NO, I'n NOT "Ready for Hillary"

[Playinghardball]

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. I'm right there with you.

[marym625]

4. hi Peggy!

Just love seeing you in the Sanders group!

[Playinghardball]

5. Hi Peg...

How have you been?

[Jackpine Radical]

32. Welcome

my dear Peggy!

You're the ray of sunshine we've been needing.

[cyberswede]

76. Do you now support Democrats?

[HERVEPA]

79. Buh-Bye

[Cleita]

2. Good graphic. eom

[marym625]

3. absolutely not ready

Won't ever be ready

K&R!

[swilton]

6. ditto

[MissDeeds]

20. Same here

K&R

[840high]

42. Ever!!!!!

[marym625]

44. Ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever!

Thank goodness we don't have to worry about it since the next President will be President Bernie Sanders

[840high]

46. ....

[staggerleem]

87. But, if it should happen that someone who isn't Bernie Sanders wins the Democratic Primary ...

... Bernie has already stated, MANY times that he will NOT run as an independent, so he won't split the vote from the left. Bernie will throw his support to, and heartily endorse, whoever the Democratic nominee turns out to be.

So you folks who say you'll NEVER, EVER be "Ready for Hillary" might want to reconsider.

Or else, come January 2017, we ALL might have to get "Ready for Jeb" ... or Cruz, or Rubio or some other nightmare.

[marym625]

88. sigh

I will vote for the Democratic nominee, Bernie Sanders

[closeupready]

85. Me, too.

[bvar22]

7. Good Graphic!

We can have real change,
or more of the same.



You will know them by their works.

[Enthusiast]

8. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

[rhett o rick]

9. Hey, for once I wanted to say that.

[Enthusiast]

21. That "whole bunch" part is going to make some people mad at me.

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[cascadiance]

10. Another one to add to this list...

Wants to scale back "guest worker" programs like H-1B and H-2B that put Americans out of work and contribute to the race to the bottom for cheap labor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/25/this-is-a-massive-effort-to-attract-cheap-labor-why-sen-bernie-sanders-is-skeptical-of-guest-workers/

[secondwind]

13. The more I see about Hillary, the less I like. n/t

[ChairmanAgnostic]

60. that started for me years ago,

when she was the keynote speaker for a bar association seminar I co-chaired. She hinted something about her hubby (some unknown gov of a small, poor, state I barely recognized) might be running for something bigger. The day before her talk, suddenly really glossy and professionally done posters began appearing publicizing her talk. (not anything our bar association would have done)

She was the most arrogant, demanding, nasty person I had met in that point of my life. A memory that will never fade.

[2banon]

67. that was an interesting bit! you had something of an up front and personal preview

in a sense. Wow. How long before the '92 elections ?

Must have been interesting given your personal encounter before that time.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

70. If I recall, he announced about 6 weeks later.

Because he used a different last name, it took a bit for me to put two and two together. I believe the penny dropped after the first allegations came out about his diddling some female, Paula?

I had never heard of Hillary Rodham, but we were repeatedly told that she was one of the top ten trial lawyers in the country. Considering that two of the actual top ten were present at the bar meeting, and not one of 250+ attys present ever heard of her, we were taken aback about her Top Ten Rating.

I then learned that she never tried a jury case to verdict.

[2banon]

72. LOL! Boy their propaganda machine has been working overdrive forever. They probably don't know how

not to lie about the most innocuous thing, like the time of day.

[olegramps]

71. Really. Yeah.

[jalan48]

11. Whoa-this about says it all.

So why is it Hillary is the mainstream choice? Is it because mainstream Democrats are more like Republicans? Just asking.

[Maedhros]

25. Think of Hillary not as a candidate, but as a product.

Hillary can be marketed to more people because

a) She has a bigger marketing budget
b) She has better brand recognition

Voila! "Mainstream candidate."

[raindaddy]

56. Complete with logo pointing to the right...

And the media keeps telling us how no other product matches up to Hillary!

It's become so obvious....

[SoapBox]

77. I'm beginning to think that the "H" pointed to the Right is gonna mean

hell for us, if she gets elected.

[raindaddy]

80. They keep showing the arrow headed for the GOP elephant's ass.....

But you're right, that might as well be us!

