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Damn - I really thought he'd pull it off. (Original Post) jillan Feb 2016 OP
Harry Reid's machine is still strong and it backed Hillary Larkspur Feb 2016 #1
They all have a lot to protect tblue Feb 2016 #24
I didn't but I still think he did amazing dana_b Feb 2016 #2
Cnn has not called it yet says votes not yet counted in Las Vegas. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #3
AP (Assoc. Press) said HC at 5:15 PM ET, NYT same. She tweeted her thanks then appalachiablue Feb 2016 #39
I was surprised Vegas was so heavily for Clinton. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #4
Same. The Machine is alive. appalachiablue Feb 2016 #40
Me too farleftlib Feb 2016 #5
+1 appalachiablue Feb 2016 #41
It's Ok. desmiller Feb 2016 #6
Too much sun for those in Nevada Politicalboi Feb 2016 #7
I was optimistic : ( wendylaroux Feb 2016 #8
There's a lot of sleepwalkers out there. Gregorian Feb 2016 #9
I just donated to Bernie n/t Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #10
Machine politics TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #11
Me too! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #12
Demographics noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #13
Tied at 9 delegates each n/t Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #15
If they both have 9 delegates then the primary is still in Bernie's favor Lordquinton Feb 2016 #16
Just updated.... Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #17
Ah Lordquinton Feb 2016 #27
The state convention will allocate delegates and until that happens we won't totodeinhere Feb 2016 #49
Well you might want to let Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #50
The state convention will allocate 12 delegates who have not yet been determined. totodeinhere Feb 2016 #54
It's amazing how many will SmittynMo Feb 2016 #14
Cult of Personality TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #20
It almost has to be a cult. SmittynMo Feb 2016 #35
Agree on all. The Machine and M$M are responsible for a lot of the reason why people appalachiablue Feb 2016 #43
And again, why do people, SmittynMo Feb 2016 #56
It makes me very angry for the young and future too. As I implied, people appalachiablue Feb 2016 #58
Excellent viewpoint SmittynMo Feb 2016 #63
Correct, there is a critical opportunity now to improve for the future, because appalachiablue Feb 2016 #65
Cmon, a bump in the road. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #18
Yes, yes, and narnian60 Feb 2016 #52
Kitchen sink tblue Feb 2016 #19
Kitchen sTink. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #38
+5 appalachiablue Feb 2016 #44
From NYT Demographic Breakdown noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #21
That's interesting - I thought it would be the other way around. jillan Feb 2016 #23
It is very interesting noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #26
Yeah But that's From Nevada PRIMARY in 2008 when they Were Voting AGAINST her Stallion Feb 2016 #42
I think Bernie should skip SC and move onto the Super Tuesday states. jillan Feb 2016 #22
No Way noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #25
No. He still needs to introduce himself to more AA voters... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #45
Another Good Demographic noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #28
Why NOT HUGE FOR HILLARY? noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #29
Demographics have changed much there since 2008 and the many home appalachiablue Feb 2016 #51
I read on DU about a week ago Nite Owl Feb 2016 #30
I am Jewish. I don't think that would have made a difference because the Jewish people that jillan Feb 2016 #33
Sounds logical and I guess Nite Owl Feb 2016 #62
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #31
If I made a similar comment TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #32
True dat! jillan Feb 2016 #36
Keep on supporting. This is only the 3rd state Paulie Feb 2016 #34
+ a Brazillian. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #47
So did I. potone Feb 2016 #37
Lets wait and see how exactly the delegate allocation shakes out. Remember that in 2008 totodeinhere Feb 2016 #46
True. The fact that he won a lot of rural counties is encouraging. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #48
Good point! n/t Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #53
Well me too but MuseRider Feb 2016 #55
Same here Trajan Feb 2016 #57
Considering Bernie was 40 points behind a few weeks ago and ends almost a tie in Nevada, LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #59
I agree that he has come from so far behind that tonight is a win. ladyVet Feb 2016 #60
I don't know how it works out there but in some places the unions decide who works what hours like LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #61
He probably would have without the usual HRC shenanigans Lorien Feb 2016 #64
 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
1. Harry Reid's machine is still strong and it backed Hillary
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:19 PM
Feb 2016

still Bernie, who got a late start in NV, managed to do well.

