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There is no point in debating with these people on here that support Hillary, so let's knock it off. They offer nothing to the dialogue but foolishness and brow beating. They clearly don't care about the issues or the toxic gutter politics employed by their candidate. They couldn't care less about progressive policies or bringing us all together.
We should all know by now who the top culprits of trash talking uselessness are on the HRC side here, so rather than engage them, don't give them the time of day. If you can't do that, just put them on full ignore. They offer nothing to the discourse ever and responding to them only encourages them. They treat us like the enemy and they are willing to burn whatever bridge may have existed so let's please stop engaging them.
They make up about 20% of the members on this site while we make up nearly all of the rest and that's no mistake. Bernie's message resonates with people who are fed up with the bullshit that we've had to endure as progressive minded liberals. Let's take some comfort in knowing that we're in this thing together and there are so many millions of other people feeling the same way we're all feeling and we're doing something about it.
My girlfriend and I door knocked through some of the poorest neighborhoods in Lynn, MA. This is who we represent; the weak links. This is what we're fighting for; economic equality and equal representation. I'm not even sure what the other people in the HRC camp want and I don't really care. All I know is that we're the majority, so let's keep our chins up and keep pushing onward. I know I'm kind of meandering here, but this was an emotional weekend for me but I still feel good and I'm proud of all of the Bernie supporters here on DU for fighting the good fight. Check in as a sign of solidarity so I don't feel like I was writing this for no reason 
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jillan
(39,451 posts)Thank you & your GF for being so involved! Keep us posted.
snot
(11,804 posts)your enemy can defeat you simply by causing you to waste your time.
jillan
(39,451 posts)
Hillary supporters do NOT "debate".
Mbrow
(1,090 posts)keep fighting the good fight. 
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)about the other smaller contingent....lots of sound and fury signifying nothing.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts) Ned_Devine
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eomer
(3,845 posts)It is worthwhile, even necessary, to refute lies and dispute points made because of the effect on other readers.
dreamnightwind
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BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)If you get caught up with "winning" the argument, you'll just mess up yourself.
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(28,627 posts)jonjon
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Yuugal
(2,281 posts)How are they going to reach us if Bernie should lose when they will all be on ignore? I can't be convinced to vote for shafta lady but maybe someone could be? Not very smart of them.
Since I'm in this to get my guy elected I have no time or concern with people on this site who won't vote for him so I ignore every Hillbot I see. No one is going to change any minds on DU. We should be talking strategy amongst ourselves, not listening to the rofl smiley crew who never talk politics but only denigrate and spread fud, so I'm with you there.
Fellow Bernie people, please invest in a few hundred clicks and I promise you this site will instantly become a Sanders friendly place for organizing. You don't have to do it all at once but when you see the same clown posting the same dribble over and over but yet they won't respond to any actual points you make.......... Don't just ignore them, ignore every Hillbot in the thread. It only took me a few threads and the place looked much friendlier instantly.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)When we can't stop calling them nasty names? Please stop with the Hillbot.
I think we are smart enough to discuss things here without devolving to that level of discourse.
Yuugal
(2,281 posts)Robot is pretty cool in some of the places I hang out. I am a mad robot and very edgy. I actually like Obamabot and Berniebot. If Hillbot is out, then I guess straight off HillShill, Shillary, and Killary are a no go. Do I still get "Our Lady of Inevitability"?
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Programmed to perform as required.
I don't want to be called a bernie bot. YMMV
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)that behavior is to keep to the high road. If you really want to piss off those that use name-calling as an attempt of intimidation, embrace or ignore it. They hate that. I am a proud Sandernista or Bernie-bot. I do agree that it's childish to call them names as well, and yes I've done it (not proud of that).
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)but I've seen the steady build up of animosity here and the name-calling is causing some of it.
We really don't need to do that. I try not to do it (and am mostly successful), but I do understand the urge. It's an emotional release, but in the end, it just makes everyone feel worse, including the perpetrator.
Thanks for trying to do your part to keep it above the mud hole. 
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)Many read the discourse here searching for insight. You can ignore who you like but If Hillary wins nomination I will support because of the SC and I don't want a republican to win by default. Refute the lies and change opinions when you can but don't shield your self behind a wall.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)For one thing, it's not necessary to get the point across, and for another it further alienates the very people whose minds you would like to change.
