Is it just me, or is DU being totally swarmed

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

by gloating Hillary supporters, who are acting like it's all over and we should just shut up and fall in line? Are they intentionally sowing FUD or do they really think they've won and it's time for us to pack up the rainbows and put the unicorns back in the stable?

[fleur-de-lisa]

1. It's not just you.

[Bubzer]

73. Agreed. They're trying to turn a 1 delegate lead into momentum.

It's kind of amusing to watch them pretend a single delegate, favoring her, is actually a couple hundred.

[passiveporcupine]

114. I thought they were tied

51 to 51?

[Bubzer]

123. She managed an extra delegate with the last bits of the count in NV.

[hopemountain]

146. yup. denial is a powerful drug.

the tactic is to not give bernie any mention or acknowledgement other than to disparage him. as if that is going to win her the primaries. this way, cheating at the rest of the primaries and at the polls will all be under the radar.

msm have been ignoring sanders - blatantly so - since the close nevada results on saturday. his coverage by msnbc is indiscernable - but plenty footage of hillary's "victory speech". however, cnn, fox, and local news (except for cbs affiliates) are showing some clips of bernie.

[LiberalElite]

2. All of the above. nt

[cantbeserious]

126. ^^^ This ^^^

eom

[n2doc]

3. Deliberate attempt to demoralize Sanders supporters

To be expected. They know if Sanders remains strong after mid march the political landscape is unfavorable for them. So they are trying for the knockout blow now. Expect to hear how SC is the most important bellwether state evah!

[Matariki]

9. The day's instructions, I do believe.

[LovingA2andMI]

89. Like Sheep...

They Follow The Commands...

[dana_b]

38. Yes

Expect to hear how SC is the most important bellwether state evah!
------------
Oh they have! Then the Georgia stats (where Bernie will lose big) - as if Georgia is the deciding state. lol..

[n2doc]

42. As a resident of Georgia I can tell you we are pretty screwed up

The Democratic party here is very corrupt. Basically everything is run out of Atlanta and the rest of the state gets ignored. The Repubs are nut cases, they just have been a bit more subdued about it (until recently). I will be voting for the FDR Democrat next week but I have no fantasies about him winning here.

[JoeyT]

56. Alabama is more or less the same.

I don't hold out much hope that Bernie will win here, but that's no reason not to try.

I am sort of amused the states we often hear should be kicked out of the union because they go red in general elections are now the saviors of democracy. Never thought I'd see D party loyalists cheering for a bunch of red states.

[daleanime]

76. Don't let it brother you....

keep your head up and do the best that you can.

[Art_from_Ark]

151. Arkansas voter here

I feel the same as you. I could have voted in the Americans Abroad primary, but I wanted to add a Bernie vote to my state's total. And he'll get several more votes from family members. It probably won't make much of a difference, but at least we can say we tried.

[truedelphi]

132. You' re from Georgia? And I never suspected - after following yr posts for yrs -

That you have kept such sanity in the midst of such total weirdness.

You and Mike Malloy, I guess, have a special kind of strength.

[n2doc]

138. Well I am not a native

And I am in one of the blue spots, Savannah, although it is pretty hemmed in by RW assholes.

Better than Texas, I'll tell you that, having been in both places. Texas is a special kind of hell if you don't live in Austin or the few blue neighborhoods in the cities.

[Fawke Em]

51. Actually, the landscape improves for him dramatically after the

Super Tuesday states.

Notice how everyone's calling it the "SEC primary" now? Well, it's not. There are several other states in play that Bernie can win, the biggest being Massachusetts where he's beating her. And, of course Vermont and Colorado.

The media is kvetching about this, too. Anything to keep Bernie out.

They probably want a Republican, though, so that's the media's motive. I'm not sure why so many Democrats think she's more viable in the general given she polls worse against them than Bernie and isn't like by many people outside a handful of establishment-type Democrats.

[TBF]

68. Well I voted early here in TX for Sen. Sanders -

and I am very proud of that! This old broad can still find her way to the polls.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

86. This old horndog appreciates you!!

[PatrynXX]

107. Yeah except I'm getting

it both from the Hillary Camp and their evil Twins Tea Party activists (my dad and my brother but mostly my dad who's been saying some insane shit lately Today will go down as a depressive day for me. He totally absolutely lost total clue in reality last night and it's depressing. and he doesn't believe me when I say I've been getting the same shit from Hillary Supporters X_X

[passiveporcupine]

125. I actually think it's more about building up their own morale

They've been pretty demoralized, so any kind of win, no matter how weak, will be looked at as a reason to celebrate.

