A Bit Of Perspective - The Democratic Party Is In Deep Trouble.....

[LovingA2andMI]

The MSM Claimed That Hillary's Win Was Huge, Magnificent, the Best Thing Since Sliced Bread in South Carolina. But, in reality, was it really...

According to the latest polling results, Hillary Clinton has upwards of 73.49% of the vote to Sanders 25.96%. If one was just to review this raw data, it would be assumed Sanders was "smoked" and Hillary has a "mandate" to go forward with her Neo-Democratic Message that has turned Temporarily "Faux-Progressive-Lite" for the Primary.

But...Not So Fast.

What if we told you there are 2,961,362 Registered Democratic Voters in the State of South Carolina. Now what if we told you that only 370,431 Democratic Voters decided to show up for the Corporate Media Hyped South Carolina Primary?

That means, only 12.51% of registered Democratic Voters in South Carolina bothered to vote on Saturday.

Where are these voters at? Where did they go? Many of these are the same voters who supported Barack Obama's win in the State, for the General Election in 2008.

Where are they? Somewhere else. Why?

Because although Bernie is an Excellent Candidate - they are unsure if he can win with the Party Structure having it out for him. That Structure being the DNC. They are not voting against or not for Bernie as much as they have zero plans of voting for Hillary Clinton's Democratic Party.

What does that mean for the General Election? Some will say nothing -- as South Carolina is not a State Democrats "can win" in November 2016 "anyway". But, that is spin in reality.

The Democrat Party is losing voters. The Democratic Party is losing momentum. The Democratic Party is losing any connection to its Progressive, Millennial and half of General Xers base.

To be frank -- this version - the Neo-Democratic Version of the Democratic Party is dying fast and a 12.51% turnout in any area of the Country among the core base --- with Independent's leaning Trump, Rubio or just staying home equals -- a very, very sad November.

Too bad the Democratic Party Threw Bernie Sanders Under the Bus. Maybe, just maybe -- he will take this moment to consider starting a new, real and exciting Progressive Movement Party after all.

[AZ Progressive]

1. Um, South Carolina has a population of 4.8 million

There is no way that there are 2.9 million registered Democrats there.

[LovingA2andMI]

4. That is the Data...

ON THEIR WEBSITE and it is a CLOSED Primary -- so Yes.

And this is on the website too: 2016 Democratic Presidential Preference Primary

Reading is fundamental. #FYI....

[AZ Progressive]

21. White population in SC is 69%, and most are not Democrats

This link here, from the same website, refers to TOTAL registered voters, this one referencing the 2012 Republican Primary in South Carolina:

http://www.enr-scvotes.org/SC/36831/139730/en/summary.html

TOTAL registered voters.

[LovingA2andMI]

24. Your dismissed from this thread.

Bye-Bye...

[AZ Progressive]

45. ....

this forum should be better than the Hillary group.

[AlbertCat]

46. Your dismissed from this thread.

You're.... as in "you are"

It doesn't work to be all superior and issue orders if you can't use the correct "you're" "your" "yore".

Fail-Fail...

[LovingA2andMI]

50. And you too....

Bye-Bye!!!

[AlbertCat]

54. Bye-Bye!!!

Oh boo F-in' hoo.

[Marty McGraw]

77. I Crush Your Heads!

[Milliesmom]

43. Purged voters, Voter I.D. etc etc etc. by the Republicans.

They are in the shredded basket

[davidpdx]

60. I was wondering the same thing about voter ID

Maybe people got turned away from the voting booth because they didn't have the proper ID. I think South Carolina is one of the ones that put a new law into effect.

[Faux pas]

2. If low voter turnout favors the

the right, do those results prove just how far to the right hrc is? It does for me.

[leveymg]

3. Both parties are in advanced self-destruct mode. The only question is which will destroy us first.

We'll be in a major war within a year, in either case. Politics and turnout will be the last of our worries.

[LovingA2andMI]

5. Agree.

Time to start thinking about the best survival strategies.

[Lorien]

8. Plus runaway climate change willkill off everything that war hasn't

that's why we can't allow Hillary to win anything else.