Next question is how many delegates do each candidate get?

tblue

(16,350 posts)
24. They all have a lot to protect
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:36 PM
Feb 2016

None of it has anything to do with what's best for the 99%. He said she'd throw the kitchen sink at him and man did she!

Let's take the rest of the weekend off and show our guy we have his back! He's there for us. Let's be there for him!

#FeelTheBern

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
2. I didn't but I still think he did amazing
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:20 PM
Feb 2016

and he came so far from where he was!! Chin up!! We still have Super Tuesday to look forward to.

appalachiablue

(44,023 posts)
39. AP (Assoc. Press) said HC at 5:15 PM ET, NYT same. She tweeted her thanks then
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:54 PM
Feb 2016

from Caesar's Palace, Vegas.

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-02-20/clinton-tries-to-pull-out-win-in-toss-up-nevada-caucuses

Berners did very well, wonder about delegate counts. Unions assisted with long lines to discourage some voters I read.

Onward and Keep Up the Spirit!

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
5. Me too
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:21 PM
Feb 2016

This is a sad day for our country and our democracy. Bernie will keep fighting for every vote. We can hold on to that.

desmiller

(747 posts)
6. It's Ok.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:21 PM
Feb 2016

We all know what's going on. These so-call Super Delegates are nullifying the people's will.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
8. I was optimistic : (
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:22 PM
Feb 2016

So glad to know that more people are happy with the same old corrupt shit, than aren't.

Boggles the mind.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
9. There's a lot of sleepwalkers out there.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:23 PM
Feb 2016

I never expected Bernie to be more than a blip on a tv screen, and then gone. But seeing the passion, I think there's room for hope. There are more truly progressive people out there than I thought. That's evident now that we see how far Bernie has gone. It's always frustrating when you have great dreams for building a better future, and you encounter resistance.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
16. If they both have 9 delegates then the primary is still in Bernie's favor
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:30 PM
Feb 2016

and the margin is still being tallied.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
27. Ah
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:38 PM
Feb 2016

Still votes to be counted, and it's only the 3rd state.

This is still a huge gap closed, but it's being touted as a major loss for Sanders, even though it's not even 5%

totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
49. The state convention will allocate delegates and until that happens we won't
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:11 PM
Feb 2016

know for sure what the breakdown will be.

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
50. Well you might want to let
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:14 PM
Feb 2016

...the NYT know. That is where I got the info.

Just checked...it's still up on their site.

totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
54. The state convention will allocate 12 delegates who have not yet been determined.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:19 PM
Feb 2016

The NYT is only making a projection.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
14. It's amazing how many will
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:28 PM
Feb 2016

actually vote against their best interest. I just don't get it.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
20. Cult of Personality
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:33 PM
Feb 2016

The Clintons have always managed to convince people that they were on the people's side regardless of their actions. Say one thing and do another seems to work very well in our political system.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
35. It almost has to be a cult.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:46 PM
Feb 2016

I'll be honest with you. As slanted as an opinion as I might have, I am utterly amazed that he has not won EVERY state, and win big (+10). There is no comparison to the 2 candidates and their policies.

Bernie clearly stands out as the president "For the people". I am shocked. When in the hell is this country going to wake up and support ALL the people, not the few.

appalachiablue

(44,023 posts)
43. Agree on all. The Machine and M$M are responsible for a lot of the reason why people
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:05 PM
Feb 2016

don't know the seriousness of issues we face, intentionally. That's precisely why TPTB with Reagan and Clinton lifted regulations on media, banks, trade agreements, etc.