Name calling adds nothing to the conversation. The acrimony here is already bad enough. We are not helping the Dem party or the country by calling each other names here.
There should be no need to ignore anyone, nor censor the message. Inflammatory language and name calling is not required to get your point across.
I am not trying to turn this place into a day care center (although some days I have my concerns it may be one)...I use profanity and I have no problem with that, as long as it's not aimed at another DU member. Read the TOS.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Old Codger
(4,205 posts)With most of them anymore anyway they are all on my ignore list..
Arazi
(8,887 posts)let those threads die a natural death
Or let them be filled with a congratulatory circle jerk (boring and also leading to a natural death)
Great OP!
PWPippin
(213 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)DU looks fine to me! I still get the occasional person I'm willing to respond to.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)They all come out of the woodwork at some point with some insult, and expose themselves to the calm of my ignore list.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)and added one yesterday who claims to be a Bernie supporter, but likely isn't. The only problem with "ignore" is that you can't see the take down some posters get when they post something absurd.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)It helps me be better prepared when I'm in public working to bring others to the cause we are fighting for.
The worst of the worst can be found here. It should be considered valuable preparation. Some I will not engage with, but many teach me the latest talking point so I am fully prepared to call it out for the bullshit it is in real life where it tends to get to a little later than here.
tommcc99
(48 posts)I caucused in Las Vegas Saturday.
Observed the complete disorganization that was the caucus first hand and then watched as the race was called even before the votes were counted. Very disheartening after the months of hard work put in by the local Bernie supporters who have been hosting meetings and debate parties and knocking on doors AND seeing the enthusiasm of the kids (Im 63) coming in from Iowa and California before to call and knock doors.... Pretty sure it would have been closer but we'll never know.
So words of encouragement are needed and appreciated because it last night and today were pretty crappy. Retail politics is messy, and it is up to us to make sure that counts are correct and misbehavior is filmed and called out. If something doesnt seem right film it. Post it and let some else figure it out. But if it doesn't get recorded.....
OP I agree 100% with your post. Don't get caught up in the drama (Bernie doesnt), stay on point and keep pushing. We WILL have our democracy and government back.
Peace
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)Good Efforts tommcc99. Really good to hear sage advice from someone as active as you are!
tommcc99
(48 posts)to make this work
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)those op's that are clearly just designed to get a reaction.
Paulie
(8,464 posts)Bernie has made great progress but the work is not done. Playing in the dem rules, especially when so stacked, was a risk he accepted. It's up to us to deliver now.
If you're spending X on DU, there should be Z for Bernie. Y? Every vote counts.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)
redwitch
(15,261 posts)I now have a rather impressive ignore list. I missed a lot of this weekend and I think that is a good thing. Hang in!
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)quite a few of them on ignore, but took them all off about 2 weeks ago. I got so pissed at the tactics coming from that campaign I figured to hell with it. Let them turn me AGAINST Hillary. Let them burn the bridge. Let them call me a racist, sexist, bigot. It will harden my heart and if Hillary wins the nomination, I won't feel a damn bit sorry for them when she loses the GE.
If Hillary wins the nomination I'll then put them back on ignore. I don't want to hear their "we're on the same team now" and walk backs of all the horrifying tactics "just to win".
I'm sorry, but they've stated time and time again I'm not the kind of person they want to associate with, so to hell with that.
If I'm not good enough for them now, I'm sure as hell not good enough for them when they need me.
There is only one candidate who has earned my vote, and that is Bernie.
Marty McGraw
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Petrushka
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Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Please break up your post into paragraphs... or just add breaks. It's a smidge difficult to read as a solid brick of text.
Other than that, well stated.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)They want Hillary. That's the end of their thought process. Otherwise they have to engage the truth, so they continue to drink the cyanide Kool-aid.
840high
(17,196 posts)want Hillary. Some of them probably don't even know what she stands for.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)unfortunately seems to have them trapped, holding that goal above, and even exclusive to, any other priority or need of the American citizen. 
LiberalLovinLug
(14,689 posts)That could be seen as some kind of double reverse three level chess sexism!
I mean sure she's voted for an illegal unnecessary war, and as recently as last year criticized Obama for not invading Syria, and has made most of her fortune reassuring the fortune 500 not to worry about anything....
