Wow. I would have voted for Hillary and encouraged friends to, until this...

[gmoles]

Ok, I read a lot but don't post often. And up until 1 minute ago I would have voted for Hillary if she won the nomination. I just changed my mind.

Over at Cha's ridiculous post about how people on the left aren't angry and that is why Sander's campaign is flawed, which can be found here, I made a reply about it being an age issue. (Read if you'd like).

It was my 13 post, and I have been member and reader for years. It takes a lot to get my to bother with a post.

Within 20 seconds I got this in my inbox: You have been blocked from posting in the Hillary Clinton group by Cha. If you believe this is an error, you may contact Cha for more information.

I can no longer post or make replies in the Hillary Group. I can't even defend my point or myself in future replies.

Is this now the undemocratic underground? This is a joke. We are certainly the company that we keep. If that is how Hillary supporters view the world, then I want none of them or her.

Bernie started at 4% less than a year ago with no name recognition and a media blackout, and he now is winning many national polls against a candidate that has the media support and name recognition. You think the left isn't angry? What propelled him so much in so little time? His charismatic youthful appearance? His household name? His Jewish ethnicity? His atheism? He is doing well DESPITE the factors against him because people like me ARE MAD AS HELL and sick of the inequality and injustice. When did so many people on the left become as ignorant and blind as the right?

I'm officially feeling the Bern.


EDIT: Heh. Cha responded with "no you can't guess my age. How arrogant." So I checked her profiled "Now retired and living on Kaua'i." I guessed right. No wonder she isn't angry. Sounds like a nice life that many people my age fear we will never know if things don't change soon.

[Duckhunter935]

1. not surprising

The only thing they allow in that group is glowing posts about Hillary and attacks on Bernie and his supporters. That is the part I do not agree with. A free Zone to post attacks that can not be rebutted except by alerts. Then they whine that posts get rightfully hidden. They even want to be protected from that.

[eridani]

2. Surprisingly, they don't even bother to talk about what they are doing to get--

--their candidate elected. I guess if she's inevitable, no actual work is necessary.

[Betty Karlson]

10. Total sycophancy is suspect over at camp Weathervane,

but ony because they consider it a particularly lukewarm form of praise.

[erlewyne]

33. If you read nothing else, read this ... by the Hillary group!

No, not wasting my time, I cannot remark, so I not
reading it.

On the Ides of March I am voting for BERNIE SANDERS !!!

[Bubzer]

42. Hah! I had the same reaction on seeing that one!

[Autumn Colors]

78. Best thing I ever did

... followed by putting a whole lot of them on ignore.

[Duval]

179. Me, too. And will be adding a few more.

[brer cat]

123. Unlike *this* group?

Why would you want to go into that group? Can't you throw enough mud in GDP and *this* group to get your jollies?

[AlbertCat]

170. throw enough mud

Talking about Hillary's record and failures is not slinging mud.... it's merely the record.

And you'll notice you aren't banned from this group (that I know of), even tho' you post baloney.


That's because this isn't a cult.

[Old Codger]

188. The factsa about hillary

Are in fact pretty muddy so most anything you say is going to amount to "slinging Mud" Even the truth which is clear is muddy in their opinions..

[bvar22]

158. The real irony is that the particular poster mentioned above...

...hated Hillary with a Purple Passion in 2008, and posted some of the most disgusting Anti-Hillary drivel I have read at DU.

[Rockyj]

197. I was banned a long time ago...

I believe for criticizing her ties to Wall Street. Join the club.

[Duckhunter935]

202. look, I was number 1!!!

[corbettkroehler]

3. True Progressives Are Proud, Not Truculent

When I learned that Mrs. Clinton created a section at State designed to promote fracking around the world, the environmentalist in me (I live carbon-neutral, by the way) was very, deeply disappointed.

I am confident that Sanders will win the nomination. However, if I should be proved wrong, I will vote for her in the general. That does not mean, however, that I fear a vigorous, spirited (but humane) debate about progressivism.

I have a Republican friend with whom I disagree on almost all political issues (and he with me). We remain friends because we can be respectful when we discuss politics. Besides, I don't think that Democrats are infallible. We are all human. There are times when the Democrats do something stupid and the Republican position is correct. It doesn't happen often but it happens.

This is why I torture myself by watching Fox News from time to time. Every once in a while, a truly valid news story is covered which would not be offered by the major networks, CNN or MSNBC.

I don't hate Hillary supporters, either. However, I would like to think that they would be open to constructive criticism. Clearly, Cha isn't.

[grasswire]

132. welcome to DU, sincerely. nt

[villager]

153. "Truculent Underground" could really be this site's new name. "Welcome to TU!"

I may have to start saying that more often...

[redruddyred]

191. "constructive criticism"

i'm told that's "whitesplaining" anymore

[moneymoore]

4. just her

she is still the best

[MisterP]

98. best bud to narco camarallias who need that pesky democracy gone? you bet your bippy!

[cantbeserious]

5. This Citizen Has 250 HRC Groupers On Ignore

eom

[Faux pas]

127. Lol I don't have THAT many

but it's getting there.

[Plucketeer]

152. I never use the ignore button

why would I deny myself so much comedy? Ol' Cha banned me from her cloistered group some time ago. Other'n the aforementioned comedy, what am I missing. Hell, if I want that kind of bull-headed thinking, I'll go to freeper-ville or Faux gnus!

[arikara]

195. There is only one person I have on ignore

I couldn't take any more of her rude, nasty, in-your-face, argumentative so-called "activism". Its much nicer here when she doesn't show up.

[eridani]

235. By the numbers

Sanders group
Number of subscribers: 907
Number of people trashing: 157
Number banned: 268
Ratio of subscribers to banned: 3.38

Clinton group
Number of subscribers: 334
Number of people trashing: 266
Number banned: 645
Ratio of subscribers to banned: 0.52

[Old Codger]

199. I quit counting

Usually add a new one every day sometimes I go to that group and see if any are left usually only see 1 or 2 names there anymore..

[griloco]

6. there is only one person I always agree with...

And that's me. So I don't get involved in the primaries and only always vote for the Democratic candidate in November

[deutsey]

63. And I don't always agree with myself :-)

In all seriousness, I had a bumper sticker once with an aphorism on it that I try to live by:

"Don't believe everything you think."