[JDPriestly]

16. My view precisely. And Wall Street has run amok and will further ruin our country,

destroy our resilience and make us even weaker and less able to deal with climate change.

And Hillary will not win in November. She has too many potential and very big scandals just waiting to blow up on her campaign.

If Hillary were a person who inspired tremendous admiration and love and not just passive votes, then she might overcome the hurdles that will be placed in her way by the Republicans.

But she is not such a person.

Watch the posts by Hillary supporters on DU.

They are empty, substanceless professions of loyalty.

They lack ideas. They lack conviction. They lack excitement. They are loyal but beyond that??????

There is nothing. You cannot run a campaign on that kind of nothing, on just a passive loyalty that cannot express itself with any excitement or emotion.

[Lorien]

23. I've been asking every Hillary supporter I meet to tell me just why

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they support her. None have a clue beyond "she's a woman and she can get "things' done!" (the latter part is very debatable). There's nothing there; as you say. It's unthinking brand loyalty and that's all. I've never seen such a vapid following for any candidate except "good to have a beer with " Shrub. Idiocracy really has come true!

[notadmblnd]

35. They won't tell you why here either

When you ask for specifics- all one gets is crickets. They do- do a fine job of obsessing about Bernie and work overtime trying everything they can possibly think of to discredit him often repeating themselves to the point of what must be exhaustion for them.

If Hillary wins, it won't be because people believe in her stance on the issues, but because she and they lied and bullied their way into the White House.

That's something to be real proud of.

[Nyan]

53. That video frightened me. You know why?

David also did an interview with Trump supporter that day (Yes. the Donald Fucking Trump), and Trump supporter sounds much more coherent than those Hillary supporters.
If anybody thinks idiocracy is happening only in one side of the aisle, think again.
I'll just leave this here. Look for yourself.

[jillan]

62. So much more coherent than the Hillary supporters. He probably knew more about Bernie than the

Hillary supporters - which is beyond insanity.

[JDPriestly]

55. Excellent video! That's so much the kind of response that I have received over and over

from Hillary supporters.

At best, they vaguely claim that she will "get things done," and "she can get elected."

It's utter madness.

It's really strange.

[CentralMass]

57. She can get things done, the wrong things.

[jillan]

61. Omg! That was pathetic!

[LovingA2andMI]

25. This^^^^^

And Agree!

[Lorien]

6. No, she's not going to walk away with it.

and if the DLC right wing hijackers steal it, then we'll vote for Jill Stein or anyone else on the left who isn't an establishment toady.

[LovingA2andMI]

9. The General Election Frankly...

Will be a blow out -- and not for the Neo-Democratic DNC Party. It will be for the other party as the Neo-Democratic DNC Party Selected Candidate will not win a majority of Independents, a Majority of Progressives will either stay home or just not vote for President and the Republicans will be fired up to ensure the selected candidate never steps foot in the White House as President of the United States.

[warrprayer]

7. ...

[oldandhappy]

12. 1%ers!

[LovingA2andMI]

13. Amazing Picture....

The Trumpster will bring this up and more to prove the Neo-Democratic Candidate true values and priniciples.

It should be interesting....

[Hydra]

27. One big happy family!

Don't the 1% all look so dreamy together?

[platitudipus]

32. Wow you'd never even know they were all packing long knives.

I've always found concealment a problem with formal wear.

[sorechasm]

64. Nice one platitudipus! Welcome to DU!

[cantbeserious]

10. There Are Effectively Five Parties In America - The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own Three

Republican - Corporate - Ownership Obvious

Republican - Teaparty - Funded by O, C, B

Democratic - Corporate - Compromised by O, C, B Through Efforts Of The DNC, DWS, DLC and Third Way

Democratic - Progressive - Sick and Tired of The DNC, DWS, DLC and Third Way

Independent - Sick and Tired of Both Establishment Parties

[LovingA2andMI]

11. Democratic - Progressive - Sick and Tired of The DNC, DWS, DLC and Third Way....

Count a Majority of Bernie Sanders supporters in this party and they are not going to vote in mass in November for this Party -- Democratic - Corporate - Compromised by O, C, B Through Efforts Of The DNC, DWS, DLC and Third Way Party.

