I'm leaving DU, but I'm not ending the fight.

[plus5mace]

I have voted a straight party slate for the Democrats for more than a decade, but it is clear to me now that the Democratic Party itself is the largest obstacle to reform in the country. Bernie may succeed, God willing, in saving the party from itself, but for me it is too late. I now know that from the top to the bottom, every part of this party is complicit in the corruption that defines it politically. There are few actual good guys; the public personas that our leaders wear are as authentic as the theatrics at a professional wrestling event.

I cannot in good conscience align with this party of race baiters and smear merchants anymore. I will make no future contributions to any Democrat aside from this: I will donate $2000 to the Sanders campaign, the entire allotment of what I had planned to contribute in 2016. I'm not rich but I will spend what I can on a lottery where the only prize is a chance at a future. I may start posting more on Reddit or devote myself to activities with more tangible results, but I won't be posting here. This is a site for Democrats, and I want nothing to do with an unreformed Democratic Party.

[cantbeserious]

1. I Sincerely Understand The Angst And Frustration - Best Wishes Moving Forward

eom

[AllTooEasy]

30. Bullshit: DU is a pro-Bernie site

Everytime I open DU, I only see pro-Bernie and anti-Hillary posts on the home page. Just look at the homepage today!

[cantbeserious]

32. Get Thee To The Ignore List Promptly - Bye - Bye

eom

[Skwmom]

37. There are so many phony Bernie supporters on this site I have lost track. n/t

[Bangbangdem]

67. ?

Have you tried? How do you define fake Sanders supporters. You mean they're secretly republicans? Your statement makes no sense. I mean this with all do respect. But, what the heck are you talking about?

[Skwmom]

74. Just because someone on this board says the support Bernie or uses a Bernie icon doesn't mean that

they do.

[Bangbangdem]

78. What's the MO?

[Art_from_Ark]

100. The MO is usually posting a bunch of smears against Bernie

while claiming to be a supporter.

It's a psy-op tactic-- pretend to be a supporter, gain the confidence of actual supporters, then smear the person who is supposedly being supported.

[Bangbangdem]

86. That is sick.

[Bangbangdem]

89. Copy that

[TTUBatfan2008]

41. Want some cheese with your whine?

The owner of the site is a Hillary supporter and the website demands party loyalty. I believe the thread starter is referring to this in his frustration. "Party over principle" is a tough pill to swallow.

[INdemo]

65. OMG.....There are one hell-of-a-lot of Clinton

Operatives here that continue to keep things stirred up and have their scripts in hand. If you wait awhile you will see a huge evacuation from DU of Hillary supporters if the Primary is in Bernie's favor...But never-the-less DU will never be what it was before Bernie Sanders entered the race or even before the Primary started.

Clinton supporters own DU..Clinton supporters have Alerted a post over the most trivial comments... if someone said Hillary lied or that she was terrible candidate or if she was a "Republican lite". Alert... Alert
Hillary supporter have to hold the record for total number of Alerts.
Now the "Republican Lite" well that got a lot of attention for the Alerts and even on the Thom Hartman show..

I differ with you.... Clinton Supporters own DU

[Bubzer]

73. "Clinton Supporters own DU" - Literally.

[Iggo]

88. Which will become plainly evident after the convention if Clinton wins the nomination.

"Big changes", and all that.

[INdemo]

77. DU is overwhelmed with Hillary opertives so how can you say that it Pro Bernie

[Iggo]

87. Aw.

[HassleCat]

2. I'm attracted to your position.

Not there yet, but moving day by day.

[Old Codger]

3. Pretty close

To that myself.... torn back and forth on a daily, sometimes hourly basis

[Hiraeth]

4. I understand.

Without the aid of Ignore and Trash Thread I would be gone, too.

[cantbeserious]

12. Now Have All Bernie Group Banned DU Members On Full Ignore

eom

[Hiraeth]

90. ?

[cantbeserious]

92. DU Has Two Useful Features - Trash A Forum And Full Ignore

Have trashed the Hillary Clinton forum so that none of those threads show up when using DU.

Have also placed all of the DU members banned from the Bernie group on Full Ignore so that none of their threads show up when using DU.

Both measures go a long way to making DU much less noisy and much more civil.