[spinbaby]

7. Welcome to the club

I think most of DU has been banned from that group by now.

[gmoles]

9. I really didn't know

As a reader here, things like this aren't obvious. Yes, I see posts back and forth...each fighting for their side. But I didn't know posters had the ability to permaban another user who replies to his or her post. (In her case, she permabanned me and then replied, automatically getting "the last word&quot . I feel like I suddenly plunged into a dynamic I hadn't expected.

Where are the moderators? Why can somebody who makes a post also ban a user who replies (without breaking any forum policy) with a push of a button? Where is the consensus? Discussion? Moderator agreements? Warnings?

Craziness. I really didn't know.

[magical thyme]

52. the "groups" are protected areas

Some are more inflexible than others, but the bottom line is the groups (including the Bernie Sanders group) are places where people can discuss (or dump mindless adulation) their topic without disruption by nonbelievers and without dissent.

Some groups (such as gardening or alternative medicine or one religion or another) actually do discuss their topic. Others are just echo chambers.

[Fast Walker 52]

13. yeah I was banned the first or second time I posted anything there-- so pathetic

I then posted something in the Bernie group and about 50 of us had also been banned. The HRC people are an extremely delicate and sensitive bunch. It's ridiculous-- when they should be building bridges, they are burning them.

[cannabis_flower]

75. I haven't

but I've seen so many people say they've been banned that I don't bother to post there. If I feel the need to comment on something I copy the link and post my comment in GD-Primaries or the Bernie Sanders group.

[Spirochete]

112. I haven't

but probably only because I've never been there. There is absolutely nobody in that group I want anything to do with - ever.

[corkhead]

118. I got slapped down by them over 8 years ago for a post when I didn't know what a protected group was

they didn't block me back then for some reason but I immediately put their group in the trash to make sure I never posted anything there that might upset their delicate sensibilities.

[Arkansas Granny]

8. Do I understand you correctly? You are going to let a bad

experience with an anonymous person on the internet determine your vote. You're certainly entitled to cast your vote as you see fit, but this appears to be a pretty poor way to choose a candidate.

[gmoles]

12. I believe in voting for a candidate I want to win. Not the better of two I don't

Again, this cuts to some of the fundamental issues that need fixing. If democracy is about choosing between politicians that won't fix the fundamental problems, then its not a healthy democracy and me voting, or not, won't have any influence on it. If voting doesn't create change, then its just a ruse. That doesn't mean I have given up on change, merely the will to vote again and again for people who i don't care for.

[denvine]

24. I completely understand your frustration!

It's very frustrating to vote for someone who you feel is a part of the problem and no needed changes will be made. I feel the same way, but if we can't get immediate change, we have to play the long game. Let's say Hillary gets the nomination. She will be running against any three of these wackos Trump, Rubio or Cruz. Remember the long game and leaving the gates open for future change which comes down to this, THE SUPREME COURT! With a friendly court we have hope further down the line. With a very conservative court, we don't, i.e., Citizens United. So, I respectfully ask that you consider this before sitting out the election. I am a Bernie supporter but I will not slam the doors on change in the future. Thanks for reading and again, I truly understand the frustration with the politics as usual and the ridiculousness of being blocked by Cha! That says a lot on it's own.

[Dustlawyer]

43. We don't have time for a "long game" unfortunately.

Climate Change is proceeding much faster than expected and we know Hillary, with her ties to the oil and gas industries will NEVER do anything meaningful to address it.

I was banned the first time I posted in the Hillary Group, which at the time I didn't even check to see what group the post was in. I didn't attack, just made an arguement against the point someone tried to make, all respectfully. While I am a member of the Bernie Group, I rarely go there.

[gmoles]

46. agreed

I think part of the anger is tied to the urgency. If its was "oh well, I think we can fix this stuff over the next 30 years" then the anger would be less. The two definitely relate.

[Hydra]

214. I think that's one of the major reasons for the sea change this year

The establishment assures us there's time for them to play for another 8 years, and maybe we can do something about it then.

I think at most we have 10 years to undo the damage of 30+. Now or never.

[ananda]

93. I got banned there too.

And I never even knew I posted there. Lol

[swilton]

119. Same here

[artislife]

111. We don't.

This is my number one issue.

She* will drive the planet off the cliff just like the other republicans. Slower, but by how much, really?

Do we even dare believe a word she says? I don't.


*She is the candidate in question.

[CajunBlazer]

144. So let me understand this

I,m with you on climate change and probably on a lot of other subjects, but please explain how letting helping Trump, Cruz or Rubio get into the White House is going help with those problems if Bernie doesn't win the nomination.

I get it, you're ticked - freedom of expression, etc. Is that a good reason to throw away the White House, Senate and Supreme Court it your candidate doesn't win, or you just venting?

[Dustlawyer]

167. Who says I am giving up on the WH? Quite the opposite, Hillary will lose and/or be

indicted in my opinion. Besides, the anti-establishment voters will vote on someone, Bernie or Trump. The Establishment is out of it, they just don't know it yet, or they have it rigged and will try to steal it. To put establishment Hillary, with all of her negatives, against Trump (even with his negatives) is setting us up for a loss.

I get it, you choose to ignore Hillary's dirty tricks, criminal conduct, corporate money (influence peddling), lying, and elitist attitude because you want to believe she will win. Your unsolicited condescension to me is not appreciated.

Bernie may not beat Hillary in the Primary, but if he does beat her he will smoke Trump or either of the other two "losers". He may not be able to pass all of his agenda, but that depends on us to make the political revolution successful, but at least we will be doing something to try and end the quid pro quo that Hillary is the poster child for!

[denvine]

229. I'm not questioning that.

I agree! I am voting for Bernie also, but if Clinton wins, it is foolhardy to not vote because then we get a conservative Supreme Court that will never allow us to pass meaningful legislation, Post-Clinton.

[Old Codger]

207. Best we can do

Back Bernie as best we can, hope he makes it through BUT down ticket is very very important too, no Dem in the white house is going to get anything done with the house and senate like it is

[ejbr]

16. Do we need to ban you

from posting to this group for questioning the OP? Oops... Sorry, wrong group.

[kracer20]

27. Hillary Supporters Follow Their Leader

gmoles experience can be compared to Ashley Williams, a courageous young black woman who dared enter the hive and challenge Hillary. She was immediately removed and silenced, and then Hillary carried on, like nothing happened. This moment was a Big F'n Deal.