[oldandhappy]

14. DNC chased me out of the party

control, manipulation, lies, dictatorial,

Weird but our local county Dem board has been behaving in the same way. Must be a memo out!

[LovingA2andMI]

15. Got a Call The Other Day...

About a Democratic "Ready To Run" Trainer Asking Folks To Become Precinct Delegates. Turned it down but next the discussion moved to the Party in General. The person said it was not enough Women in the State seeking to run for Precinct Delegates or local offices. Next the discussion moved to the party in general and how participation is down -- plus she is getting a lot of "folks are moving on" statements in her calls. The "Moving On" related to leaving politics all together, leaving the Neo-Democratic Party or joining something else.

And this is Michigan.

[oldandhappy]

22. Interesting.

I have noticed that some folk I know who have been highly vocal and strong Dems in previous cycles are silent now. If I say something they will say they are sitting this one out. I feel the sorry state of the Repub bunch have exhausted people and they are just staying away from the whole primary scene. Not a bad tactic actually, smile. Reduces the turn out for the Dems. Our local candidate workshops are doing well but are not full up of people wanting to participate. I am in CA. Our primary is not until June! The other thing I have noticed is people willing to talk about relocating. One family has contacted the husband's company about a possible transfer to London. Several others are checking out ESL possibilities in other countries. In 2012 I heard idle chatter about leaving the country, this time people are talking specifics. Thank you DNC. sigh.

[LovingA2andMI]

26. If A Local Race Does Not Turnout....

Moving to our Neighbor to the North as an Expat is a possibly.

[a2liberal]

59. I dropped my MDP membership a few years ago

When I went to the state convention and they blatantly violated the rules (claiming things passed unanimously when there were many objections on the floor, etc.) many times, always in favor of the more corporatist candidate/policy of course.

One thing I noticed at the last convention I went to was that the lady who used to give her rules talk (a very fair and open talk about how to work inside "the system&quot wasn't doing it anymore... not sure if she had just retired or gotten disheartened at the party not following their own rules though.

I don't remember whether this was before or after but I also remember being very disturbed by a scene at the national convention (seen on YouTube I think) where the platform committee had put in something about having an even hand in the Israel-Palestine conflict, which of course the poobahs didn't like so they did a floor vote to remove it. Which I guess is fine, but the voice vote was either borderline or in favor of keeping (against the motion), and the chair ruled that the motion passed and completely ignored the multiple obvious calls for a division (counted vote) which by the rules they weren't supposed to ignore.

Since those 2 incidents I haven't really considered myself a party member (or been one). I used to believe in the "work within the party to change it" mantra (was even a precinct delegate several times hence the state conventions), but you can't do that if the party is just going to ignore the rules.

Edit: found the video. You can see the chair desperately trying to get the aye's to out-shout the no's. You can see that he's bothered about it. Then someone advises him to just make the ruling anyway. The calls for division aren't too clear in this video but they were clear in the one I saw back then (and you can kind of vaguely hear it in this one if you listen for it):

[xloadiex]

33. Our Dem ward has also

After receiving our 4th "Official Democratic Primary Sample Ballot" today with Bernie's name nowhere to be found, Only Clinton and her 5 delegates, my husband and I made the decision that after 40 years we will be leaving the democratic party.

[LovingA2andMI]

37. Sorry to Hear That...

And Understand. It is time for a real 3rd Party to emerge from this fall out.

[sarge43]

67. I'll be changing to Independent tomorrow.

Time to leave an abusive relationship.

[oldandhappy]

75. nasty! wow

[sarge43]

66. Not chased us, divorced us.

The DNC found a trophy wife with a lot of money.

[oldandhappy]

74. smile

[jillan]

17. I agree with you 100%. What has happened to the Democratic Party?

We used to be the party that fought for the middle class.
We fought for workers rights.
We fought for programs to make people's lives easier.
We fought for equality.

Now we are the party that pushes thru trade bills that send our jobs overseas.
We elect Presidents that put Wall Street people in as financial advisers and big pharma reps to run the FDA.
We pass Welfare Reform that hurts those that need a helping hand.
It goes on and on.