...in 50 years time, when they are sitting with their grandchildren (the ones that survived WW3 and the self-immolation collapse of the banking system) they can proudly crow about how they helped elect the very first woman President!!!!!
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)
TexasBushwhacker
(21,204 posts)If a uterus doesn't get you a free pass for the GOP, why should it for the Dems? Put that in your pipe and smoke it Madeline Albright.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts) lmbradford
(517 posts)Here
mountain grammy
(29,035 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Thanks Ned!
I spent the weekend looking at DU on my phone, but I wasn't signed in (because I've been on here for so long that I don't remember my password to sign in anywhere other than my home computer) and all I could see were these ridiculous posts from the HRC camp goading people into fights and just being as childish and nasty as possible. It made me so upset that I felt I needed to post this as a way of saying that WE'RE ok. All of the things we're thinking and feeling are perfectly fine, sane and rational. We just need to stick together, phone bank, canvass, volunteer, march and GOTV. Big. Fucking. Time!
FailureToCommunicate
(14,605 posts)
ellennelle
(614 posts)what you said, bro!
and we're neighbors!! i'm up here on cape ann, phone banking and canvassing before super chewsday!
but i'll be calling from home to SC this week, as well.
meanwhile, tho, your reflections about the vitriol here are spot on, sadly. and i remember it from 8 yrs ago.
what is it with these folks, i do not know? it's like the issues be damned, we wanna win.
what could sound more republican than that?
The Traveler
(5,632 posts)I'm with ya
Trav
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)McKim
(2,426 posts)Amen. We should just get busy helping the campaign. They are not on our side and they want to attack us and discourage us.
A Uruguayan friend of mine said: "When you do political work, don't just protest and argue, make sure you are building something,
like an organization or a movement. Otherwise when your issue or your candidate looses you are left with nothing. Build. Hit the streets for Bernie, get on the phone and work it. I am done talking.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)We have not yet begun to fight.
And it's a good suggestion to turn off the naysayers and put our energies toward winning!!
Arazi
(8,887 posts)
cer7711
(612 posts)As to why I am NOT a big fan of the Clintons (having learned my lesson the hard way after tirelessly defending Bill Clinton to right-wing blowhards in the 90s):
................
NAFTA
"Don't ask; don't tell"
reforming "welfare as we know it"
the "triangulation" of ever-rightward-moving policy as a means to forge political consensus
the deregulation of Wall Street
a vote in favor of invading Iraq
pursuing trade policies that drove up drug prices around the world
the implementation of draconian sentencing laws that gave us one of the highest incarceration rates in the world
HRC claiming she came under "sniper fire" after landing in Bosnia (Film exists of smiling children handing HRC flowers.)
HRC "golden handcuffs"--paid for by the American people & Goldman Sachs
suspicious last-minute election year reversals of long-standing support for TPP & the Keystone XL pipeline
luke-warm defense of unions
luke-warm efforts to raise the minimum (WORKING CLASS!) wage
Alert away, itchy pro-HRC fingers. I'll hold my nose and vote for HRC if she wins the nomination but you know what? It will be with exactly zero enthusiasm--and the understanding that hawkish, pro-war HRC will fix NOTHING in Washington or Wall Street.
......................
Time for the Clintons to exit politics, methinks. Experience only counts if you LEARN from it. And HRC, it seems, has learned all the wrong, cynical, word-parsing lessons from her husband and the 1%-ers that own her . . .
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SEE ALSO:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-clinton-is-sorry_us_55a83397e4b0896514d0e220
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AND:
In dealing with Wall Street, Clinton faced the same challenge as any lawmaker representing New York, where the financial industry includes not only constituents but campaign donors. Wall Street executives were the largest donors to both her 2006 Senate re-election bid and her 2008 presidential race; employees of just eight banking firms gave $2.67 million to those campaigns, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, a non-profit research group.
Clinton in 2007 publicly decried a tax break for hedge-fund and private-equity executives — and continues to do so in her current campaign. But she didn’t sign on as a supporter of a Senate bill that would have curbed the break.
As a senator, Clinton also had a brush with the shadow-banking world that she now describes as a continuing threat to the financial system. When AIG, the giant insurance company and poster child for lightly regulated finance, began to implode in September 2008, Clinton reached out to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, who was involved in talks to rescue the firm with government funds. Her little-noticed overture came on behalf of some wealthy investors who stood to lose millions and had hired two longtime associates of the Clintons to represent them.