[gmoles]

51. Except I'm not particularly courageous, female, or black

[kracer20]

99. Not sure how you got that out of my post

I was comparing your experience of being removed and silenced to what Ashley Williams had experienced.

BTW, like your sig line there. Love seeing how people have done a complete 180 on their opinions. I guess I'm just not wired to change my mind like that.

[blm]

47. I say the same below in my post. There's NO SENSE in this type of posting.

.

[intheflow]

53. Seriously.

And I mean that - Seriously. Voting for a president is serious business. If it's down to Trump or Clinton, I'll take the devil I know from my own party over the fascist who scares even Republican leaders. Anything anyone says on DU or any other political discussion group is not going to change my mind one way or the other.

[MariaThinks]

146. doesn't seem to make sense from a person so patient that they were

willing to read for years without commenting.

I was going to vote for Bernie until I read the person's email. I'm voting Hillary and telling everyone to do the same.

[Wibly]

203. Its not just one person over there

There are several people who are clearly entrenched in the Clinton camp who are doing this to people.
Any perceived critical review at all, or support of any other candidate, is resulting in a ban.
The problem is systematic. Someone over there is telling the crew to crush any sort of dissent, real or perceived.
That's a good reason to not vote for a candidate. If a candidate, or their organization, can't handle some questions, some adversity, and a little give and take, then they, and their organization, are not suited to the highest office in the land.

[Lazy Daisy]

213. I wouldn't repeat that

in the Hillary group if I were you, you may end up banned. There are a few there that profess that's the reason they are voting for Hillary. Bernie supporters are just so vile don't ya know.

[Arkansas Granny]

228. If I post in the Hillary group, it's only to respond to a post I see on

the latest page, which is where I saw this one. I just found it strange that a person would let the actions/remarks of an anonymous person on an internet discussion board alter her vote.

I really have been trying to avoid the primary arguments here. I remember 2008.

I have already voted for my favorite on super Tuesday, but will support the Democratic nominee in the GE with no hesitation.

[warrprayer]

11. Kick

And rec

[greymouse]

14. ageism

As an old woman (and a Bernie supporter who would never vote for Hillary) I resent ageism. It is a vicious bigotry that costs people job opportunities among other things.

[gmoles]

17. agreed

Thank you for this. But as a Millennial, I can tell you ageism cuts both. That isn't an excuse for either direction. All I can say is that young people are angry. It's not random anger, its not naive anger. It hurts when people who are older don't take the time to understand it. That said, I apologize. And would apologize on the other thread also...but I'm banned.

[greymouse]

18. I totally understand

the difference in opportunities now and when I was young is astounding. So is the crushing student debt. This is just one way our country has gone to hell in a hand basket and why we need people like Bernie in positions of power.

[Boomer]

31. I'm in my 60s

And I understand your frustration and your anger, because aside from all else, your road is harder than mine was at your age.

[GoneFishin]

40. So true. I had crumbs to start with. The next younger generation has financial vultures hovering

all around them waiting to snatch away any crumbs they might find by chance.

[DhhD]

67. Ageism and experience in democracy are separate. Your experienced by years, knows democracy.

And for the Hillary's Insider Club; 'Progressives ain't in it.' Experience in democracy is their excuse for slamming the door in your face.

From my democratic experience, I have made a list of those posters that I will not open up in the future because their judgement is not Progressive, in my opinion. The Hillary Group on DU has shown me that the Democratic Party is splitting in to the Progressive Democrats and the Bloomberg Democrats. Billionaire Bloomberg said he would run if Hillary Clinton was not the nominee. It was then that I realized that CHA-like persons needed someone to vote for because they would never vote for Sanders, in my opinion.

So: It is also my opinion that Hillary Group members will vote for another 1% like Bloomberg, instead of Sanders. I have never seen it written here by Hillary Group members, that they will vote for D-Nominee, Sanders. I find that it has always been written the other way around, that Sanders people will not vote for Hillary in the GE.

I am banned from the H. G. for asking questions. They have put themselves behind so many many doors that their DU names will be unrecognizable to me for a long time. The DU sorting process can work both ways.

Thanks for your post, greymouse.

[BrainDrain]

15. Same thing happened to me...

one post in disagreement about HRC and I am banned from the HRC groups....

so all I can say is....

group-think anyone?

[Madam Mossfern]

193. Happened to me too.

I was kind of taken aback.
I posted that threads in that group shouldn't be on the latest page if people couldn't respond to attacks. (obviously not in that forum)

[Mojorabbit]

226. I agree. The posts should not be in greatest or latest page

if one cannot comment on them. It becomes nothing more than spam. I am also banned after accidentally stumbling in there from a main page.

[LiberalElite]

19. I was banned instantly

from there too by the same person, who IMHO has some serious authoritarian issues. They behave the same regarding Obama. If we can't criticize polilticians/leaders here where can we? This is still in America, not the People's Republic of Democratic Underground (yet).

[Mbrow]

20. guess who?

On Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:17 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Wow. I would have voted for Hillary and encouraged friends to, until this...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280133381

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

It's always unseemly to call out a DUer, but look at the very last paragraph. It is ugly agism.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:28 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It's okay to write something like "old people can't understand the anger and pain of those in student-loan debt slavery", but specifically saying "YOU are retired (therefore old and ignorant)" is not.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Calling MIRT.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Stop already, maybe they will if you do too.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post is comparing how those who are younger tend to support Bernie and why and why those older tend to support Hillary.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Khellendross]

21. I was one of the leave it alones on there -nt

[SomeGuyInEagan]

135. Read the post ... quite an over-reaction to alert it

Refute if you can, but an alert? I don't get that.

[demosocialist]

157. wow 4 to 3 just wow... n/t

[bec]

22. I was also banned a few weeks ago.

If they have a problem with her record and still choose to support her, that is on them. Her record is out there. The only person who created her record is Hillary Clinton.

[840high]

220. They'll never admit that - it's always

blaming RW.

[Ligyron]

23. I think income more than age tells the story

because not a lot of young people have a lot of money.

Hills biggest supporters seem to come from folks who are comfortably well-off and it usually takes time to accumulate such wealth.
They are happy with the way things are going, wanting only some social issue, culture changes here and there as far as government is concerned. They have much in common with the upper class of the GOP in that respect although they're polar opposites culturally and nowhere near as greedy and ruthless economically. Broadly speaking that is...