[KansDem]

4. I sometimes wonder how many of them will be around...

... after the election.

[Matariki]

11. you mean...

when they're no longer getting paid?

[KansDem]

19. .

[CentralMass]

59. :-)

[Mbrow]

81. +1

[Major Nikon]

115. Results...

On Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:19 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

you mean...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=124520

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Another meta accusation from the Sanders group that Hillary supporters are all just paid shills here are DU. This is over the top, this is disruptive meta, and accusing other DU'ers of being paid shills is against the TOS. Hide this post.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:26 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm a Hillary supporter, I post in the Hillary Group...often. I don't appreciate it when outsiders try to shut down discussion in our group; I'm not going to do so in the Bernie group. Safe groups are safe groups.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is the very point of the thread. Why else would posters on the Democratic UNDERGROUND shill for someone like Hillary Clinton in the face of a real "underground" democratic movement?
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: If the person had added a sarcasm thingie, I would be OK with it. But the allegations that Hillary supporters are "paid shills" is a bridge too far for me.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What a totally obnoxious post! Hide please.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Can't understand how Hillary supporters do it for love.. we must be getting paid. Rofl. poor things.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If accusing other DUers of being paid shills was against the TOS, there's quite a few DUers who would be on perpetual time out. So while I might agree this tactic is brilliantly stupid, and annoyingly worn out, I'm not convinced it's OTT.

[Matariki]

144. thx

[John Poet]

142. Certainly no Hillary people on this site are being paid....

They are so inept and counter-productive, none of them would be worth paying anything,
not even third-world wages of 25 cents an hour...

They should be paying Hillary for allowing them out of their cages.

[Gore1FL]

148. I don't think they are getting paid. They don't do a good enough job.

I think they are fuckwad internet personas of people who are probably not so easily worked up in real life.

[Cleita]

26. Many were here before there was an election Hillary group.

They did the same shit in GD. I'm sure they will still be here after the election.

[desmiller]

127. What's GD?

[Cleita]

129. General Discussion. eom

[desmiller]

130. thx. I thought GD was another forum site.

[Art_from_Ark]

5. It's a psy-ops campaign

[islandmkl]

6. and my unicorn was just getting used to his name...

and was starting to do some tricks...

and my goddam rainbow has grown so much it won't fit back in the box...how'm I supposed to send THAT back?

[Rebkeh]

7. That's what they do

They are trying to throw us off balance.

[Matariki]

8. Yep.

I'm sure everyone has noticed patterns in the memes that get cycled through, as if they are coming from a single source. Today's memes are pushing the perception that it's over and racial stuff. Refuse to play. Point out how badly Clinton lost the NH primary, where people actually get to vote, and how narrow her victory was in the state that was supposed to be her 'western firewall'.

[Fawke Em]

54. Or heck, just keep posting this:

[Peregrine Took]

88. I heard Stephanie Miller try to trap Charlie Miller in the meme "Daily Beast said its all over...

for Bernie ...do you think he should drop out today??"

Ole Charlie was too smart for her and said, no way, Bernie should stay in at least til the 2nd week in March. He, also, got in a dig against HRC saying she was acting in an "opportunistic" way in becoming the best friend of minorities of late.

[SmittynMo]

121. Miller's in it for

HRC. She's says she's not, but I don't believe her for a second. Haven't been listening to her in quite a while(weeks). It was getting quite boring.

[bvar22]

136. Same here...

...and I used to listen to her all the time.
Now, I only turn on FSTV when Thom Hartmann show starts.

[sarge43]

10. More of The Big Lie. One of the few things they're good at.

We're even being ordered to form up and march behind Hills.

[LiberalElite]

13. in that case I'm a conscientious objector nt

[jeff47]

12. It's just a tactic.

The primary calendar happens to have a series of primaries that will go well for Clinton coming up. They're attempting to lay down enough doubt that those primaries cause Sanders supporters to give up.

It's not like South Carolina or Alabama are going to be voting for the Democrat in November.