Brian Fallon, a spokesman for the Clinton campaign, declined to comment for this story.
https://www.propublica.org/article/hillary-clinton-mixed-record-on-wall-street-tough-cut-it-out-talk
macandsandy
(17 posts)Thank you -
Exactly how I feel
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)I stopped engaging them months ago. They never talk issues. All they do is post polls or Bernie bashing threads, so why bother?
I have no idea why anyone supports that woman and at this point, they should know better. They obviously don't care about the direction this country is headed, and want to live in an Oligarchy ruled by a warmongering authoritarian. Since that's the case, I want nothing to do with any of them. They're as nasty as she is and in real life, I'd never have anything to do with any of them.
If Clinton wins the nomination, hello president Trump...and THEY DESERVE HIM!
I'm hanging in here until better days come along.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)I've been trying to find a way to write those exact words
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)I just needed to add my 2 cents since I dislike them - more than I can say on DU.
GREAT OP!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)I can't say that in my life I've disliked people more than many of these folks.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)
Punkingal
(9,522 posts) Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Deadshot
(384 posts)Bernie stands for everything the Democratic Party used to stand for, especially during the presidency of FDR.
I will be caucusing for Bernie on March 1st here in Minnesota and I look forward to it.
turbinetree
(27,551 posts)I just got into a debate today, and told someone how repulsive his or her comments were----------------------- at least now I know, and what I saw was repulsive..............
I was going to do a phone bank this weekend but I am going to be out of town, and will find out when I can do it
Again, Thank you for this thread.....................
“Time is the most valuable coin in your life. You and you alone will determine how that coin will be spent. Be careful that you do not let other people spend it for you.”
Carl Sandburg
Feel the Bern
Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)A lot of what you said is how I feel about the continual grousing going on now in the GD: P forum.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)The supporters of "that woman" or "Kissinger's friend" are not ready to understand the truth about what has happened to America.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Hey friends,
While I am supporting Hillary for our party nomination, I feel obliged to reach out in light of this post. While our party might have our differences right now, I want you all to know that I respect you. If you took this post and swapped it to where it would be directed at Senator Sanders, a lot of Hillary's supporters would feel the same.
If Sanders is the nominee, I will support him. If Hillary is the nominee, I will support her. DU has a lot of wonderful people, we should all rise above the rhetoric as of late.
HeartoftheMidwest
(309 posts)And I greatly respect your civility. But you have to understand that this isn't about any one person. The reason there is so much vitriol and that the divide is so great is that people are in PAIN. There are tremendous numbers of people in this country, at all levels, who are literally drowning in our economically and politically dysfunctional society. We are LONG overdue for change toward rebalancing our society, and improving it. The sad fact is that many politicians of BOTH major parties want nothing more than to preserve the status quo...because they benefit from it directly. Hillary Clinton is one of those people.
Everyday I interact with people who are in despair over the future. Bernie Sanders wants to change that. The mindblowing fact is that most of the people at the top of the socio-political order will still remain on top in a Sanders America...it's just that life will begin to be better for everyone else too.
So it isn't so much about any one personality...it's about policies and the direction of this country.
I say, respectfully.
Beartracks
(14,591 posts)
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Ernest T
(7 posts)Duppers
(28,469 posts)of them already on ignore. Why waste my time, I thought, weeks ago.
Solidarity with Bernie supporters.
Thanks for canvassing for him!
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Duppers
(28,469 posts)
Bangbangdem
(140 posts)Is that 20% figure of your own reckoning? I see pro Hillary spots on greatest threads fall off very quickly. I also see that pro Bernie posts meet with little to none of the opposition chiming in with comments. Really makes me feel like they are in the minority. Just curious.....
PatrickforO
(15,426 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)for your door knocking and activism.
Solidarity (from WI, where we progressives REALLY have to stick together).
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)
Green Texan
(31 posts)You definitely did not write this for no reason. It was good that you brought this up.
840high
(17,196 posts)
Contrary1
(12,629 posts) Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)of Saturday night. I'm still donating and volunteering. And putting people on ignore. And putting on blinders against the MSM.
TBF
(36,669 posts)it works for me!
Solidarity
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)"out there" I check where the poster is most often - if it's Her group, I leave it and put them on ignore.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)There's a 3 letter member there that kicks anyone off the group at the mere mention of (bernie)...