Bernie's support comes from the other 90% of Americans who know they're getting screwed economically and every other way but unlike the GOP they know it's Corporations and not poor people and immigrants who are the cause.

I'll hold my nose and vote for her in the General, although for a while I told myself I wouldn't. The appointments to the SCOTUS in the next 4 years will be generational in their consequences while a President only lasts 4 ... 8 years at most.

There's no way she's going to appoint people to the court who are as bad as what a Repug POTUS would saddle us with in spite of what many on this board believe.

[gmoles]

34. Yes, true

But I do think there are a lot of youth from well off families that are in colleges or just out of college who see this struggles of their peers. They might be okay, but some of their friends are not. And so there is a more personal awareness of the issue that comes from being friends with more people of the demo that are most affected.

As I said, I can't reply. But people said "Nobody forced you to take out student loans." "I'm sure you had other choices than loans" "quite playing the victim." I really don't know where to start...are they that oblivious to the realities of my generation?

I should have dropped out? I should have taken a third job? (two jobs plus my scholarship was supposed to get my through debt-free, I turned down my acceptance to Columbia to go to a UC to not have debt -- then the crash happened).

Also, unemployment in my city after I graduated was near 13%. And over half of that was people my age. The average job posting was getting over 500 resumes in the first hour after being posted.

I AM THE VICTIM. But its not just me. There are real victims here. Many of the victims got it much worse than me. They lost their homes, their jobs, their retirement...There are CEO's getting golden parachutes of millions of dollars after breaking the law and ruining our economy. Why are there laws about that stuff? Well because what they were doing was negatively effects others (victims) . Yes, the ambiguous, hard to define victimization of a greedy, corporate system that breaks laws for profit at the expense of millions of helpless people is so hard to categorize and define. But it is a crime none the less. There are millions of victims for those crimes. Wake up.

[VulgarPoet]

124. "You wanted to go to college, you were clearly asking for debt."

Fuckin' ridiculous some days. Hell, I'd have taken a trade school if it wouldn't have put me through the floor in debt prior to enlistment.

[grasswire]

134. yes, exit polls show that her support is those who make over $100,000.

The "haves." Just like George W.

[sulphurdunn]

25. The Hillary Clinton Group

is an echo chamber. Just about anyone who's ever said anything critical of Hillary has been banned from it.

[IdaBriggs]

38. That is reasonable and fits with what the group is about - supporting Hillary.

I am a Bernie supporter. I made a quick snark comment about Bill, realized it was in the protected group, promptly self deleted and apologized. If I had been banned, it would have been appropriate, but the hosts were gracious and didn't (which I appreciate on principal).

Those who want to DISCUSS issues on specific candidates have lots of forums to do so - why bother the protected groups where they just want some warm fuzzy safe place to kvetch?

[sulphurdunn]

115. The comments to the Hillary Group

that got me banned were in response to articles and comments on the DU home page, which, if I am not mistaken, is not a warm fuzzy safe place to kvetch.

[IdaBriggs]

120. Trending or greatest page links from the Home page

Can be from multiple forums. As I said, I accidentally posted on one of their threads, too. But at the end of the day, the group's stated purpose is clear and if you ACCIDENTALLY violated the terms, apologies are more appropriate than complaining, in my opinion.

There are lots of threads to complain about candidates in GD .

On edit: I had put : P (no space) to signify General Discussion: Primaries which the Internet translated as which is VERY FITTING, isn't it? Lol!

I know your feelings are hurt. Primary season can be very unpleasant around here!

[sulphurdunn]

145. I replied to the original poster

to share my experience of being banned from the Hillary Clinton Group. I have never complained about being banned by them and certainly would never consider an apologize for ruffling their feathers, accidentally or otherwise. I couldn't care less about their censure. My hurt feelings will recover given enough time, group support. and a few beers. Don't worry about it.

[mac56]

26. Same thing happened to me, gmoles.

Without realizing I was posting in the Hillary group, I made a very neutral, non confrontational, non insulting reference to Bernie.

Within moments I was banned from the Hillary group (that I didn't even know I was in), and told I could contact Cha for more details.

I wrote a note to Cha but never got a response.

If this is what to expect from Hillary followers, I'm going to pick better friends.

[gmoles]

37. I was probably a bit more confrontation than you. But that's because I AM angry :)

[Cassidy]

87. William769 banned me from the Hillary Group after one mild post

I sent him an email asking why and he has never responded. His mailbox is probably full of such emails!

It appears to be an official tactic with the Hillary Group. Any comment not in full support gets the commenter banned. What a great way to forward democracy and be inclusive!

[Paka]

29. K&R

I grew up in the amazing post war era and yes had many advantages that are no longer available. When I retired I moved outside of the US because I could no longer have a GOOD life on my social security.

Over the years I have watched the deterioration and the movement of money to the 1% and the inequality and injustice it has meant to so many people. Just because I had mine growing up doesn't mean nobody else should be entitled. I am so sick of this attitude and what has become the norm in the US.

Bernie is the only hope we have. With a Clinton White-house I fully expect to get cutbacks in my SS which will make it difficult for me to even live. Our only hope is for the young people to understand how far we have fallen. We must fight back. Hillary is central to the problem and we do not need more of the callous and greedy bottom feeders that have caused us so much grief. We need to return to the core values we once had.

GO BERNIE!

[DhhD]

85. Paka, you have a clear view of what has happened in America and it is reflected on DU.

Being banned from the Hillary Group is such a relief. There will never be any need to support her.

[Paka]

91. I was banned on my first very innocuous post.

Enjoy your relief and join a very prestigious club.

[TheBlackAdder]

30. Many of the older people befitted from wealth created by a transfer to the Federal Deficit.

.


The Millenials are the ones who are going to get stuck paying the bills.


Also, a bit of Libertarianism kicks in. because they have had to pay for college, and other things, and feel that they should not have to fund other people--when they have not been able to benefit from that. Yet, they fail to see how their lives were made better by the ballooning deficit and short-term gains of off-shoring, if they were invested in company stock.


So, a little bit of Rand Paul behavior exists.

I didn't get 'free college' and I'm not paying for yours.

I benefited from an inflated deficit, and I'm not going to risk letting you take any of that away.


.