If Sanders supporters do not give up now, Clinton has the problem of states later in the primary where she is not polling very well. Those states will actually be "in play" in November. Winning those primaries/caucuses would give Sanders a better "electability" argument.

[Matariki]

35. +million

Time to double down and volunteer and donate. And understand that exactly what you said, the next couple races are Clinton's but she has by no means won the war. In fact she's doing pretty poorly.

[TTUBatfan2008]

39. This is a serious question...

Why are states like New York and California at the end? The Democrats will not be winning Alabama or South Carolina or Georgia any time soon. So why are these states given stronger priority in the primary season? I understand why the Republicans frontload their primary with a bunch of southern states. They need those states to win a general election. I don't understand why the Democrats follow the GOP lead on this.

[dreamnightwind]

44. Because conservadems run the party?

Just a guess. But excellent question, and one that deserves a well researched or knowledgeable answer.

I'm in California. By the time we vote it will be late in the game and the dominant primary narrative will already have been formed by states such as South Carolina, Iowa, and a ton of bible belt and southern states.

Why is that? Democrats don't win those states in the general, so why should they get to steer the early direction of our primary?

[TTUBatfan2008]

45. Iowa and New Hampshire I sort of understand...

They are purple states. Obama won both of them in 2008 and 2012. But deep red states like Alabama getting to shape the media narrative long before California or New York vote? Something not right about that.

[Fawke Em]

57. Actually, Hillary won New Hampshire in 2008. eom

[TTUBatfan2008]

60. I was talking about the general election...

...hence the comments about how Iowa and New Hampshire are purple states and the reference to Alabama as a deep red state. The point being I understand why Iowa/New Hampshire get to go early as purple states. I do not understand why Alabama gets more of a say in the early media narrative than a state like California.

[virgogal]

105. The states themselves choose when to hold their primaries.

The media covers them as they occur.

[John Poet]

72. Except for the first four states, whose dates are approved

by the DNC, state legislatures set their own primary dates, or where there is no primary, the state parties set their caucus dates-- as long as they are not before March 1st (to be acceptable under Democratic party rules).

California has had a June presidential primary for decades, with 2008 being the only exception I recall.

[SheilaT]

94. Just to reinforce what you've said,

some states hold early primaries, others hold them later. I live in a state (NM) that always does their primaries in June. There is no good reason to hold a separate, earlier primary just for the Presidential primary, especially since my state isn't considered very important in the larger picture. Disappointing, but this is where I live.

[jeff47]

99. The serious answer is the DLC

I know, that sounds all conspiracy-theory. Unfortunately, history sometimes does.

One of the maneuvers of the proto-DLC after 1984 was to push for Southern states to move up their primaries. It was a long-term project and wasn't quite done by 1988, but was done by 1992.

Since Southern Democrats tend to be more conservative, a Southern-heavy early schedule helps the DLC. If CA voted early and clobbered their already tenuous-in-the-party candidates, their claim that "The US is a conservative country" would not work nearly as well.

Why didn't liberals change it to get at least a more balanced early primary? First, both the DLC-style Democrats and Republicans oppose it. Which means it is very difficult to pass the legislation to move the primary.

Second, Florida and Michigan. When they moved their primaries to earlier in the calendar without party approval, the DNC stripped those states of their convention delegates. And since DLC-style Democrats currently control the DNC, any attempt to move a "blue" state up in the calendar is risky. Which makes it even harder to overcome the first problem.

[LiberalArkie]

14. In won delegates they are both at 51 delegates.

However in the super delegates and fantasy delegate count
Clinton has 502 and Sanders has 70.


Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

[MuseRider]

15. Yes but

I am supremely happy that I have a candidate that I am thrilled to support. THRILLED to support. I don't have to spend a lot of time defending him because all they can throw at him is junk made up and thrown out to be chewed on and I got better things to do that play that stupid game. He is not my perfect candidate but he is certainly the closest in most of my voting life.

Let them blather on, defend if you want to but even when he loses, and we all know he will lose more, we still have a good human that we are supporting. That is immense these days. Not many good humans even want to be in that position.

I know if I was having to defend Hillary I would be miserable having to do it. My unicorns remain well fed and comfy and the rainbow machine has never stopped. The stable is full and ready to go.

[TBF]

17. ^ How I feel as well, MuseRider. nt

[Trajan]

69. Hear hear

I'm there with ya ...