But, Americans are up on NFL, sports and infotainment for 25+ years.

Keep Calm, Carry On and Feel the Bern!

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
56. And again, why do people,
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:26 PM
Feb 2016

knowing all this information, continue to vote against their best interest?

I simply will never understand why we want the same old, same old, when we all know how well we've done as a country, in the past.

The oligarchs are winning, and it makes me very angry, especially for my kids and grandkids, that may never have the chance to go to college. It just goes on and on. I just hope it isn't too late for us.

appalachiablue

(44,023 posts)
58. It makes me very angry for the young and future too. As I implied, people
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:51 PM
Feb 2016

who aren't dumb, or well off, and are educated STILL don't know how bad things are I've found. Most frustrating trying to inform them, and nudge them to indy news.

Some I know have unfortunately fallen for the MIC, 'national security' and Muslim fear and drama propagated by M$M particularly in the last 5 years. From this I've broken with one lifelong friend, and possibly a relative (both D's), sorry to say.

This corrupt, destructive system has been in place for 30 years; the 2008 Crash should have broken it up and started real reforms.

Don't know what it will take, and hope there's time left. Especially regarding the coming TPP, climate change and looming loss of millions of jobs- 50% unemployment over the next 30 years from AI, forecast by top science experts and other world leaders.

Unbelievable, like the extreme right, GOP- run Congress and many Red states. Not looking good for the young without immediate, serious change.

But carry on we must, with this progressive movement...

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
63. Excellent viewpoint
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:18 PM
Feb 2016

I am one of the lucky ones. In 10 months, am I'm retiring. I'm done with corporate America. Period. It's been hell for me, especially the past 10 years. And you're right, with UE going to 50%, the situation for all Americans will be going down drastically. And yes, it's bad out there. Imagine what it's like for an unemployed 62 year old.

And now, here is a huge chance to change the future, in a big way, and people say fuck it. I don't get it.

But yes you're right, it's not even close to being over. This progressive movement must move on. Bernie is that person we need.

It should all be over one way or another within the next 3-4 weeks.

Go Bernie, GO!!!!!

appalachiablue

(44,023 posts)
65. Correct, there is a critical opportunity now to improve for the future, because
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016

of Bernie. The next candidate similar to him will be shut down very quickly, if there is one as I've read.

So matters will be decided in several weeks, meaning the two March Super Tuesdays I suppose. Wow, that's soon.

The new State release of emails are to be dealt with by Feb. 22 and 29 according to an article I posted last night in GD-P. What impact that might have no one knows. It's Megaton Push for Bernie now!

Congrats on your retirement and release from the corporate world. I was around it peripherally and couldn't have worked there from what I saw. It was superficial, pretty ugly and what I later learned ghastly, in terms of personnel and policy. (no offense).

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
18. Cmon, a bump in the road.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:32 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders isn't going to take every state. There'll be some disappointing losses and some surprise wins. He'll pick up several Super Tuesday states, and lose some, but after mid March is a string of states hell do well in. We just have to keep the support up until the convention...it's still a ways off.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
38. Kitchen sTink.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:50 PM
Feb 2016

It's not the heat in this kitchen that bothers me, it's the stink. Long lines, union bosses herding casino workers,
Clinton lies, Clinton caucus peeps caucusing BEFORE registering to vote ...I know I know..
If Bernie had won, I wouldn't care about any of it, but I don't like caucuses .. the more I see of
then, the less I like.

