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Baobab

(4,667 posts)
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:12 PM Feb 2016

Bernie Supporters should NOT demobilize-they should organize to fight the trade deals because..

Whether he wins or loses -Bernie Supporters should plan to NOT demobilize- Instead they should organize to fight the 3 horrible PENDING FTAS (TTIP, TISA, TPP, all of which overlap and are designed to be confusing, THEY ALL ARE POISON TO THE FUTURE AND HEIR PASSAGE WILL BLOCK BERNIE SANDERS ENTIRE PLATFORM FROM ABOVE MAKING OUR DEMOCRACY INTO AN EVER WORSENING FAKE)


(There is also the long stalled DOHA DEVELOPMENT AGENDA or "DOHA ROUND", which is part of the WTO, and additional and existing WTO deals in the pipeline and proposed, like the so called Trade Facilitation Agreement for Services - proposed by India which is certain to target "overpaid" US jobs- for low wage international subcontracting. Also the WTO Government Procuremen Agreement could radically change how workers are hired - leading to large shifts that could leave US workers unemployed and unable to find work without leaving the country, and millions others with no hopes of ever getting an entry level job because of others who will have much lower costs and be here on temporary, non-immigrant L1 or similar visas to do work for their corporate employers at wages which may be completely out of our ability to know or control) The teaching, nursing, construction, IT and many other trades, as well as wages nationally could be heavily impacted by these 'temporary, non-immigrant' contracts awarded internationally to the lowest qualified bidder.. Bernie supporters wont have any PLATFORM that works if they pass, Bernie will be powerless to do what he wants to do and instead will be stuck with overseeing very horrible changes which other people set up to attack the nation's security and strip people of all they have worth taking.. many of which things are intangibles and not enforceble rights now and they are promised to others in fact, behind our backs, in these trade deals. Also they are manipulating us with fake "crises" which they likely are goin to try to use to justify extremely bad policy mistakes. Read about NPS. As long as NPDs are in charge they will do that kind of thing as that is what they do. Its what William Black calls a "control fraud". Another term is "captured state" As in captured country, where all its institutions are captured. We have a global captured state.

Why should Americans care about "trade" deals? Because they hijack democracy, forever (they don't expire.)


Bad trade deals make single payer health care impossible by systematically blocking the things which comprise it.

Bad trade deals will block virtually every single kind of New Deal economic stimulus, they will block any increase in free public education, they will block any green jobs programs hat create jobs here in the US, they will funnel all government spending through things like the WTO or CAFTA procurement and e-tendering (bidding) systems which will mean that low wage subcontractors from the other side of the world will bid on, win and take over the work building public works, construction, energy until those fields are completely automated (and even then they may run them) because THEY will have gotten the free education and THEY will be the ones who WTO rues justify paying more because WTO rules require awards be by "objective criteria" and explicitly forbid hiring subcontracting firms based on country of origin, except in cases where is allowed and THEN they allow discrimination ONLY in favor of less developed countries, and the US being rich is deemed to have grown out of the need for subsidies and regulations (like minimum wage laws and innumerable other regulations that are framed as trade barriers by neoliberalism) and rules of every kind. Only the less developed countries are being allowed to keep (not start new) public :state owned enterprises" and "monopolies" like public education and health care. Every change they make must only be privatization This "programme" is broadly called "progressive liberalisation". So - for Bernie to win, everybody needs to become much more knowledgeable about these deals and especially HOW THIS ALL, what is arguably the biggest and most important change in the world in the last 20 years, has been systematically omitted from US media stories. For example, Bernie Sanders is being omitted because he challenges this takeover implicitly by prtending its not there and suggesting we do the things most of which were blocked during the Clinton Administration by GATS, NAFTA, and the establishment of the WTO. This is why the announcement of the US winning the solar energy case with India the other day might be seen as a not so subtle message to the neoliberal community outside of the US that the WTO remains in control and that Bernie's suggestions of a return to NewDeal style policies wont ever happen, quite the opposite, the huge amount of churning of housing created by the TTIP energy deal wil create green jobs that Indian firms are likely to get, because they are the qualified low bidders - not having to pay US wages. See, its an attack on a way of life thats been living on borrowed time while these trade deals were quietly prepared and readied for their attack on the middle class.

This statement is about the TiSA TTIP impact on free public education- it threatens its very existence.

This video is about TiSA, the trade in services agreement.



Don't be misled by her casual sort of incredulous delivery, Sanya Reid Smith is an expert on world trade and she is speaking at the WTO summer session, the only time representatives of the real non lobbyist world are allowed in (it being Europe, and summer many/most of the representatives to the WTO are probably on month long vacations with their families)

Note she describes the new and radically aggressive "negative list" - a complete departure from GATS - the Mode Four (international temping jobs) part of which had never successfully taken off under GATS and in the US remains little known. Because of the sensitive nature of the issue, trading other peoples jobs for markets. That's what is really the most important thing CARVE OUTS FOR ANYTHING LIKE HEALTH CARE NEED TO GO INTO TISA NOW OR "ALL SERVICE SECTIONS AND MODES OF SUPPLY" will be included..