[Hiraeth]

101. oh yes, got it now. Yes, I trashed Hillary Group the minute William769 banned me for asking

a question. I have several DUers on ignore and they are all probably banned from this group. Checking the list now to see if they are.

I was never one for ignore and try to use it sparingly .... depend on Trash Thread a lot.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

104. Is there a list somewhere? I need to x-ref to my list.

[cantbeserious]

106. Yes - Go To The Group And Then Bring Up About This Group - The Banned List Will Be There

eom

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

113. Holy crap - they've already banned 573 from their Hillary forum (as if anyone cares).

I'm proud to be 257!

[cantbeserious]

114. Yes - And I Am Proud To Be # 2

eom

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. Wish you'd hang in and help the fight!

If Bernie isn't our nominee (Goddesses forbid!) I'm exiting too and will NEVER support the corrupt Dem party again. They've really exposed themselves this election! I'm here for Bernie and Bernie ONLY. If he wins and changes the direction if the party, I'll stay in it.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Plucketeer]

45. I'm with ya! If Bernie isn't the Dem nominee

I'm gonna have LOTS more time for things around here - lots more money too. In fact, I just might get so busy that I forget to vote in November! Having come to realize that the group I used to be proud to be a part of - a group that theoretically were the stalwarts of truth and justice - has morphed into the tilt-the-gameboard gang - Lite Rite, if you will - it's not where I care to socialize. As the old line goes - you're judged by the company you keep.

[CentralMass]

6. There are times when not punching the top of the ticket is the right vote.

[840high]

18. .^that

I'm there.

[LovingA2andMI]

51. This^^^^^

Yes, Indeed.

[Smarmie Doofus]

64. ^^^^ And the other thing.^^^^^

Sorry. Couldn't help myself.

Besides... it feels like we need just a *touch* of levity here right about now.

[dchill]

103. ^^^^^ And the kitchen sink. ^^^^^

Also, too.

[Depaysement]

7. I understand this

Not sure what I going to do.

I am more disenchanted than ever. I dislike most Hillary supporters here. I think the Dems are growing even more corporatist, anti-labor, anti-democratic. That must be fixed or we need an alternative.

[polly7]

25. Have you checked out this site?

http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php

There are some amazing people there - including nearly 500 who registered from here within 2 days. It's got everything.

[Merryland]

31. thanks!

[left-of-center2012]

38. Thanks for the info

Just signed up!

[Depaysement]

91. Yes, thank you

[EdwardBernays]

8. totally understand

best of luck!

[Gregorian]

9. It is rather irritating. I, however, don't want them taking our party from us.

Let them start a new party. They're the ones who are way off track.

I hear you though. I've left this forum for years at a time. Remember, Bernie is picking up more Latinos and Indies. So hang in there a few more months before totally giving up.

Thanks for sharing.

[Fuddnik]

23. They already have.

This ain't the party I've supported since 1972.

[Art_from_Ark]

102. No, it sure isn't.

[jillan]

10. I completely understand. We are no longer welcome in the Democratic party.

[onecaliberal]

44. I feel like this too, as though we are no longer welcome.

[rickford66]

11. The clown car group and Hillary want to be president.

Bernie wants to improve the lives of American people while not inflicting pain and suffering on innocents overseas. Plain and simple. That's how I see it. If Bernie doesn't make it, this country is doomed.

[cantbeserious]

13. Agree Completely With Those Thoughts

eom

[Plucketeer]

46. SPOT ON! nt

[Lorien]

95. The country and the planet as a whole, and the rest of the planet knows this

Hillary loves fracking, the Keytone XL, and the TPP. NASA has already said that Keystone XL would mean curtains for the planet, but she doesn't care. Short term profits for political payback are all that she has her eyes on. Meanwhile, Burlington Vermont is already off fossil fuels! Bernie will do everything possible to wean us off the things that are destroying us, making life healthier and more affordable for us all in the long run. How anyone can't see this or doesn't care is beyond me.

[cui bono]

14. Totally get where you are coming from.

Especially after the disgraceful antics of last night with yet another smear campaign against Bernie and his supporters.