[monicaangela]

32. I received the same treatment with my first post on that thread

I believe it is a personal thread of by and for Cha. The message I received regarding that thread was the same as yours by the way. I was banned by Cha etc., etc. The thread isn't important enough to worry about challenging the decision. I have a hard time understanding why a thread would resist opposing views, unless the person/s running the thread wish to do as the media appears to be doing these days, sway the thoughts of those who follow along like a leaf being swept down the sewer...I wonder if they know where they are going to eventually wind up.

[AllyCat]

35. Yeah, that's what hey do. I managed to stay posting there for months and then

Asked a question. Was summarily banned. Consider it a badge of honor.

[cprise]

36. That's where Hillary supporters circle their wagons

against reasoned discussion based on facts (their candidate has amassed a lot of 'unfortunate' facts).

Its basically Reagan conservatism over there.

A major reason why I won't vote for her is the subject of this thread. She isn't remotely sorry for voting to give Bush war powers.

[dembotoz]

39. i got banned for questioning where the local campaign was in my state

i am a local party co chair and was trying to hook up a local party member to her campaign

guess i did not click my ruby shoes together in the right way......

been around dem politics a really long time and sometimes you just shake your head

I STILL do not see much of a grassroots for hilary in my area....if she is the nominee i fear nov

[blm]

41. I support Sanders, but, why let supporters of any candidate control what you think or how you vote?

Every time someone posts this type of sentiment it makes me wonder whatever happened to common sense.

I was banned early on for requesting that, for the sake of the party, they not use a statement that can be proven as untrue. That would NEVER change how I vote in the primary or the general election. All it is - someone being sensitive about criticisms of their chosen candidate.

Why pretend it is anything more? I don't think it helps make a case for Sanders, at all. In fact, I think those claiming that 'Berniebros' on the internet are driving them away from Sanders are being over-the-top and ridiculous, too.

Sheesh. It's the primaries on the internet, fer chrissakes. And some of those being the most ridiculous are actually GOP operatives who pop into DU every election cycle.

[snort]

44. Same.

A couple of weeks ago I was curious to see what it took to get banned from the Hillary group. Turns out it was exactly one post. 1.

It's their behavior that left me suspicious of every 'butt hurt' post I now see. Like a post about a family in universal agreement that Hillary is just the force for Civil Rights we now need. Sure.

[Doctor_J]

45. Check out my sig. It's a 2008 quote from cha.

The principles of the hillarians are a lot like those of their candidate - non-existent.

[snort]

62. Can't argue with that!

Cha knows! LOL

[gmoles]

72. omg. can I pleeeeease copy your sig for mine? haha

[Doctor_J]

74. There is one from hillbot Steven leser that's even more hilarious

No principles

[fleur-de-lisa]

151. Do tell!

I love irony!

[Doctor_J]

217. Enjoy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251658816

[Divernan]

84. Wow!Cha called Hillary a liar and panderer! Big friggin' LOL!

[jeff47]

106. Yeah, Cha was one of the more vicious anti-Clinton people in 2008. (nt)

[Doctor_J]

218. And now of course she considers Mrs Clinton the most qualified candidate in history

Life must be a struggle when you have no moral center.

[OnyxCollie]

227. Here's Maury with the results:

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
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And now of course she considers Mrs Clinton the most qualified candidate in history
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=134307

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Personal attack on a DUer.

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...

I voted to leave it alone. I've got the poster you're responding to on ignore, but I can easily guess who you are referring to. LOL!

[Doctor_J]

233. When I was typing it I thought I should try to make it less obnoxious

But I was in a hurry.

I just think that such blatant reversals of one's principles make our whole system a joke. Hillary hasn't evolved one bit. So those who somehow believe she was unfit in 2008, and is now the greatest candidate ever, are basing their coice for president on some bizarre combination of personal attributes and deep hatred of "others" - in 08 Hillary was hatred intensely, and now they have moved on to hating Sanders for some really foreign (to me) reason.

[Snotcicles]

150. Priceless! nt

[mwooldri]

48. After reading your OP and the replies here...

I might figure out how "ignore" works. Currently I have 0 people on ignore. Though it would be nice to figure out if I can block viewing a whole group. Name calling isn't permitted so I'll say it's no-one in this thread and certainly not the Bernie group that I want to ignore or block. Besides if things get too heated there is a refuge and safe place for those feeling the bern.

[gmoles]

76. So here is my thing

I didn't know about these private groups were you can get perma banned for disagreeing. So I accept the ignorance on that. But i didn't even know the post was there. Me, like most users, look at the greatest threads.

I think the logical solution is: threads from private groups like that should be excluded from the latest and greatest. I accidentally stumbled into somebody else's private group from seeing a thread name on the front-page. I wouldn't go looking for it or a fight or anything like that if I knew what it was. Take threads from areas like that off the front-page were less informed DU users like myself don't post in an area that is that sensitive for others. Problem (mostly) solved.

[jeff47]

102. You can "trash" a group. That prevents you from seeing posts in that group

on the "Latest" and "Greatest" pages. You will still see posts in the "Trending" and "Greatest" boxes on the front page, because those don't pay attention to trash.

To trash a group, open the group using the big list to the left of the page. The Clinton group is under Democrats. Once you have the group page open, click the "Trash this group" button. It's the 5th button on the bar above the posts in the group.

[mwooldri]

113. Thanks! Offending group now "trashed". Though it does sound harsh ....

"trashed"

At least until the Primaries are over....

[Duval]

183. Thanks jeff47. nt

[ellennelle]

49. i hear ya

i also got the whiplash - and inexplicable/unexplained - block from the cha, as well.

don't kid yourself. that woman is beyond angry.

and she and hillary's supporters are willfully ignorant of all her flaws. i fear she'll tank the party, and the GE.

but keep on keeping on with the BERN!!

you're right on with the reasons.

[salinsky]

50. Let me see if I understand this ...

... you're going to determine for whom you will cast your vote based on the actions of anonymous posters to an internet political forum??

Really??

Maybe, you should take a look at the lunatics who have taken over the GOP asylum.

Maybe, you should consider the stakes regarding the SCOTUS, regulation of industry and finance, climate change, foreign policy adventurism, etc, etc, etc, ....

I've been slightly taken aback since coming here by the immaturity and pettiness of the Bernie Sanders supporters, but should he be the nominee, the bad behavior of those supporters will certainly not deter my enthusiastic support for the Democratic candidate.