What are "modes of supply" what is the "Fourth Mode of Supply"? Americans and other peoples jobs turned into bargaining chips, that what.

See

I especially urge people to look at the press in India about the WTO GATS accession and its attacks on free public higher education. Its easier to find than US media just search on GATS, WTO, India, education. Its all in English and it also hints at the trading of jobs for markets aspects of the big deals, the part you never ever read about in the US.

These videos came up right now when I searched but I have not watched them yet..out of many picked at random from Indian YouTube







We signed this agreement in 1995 but there was never even a single meaningful discussion about what we would lose in the US. Instead the nation was diverted with mindless health care discussion which was wasting energy with solutions which at that time we already suspected would not work. Now we know beyond doubt they do not work, BTW. So whats happening now is especially evil.



Health care, education, affordable energy, water every single thing in Bernie's platform now is arguably UNDER ATTACK by the MANY pending trade deals a- continuation of the attack begun in existing ones and their truly anti-people policies that created them which are literally trying to take over the economic aspects of the future, emasculating governments to only being rubber stamps that oversee an ever worstening ever privatizing never improving set of conditions, which politicians wont be able to discuss the real causes of, (because they will have to admit they lied virtually about everything of importance for their entire term) instead they will have to lie and pretend to argue and probably many will become alcoholics, etc. We will never get a single good political leader again, we will only get crooks and would be crooks and soon to become crooks.. These deals effectively lock the future world into policies that will make it FTA-illegal - and therefore impossible for good things to happen to people, because they will be bound to take some market from some corporation, even clean air will likely eventually have to be bought so legislation to require clean air will then have to compensate the clean air corporation for lost customers, Laws that remove criminal penalties for one thing will have to criminalize something else that imprisons as many or more people (in the privatized prisons, which will have figured how to collect huge sums for people who otherwise would not be economically important, by criminalizing them!) This is the nightmare world of CHURNING.. You see, real wealth creation takes creativity it takes a willingness to invest in SOCIETY without an immediate pay back. Most politicians are narcissists which means they have an affective disorder characterized by delusional thinking. But they are the most compelling liars around, (See Joanna Ashmuns web site on NPD)

Normal people develop their empathy for others at around age six. NPD people for some reason have that process interrupted, often its by stress. (this is the best argument I know of for having a state structure which protects families from extreme overty, no matter what the economic situation is- However the NPDs actually want to force a race to the bottom because its more profitable taking advantage of powerless people when they are down. That's the dark side of their "market based reform"-Most of us believe that wages should be sustainable, and not ONLY based on "supply and demand". That is a key difference, they do.

In a world where science can make almost anything possible, its unwise to let crooks take the maximum possible advantage of the poor who fall off the edge of the economic cliff, because more and more people will as the technologies emerge faster and the subsequent unpredictability increases exponentially over time. By being a good neighbor and friend to other BUT NOT BY SACRFICING THE WEAKEST AMONG US, we can make good relationships with the world. Instead they are trying to forge alliances between the corrupt against the people of both developed and develping worlds in a divide and conquer strategy. Both on the national and international scale. Read this essay (and others on the same and similar sites). to see how they do that. Its a bit old but it describes key concepts that are all still in use and as such its useful.

Read this essay about health care too if you havent already.

Its something NPDs dont understand and feel threatened by because creativity means real change and its disruptive. Free trade is really slave trade, its a way of enslaving the planet to a money is everything future when in fact, the argument for money running everything is becoming less and less compelling as we become closer to a world where virtually nobody would have to do unpleasant jobs because machines will for less, and so jobs will be likely done more because people like them, for other reasons than money. That is the future. The money has been good, its not going awy but we have to resist this attempt to lock us into a straightjacket made by people who arguably have lost - who lack the common sense to lead. Their endless drama and emergencies justifying this or that are a contrived and dishonest scheme to trick us into things which make the future dangerous for all of us Best to learn about and see through and expose this and it will teach us- only that will teach us to recognize it when we see it and back away.

and instead will isolate and destroy families and people and turn the world into a much different place than it could be. It could be a paradise of learning and growth for all of us because of the extra time people will have because of automation, or it could become a nightmare for us all and perhaps even lead to our extinction within the next century - That is I feel at least a 50% probability if these things are allowed to happen, and the way its happening is because of ignorance. I would like to ask people to do two thing. One is to go to the many web sites I am going to list which are all around the world and read up on these trade deals and make your own opinions of them. Our knowledge is being prevented from happening by an organized media blockade. So surf elsewhere where you will find more info, and make friends there.