When the only other candidate in the party and her supporters act just like the GOP with the Wall Street money and the constant swiftboating attempts it is more and more difficult to identify with the establishment Democratic Party. The fact that they try so hard to define themselves as liberal and progressive is pathetic.

We need the party back where it belongs, on the left, supporting workers and unions and all the citizens of the USA without being tied to big money interests. The fact that the establishment Dems and their supporters are actively trying to squash people's dreams of a better life is sickening. What happened to the Democratic Party platform? It's a good one, we need to get back to those principles and ideals and drop the DLC/Third Way. Otherwise there will HAVE to be a third party that represents the people. If Bernie doesn't win the nomination that may just be the outcome of all of this.

.

[truthseeker1]

15. Twitter is a good alternative

Build a network of Bernie supporters - only follow sources you trust. Please stay engaged even if it's at a minimal level. Decide what your boundaries are and don't allow yourself to get burned out. (I have to constantly remind myself of this when I get too entrenched or emotionally attached.)

I agree with everything you said. I've been wondering if Bernie would consider an independent run if he doesn't win the Dem nomination. We might finally be at a point in this country where a 3rd party could be a contender. What would really be interesting is if Trump gets edged out of the GOP and runs 3rd party and Bernie also runs 3rd party. With four choices, that could really shake things up. One thing is for sure. The Dem party is as corrupt as the GOP and our current 2-party system needs to be broken up.

[yodermon]

110. If Bloomberg gets in the race then it could be 4-way(trump/clinton/sanders/bloomberg)

hell why not, this election is clearly fucked up anyway

[Jarqui]

16. I appreciate your thoughts plus5mace

I seem to be fact checking dishonesty from the Clinton campaign daily.

It was bad enough for John Lewis to knee cap Bernie on his civil rights efforts to help sway the black vote. To then have Castro, Gutierrez and Huerta all blatantly lying about Bernie's position on immigration blew a fuse in me.

The media isn't doing it's job as well as it might. Or it comes too late. Likely, that's at the beckoning of the one percenters who own it.

To be absolutely forthright, I have felt like packing it in. If there is not a lofty place for a person like Bernie in politics, then there is no place for me. I need some integrity and decency.

I've never seen the DNC this corrupt.

The political money has reached insane levels. Can you imagine leaving the White House, putting your hand out and getting $4 billion. That's what Bill and Hillary have done. Meanwhile, largely corporate America is spending $5 billion on lobbyists and PACs.

Expecting Hillary to fix it is like putting a fox in the hen house.

I think the stakes are higher than folks realize. If Bernie doesn't pull this off, big corporate is going to batten down the hatches to see no one gets as close as Bernie did in the future.

I don't know what I'm going to do longer term. If Clinton, Trump, Rubio or Cruz are in the White House and congress largely returns as is, I guess all I can do is try to ignore them.

[AZ Progressive]

71. I think its worse, I think we are facing full totalitarianism after this election cycle

If an establishment candidate wins. The establishment is scared about further uprising and will fight it just like every authoritarian regime.

[Jarqui]

82. I hope not but I agree that they will try to do something.

I'm not sure that's it.

I've never had the feelings I've had about the media that I do this year. I really feel like someone's pulling the strings. Can't prove it. I just have a creepy feeling about it.

They've consolidated about 90% of the media ownership down to six companies.

If it were not for the internet, Bernie's campaign would be dead.

I think they'll go for better control of the internet soon.

If they get a GOP president in, which I think is very likely if Hillary wins the nomination, then they'll go to town on us with more control, lulling us with their control of the media, into accepting the crumbs they provide.

[NorthCarolina]

17. Try spending some time on Twitter.

Follow hashtags of interest and tweet and chat away. You may enjoy the change of pace. I enjoy it there. I get messages from all over the world with folks pulling for Americans to #FeelTheBern.

[Cassiopeia]

19. Tim Canova

is a fighting for the same things Bernie is and trying to primary DWS. Might want to take a look at him as well.

[silvershadow]

20. I am holding off a little longer. But win or lose, I am a Bernie Democrat. And will remain so. nt

[sarge43]

21. Wish you wouldn't leave, but understand where you're coming from

When a former Democratic president calls members of his party teabaggers, it can be a tipping point.