Stallion

(6,642 posts)
42. Yeah But that's From Nevada PRIMARY in 2008 when they Were Voting AGAINST her
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:04 PM
Feb 2016

and I'm sure got a huge percentage of those that favored her in 2008

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
45. No. He still needs to introduce himself to more AA voters...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:07 PM
Feb 2016

...and pick up every delegate he can. SC ain't gonna be pretty, but if he keeps the losses close and wins big in a few states he'll be looking pretty good. Things look good for ME, Mass, VT, VA, MN and many others.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
28. Another Good Demographic
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:40 PM
Feb 2016

Sparsely populated counties
Bernie Sanders 53.1%
Hillary Clinton 46.7

This is where Dems usually falter.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
29. Why NOT HUGE FOR HILLARY?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:43 PM
Feb 2016

Favored Hillary Clinton in 2008
Hillary Clinton 54.4%
Bernie Sanders 45.5

She should have blown him out here.

appalachiablue

(44,023 posts)
51. Demographics have changed much there since 2008 and the many home
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:14 PM
Feb 2016

foreclosures should have boosted Bernie more. But he's come so far very fast.

This entrenched establishment has been set for 30 years, we've begun to crack it, really since 2008 but efforts were thwarted then.

Carry on and Feel the Bern!

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
30. I read on DU about a week ago
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:43 PM
Feb 2016

that there is a group of orthodox Jews that most likely would have voted for Bernie and since it is a Saturday they couldn't come out to vote since they aren't supposed to drive etc. Wonder if it would have made any difference if the caucus were switched to Sunday.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
33. I am Jewish. I don't think that would have made a difference because the Jewish people that
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:46 PM
Feb 2016

observe the Sabbath are more conservative - more of the Israel can do no wrong crowd & vote for repugs.

I could be wrong. But that's how I see it.

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
62. Sounds logical and I guess
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:53 PM
Feb 2016

the Bernie camp knew that or they would have wanted it changed.

Response to jillan (Original post)

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
32. If I made a similar comment
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:46 PM
Feb 2016

On the Hillary board about how she is bought and paid for by corporate interests, I would be banned from that board.

potone

(1,701 posts)
37. So did I.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:47 PM
Feb 2016

Oh well, I should know better than to get my hopes up so easily. This whole process has been stacked against him from the beginning; it is a marvel that he is doing as well as he is with so little support from Democratic politicians.

totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
46. Lets wait and see how exactly the delegate allocation shakes out. Remember that in 2008
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:08 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary got more caucus votes yet Obama got more delegates. It is not over in Nevada and won't be until the state convention actually rewards delegates.

Regarding the raw vote totals, the Harry Reid machine in Clark County was too much to overcome.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
48. True. The fact that he won a lot of rural counties is encouraging.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:11 PM
Feb 2016

The delegates aren't equally apportioned by population.

MuseRider

(35,176 posts)
55. Well me too but
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:21 PM
Feb 2016

he came so close when you consider how quickly he raised his numbers. This is really a very good result, if you had to lose that is. Disappointed yes but what is happening is what we had hoped would happen. Numbers are rising, we just need to keep going.

We always knew it would be hard. Keep it up! NGU

LiberalArkie

(19,806 posts)
59. Considering Bernie was 40 points behind a few weeks ago and ends almost a tie in Nevada,
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:03 PM
Feb 2016

I would say he is gaining fast.

He lost in a union controlled town in a caucus. The union leaders were for HRC. The unions had observers at all the caucus sites. Who in their right mind as a union person vote for Bernie when the person controlling your job said to vote for HRC.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
60. I agree that he has come from so far behind that tonight is a win.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:14 PM
Feb 2016

As for some union twerp squeezing me on a vote? It'd be a cold day on the sun before that happened. But I guess people are afraid of losing jobs, so they let themselves be influenced.

Or they're stupid.

LiberalArkie

(19,806 posts)
61. I don't know how it works out there but in some places the unions decide who works what hours like
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:20 PM
Feb 2016

the old union hall where you went down to see if they had a job for you. For just a vote and a union man in a union shirt as an observer, I would vote for who ever he wanted me to vote.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
64. He probably would have without the usual HRC shenanigans
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:30 PM
Feb 2016

they pulled the same crap in NV that they did in Iowa. I'm sure that more will come out in the coming days.

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