[Fuddnik]

62. Don't you mean "Manchurian Candidate"?

[Maedhros]

91. No, that term implies far more than what I would want to imply. [n/t]

[MisterP]

41. mostly it seems to be that they believe she's likeliest to win in the primary and thus the generals

(which is more circular-reasoning nonsense); others are conservative Dems; others know that she's representative (regardless of their noisy rhetoric of being the One True Liberals) of the party's establishment which controls all the apparatus and has kept mainstream ideas from being turned into law for decades

we saw what they do in primaries and even generals with Cegelis, Lamont, McKinney, Halter, Romanoff, Sestak, Grayson, Kucinich, Buono, Lutrin, Rev. Manuel Sykes, Weiland, and Wendy Davis and Grimes in November

[secondwind]

12. I'm backing Bernie Sanders all the way, have donated three times already!

[peacebird]

26. Me too!

[BeanMusical]

14. Kick and R

[Fast Walker 52]

15. you've seen this Taibbi piece?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/in-classic-clintonian-fashion-dems-insult-their-own-voters-20150609?page=3

[Maedhros]

27. Taibbi gets it.

I particularly like his take on Hillary's recent blitz to try and convince us she cares about things:

In response, the Clinton campaign is launching a campaign to fire up the liberal base. They're going to accomplish this, they say, by having Hillary adopt "polarizing" positions she doesn't actually believe in. This comes via a trial balloon the campaign itself floated in The New York Times over the weekend.

In "Hillary Clinton Traces Friendly Path, Troubling Party," Clinton aides reveal to reporters Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman that Hillary is being forced to abandon her preferred political path – as they breathlessly describe it, "the nationwide electoral strategy that won her husband two terms in the White House and brought white working-class voters and great stretches of what is now red-state America back to Democrats."

The main sources on the news part of the piece are unnamed "Mrs. Clinton's aides." The quotes in the analysis portion, meanwhile, come mainly from a list of current and former Democratic operatives like David Plouffe, Dan Pfeiffer and Robby Mook.

So this wasn't leaked out to the Times by accident. It was spoon-fed to the paper by the party, which put this "left turn" out there to see how it plays.

And, the money quote:

As political messaging goes, it's a remarkably perverse way to kick off a campaign. It's like going on a date and announcing before the appetizers arrive that the only reason you're here is that the person you really wanted to go out with turned you down.

As in: "Please don't think I really like you. It's just that going out with you is the only way I'm going to get laid."

And, as we surmised, this will be the plan going forward:

But if history is any guide, that won't happen. The guess here is that Hillary and Democrats have run the numbers. They'll shake a few fists at The Man on the campaign trail, just enough to sneak by on poll day. Then, once in office, they'll revert back in office to being the shameless policy sellouts they've always been.

It would be gross even if they weren't openly telling us that's the plan. But with this trial balloon, that's exactly what they're doing. It'll be interesting to see if American voters have enough self-respect to be offended.

[2banon]

47. My favorite quote really nails it though:

"Please don't think I really like you. It's just that going out with you is the only way I'm going to get laid."





Oh by the way, thanks for the Taibbi/RR mention and bringing it to our attention.

[Maedhros]

50. Credit should go to Fast Walker 52 [n/t]

[2banon]

68. oops, my bad thanks for pointing that out!

[Divernan]

53. Good god! Look at these excerpts.

Given the sources, the way the strategic turn is described is incredible. Both the named and unnamed Democrats spend the whole text pissing on their own strategy (and by extension their own targeted voters) from a great height.

They make it clear that turning away from Bill Clinton's cherished demographic of southern white moderates, and toward the Obama base of "young, nonwhite and female voters," is something they're only doing with extreme reluctance.
***********************************
Moreover, the party wants big business to hang tough while Hillary slings Warren-Sanders-style anti-business rhetoric in an effort to increase turnout.

The truly crazy thing about this is that the Warren-Sanders strategy actually would be the broad bipartisan strategy, if only the Democrats would stop apologizing for it.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/in-classic-clintonian-fashion-dems-insult-their-own-voters-20150609#ixzz3cemmB3sy
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[Fast Walker 52]

73. sickening-- and even worse, the HRC people are saying this apparently

[2banon]

69. thanks for bringing to our attention!

[Fast Walker 52]

74. you're welcome!

Go Bernie!

[geardaddy]

16. Yeah, but what is he for?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

29. .....heh......

[OneCrazyDiamond]

17. But Hillary Clinton is the only viable candidate,

or so I am told.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

31. I heard she was the most "qualified"....

The Right already is primed to talk about those qualities for the next year.

[Dustlawyer]

18. Where are are of the Hillary folks who have been jumping on anything negative put up about her?

Kind of hard to refute ugly facts. For the Hillary supporters who are reading this, I will vote for her if Bernie doesn't get the nod. It's just that she is still bought by the same Donors that own all Republicans and can only go the Democratic way when they don't have a dog in the fight.

[yardwork]

19. It's cool to promote Sanders but NOT cool to call Hillary Bush 2.0

Promoting the idea that there is no difference between the Democrats and Republicans is wrong. There's a huge difference.