You have to wonder, why they're so rabid.
I mean, at least Bernie has principles...
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)3 letter person banned me in an instant, the one time I posted there. BAM! ZOOM!! OUTTATHERE!!! (Not that I exactly wanted to stay.)
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I will call them out on their lies every time I see them. Though it will not stop some of them from believing the lies, some of them may come over.
polly7
(20,582 posts)their own lives are perfectly acceptable. Clinton offers no hope, vision for change, nothing - just more war, suffering, those already at the bottom staying there while the rich get fatter, happier and expand their influence all over the world.
They don't care.
Uncle Joe
(65,134 posts)Thanks for sharing, Ned_Devine.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)and it's largely the same crew that served as hatchetpeople for BHO prior to the 2012 election that sought to silence any and all concerns and criticisms of him at the time.
it's almost a replay
Rider3
(919 posts)I am with you.
dchill
(42,660 posts)
thereismore
(13,326 posts)davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Only through debate and dialogue are we going to change minds and hearts here. Our candidates - and our support of them, should be challenged frequently - and we need to stand up to these challenges. In 2008, I went to my State's (Maine's) democratic convention as a delegate for Obama. Both of my parents also went, as Clinton delegates (it's hard to convince people up here, with the crappy economy, to make that long drive... but we were able and willing) and we had some pretty lively debates about it.
I was 24 at the time, it was August, the weather was hot (even in Maine!) and the convention was a near disaster. Hundreds of people stuffed into a tiny building, the computer systems went down, it took hours to get things in motion. During this time I was told by several Clinton supporters that I didn't know a damn thing, due to my youth. I was told that none of us youngsters knew enough to decide who to vote for, that we were screwing things up for the first woman President.
I engaged several of them in debate - they went away still supporting Clinton, but perhaps having a little bit more respect for young voters, because I had the facts at my disposal, I knew who Obama was and what he represented. I had done my homework.
The foundation upon which our faith lies should not be Sanders himself - but our own ideals, our own principles, what we believe should be done, what we want for ourselves, our children, our Country, our future. We are the 99% - and I'm happy to have Sanders as a strong representative of that, but it is all of us working together that is going to make things happen - and we will need the assistance of Clinton democrats, of as many people as we can get, to make what we want a reality.
So we should speak the truth, at every opportunity. Challenge lies and smears and inaccurate information. We should point out dirty and corrupt politics - and be ready to examine our own candidate for the same. I don't expect that we'll convince everyone, but if we can convince anyone, we will have done something good and worthwhile. I do not think there are bad people here at DU, I think there are people with strong differences of opinion, who are fiercely motivated and passionate about what they believe in. Just my kind of people.
I won't be adding to my ignore list just because someone supports Clinton. I'll debate them, I'll trade snark and whatever else, but I believe in my candidate - and I'm willing and able to support him against all challengers.
debunction.junction
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You can't talk rationally to irrational people. Over and over they have been asked what it is exactly that they support about Hillary. Are they gainst a living wage? Support private prisons? Support perpetual war? Support the greed of banksters and insurance companies. Progressives my ass!
A line was crossed today when many Hillary supporters commented on a segami post that cheating and fraud was fine with them, even celebrated. Anything goes as long as their team wins. No wonder they are Hillary supporters. They don't give a damn about honesty, fairness, truthfulness.
sammythecat
(3,597 posts)who only contradict in order to aggravate. I'll identify them on occasion, but I don't waste time engaging with them.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)Millions of us are with you.
Faux pas
(16,356 posts)
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)I completely agree with you...
democrank
(12,598 posts)Thank you, and I`ll do my best to elevate the discussion.
In general, I`m fed up with the way the Third Way corporate wing has treated the left wing of the party and it has been this way for years. The only time they`re interested in what we have to say is just before the general election when they need our vote.
Bernie`s campaign has shown me one important thing....there are way more of us than I ever knew existed and I hope our new solidarity will be the beginning of something very worthwhile and productive.
yuiyoshida
(45,415 posts) 
Unknown Beatle
(2,691 posts)Sometimes it takes everything out of me not to get angry at Clinton supporters and write something I'll later regret.