I lost a little heart after Nevada, and I know SC and the Super Tuesday states will yield little hope for Sanders supporters, but if we hang in the there, we will be rewarded down the road ...

It's gonna be a tough month - I think it's a good time to reconnoiter and get in touch with the campaign ... and start making some phone calls ...

[MuseRider]

100. Tomorrow!!!!!!

We are going to try to get in to see Bernie in Kansas City tomorrow. It means me getting up at 4:30 or 5 to get all my chores at least partly done then driving 1 1/2 hours to get there early and stand in line forever and hopefully we will get in. My husband has some health problems that makes this a little harder but we will do it if we can.

Just come back here when your chin gets down. We all have those moments, I had one this morning but I keep telling myself I have a clean candidate who speaks truth and wants us all to lift each other up. He cares about every one of us. He won't let us down, we know he would have to compromise but we know where he will start and where his heart will not let him go. That is worth all the living through we have all done to get to this point. I just keep telling myself to think what this country would look like if everyone was as hopeful as we are.

[Hiraeth]

74. woot

[Plucketeer]

112. I couldn't have said it better

I don't check the mirror very often, but when I do, I don't wanna groan at what I see.

[TBF]

16. There are several who are working on dormant accounts -

there is no way to tell if they are actual lurkers, from the DNC, or right wing hacks. Who knows ... but yes I had to put several more on ignore this week. 80+ on that list now.

[warrprayer]

34. My list

Is growing exponentially.
Strangely, some of them mysteriously reappear!

[artislife]

18. It's a flare up

It is like a chronic disease that lays dormant but flares up every once in awhile.

[farleftlib]

20. Not just you

I noticed it too.

BTW, what does FUD mean? I can guess what the first two letter stand for but....

[winter is coming]

22. Fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

It's not "fud" as in the famous Far Side cartoon where the dog is trying to lure the cat into the dryer.

http://philk.tumblr.com/post/3747020133/magicallybabelicious-one-of-my-favorites#_=_

[farleftlib]

31. Love the cartoon

Thank you. I must have a dirty mind because I thought FUD mean something like, "effed up d____"

I am so bad.

[winter is coming]

33. You are so bad.

No wonder you fit in so well around here.

[winter is coming]

21. They've been trying to tell us that resistance is futile for months now,

or do you not remember the "Bernie will never break X percent" declarations? I use X instead of a number because the goal posts keep shifting.

And after months of it, I expect pretty much anything coming from Camp Weathervane or a Clinton supporter to be a lie.

[RoccoR5955]

23. They keep trying different lies

and see if one is going to stick. They are failing miserably.

[Depaysement]

24. This is so spot on it's not even funny

I know this is an emotional reaction but I am starting to hate Hillary and her supporters here. It's like they revel in baiting, mocking and taunting us. Don't they realize they need us?

Sorry, but I really can't answer your question.

[John Poet]

143. I'm just about to the point

where I hate them as much as Republicans.... and that takes some doing.

[Cleita]

25. Yep. I just served jury on an alert that was a classic swarm alert. eom

[Major Nikon]

119. Nothing like unintentionally proving the point

[NowSam]

27. Tons of Corporate Money Buys lots of fake posts and

That is what is going on. You can always see the days where camp Hillary buys the media and always the days she takes a break because those days, the real news gets through. Tells me that she is under obligation to keep the money flowing or the M$M will turn off the juice.

So obvious.

[AZ Progressive]

30. You can't win with people when they are being paid. And yes they are pushing any lie about Bernie

to sow FUD.

[EdwardBernays]

28. My stable is full

Of my excess Karl Marx busts.

Rainbows and unicorns have to stay out.

[lasttrip]

32. i don't think many care.

Peace.
LT

[ffr]

36. I'm a Hillary supporter and I don't want you to give up. How about that!

I'm not gloating. I love Bernie. Whatever you do, DO NOT pack up nor head back to the stables. I want all of Bernie's supporters to find more Bernie supporters and get them to vote/caucus for Bernie.

Why do I say this? Because what you are doing as Bernie supporters, registering as democrats, showing up to vote, speaking your minds, being energized by and believing in your candidate can only prove good for either candidate to win the G.E. in November. The bigger and longer the fight, the stronger we'll be as a party and more resolved to elect more democrats to help whomever our candidate will be. If Bernie becomes president or remains a senator, he'll need more democrats in congress to help pass progressive bills.