And then comes election time when our candidates put people into little boxes with labels on them & then pander to each one of those little boxes, promising this and that. Then they get elected and nothing ever changes.

It's no wonder people are saying Enough is Enough.

We finally have a candidate that gets it. But the msm won't cover him, and when they do it's to tear him down.
When they finally decide to show his speeches and he starts talking about Wall Street or the TPP they cut to commercial.
People are just starting to get to know Bernie & it is happening because of social media, not the msm. So those who do not spend time on twitter, facebook, sites like this don't understand who this man is. They only hear things like he is a socialist, a jew, and he wants to give away free stuff, because that is what the msm is telling them. Don't get me started on the DNC.
Seriously, how can Bernie compete when he is not even being given equal time in the media. Yet at the same time they cover a nutcase like Trump 24/7.

And they wonder why people don't come out to vote. They have no reason to.
The democratic party doesn't stand for what it once did.

[LovingA2andMI]

18. This....

"And they wonder why people don't come out to vote. They have no reason to. The democratic party doesn't stand for what it once did."

Indeed.

[JDPriestly]

19. Excellent post!

[jillan]

20. Thanks - ranting tonite.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

36. People in other countries are laughing at us!

Talked to friends in Australia and Canada recently and they are dismayed at the American people for supporting an idiot like Trump.

[MattP]

28. Love Bernie but you have to vote in the general regardless

A new right wing justice and god only knows how many of us could lose our right to vote a case that was up is rural house representation vs urban and scalia died and its up in the air

[LovingA2andMI]

29. No... They Don't

And just to let you know a final vote or whatever is decided is for the PRIVACY of the VOTING BOOTH or VOTERS MIND.

[notadmblnd]

47. It's going to be 2010 all over again, except this time it is the office of the Presidency.

And the neo liberals don't give a shit because they are just as greedy and selfish as neo conservatives.

Cold, soul-less, heartless people.

[LovingA2andMI]

49. Yep....

Cold, soul-less, heartless people.

[in_cog_ni_to]

69. I always vote. I haven't missed an election yet,

but if Bernie isn't the nominee, I have my one vote to vote for whomever I choose and I refuse to vote for more of the same. As long as people continue to let TPTB MANIPULATE OUR ELECTIONS, they will continue to do so. I'm done with their dog and pony show. DONE! If Trump is president - THEY DESERVE HIM. Enjoy.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[PFunk1]

30. That's what I saw too-This was not a win but a warning

And a loud, but somewhat silent one at that.

After all now that the DNC has 'nominated' our candidate many folks feel that's there's no reason to vote. And as long as that meme is around no one will. Especially Bernie supporters, millennials, and independents-whom many feel this election is rigged. Combined with the way the DNC treats anyone who goes against their 'appointed' nominee then why should you expect any other result. Also-and I may be wrong here but when voting is high Sander's seems to be the winner. And Clinton seems to be winning in states the dems have no chance of winning anyway in the general.

So. If things go the same this Tuesday (and I think they will) -unless things change then things will go badly for the dems in November. That is unless the DNC stops putting their thumb on the scales, stops being more neutral about things and just concentrate on getting out the vote-period.

[LovingA2andMI]

31. It's Too Late...

For the DNC to GOTV. The vote is not there for the Neo-Democratic point of view.

Either way, good post!

[PFunk1]

41. Thanks. but I'm just calling as I see it.

I just hope others see the same while there's still time-as I do remember the reactions after Regan's first win when many thought the same way.

[LovingA2andMI]

48. The Math and Data is Not In Your Favor -- And I'm Calling It The Way I See It.

The Only Reason George H.W. Bush won after 8 years of Reagan is that the Republicans still felt energized to vote. Yet, after G.H.W.B. raised their taxes, and it was a three person race with Clinton, Perot and Bush -- the White House Changed Power.

There is not a energized base to vote for Hillary Clinton. The low turnout in Nevada and now South Carolina with just 12% of folks voting quantifies this fact.

With that, the Presidency will flip parties, just like after G.H.W.B., and Clinton and Bush and now Obama.