[Rhiannon12866]

22. It's not always this way on DU, I promise you

I found DU in January of 2003 as a safe haven from the horrible 2000 election and have occasionally taken a break, but DU is home to me. I thought that the 2004 primaries were the worst it could get, but I was obviously wrong. DU is not ordinarily this divided and if you stick around, you'll find that out. Take a break and come back when you're ready. We need loyal and informed Democrats like you...

[PatrynXX]

29. found in 2008

if I did leave it would be a break. have too many issues with depression that this site isn't helping with. people attacking each other and getting away with it etc

[Rhiannon12866]

35. It really will get better, but I certainly feel your angst

There was such vitriol back in 2004 that I was shocked, but this time around is many times worse. I often read Ask the Administrators and Skinner has plans in place so that this kind of hate mongering won't happen again, but it's obviously too late for this insane primary season. Just hang in there and use ignore and trash threads if you have to. That's exactly what they're for and many here are using them for the first time ever. I promise it will get better, it always does, just know that a great many of us share your frustration and sadness...

[Smarmie Doofus]

56. Put them on IGNORE.

I used to wonder why DU offered this feature. Never made sense to me. I ignore whomever i want to ignore more or less automatically and don't need a setting. ( I think I developed that ... I guess it's a thick skin.... growing up in an oversized family of quarrelsome, ever-combative Irish catholics.)

But I realize not everyone is so "blessed". So, put the fuckers on "ignore".

We can still do that.... can't we?

[MissDeeds]

59. I agree so much with what you said

I usually start my day with a couple cups of coffee while reading DU. Lately it seems that within half an hour, this nasty feeling of depression starts to creep in. Between the deceit and corruption that is apparently sanctioned by one campaign, the rudeness and rancor of some DUers is emotionally draining.

I really need to wean myself off DU.

[beemer27]

24. You are not leaving the party.

The party has left you. It has also left a lot of people who at one time believed in what the old democratic party stood for.

[NEOhiodemocrat]

57. my feeling exactly

As a cradle Democrat who has voted Democratic for 44 years I am saddened by the realization that the party I was a part of is no longer. I have decided after this election I will become an independent. I would never have foreseen this occurring! As it is I have stopped all donations to the establishment Democratic party and only donate now to Bernie and Ted Strickland. They sound so shocked when they call and I inform them I will direct my donations directly to those candidates who I feel are truly advancing Democratic ideals. I am sickened by their defense of the super delegates "deserving more of a voice" in the process and attempts to smack down the grassroots efforts of a portion of the party. And no more falling into line and voting for the "lesser of two evils" I am not going to betray my ideals for the party ever again. If they want my vote they will have to work for it. Finally at 65 years this woman has declared her independence. If it were not for voting in the primary for Bernie I would be out of the party already.

[LiberalElite]

99. +1,000

I'm a 65 yr old woman too - I was a Democrat - because of the Clintons and DLC (although I didn't realize it at time) I became a Green - then got disillusioned with them. Only inertia kept me in with them. Last year I re-registered as a Democrat to vote for Bernie. Whether I remain a registered Democrat is questionable. We didn't leave the Party, the Party left us.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

26. Sorry to see you go

[PatrynXX]

27. getting close for me

amount of hate on this board isn't exactly helpful , gone of the days of having Keith Olbermann to put some smiles on our faces

[taught_me_patience]

52. the board is 90% Sanders supporters

where do you think the hate is coming from?

[JonLeibowitz]

68. The other 10% mostly. n/t

[freebrew]

83. ^^^this! ^^^

[Helen Borg]

28. God willing?

Righto...

[zeemike]

33. Don't give up before the revolution is over.

And it won't be over until Hillary is the nominee.
At which point I may as well join you because in good faith I could not support her and would feel wrong posting here.

But should that happen in November of this year, DU could well return to being Underground with a GOP president.

[democrank]

34. Sorry to see you go, plus5mace.

I`m actually contemplating the same and certainly understand how you feel.

My best to you.

~PEACE~

[BillZBubb]

36. You'd think having "underground" in it's name would indicate defiance against the status quo

Or fighting the establishment. Or pushing for reform. Instead it is a hotbed of support the for most compromised, corporatist, anti-progressive candidate in decades.