I encourage your participation as I hope you do mine.

[dreamnightwind]

47. Gracious of you, but

many of the Democrats, new and old, who support Bernie are most definitely not ok with fighting for more triangulation from the corporate gravy train. Bernie's candidacy is actually about taking our party back from those interests. I don't see it translating to a Hillary led party, quite the opposite, in fact I think the insistence that Hillary and her lobbyists be shoved down the people's throats will greatly damage the party. We'll see.

[Beartracks]

87. Too bad the Valentine hearts expired.

I still had extras when it ended. I would've given you one for this post.

===============

[FreedomRain]

95. "I encourage your participation as I hope you do mine.

back at ya!

[HooptieWagon]

37. They're authoritarian wanna-be bullies.

They think they'll shout us down and we'll fall in line. They got a big surprise coming. We've got a voice, we demand to have our voices heard, and we're not falling in line. FUD works on RW authoritarian minds, but not on free-thinking liberals. All they're accomplishing is to make sure the current party divide becomes permanent.

[Matariki]

40. Here, counter the psy-ops

recommend this post http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511317556

[dana_b]

41. I hope Bernie addresses this

We need people out there to know that it is FAR from over and that things may not look great after "super" Tuesday BUT that after that, it is predicted to get better for us. To hold on, don't let the the Hillary folks get to you and PLEASE don't give up!

If Bernie mentions this in his speeches and online, it may keep some people from not bothering to vote.

That's what they want. They don't want us to vote (how Democratic if them!) except in the GE for Hillary.

[Old Codger]

43. I guess

I must be doing it right, I don't see much of that stuff, pretty much have most of them on ignore, just got tired of that crap... so much nicer to only hear about it and not see it..

[Android3.14]

46. I notice The Swarm is less noticeable after office hours

Just sayin'...

[DUbeornot2be]

48. They know...

...that Bernie gets stronger, and Hillary is deemed more corrupt each and every day!

They stand on illusion.

[AlbertCat]

49. gloating Hillary supporters, who are acting like it's all over

Well it's her turn. She deserves it.

The silly little charade of democracy for the peons can cease now.

[Betty Karlson]

50. My unicorn is rampant, so I don't knbow why they are so arrogant.

I just hope they won't get trampled by standing in the way of my horned stallion.

[arcane1]

52. After spending thousands of taxpayer dollars on fake Facebook followers...

It's only natural that she'd spend donor money on fake online support.

[davidthegnome]

53. Inclined to agree.

It's one thing to stand up for your candidate, to have strong faith in them, to support them... it's something else to start gloating this early in the race. It's not over yet. Hell, it's barely even begun. Sanders is still very much in this to win it.

[JackInGreen]

55. S'not just you

They seem to be hoping for a purge of the impure too boot.

[werknotgoin2takeit]

139. I saw that too

Well I'd rather be thought of as impure by them, that makes me feel pretty clean. There might very well be a purge if she gets the nod, but I doubt they will have to show us the door. I'm perfectly willing to find greener pastures. They have made it clear I'm not wanted anyway.

[ladyVet]

58. Meh. They can say what they want, it won't change my support for Bernie.

Most of these people are on full ignore, so I don't have to see their stupid shit. If we all put them on ignore, then there'd be no problem.

Paid shills, crazy believers, shit stirrers, makes no difference to me. I refuse to let other people dictate my political choices any longer. Fuck them and the corporate donkey they rode in on.

[ladjf]

61. Yes, DU is being swarmed and it's disgusting. nt

[GoneFishin]

62. Trying lower expectations so fewer people will donate to Bernie and volunteer for his campaign.

Everything with them is dirty tricks and mind forking. They can't compete on a level playing field.

[dekema2]

63. Not sure

I don't know but I am a new member who supports Bernie. Why is it called Democratic "underground?"

[olddots]

64. check their profiles

the swarm seems to be very real .

[WillyT]

65. Yep... The MSM Too...

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511309342

[AzDar]

66. "Surrender Bernie!"