That's the way it is.

[PFunk1]

51. Ok, point taken

[jillan]

63. You have a good point about now that our candidate is appointed, there could be some Sander's

supporters that feel like why should I even bother to vote.

Which would be disastrous.

[libcrystal]

79. I am stealing that line

Not a win, but a warning. So true.

[Peace Patriot]

34. Great OP! Great thread!

[LovingA2andMI]

40. Thanks!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

38. The party needs to do some research

it needs to ask why only 12.51 % voted - maybe they don't like Saturday elections?

[LovingA2andMI]

39. Maybe...

Or Maybe They Don't Like or Care for the "Chosen One".

[silvershadow]

42. Where Bernie goes, I go. Whatever that may mean. nt

[elmac]

44. I am seeing the cracks

the same cracks that took down the congressional elections. Low turnout because that change and hope thing has run its course.

[Milliesmom]

52. Things have changed since 2008-2012

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/10/31/3587074/the-enormous-secretive-effort-to-purge-thousands-of-minorities-from-27-states-voter-rolls/



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States

[Milliesmom]

58. and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States

[erlewyne]

56. The MSNBC is in deep trouble - coincidence ? Hell no !!!

I am voting for Bernie Sanders !!!!!!

[Zorra]

65. I'm LGBT, and will immediately begin to take steps to leave the US if Clinton is nominated,

Clinton can't win the GE, and a Clinton nomination means RW extremist republicans will win large majorities in both houses of congress, and a RW extremist republican POTUS will be elected.

I will not be hanging around for the ugly repercussions and consequences of a Clinton nomination, particularly what these consequences will be for me, and the rest of my LGBT community.

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. HIGH TURNOUT = BERNIE WINS ----------> LOW TURNOUT = CLINTON WINS

WHEN LIBERALS SHOW UP, LIBERALS WIN. When LIBERAL voters are scarce in a state, Clinton will win.

Clinton is no Liberal and that's why she won SC. SC is Flaming RED. A perfect fit for Clinton.

But your point about the Democratic party being in trouble is true. I'm leaving it if Bernie isn't the nominee. They will NEVER have the millennial generation or the Independents after this election. A Progressive Party will grow from this seed Bernie has planted. The Democratic party cannot survive with only 25% (probably less) support. They're at only 29% support right now. Since they exposed how corrupt they really are, that number us going to drop...BIG TIME. I will never call myself a Democrat again if Bernie isn't the nominee.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Barack_America]

70. K&R for all of the Clinton supporters celebrating low turnout.

[TBF]

71. Early voting numbers are up for TX -

Of the REGISTERED voters in Texas, 9.7% turned out in the 2 weeks of early voting. Of that less than 2% are democrats. Those are the registered voters. Think how many more people have not even registered to vote. We'll see what happens Tuesday, but what that tells me is that people are not engaged in the process because they think nothing will change anyway.

[LovingA2andMI]

72. WOW....

Interesting early vote numbers in Texas. Again, a State that Democrats are not going to win in the General but, a predictor of what Democratic turnout will be, along with South Carolina and Nevada -- and that is low.

There is no way the Neo-Democrats can win with this type of low turn out. Rome is most definitely burning.

[TBF]

73. This is the link to TX early voting -

for any of the wonks out there who want to take a look. The repubs around here are pissed too. They want higher numbers to decide their local contests.

http://www.sos.state.tx.us/ELECTIONS/earlyvoting/2016/feb25.shtml

[Lodestar]

76. I think Dem voters are less incentivized to vote in a non-Democrat state.

That sense of futility is stronger than in blue states. So I'm not convinced
that Tx. or SC. are harbingers of voter turnout across the board.

[bernbabe]

78. But...

this is for the party nomination, this is their vote that *does* count, even if it doesn't in the GE.

[LiberalElite]

80. But they can show up for a Sanders rally -

I'm getting really annoyed.

[MaeScott]

81. this quote:

Too bad the Democratic Party Threw Bernie Sanders Under the Bus. Maybe, just maybe -- he will take this moment to consider starting a new, real and exciting Progressive Movement Party after all.

We can only hope and push. push, push.