I think Sanders is great but please don't discourage people from voting for whomever is our eventual Democratic nominee.

[pocoloco]

37. LOL

What is infinitely more important is that there are major
differences between Democrats!!

[yardwork]

55. Actually, that's not infinitely more important.

We heard a lot of crap about how Gore and W were identical in 2000, and look where that got us.

Hillary is not as prigressive as I would like but she is infinitely better than any Republican in the White House.

[closeupready]

86. That's ultimately Gore's fault. He gave up.

He would have won if he'd refused to concede.

[Paka]

22. It is so clear to me that Bernie is the best choice.

I feel really lucky that we have him to support. Pinched nose voting is not fun.

[cantbeserious]

23. I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[edgineered]

24. caption this: Correct the Wrecker!

[randys1]

28. Where is that 3 minute video posted earlier....We need that in every thread about Bernie

someone posted "180 seconds and you will vote Bernie"

that one

[Sienna86]

30. A telling chart. Where is TPP?

[Cassidy]

33. She had no problem using the people of NY as a stepping stone for her ambition

I was living in NY when she ran for the Senate. Even then, it was clear to me and my friends that she was just using us, and the US Senate, to further her personal ambitions and drive for power.
I am sorry to say it, but I have a hard time trusting much of what she says she says she believes. I have not seen evidence that she will fight for the common person. I think she is a great politician, but we have plenty of politicians. We desperately need a great leader. Senator Sanders is that great leader.

[glinda]

34. You can include Environmental issues also....

[questionseverything]

39. yes hillary promoted fracking around the world while she was sos

poisoning the water for all

[raouldukelives]

57. + 10000 Yes! Never been a big fan of trusting our environment in the hands of Wall St.

We have a once in a lifetime chance staring us in the face. To address the failures of our fathers, to defeat the greatest evil mankind has faced, to be the Greatest Generation of all time.

We can either finally accept our responsibility for the future or we can continue to wear the rose colored shades of corporate propaganda. Either way is a conscious choice.

The sirens of ignorance perform powerful melodies and with every shareholder providing just a little more volume, is it any wonder the voices of reason are being drowned out?

[glinda]

35. U have earned your name.

[7962]

36. Ouch!

[daleanime]

38. K&R.....

[JDPriestly]

40. All great reasons for supporting Sanders over Hillary.

[SoapBox]

43. No! I'm NOT "Ready for Hillary"!

LOL

I like saying that!

[totodeinhere]

45. That poster doesn't pull any punches does it. And to think that some observers consider her

the prohibitive favorite to win the nomination. If we are stuck with her it will be a sad day for the Democratic Party. I hope that Skinner wakes up and realizes that before he pulls this site down with her.

[Divernan]

52. He's put all his eggs in one basket, by endorsing her BEFORE the primary.

And doing so in such an aggressive fashion, as reflected by the banning of NYC-Skip.

[SoapBox]

61. Hmmmm...

I was slightly disappointed in that.

[Voice for Peace]

48. this is the place to be, apparently, the best links lead me to this group

[glinda]

66. ...

[JayhawkSD]

49. The 2001 bill did not pass.

More important is the 2005 bill, which did pass. Clinton did not vote, Sanders voted no.

[Duckhunter935]

51. I am not ready either

[classykaren]

54. Will never be ready for Hillary

[fbc]

58. I'm ready for Bernie!

[angrychair]

59. I agree

I'm ready for Bernie!

[CoffeeCat]

63. Not ready. Never will be. She came in third in Iowa...

…the last time around. All it took to knock her (and all of her years of experience) out was a junior Senator who was barely known several months earlier.

We don't want her.

Sure, some do--but so many in our party (like myself) do not like her at all, as a Presidential candidate.

I'm sick of the Clintons. They have their place in history, but we need to move forward. The Progressive wing of the party practically detests her and the young, active contingent in our party are uninterested.

Plus, she's a corporate toe sucker. And a warmonger.

NO. Please. Just. NO!

[FlatBaroque]

64. I cosign your comment

Couldn't have said it better

[camelfan]

65. Fantastic! Sending the link to all my pro-Hillary friends.

[Jester Messiah]

81. I'm ready for Hillary...

to fuck off out of our party.

[Joe Turner]

82. This really shows where Hillary is really at

When she votes.

[tularetom]

83. I'm definitely ready for Hillary -

to stop deluding herself that she'll ever be elected president and just go get even richer giving speeches to her buddies on Wall Street and in the pentagon.

[riversedge]

84. I wish all Dem candidates would make a nice long list

of the issues they are For--issues that affect us.

[Faux pas]

89. Yeah Bernie!!!!!

[marble falls]

90. I'm not ready for Hillary Clinton until she clinches the Convention.