[southmost]

67. suspect these are right wing operatives

and I'm surprised they haven't been called out as such... I believe most of the instigators have never voted for democratic party and never intend to vote democratic....agent provacateurs have been running amok and taking advantage lately

[jtuck004]

83. Doesn't mean they aren't Democrats. People have been calling them out for years. n/t

[PFunk1]

70. Nope. It is.

And I finally started using the ignore button big time because of it

[gregcrawford]

71. I find it very telling...

... to note the manner in which certain parties comport themselves in such "discussions." I posted an OP in GD regarding the fact that no one from Hillary's campaign has been fired for any of their false statements - I called them "transgressions, and said this stuff has been documented, which it has - but even the Weasel King, Ted Cruz, dismissed a spokesman for making false statements.

Hoo boy! Definitely hit a nerve. But denying that any of this even happened is just ridiculous. So now I'm going to ferret out the documentation I'm told does not exist.

The willingness of some within the Hillary camp to burn bridges, as I said, is very telling. If we wind up with Clinton as the nominee, so be it. I will hold my nose, but I will support her. Any of the Republicans as president is just too terrifying to contemplate, but I am convinced that the ugly prospect grows closer to reality if Clinton becomes the Democratic nominee.

I'm going to polish my unicorn's horn with fairy dust.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

75. They're throwing the kitchen sink and the toilet.

This is the last gasp of a dying campaign.

[Blue_In_AK]

77. I've noticed,

and it will be worse after South Carolina. Just ignore them and keep on keeping on.

[Paper Roses]

78. Not just you, my friend. n/t

[Helen Borg]

79. It was to be expected.

And wait after South Carolina!

[Jester Messiah]

80. That's how they do it

They're trying to dust off the ol' inevitability, see if they can get that rolling again. (Spoiler alert: they cannot.)

[hifiguy]

82. Half the bridges on the intertubes

are missing their trolls. It's paid-for social media ratfuckung very much in the degree and manner of the 1972 Nixon campaign. Only the media have changed.

All that Wall $treet money feeds a LOT of trolls.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

84. I used to see a lot of that but not much any more.

The Ignore button is doing wonders for my blood pressure. I finally realized that trying to refute the lies is pointless - I'm not going to change their minds and arguing with a brick wall is more effective.

[MariaThinks]

85. no it's only a few like you. The swarm is more the bernie supporters who are bringing their

hatred towards Hillary and republican talking points with them. I'm not sure how any liberal or progressive could hate Hillary so much. she not go far enough, but she does not deserve the disrespect and hatred being thrown at her.

it disgusts me and probably a lot of other fair minded democrats.

I do not tolerate negative swipes at Bernie either. but then, my intelligence is able to handle liking two prospects.

[Tess49]

104. Thank you! My thoughts, too.

[TM99]

128. When hundreds see something different than you,

you might want to question why you do not see the same thing.

[Raster]

135. Wait a minute. This is a PROTECTED BERNIE SANDERS GROUP.

Aren't you posting this pro-Hillary, anti-Bernie crap in the wrong group?

[erlewyne]

90. They inspire me!

Hillary can't be this desperate, can she?

Bernie is an old Socialist Jew and all we got in common
is we are democrats of old. I will support him forever!

[valerief]

91. I have so many on Ignore, I couldn't tell you! nt

[retrowire]

92. It's a discouragement tactic. Thankfully,

I'm spending my time more productively off of DU for the time being. We're in the heat of the primary battle right now, we have no time for posting great points against one another!

[creatives4innovation]

93. Yes

It's everywhere and appears to be coordinated.

[Jack Rabbit]

96. I will not fall in line

I may vote for Mrs. Clinton if she is the nominee, but that will not be because I approve of her (I don't), but because I believe that a Trump presidency or a Cruz presidency would be an even greater nightmare that a Hillary presidency will be.

Rainbows and unicorns? I don't believe in unicorns and rainbows are merely sunlight refracted in water. The ones who believe in rainbows and unicorns are the ones who think trickle down economics will finally start working after thirty-six years after the election of Ronald Reagan.

[Jean Genie]

97. Not just you

No, V.O., it's not just you. And it's demoralizing, sad, and annoying. All the more reason to hang tough, though. We can't let it get us down. There's too much at stake in this election, and we have to work as hard as Bernie does to make sure everyone gets his message - untainted, untarnished, and truthfully told.

[SheilaT]

98. What amazes me the most is that it

was the Hillary supporters eight years ago who famously refused to concede, becoming the PUMAs we all learned to despise, long after it was clear she wasn't going to win the nomination. And now, when the nomination is still totally up for grabs, they're telling us to sit down and shut up.