It's the damndest thing I have witnessed. No amount of facts presented to them matter. I have a republican friend that's nearly done with being conservative. Over time, I have shown him facts about republicans and he's changing a little bit at a time. Ever since I've known him, he's been about the truth, facts, and logic, figures, since he's a math teacher. His parents were both strong conservative republicans, so much so that his father once told me, after Nixon resigned, that "Nixon was a great president regardless." Huh?
Anyway, a conservative republican can change if shown facts. So it surprises me that a Hillary supporter is immune to facts. No amount of truth and facts matter to them, it's Hillary do or die and they defend cheating and lying.
Oh well, c'est la vie.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)And then the false accusations of whatever ism they're making up this week when they were the ones actually committing the offense. Not only that, but trying to start fights with every Bernie supporter on here (likely to get them alerted and kicked off). I hate to say it, but many of their supporters are some of the worst people I've ever come across in my life. We know who they are because they're the repeat offenders every single time. Well, thanks for checking in.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)that gets me going. I just want to shake her sometimes.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)But I agree it's a labour of duty to do so, not a labour of love. Maybe I should employ sarcasm to lighten the burden?
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)And it's still a form of antagonism. I've been here since January 2004 (under a different name but I lost the password for my old name in a move so I've been Ned_Devine since) and I don't ever remember it being like this. Who are some of these posters? Do we really have this many non liberals in the party?
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)and who are willing to work the boards as agents thereof? So, not actually individuals, more like representatives.
Well I'm waiting at the bus stop in downtown L.A.
Well I'm waiting at the bus stop in downtown L.A.
But I'd much rather be on a boardwalk on Broadway
Well I'm sitting here thinkin' just how sharp I am
Well I'm sitting here thinkin' just how sharp I am
I'm an under assistant west coast promo man, yeah, yeah
Well I promo groups when they come into town
Well I promo groups when they come into town
Well they laugh at my toupee, they're sure to put me down
Well I'm sitting here thinking just how sharp I am
Yeah I'm sitting here thinking just how sharp I am
I'm a necessary talent behind every rock and roll band
Yeah, I'm sharp, I'm really, really sharp
I sure do earn my pay, sitting on the beach every day
Yeah, I'm real real sharp, yes I am
I got a Corvette and a seersucker suit, yes I have
Here comes the bus, uh oh
I though I had a dime, where's my dime
I know I have a dime somewhere
I'm pretty sure
http://www.metrolyrics.com/the-under-assistant-west-coast-promotion-man-lyrics-rolling-stones.html
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)But basically I agree with you.
jonestonesusa
(880 posts)and a reminder to ORGANIZE!!
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)It doesn't get done without good organizing on the ground from all of us
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)
Political_Junkie
(1,998 posts)Just kicking.
YourAMIGO
(39 posts)It is difficult to convince people that their future will be better with Bernie.
Bernie is for US common folks and Hillary is for the ESTABLISHMENT and Wall Street.
libodem
(19,288 posts)And always be very proud. Integrity is strong with this one.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)but I'm seldom moved to reply. It's pointless.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Great point, good perspective.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)I noticed myself getting really frustrated and not acting like I should last week. I started just skipping their posts or putting the most egregious ones on ignore (about 15 of them!). My blood pressure is much better this week.
That doesn't mean that I can't converse with some of them. Some are more reasonable, not passive aggressive or just general jerks. We may disagree but can converse. Not MANY but some.
"this was an emotional weekend for me but I still feel good and I'm proud of all of the Bernie supporters here on DU for fighting the good fight" - me too. For me I took his loss a little harder than I thought that I would. But then looking at how much he had gained and what a struggle it was for them, I realized that the momentum is still there.
flor-de-jasmim
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mak3cats
(1,573 posts)...is to scan down the list of posts and trash any thread started by particular individuals; I no longer have any interest in what these individuals have to say because we've usually heard it before, and it's generally garbage. Unfortunately, my list of individuals to trash keeps getting longer.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Sent Bernie $50 this weekend.
So, not for nothing!
Jezza
(30 posts)...oooof. it sure seems there's been an adoption of rigidity... a lot of knee-jerk prejudgments and ostracism of others who wear different political views. No inteligent forum exchanges, conversations of another’s polemics. Just spewwed slogans from the already convinced.
ho hum, i agree with the sentiment of your post ...in other words, like talking to Walls;
(not as bad as that cousin who listens to rush limbag, but not different either.)