Some people have some growing up to do.

[mac56]

58. Ironically

If you had posted such a message with names changed in the Hillary group, you would have been banned by now

[snort]

80. Exactly.

[ejbr]

184. +1 n.t

[andrewv1]

70. I've been very taken back by the HRC Group's Republican type actions here

Some of the these folks remind me very much of needing an authoritative figure to rally around. They can get very defensive & dismissive from their daily talking points to their shallowness in dealing with issues.

Typical conservative mindset.

[StandingInLeftField]

81. Are you sure you're not thinking of the HRC group?

As far as I can tell they have a lock on immaturity and pettiness.

BTW, welcome to the Bernie Sanders Group!

[gmoles]

88. Questions for you

Are you confident:

Hillary wouldn't put a conservative on SCOTUS like Obama just tried to do?

Hillary will regulate the finance industry after taking so much money? Will she try hard to repeal Glass–Steagall? Citizen's United?

Hillary will take the steps needed to make sure we don't go past 2c line in the next 50 years?

Hillary will not overly engage the US military forces in places they don't need to be?

The more I watch this debate...or lack thereof...the more I feel like I don't know the answers to that. Something about seeing that post really ticked me off. It pushed me over the edge. I don't feel good about her or her arguments or the attitudes of her supporters. Now, you can call me dumb or whatever...but don't think I am radically different than many of my generation. Expect record low turnout if she wins the nomination. Because those things you asked about are exactly the things people my age care about...and we can't answer a single one of those questions with a yes or even "she will at least really try."

[Justice]

131. Some corrections for you

Obama did not just try to put a conservative on SCOTUS. Completely wrong statement.

Glass–Steagall has been repealed. The effort would be to reinstate it. Totally backwards.

[druidity33]

176. Sandoval? A Republican Gov? Not Conservative? nt.

[djean111]

89. How nice of you to join DU so you could pop in here and deliver a condescending and authoritarian

little rant, right here in the Bernie group!

Anyway, I don't need the nasty and overweeningly smug behavior of the Hillary supporters to determine my vote for Bernie - it is and will be all about the ISSUES.

We trade opinions here, by the way - we don't take orders. The little vein of authoritarianism sure runs deep here. And is ignored.

Maybe, you should consider the stakes regarding the SCOTUS, regulation of industry and finance, climate change, foreign policy adventurism, etc, etc, etc, ....

Funny you should point this out - these are things I do not trust Hillary on. Third way neocon hawk. I do not trust her on ANY of those issues.

[salinsky]

104. Actually, either Bernie or Hillary would be fine with me ...

... I find them both preferable to the lunatics on the right side of the aisle.

And yes, I think they'd both be markedly better than the GOP candidates on the issues I listed.

Sorry if I posted in the wrong "group". I'm new here, and I didn't understand that there are "groups" where dissenting views are unwelcome. I thought we were all Democrats. The vitriol is really unnecessary regardless of which candidate you support.

For me, the aim is to defeat the rightwing extremists.

Anyway, thanks for the warm welcome.

[Android3.14]

54. Many of the HRC camp are a tangle of frustrated inconsistencies

They cannot articulate a reason why they support Hillary. They might say, "She's such a great leader." But when you ask them for specific examples when she showed she was a great leader, they hem and haw. They might say, "I like her policies," but then be unable to articulate a policy that separates her from the other candidate.

When it comes to the issues, the HRC/DLC/DWS camp, especially the super duper posters with comfortable free time to waste, are factually and rhetorically bankrupt.

The only response that eases that cognitive dissonance is to ban anyone who notices the bubble from the bubble.

[bvar22]

161. ...."becase she can get THINGS done"

When I ask, "What "things" will she get done?"
the answer is always crickets....
except for one bold (and honest) poster who said that she can "work with Republicans."

[elljay]

190. You are right

I keep waiting for them to articulate specific policies of hers that they support. Generally, crickets. She's ok on some social issues, though as a gay woman I will NEVER forget "Don't Ask Don't Tell" and DOMA." I just want hem to say that they support fracking, think it will be ok to have a Goldman-Sachs Secretary of the Treasury, are not opposed to means testing for Social Security and think a $12 minimum wage is perfectly adequate. Why won't they say that? Republicans are honest enough to admit what they believe; why won't the Hillary supporters do the same? At least, admit that you only care about having a woman president and don't care about the issues. Just be honest!

I'm banned from the Hillary group, too, for suggesting that Blue State Dems should be selecting our candidate rather that Southern Dems whose votes will essentially not count.

[CoffeeCat]

55. I was banned from there too

I accidentally posted in there, not realizing that I was posting in the Hillary Group.

I understand that people want their own place to discuss their candidate.

I really wouldn't worry about it though. At this point there like a bunch of walled-off, caged rats, dining on a steady diet of their own feces.

[whereisjustice]

56. That group governs the way Clinton does. Either you are a conservative who hates the middle class

for being lazy and wanting higher wages, justice and equality, or you must be a pony loving, hippie, communist.

That's how Clinton will govern in Washington.

[7962]

57. I was blocked from the Hillary group for a post that actually DEFENDED Hillary!!

Emailed Mr ........ (who had blocked me) & asked why. NEVER got the courtesy of a response.
I dont think they were bright enough to understand what i posted

[randr]

59. Thanks for sharing your experience in the Hill camp

I had a similar experience over something so insignificant I don't remember it.
I am beginning to suspect that there are Republican trolls that alert on anything they think will raise a PC hair on the thinnest of skinned among us. They spent all day alerting on people and have turned DU, especially the Hill camp, into a swamp of hostility.
You made an important point; one that I am sure the higher ups at both Hillary's and Bernie's campaigns are seriously thinking about.
Continue to wade on in; DU is only improved by those who are not afraid of the truth.

[thesquanderer]

60. Yes, the Hillary group--even as the support group it is--is over-sensitive. However...

...you can find jerks supporting every candidate, and that will always be the case. Not something to base a vote on.

Personally, I responded to a post there that was about how suddenly people on DU are using "billary" which they found insulting, and I pointed out there was nothing sudden about it, people here had been using the term for years, and I got banned. But groups are basically allowed to do what they want.

[deutsey]

61. I think that WP article and the post itself

say more about both authors than they realize.