One thing they don't understand (unless this really is their intention) is to what extent they are making many of us completely unwilling to support Hillary should she actually win the nomination.

[hedda_foil]

145. Perhaps it is their plan to throw the game electorally speaking.

I wonder which of the other crap they've thrown against our wall of Bernie supporters were done at the behest of or as reassurance to group of donors or another.

[Shadowflash]

101. There shouldn't even BE any gloating, yet.

Unless I missed something, there have only been 3 contests. She won one by a LITTLE, he won one by a LOT and one was basically a tie.

I'd say this is a race.

[90-percent]

102. HRC supporters

Seem to be very susceptible to the modern day psy-ops and corporate propaganda that is our current MSM.

Personally, I think HRC as President would be like a bizarro version of the disastrous GWB Presidency. I hope HRC mentions reviving the draft to help support her idea of "international diplomacy".

-90% Jimmy

[randr]

103. At the same time right wing anti Hillary propoganda

is being sucked up by the Bernie crowd. I feel embarrassed by both sides and am beginning to think the trolls have taken over.

[BernieforPres2016]

124. Anti Hillary propaganda?

Like what, that she served on the Board of Wal-Mart from 1986-1992, supported NAFTA and other free trade agreements, supported Bill Clinton's crime bill and spoke about "super predators", voted for the war in Iraq, flip flopped on the Bankruptcy bill, accepted just under $10 million for 41 speeches to corporate interests in 2013 after leaving the Secretary of State job? That kind of propaganda?

[eridani]

152. Give me just one example of a winger who is advocating for single payer health care n/ty

[PatrynXX]

106. This is totally fucking normal

Like when someone is getting close to winning and your near the end zone and the noise level starts picking up trying to destract the opposing team... I just wish there was a setting on DU that if I'm banned from Discussion in a board it doesn't show up on the main page. Just rubbing their noses . Like welcome to Faux. Where we can demean you and you can't respond so you live in this bubble and at some point it'll pop and then you've got a mess on your hands

[ejbr]

108. They're out of luck

I can't catch my Unicorn!

[1monster]

109. For the first time in my more than fourteen years of reading and and then

becoming a member of DU, I have been using the "ignore" feature. I think I have put ten of the most egregious and prodigious on ignore and I doubt I will take them off any time soon.

But DU is still over run with taunting, contemptuous posts against Bernie supporters.

I'm not talking about people who are expressing their support for Hillary and their reasons. I'm talking about those whose only reason for posting seems to be to flame bait, cause contention, and otherwise disrupt a civil discussion.

At this point, I doubt that there are many "undecideds" on DU. I think everyone has already made their choice, with a few not enthusiastic about either.

So, I'm posting less, reading less, and spending a whole lot more of my time on "Letter Garden" and doing origami to soothe the feelings disrupted by the tensions on DU these days.

One really nice perk of putting the most disruptive posters on "ignore" is that I'm seeing a lot more diversified subjects on the home page and the greatest page. I'm starting to feel like on DU again!

On edit: I've just noticed that there are 110 posts on this thread at this point, and I can only see about forty!

[FailureToCommunicate]

110. I was just banned from the Hillary group, and posters over there were likewise complaining of

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"being swarmed" by all the bad bad Bernie bros posting mean things in their "sanctuary"

I was banned for having the timerity for asking clarification of an OP that basically said that Bernie supporters here were just like Tea Party nuts and - wait for it - German Nazis !!

[LiberalElite]

118. a day or two back we were Maoists

Next we'll be Klingons or The Borg.

[FailureToCommunicate]

131. Or **gasp** Cardassians !

[Babel_17]

134. Or, even worse, Canadians!

[LiberalElite]

140. Or....Blue Meanies!

[eridani]

153. The ratio of actual members over there to banned people is instructive

Hillary Clinton Group
Number of subscribers: 304
Number of people trashing: 192
Blocked members: 531
Subscribers to blocked members ratio: 0.573


Bernie Sanders Group.
Number of subscribers: 867
Number of people trashing: 144
Blocked members: 248
Subscribers to blocked members ratio: 3.50

[greymouse]

111. they're like the nytimes

article on Hillary's "huge lead' when it was superdelegates. I have lost almost all respect for the Times.