The progressive candidate gets smeared with lies and innuendo. But, the candidate relying on racial politics and sexism gets away with it.

I certainly understand your decision.

[LovingA2andMI]

53. There is a real underground place....

Fighting the Status quo --- which will be back on Tuesday at 9pm ET.

[cui bono]

61. Link doesn't work. figured out it is missing the 'd' from 'radio' but still 404. n/t

[JackHughes]

39. As Bernie Sanders said...

As Bernie Sanders said, Hillary Clinton on her worst day will be 100 times better than any Republican president. The same goes for Sanders.

Any non-vote for the Democratic candidate -- whoever that winds-up being -- is a de-facto vote for the Republicans. Demands for political perfection is a luxury progressives can't afford yet. In November, party unity will be a much higher priority.

[ileus]

81. Speaking of whining...

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Right out of the gate and calling people names. MIRT might be interested in this one.

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[LiberalElite]

49. Theres's all this pressure put on US to vote for the nominee regardless -

what about Clintons supporters - Will THEY vote for Sanders? Anyone asked them that and got an answer? I have and got crickets.

[dana_b]

58. Thank you

why is it always us that has to vote for a corporate, war hawk? When will they wake up and get busy electing someone who is truly in it for US?!

[LiberalElite]

63. They're nothing if not presumptuous -

I might well ask them some time- how about YOU try voting for a candidate not of your choosing and see how YOU like it?

[LovingA2andMI]

54. Don't Blame The Voter...

Blame the DNC for Propping Up A Candidate That Cannot in The General Election. It's not Whining - It's The Reality and Voters in 2016 will not bend.

Continue to support your candidate. She'll need it in the General Election.

[Lorien]

96. It's the responsibility of the DNC to back a left of center candidate who will represent

left of center voters. It is not the responsibility of the voters to bend to the whims of the DNC. "Representative Democracy" doesn't only apply billionaires and corporations.

[Geronimoe]

40. The Bankers thank you

We are about 1% into the primaries. It is tie. Bernie has the mo. And some people are giving up.

[cui bono]

62. The OP said they are "not ending the fight".

Last edited Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:13 PM - Edit history (1)

They are just sick of DU. Understandably.

.

[dana_b]

43. Good luck to you and thanks

for supporting our candidate. I understand completely!!

[LiberalElite]

47. I completely get it -

I may well join you. But, did you know there is another DU group here - Populist Reform of the Democratic Party.

Its Statement of Purpose is: "To discuss and debate issues, candidates, and strategies related to the promotion of progressive, populist reforms within the Democratic Party."

There's also Jackpineradicals.org. That's for Bernie supporters ONLY.

[zwyziec]

48. good riddance!

[MissDeeds]

111. What a rude and mean spirited thing to say

[Smarmie Doofus]

50. We are the clear majority here ( i.e. on DU)....

.... and need to keep working to persuade the majority of the primary electorate who aren't able to follow the issues and analyze the obstacles in as much detail as we do.

So far , we've outpolled the nat'l party machine in the first three contests when considered in aggregate. You need not be on DU to stay in that... so far successful.... effort. You can work on other fronts.

Still.... you might consider hanging around. ( Among other things , how else are you going to know what the dinosaurs are up to?) DU is a good place to cross-fertilize w. people who are more or less on the same page politically.

Put the race-baiters and and smear merchants on ignore if they bother you. ( Personally I find the psychopathology rampant in those circles more fascinating than disturbing ....one of my guilty pleasures..... so I will never do any such thing.)


>>>>This is a site for Democrats, and I want nothing to do with an unreformed Democratic Party.>>>

There are Democrats, and then there are "Democrats". I was an active, avid Democrat before Deborah Wasserman was born ( I think; How old is she?) And FWIW... I haven't sent $$$ or worked for a state or nat'l party entity since around 2003. ( Maybe earlier. Clinton parachuted in here... NYS... in 2000 to claim the open Senate seat. I think that campaign clinched it.)

But I support... as you do.... outstanding, deserving DEMs w. $$$ and time where I can.

Do what you need to to do. But there are multiple ways to skin a cat. So I hope you will stay with us.