[SammyWinstonJack]

64. I was blocked from that group without even knowing I'd been in there.

I wouldn't knowingly go in there in the first place.

Welcome to Feeling the Bern!

[noretreatnosurrender]

178. Banned by Cha too

The same thing happened to me. I used to post a lot on DU but haven't posted in awhile. I signed up again just recently and was watching the most recent threads and one came up about Hillary's endorsements. I was curious. It was right after the debate where she said she wasn't the establishment candidate. The thread showed a bunch of establishment endorsements and I said something to the effect of....And she's not the establishment candidate?d lol. That was my one an only post in a Hillary thread because I got an email from Cha that told me I was banned from that group. I didn't even know it was a group. The same day I got the ban I got an email from DU congratulating me on my 10th post.

[Orange Butterfly]

65. I too was banned from a Hillary group

[WillyT]

66. K & R !!!

[EndElectoral]

68. An overly sensitive group probably because they are outnumbered here.

But it is difficult to reason with many Hillary supporters. They get their defenses up and talk about polls or delegates or endorsements rather than issues more often than not.

They really put blinders on if there is anything controversial about their candidate, and deflect onto something Sanders might have done rather than actually address the issue of concern related to their candidate.

It's a weak position to actually attack another candidate rather than defend the position of your candidate and I see it often.

[jeff47]

103. This isn't a new phenomenon.

I was banned from their group in 2012. My crime was saying Clinton might not win in 2016. No "can't", no "shouldn't". Just bringing up the possibility of not winning was worth banning. 4 years before the primary.

This was long before they felt outnumbered.

[Divernan]

71. Here's the disconnect between HRC supporters and reality

I never post in the Clinton group, and very rarely read anything there, but clicked on the link provided in the OP. Talk about hostility and rage directed at today's young voters.

William769 (46,920 posts)
30. You don't know how damn lucky you are to be young right now.

Hell, your generation has had it the easiest it's ever been. Your just angry because your silver spoon isn't golden.

You want to see what hard is? Look at generations past.

Here's the latest 3 to be banned from that group:
639 gmoles
640 King_Klonopin
641 marcopolo63

She didn't have the graciousness or civility to issue a warning or reminder, let alone an explanation - just ZAP! You're banned

The latter 2 posters had the audacity, the TEMERITY to agree with you and not the ruler of that group - I loved that you pointed out she's retired in Hawaii - a very expensive place to live.
As per the link below, you will pay half again the cost for groceries; 67% more for utilities; and 194% more for housing. Good for her that she has the finances to be able to afford it - but couldn't she squeeze out a scintilla of understanding or empathy for the vast numbers of young people who are struggling under decades of student debt and underemployment or unemployment?

http://www.bestplaces.net/cost_of_living/state/hawaii
COST OF LIVING OVERVIEW

Our cost of living indices are based on a US average of 100. An amount below 100 means Hawaii is cheaper than the US average. A cost of living index above 100 means Hawaii, Hawaii is more expensive.

Overall, Hawaii, Hawaii cost of living is 185.20.
COST OF LIVING Hawaii/United States
Overall 185/100
Grocery 155.5/100
Health 120/100
Housing 294/100
Utilities 167/100
Transportation 126/100
Miscellaneous 123/100

[DrBulldog]

73. I've said this several times before: DU is the prissiest sissiest political blog anywhere.

I have blocked many times and banned several times.

The cause is that it is anonymous and does not allow the general user to complain about insulting and hurtful blogs. That is, the vetting process is out of the hands of the general public here.

So I now post more than 90% of my blogs these days elsewhere in large mature sites that are not anonymous and have public vetting. For me DU is just a valuable information resource - it's one last redeeming aspect that provides me with some value.

[Locrian]

77. you're seeing why their ideas have no stength

They won't tolerate ANY discussion or criticism. That is the definition of a weak argument: they can't win so they stifle any dissent.
And your post wasn't even an attack - it was a legitimate story on your experience. Seems even that is not allowed.

They're in for a very rude awakening. Of course they'll blame everybody else except themselves for it.

[Raster]

79. PAR. FOR. THE. COURSE.

Some of the most spurious, shitty, little one-sided "comments" get posted in the Hillary Group, and woe be it unto you if you attempt to respond, challenge, clarify, or even question.

"NO, THIS IS OUR PROTECTED GROUP, YOU CAN'T POST THAT HERE. DELETE YOUR POST IMMEDIATELY. OH, AND BY THE WAY, YOU ARE BANNED."

I am 59 years old. And I am painfully aware that far too many in my age bracket are "satisfied" with the status quo and don't want to step outside of their comfort zones in any way, shape, form or fashion, and a Hillary candidacy makes it very easy for them to do just that. The problem, as I see it, is that EVERYONE does not get to share the status quo comfort zone, especially younger people and minorities. AND THIS MUST CHANGE. ENOUGH of this "I got mine so I'm OK" bullshit mentality. ENOUGH!

Welcome to the light.

[andrewv1]

82. After plea deals are being reached in FBI Investigations, I think you will see changes...

within Clinton's group here & elsewhere.

Certainly, the "Flying Pigs" won't be as frequent....

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

83. You dared invade the bubble?

Welcome to the club. There's 643 of us now.

[Madmiddle]

86. Clinton is shilling for corporation and

Billarys' foundation. They want money and power above all laws. We cannot let her win.

Vote for Senator Bernie Sanders... He has more class in his little pinky than the entire Clinton family possesses!

[bkkyosemite]

90. Oh yes. Cha.....

I was banned and didn't even know I was posting in their group. My post was nothing. Yet I was banned. I think they look at what you say in other posts and if you even look a tad not for Hill...and your post is nothing that should get blocked...it is. I think Cha has a block happy figure. When I got the you've been blocked from the group from Cha it also said you could message her back and I did...but of course and I am not the salt of the Earth so I do not deserve a reply. Oh well..

[AlbertCat]

173. I think Cha has a block happy figure.

It's like someone in elementary school who's in charge of the supply closet.... and you can't get a piece of chalk from them to save your life. It's little Napoleons.


BTW I was banned this summer because, they were all worried about how mean the GOP was being to Hillary and jokingly posted:

First post. Never even mentioned Hillary.

Ridiculous..... and certainly no fun at all. Meh....

[Geronimoe]

92. Two hides and banned in two days

They claimed I was Republican troll for asking about her Iraq AUFM vote.