I view it as another tactic of desperation, because Hillary is going into the bit bucket, just as she did last time. Lies, attack morale, dirty tricks, what else has she got left in her slime bucket? A classic case for some university study of dirty politics. Fortunately, a lot of us know crap when we see it.

[MisterP]

113. they were gloating and smirking and alert-swarming and making histronic ethnical accusations

and snapping their riding-crops and preparing the pikes and playing hall monitor with borrowed power and expected victory before NH, too ...

[BernieforPres2016]

116. what else do you expect from them?

Hillary's record is not defensible, so they go to the old Clinton playbook and get down in the gutter. As the GEICO commercials say "It's what you do."

[DirkGently]

117. Just "Inevitability, Part II," I think.

I don't really get the "YOU CANNOT WIN, SO DESPAIR AND FLEE" line of argument to the extent anyone's trying to be persuasive.

Sure, there's the bandwagon effect for perceived "winners," but this is not the way you do that.

Telling people you are just going to "win" while they will "lose" regardless of any value judgment is not political argument; it's a sports chant.

Worse, it plays into the whole narrative of the Establishment vs. the People, whether that's a fair characterization of the Democratic primary or not. If Hillary is going to win and Bernie is going to lose because WE HAVE ALL THE ENDORSEMENTS AND SUPERDELEGATES AND UNION BOSSES SO SURRENDER DORORTHY BLAHAHAHAHA, that would be a bad thing, no matter anyone's personal preference.

Democrats and "progressives" are supposed to be seeking office to oppose subverting democracy, not doing the subverting themselves.

It's also pretty transparently wishful thinking. Hillary Clinton certainly may win; she began with what seemed an insurmountable lead.

But if she had this thing in the bag, or if a couple of narrow, chaotic caucus victories meant Sanders' momentum had been quashed, they wouldn't be trying so hard to convince people of that, because it would be obvious.

It would be far smarter and more effective to argue that there are good reasons why Hillary should win than to just keep bleating that no matter who is better or more deserving she will win anyway.

[Ivan Kaputski]

120. IMO the admins are tainting the jury pool.

Here's how I figure that. I estimate that 90% of DU is pro bernie. What do you think the chances are that establishment pro Wall Street bankster status quo corporate sell outs could fill a majority of a jury selection? Yep, you got it. They are manipulating the jury pool!

[forjusticethunders]

122. what's happened is that

the Overton has moved so far right that Rockefeller Republicans are the new "left". That translates to a lack of concern for the middle and working classes, a complete tone-deafness to the struggles of the people who are barely getting by, because after all, they're comfortable and secure, while I'm 26 and I'm making 33k a year BEFORE taxes and I'm lucky compared to my peers.

[Babel_17]

133. And they're back to having their candidate, and we ours :)

They've got a tough row to hoe, I understand their desperate need for an outburst. For a few, being a Clinton supporter is heading towards being like a member of Scientology. You're pressured to spew obscenities when confronted with the truth.

http://gawker.com/180473/jenna-elfman-attacks-man-in-glib-t-shirt

She didn't just come up with that accusation, Scientology's leadership supplied that smear to be the go-to phrase. Saddens me, as I'm genuinely fond of Ms. Elfman, and I always have been.

And while I'm not comparing Scientology to the Clinton campaign, it's beyond sad how some connected to the campaign (and a few supporters) emulate that kind of tactic in their diatribes/blatant smears against Senator Sanders.

I can't believe it's come to this, when confronted with an obstacle on the path to a coronation.

[djean111]

137. It's just a flailing effort to get control (which they never had, really).

Plus maybe there is a little bit of running slime up a flagpole, to see if it sticks to anything.

[mhatrw]

141. It's over when WE say it it is over because WE find Sanders.

Their obvious intent is to demoralize US.

[Major Hogwash]

147. It's not just you.

They obviously have an agenda -- to tear down the Democratic party, in order to get Hillary's pre-ordained coronation started as fast as they can.

Even if it kills us.

[Gore1FL]

149. They don't really have a lot to gloat about.

A DNC-supported front-runner with a one delegate lead after a tie, a near tie, and a trouncing is not much to party about.

I don't know if I have any "rainbows and unicorns" out to put away. I refuse to say we are not as capable as Europe. Suggesting that we are as capable is neither one of those.

[myrna minx]

150. I ride a Dothraki Unicorn, and she's badass.

Never give up!