[TheFarseer]

55. I feel about the same way.

I can't see myself posting too much this summer/fall. Posting about how Clinton is so much better than Trump will not be easy when one of those candidates knows we need to stop jobs going overseas and to H1B visa holders and one is all for jobs being outsourced. A democratic party that does not support labor- what is the point?

[LibDemAlways]

60. You are not alone. A Hillary nomination will be the last straw

for many progressives who have waited too long for the party to do more than give lip service to the 99%. People have wised up to the stale crumbs the establishment has thrown for too long and are demanding real, authentic change. If it doesn't happen this election cycle, it will eventually as TPTB continue to screw us over at every turn and more and more people decide they've had enough.

[INdemo]

69. Doubt if it happens in my life time (Baby Boomer era)

I this is our last chance at saving our Democracy because the Corporate Take will continue and will be our demise.
the TPP (more jobs lost) will be a huge blow to our Society.

[mommymarine2003]

66. So disappointed and saddened to see how divided DU members have become

It has been painful to see so many people on this site become so divided, and to me, full of hate. I like both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. I want a Democrat in the White House next year. The Republican candidates are terrifying to me. Do we want our country to go backwards again? The Republicans constantly knock Hillary. So many Democrats are doing the same. When we hear something over and over again, we start to believe it.

I am one of those members who reads this site everyday, although, I rarely comment. However, this site helped me feel like I belonged to a group who felt the same way I did about the direction of our country. Who gets elected this year does matter. Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders are a 1000 times better than any Republican, especially Trump or Cruz. To not vote out of anger if Bernie does not get the nod on the Democratic ticket does matter. Maybe if some of you had to endure years with a son who came back disabled from the unnecessary war, you would realize elections really do matter. I am not angry at Hillary for voting for the war. Bush/Cheney/Powell lied to us. My late father, a career Marine and veteran of 3 wars, was against the Iraq War, but he said that Gen. Powell would never do anything to hurt the troops. We all know know now that we were all fed a bunch of lies, but I don't condemn Hillary or Kerry or the others who had to make that decision. I honestly believe that they thought they were doing the right thing back then based on Gen. Powell.

I voted for President Obama twice, but I would have voted for Hillary Clinton if she had been the nominee. Hillary may not be the perfect candidate in some ways, but to become so angry that you would be willing to turn our country back to the likes of these racist, hateful, self-righteous hypocrites is unfathomable to me.

[Lorien]

97. Many of us are fighting for our lives, the rest are fighting to maintain the status quo

If you're perfectly comfortable and don't have friends and relatives who are holding on by their fingernails, then you wouldn't understand. Plus there's this: http://www.forbes.com/sites/drewhansen/2016/02/09/unless-it-changes-capitalism-will-starve-humanity-by-2050/#209277704a36

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

70. I will vote for the Democratic Nominee no mater who it is.

I will keep sending Burnie donations.

But come the general election any D is better than any R.

[Duval]

72. I respect and well understand your choice.

But, you will be missed plus5mace.

[FreakinDJ]

75. Jury Service Results

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Can we please stop with this Democrat bashing? This person has been here six months with only 140 posts. Can anyone say troll? Hide this tripe.

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[tularetom]

76. What, don't you know the Democrat 11th Commandment?

"Thou shalt not speak ill of another Democrat"

Wait, I can't put my finger on it but I think I may have gotten that wrong.

What could it have been......

[farleftlib]

79. Take care of yourself

Keep up your spirits and support Bernie when you can. We can do this.

[abelenkpe]

80. CA here

Our primary is in June. Not sure why I should bother at all. Glad you want to keep fighting. I'm more of a mind to just say screw it and not vote. But I get how you could feel like the party no longer represents you. Good luck!

[DeGreg]

84. True colors....

I agree with you about the democratic party. That's why it's ironic that I just registered as a Dem for the first time in 39 years, so that I can help Bernie try to get the nomination. In fact, I have never voted for a president, because I believed there was no real difference between the GOP and Dems––the establishment––just the illusion of choice. And, now that this election is proving this to be true, I have only decided to vote because Bernie Sanders (perhaps Trump too?) represents a true choice against the establishment (or put another way... a choice AGAINST KEEPING EVERYTHING THE WAY IT IS.)