Web sites and Organizations:


policyalternatives.ca

citizen.org

bilaterals.org

corporateeuropeobservatory

ourworldisnotforsale (or ownfs )

twnside.my

ttip2016.eu

tni.org

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Bernie Supporters should NOT demobilize-they should organize to fight the trade deals because.. (Original Post) Baobab Feb 2016 OP
If Bernie loses, TPP is a done deal. Who's going to stop it, Hillary? BillZBubb Feb 2016 #1
It might be a done deal bernbabe Feb 2016 #2
Of course, expect that. The Dem leadership all will pretend to be opposing, Then Baobab Feb 2016 #6
It's called organizing and lobbying. RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #3
Read the following links- Clintons are literally ASSOCIATED GLOBALLY WITH THE WTO Baobab Feb 2016 #4
The COVER UP depends on NOT discussing all this, SO DISCUSS IT Baobab Feb 2016 #5

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
1. If Bernie loses, TPP is a done deal. Who's going to stop it, Hillary?
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:15 PM
Feb 2016

TPP is a Third Way dream come true. Hillary will re-evolve on it (Surprise!). Then her and her supporters will attack the left for not supporting a Democratic president.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
6. Of course, expect that. The Dem leadership all will pretend to be opposing, Then
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 03:05 PM
Feb 2016

suddenly ZAP make a deal on a holiday or something and first thing the next morning it will be approved. By just one vote.

GOTTA MAKE NOISE NOW.

Or, start figuring out where in the world people could live and maintain a decent standard of living.

It likely wont be here. We wont be welcomed elsewhere either and individual Americans will all be blamed for it all. Especially Democrats.

Millions will flee and attempt to buy property elsewhere and sleazy real estate developers will happily bulldoze favelas and destroy the homes and livelihoods of indigenous families to "sell" the hastily cnstructed modern conods to the feeing Americans. But those homes will be built on tears.

Who can blame them for hating us, to them, we've all been getting rich soaking the world for AIDS drugs and blocking generics and forcing them to give up public health care and education, so that US corporations could reel in the dough.

Then we go there and steal their homes, there is a limit to how much they can take without violence.

First, though, they will just be venting. So expect people to sneer at you in anger, point their finger like a gun and say, YOU, your fault, AMERICAN, bang.

And you know, they will be the ones taking the moral high ground. You will realize that they are right.

Laziness on our part in this is inexcusable.


 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
3. It's called organizing and lobbying.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:21 PM
Feb 2016

Many of us have been doing it for years. Some things get done, some do not.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
4. Read the following links- Clintons are literally ASSOCIATED GLOBALLY WITH THE WTO
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:03 PM
Feb 2016

Just like Obama's Chicago school is associated with NEO-liberalism right wing economics, all around the globe, the Clintons are associated with the WTO and "progressive liberalisation" movement which is an ratcheting tighter noose on the public interest by means of clauses like "standstill" ratchet" "rollback" indirect expropriation, etc.

ISDS "Trojan Horse Clauses".

The 'progressive libealisation' lock in is accomplished by disinvestment in society - basically looting all the oublic resources and giving them for free to multinational corporations under the conditions that if the people want them back the taxpayers will have to pay for all their future value in advance i demand first.

They also get rid of the things hat people depend on to throw them into economic turmoil, a state where their misfortunes can be more easily turned into profits.

This has been done by promising others all these things and using the pretext of international trade with them as a way to bypass democracy entirely claiming that international investment justifies the putting aside of all economically relevant laws, to protect investors against unpredictable politics, voting and politicians. the fact is, nothing has changed except "The Audacity of Crooks"

They attack on progressives and liberals AND CONSERVATIVES is by dividing and conquering the planet by pitting the working people against one another on a global scale, by means of extreme competition,,


Why? Its in part because technology is making work extremely productive - which should be giving people much more free time.. to learn and grow and spend with families.. Any sane leadership would do that.

to keep the world from realizing that prosperity is easy if we just go back to common sense and reject the neoliberal coup on the planet.

Bernie Sanders by pretending that GATS and the WTO way of doing things never exosted, is trying to hve a referendum that never happened on them, honestly.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
5. The COVER UP depends on NOT discussing all this, SO DISCUSS IT
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:16 PM
Feb 2016

Nomatter how or what you feel about it, jsut get out there and make noise about it. Dont waste time by discussing their diversions which is basically everything they think up, especially their ridiculous wedge issues and cover up stories always to cover up the trade deals which are behind most of what is ahppening, REALLY.

Dont waste time discussing their BS compromises, just stay on message and discuss the trade deals which nobody here has ever even heard about BECAUSE ITS THE BIGGEST INTENTIONAL DECEPTION IN HISTORY and in which in fact in the REST OF THE WORLD are the REAL part - the US is being kept in a black hole of stupidity which prevents any escape and makes the truth seem odd and people reject it because it doesnt click until some critical mass is reached and then you will suddenly realize thousands of things you have been told for decades are NOT TRUE.


You and we all have been lied to a very very great deal by these so called leaders and media blockade..

I have to apologize for the US state of ignorance on trade and neoliberalism when I speak with European friends.

Europeans still dont get it, they don realize that Americans don't even know these things exist.

So GO THERE (on the Web) and ASK QUESTIONS AND TELL THEM THAT.

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