the "No You Can't!" taunts. If they ARE the same thing, gonna be interesting to see how that topic squares when their in the next debate.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)be surprised. More evolution I am sure.
napi21
(45,806 posts)She definately said universal health care when she was talking about things she & Bernie agree on. (I think thats where I heard her say that.) Chris is supposed to play the entire interview on his show tonight, so we'll see. If it wasnt there that I saw her say that then I don't know where, but I DID hear her say those words.
Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)what she will do if she does win can be vastly different. How does one know what she really means?
hedda_foil
(16,483 posts)And bashes Bernie as a dirty commie equivalent.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)and Bernie says "you" and "we". Seriously, listen carefully for it. It's very telling.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)That's one profound observation.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)to keep the same position on an issue for more then a few day, do you?
ErisDiscordia
(443 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,513 posts)Unlike Bernie, the real progressive, authentic candidate.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Autumn
(45,964 posts)hell she means.
djean111
(14,255 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)who doesn't have insurance. Problem solved!
Jarqui
(10,421 posts)they're jumping ship to his boat
Their talking points will be carefully constructed to mislead Democrats while avoiding going too far to the left for the general election.
She will say anything and do anything to get elected.
Bernie won't. Whether he'll be able to do what he hopes to remains to be seen but he means what he says. He's not going to deceive people like Hillary.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Clearly, the Camp Weathervane dictionary will be seeing a lot of usage.
Jarqui
(10,421 posts)that triggered her Bosnia sniper lie.
Because it will beg the question "what progressive things legislatively have you got done?"
And most people come up with light weight stuff or are stumped.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I'm usually too busy laughing at a neoliberal trying to sell me on the idea that she's a progressive. What she is mostly is In It For Hillary.
Jarqui
(10,421 posts)global1
(25,856 posts)the Progressive Hillary or the Moderate Hillary?
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)in between right and further right
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)I saw quite a bit of it on TYT. As much as they aired.
Campaign finance, banking, universal health care, climate change, renewable energy, one right after another.
After Bernie doing so well in spite of media blackouts and outright lies has convinced her which way the wind is currently blowing. She's on board.
I could not get a copy of her speech and the TYT commentary. Here is a clip of a report from right before the Iowa caucus.
And one more for dessert
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)I was laughing too much to concentrate after that.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)Is there anything she won't say?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,513 posts)leftcoastmountains
(2,968 posts)It's for the primaries and that's all.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Check out several clips of several flip flops and lies Hillary has told.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511126809
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)flip flopper..thinks we are all low information voters. We just won't notice.
TBF
(33,948 posts)from her on the issues from week to week is beyond me.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)Her absolute nerve is just so stunning. Could she be suffering dementia? Really. 3 days ago it was "Never ever" on universal healthcare and today she will bring about the reality of same? This is OMF big time.
pa28
(6,145 posts)After piously lecturing Iowans about "Medicare for all" being a naive fantasy that would never happen she casually dropped that in her speech without explanation.
Polls say she lacks integrity and is not to be trusted. I see why.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Which was different from the US will have Medicare for All by the year 2000.
Can you draw a full circle? That would about represent the various statements Hillary has made about Medicare for All.
NowSam
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(12,882 posts)I don't have the talent to post as you did or I'd have done so in my OP. "Universal Health Care Coverage" The word "coverage" CAN suggest she's talking about insurance, but it's not an absolute certainty. Anybody that wants to argue one way or the other has to conclude she's either very precise or very sloppy with her words.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Honestly, with all of her flip-flopping, I can't imagine listening to a word she says. Just noise, at this point.
jillan
(39,451 posts)I want a President that says what he means so he doesn't have to change his mind.