What I find unbelievable (and yet again this goes with the idea that there is no real difference between GOP and Dem) is that there are people who can still call themselves democrats who support Hillary Clinton. I will not throw in with people who believe what Hillary Clinton stands for is what this country needs, deserves or represents. I will not throw in with people who believe there is virtue in the conscienceless pursuit of personal gain or profit, people who believe in gaming the world for their personal satisfaction when it includes the unethical, the legal and the illegal, taking advantage of people because "it's just business," or what have you. I will not throw in with people who say "that's the way the game is played," who say "the end justifies the means," people who vote the lesser of two evils, people who only want to vote for people who can win (electability ! call it what you want, that aint voting!) etc., I will not give my vote to a candidate who embodies moral hazard.

So, bernie has coaxed me back to the process, and he has temporarily talked me out of my "Thoreau Justification" for not exercising my right to vote. I can't decide whether I want to be proved wrong or not.

If the democratic party still wants to earn the badge as the political party with a conscience, there is no way Hillary Clinton deserves the nomination. And, if you believe she has American citizens' best interests at heart (as opposed to whose? You might ask.), then wow, just wow. Ask, do you trust her? Ask, would she say just about anything to be president? We have already seen what happens when you elect a wolf in sheep's clothing––don't fall for it twice.

[Stainless]

85. The Democratic Party has left me

I shall gladly vote for Bernie or hold my nose and vote for Hillary simply because I dislike everything about the Republican party and the people who represent it. That said, I also think that the Democratic machine (DNC) is arrogant and corrupt and needs to be tossed on the trash heap of Corporatism. Progressive, Liberal and Socialist Democrats really need to take control of the party during this election cycle. I refuse to contribute to the party until they straighten out their act. I will contribute to worthy individual Democratic candidates.

[Arazi]

93. Try Jackpineradicals.com

they have the conversation, depth and vibe without the drama here

For the folks there it's about the issues. Period

[Lorien]

94. I'm getting there

I've been a Democrat since birth. The first campaign I worked on was Carters, when I was still just a child, but I help my mother to paint campaign signs and distribute fliers. I've worked for every campaign since, and met most of the candidates. But the party has driven itself so far to the right since the Clintons were in office that I no longer recognize it. It stands for little more than maintaining power, collecting huge contributions for the wealthy, and occasionally tossing LBGT people and women a bone. Their constant refrain seems to be "Vote for us OR ELSE...!" or else the repugs win, but even when they don't win we continue to push further to the right. It's like America has forgotten that what some now call "idealism" was what most knew as mainstream Democratic values and positions on the issues back in the late 60s, 70s and early 80s. Even the GOP was further left in the 1950s than most "Democrats" are today. I am not a right wing authoritarian, so I no longer identify with the the corrupt right wing institution that the DLC hijackers have turned my once beloved party into. If Bernie doesn't make it, I'll put all of my effort into building a new party-the Greens or whatever it will be called- to allow left of center voters to have representation again. Our lives are at stake, the planet is in considerable danger, and enough is enough!

[blackspade]

105. Take care and safe travels.

[lark]

109. Hope you can live with a totally RW lead country then.

While I love Bernie, I am not that optimistic about his chances of being the general election nominee. If you and other progressive Dems don't vote for Hillary, you are in effect voting for Rubio, Trump, Cruz or whoever. YOU and they will have sold our nation down the drain in search of the perfect or near perfect. I guarantee you that Bernie will support and vote for Hillary if he's not the candidate. Why wouldn't you? I get HRC is too inclined to go along with the war machine and too corporatist, but compared to the Repugs, she's a total dove and populist. Repugs get you the end of minimum wage, end of ACA, end of women being able to control their lives, end of the middle class, RW SCOTUS. Also, outsourcing will leap forward and businesses and the rich will pay even less in taxes and the poor will pay more.

I can't live with that world, so I will do whatever I can to make it not happen, including voting for HRC in the general, if it comes to that. Bernie's definitely getting my vote in the primary as he's by far the best option. However, we don't often get to vote for the best. Hope this time is different.

[LiberalElite]

112. No. you will be

responsible for a right wing pres because Sanders beats them, not Clinton.

[lark]

115. Fail - again

I said and have always said I'm voting for Bernie in the primary and in the general if he wins. Again you are making false accusations.