[serbbral]

94. I agree with blm. Why would you do that?

I am sorry, but I certainly would not let someone that I don't even know or met in person (I am assuming here, correct me if I am wrong) from a message board stop me from voting for someone. I am no big fan of Hillary's, but if it came down between Trump and some other Republican nominee and Hill, I would vote for Hill. Just sitting at home is giving the repubs a vote. They are already stating how voter turnout for the dems seems to be low in the primaries/caucuses. After seeing the circus that has been erupting lately, I would urge ANYONE to get out there. Maybe it is just me, but I am not in the habit of letting others influence me like that. If I decide to change my vote, it will be because I studied myself and found something that I could not live with in a candidate.

[Smarmie Doofus]

95. Ooooh. Bern! >>Sounds like a nice life that many people my age fear we will never know if things...

... don't change soon.>>>>

K and R

[Arizona Roadrunner]

96. I now feel honored

After two messages, I was banned by Cha. Then I read that they could do such and figured that this must be a very intellectually restrictive site for only the Rah Rah "supporters" so I went on with life. Frankly I was so new to DU that I probably didn't even realize I was on the Hillary group site until I was banned by Cha...... I was on the Hillary group site but was just reacting to a message I saw in Home or latest threads. Live and learn except for some "restrictive" groups......

[earthside]

97. Read the whole thread -- it's like a personality cult.

Seriously.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110762505

It is surreal ... to call it the church of "The Inevitable One" in praise of the goddess is only to exaggerate mildly.

I don't venture into the HRC Group since being banned there months ago for a similarly rather innocuous post, so to see a thread like this one is a bit of an eye opener. I realize a little more now why arguing with Hillary fanatics is like trying to present facts on Fox News.

By contrast go to the Sanders group -- folks there like and support Sen. Sanders, some with great enthusiasm -- but you just don't see the same kind of obsequious worship of the candidate like is seen among the more fervent Hillarians.

What a weird, weird presidential election cycle: we have a Democrat who is running like a Republican on the platform of being a woman (HER); a Republican who is running as Mark Levin (but who Mark Levin hates); a Canadian running for the U.S. presidency; a Republican who sounds and looks like he just graduated high school ... and one brave and honest, not perfect, individual who is actually running as a New Deal Democrat.

I'm hopeful we can sort this out, but this is a very topsy-turvy year.

[Lorien]

129. It is indeed. Like some sort of mass brainwashing occurred.

which is possibly why they refuse to give any of us any reasons for their blind loyalty to The Inevitable One. They don't have any, they just "know" that she is THE ONE to keep them comfortable, at everyone else's expense.

[Mira]

100. Welcome! You have joined what seems to be a club, the partially disenfranchised DU member.

I got banned from the Hillary Clinton Group a few weeks ago after making a pretty normal comment stating something that obviously wasn't sufficiently HRC partisan and **boom** I was ejected by Cha. Since then, at unexpected moments, when I make comments in places that originate from the HRC Group the big yellow: "You are banned" (and therefore unworthy) banner crosses my screen and prevents my voice.

I went and read what happened from your link, and cannot for the life of me find a reason you needed to be chastised.
I'm glad you spoke up, it's shabby treatment you received and unworthy of our site. Some here seem to have become as stuck in their views and as immutable as the low information voters who chose not to listen or learn and then blindly follow Trump (Drumpf being his real name as John Oliver has revealed).
I see what happened to us as a knee jerk callous action that seems to be pretty wide spread, so the important thing is to not take it personally and to hold you head up high.

Actually, after reading the post where you wrote about your situation, I want to welcome you to feeling the Bern and learning more about this man whom I have admired and listened to (lunch with Bernie / Thom Hartman's radio program) for many years. And what I have listened to were never changing messages on many subjects yet always about how to help the people who are stuck in a country where the middle class has been usurped by the oligarchy.

In the words of Tulsi Gabbard: We have just begun.

[jillan]

101. I asked a question and got banned. No difference

than the way Hillary treats people that ask her questions that she doesn't like whether it's at a $500 per person fundraiser or at a coffee shop.

[tymorial]

105. It happens to a lot of people.

[joeybear]

107. I'm 66, retired, and doing pretty well financially...

I'm active in the democratic party in Manhattan, Kansas. I caucused for Obama in 2008 and voted for him in 08 and 2012 in the GE. I will caucus for Sanders this coming Saturday because he is by far the candidate with the most integrity and he has empathy for others which is something I don't see a lot of in any other candidate of either party. If he is the eventual nominee I know in advance that I'm voting against my wife's and my own financial interests, but I will do so anyway because I have empathy for others. I know many young people in my family and outside my family who are in dire financial straits due to lack of job possibilities and high student loans with politically rigged high interest rates. Bernie is the best person to change that along with other things beneficial to many people as oppose to a very few IMHO. With that said, I would love to be alive for the first Woman president, and will work just as hard for Clinton should she become the nominee. I think my wife will caucus for Hillary. So bottom line gmoles, I'm angry but I think lack of empathy not age is more the issue with Clinton, because she does have some young supporters.
I do wish the vitriol from both sides would stop, It's sometime seems like a somewhat more civil version of the GOP debates.

[Ligyron]

108. I got officially banned from the Hillary group just this am

Responded to a Trending Now post urging, If You Don't do Anything Else Today, Read This! or some such, not realizing it was posted in the Hills group.

So I read the article recommended and responded with a totally neutral post that got me banned within 5 minutes. I don't believe anybody had time to go back and read my profile and determine if I was one of the gold handcuff supporters.

Now I'm pissed.

Never read much in that group before but have since and yup, nothing but a Hills echo chamber. Anything posted there is usually some one sentence vapid nonsense like, "she's awesome!", "She's really going to be great!" "We'll show them a woman can win!" blah, blah, blah...

I almost feel like starting an OP in GD pointing out how that group is doing themselves and anyone here, all Dems in fact, no favors and their candidate no good in general acting the way they are, esp their leader, this Cha person who has banned a ridiculous amount of fellow DUers for usually innocuous posts.

The Bernie Group doesn't ban their posters from doing so here. Have a discussion, make points, tell us why your candidate's position is the correct one and supply evidence supporting it.

I hope the owners here are aware of how this Cha person is misusing her authority and they do something about it. Nobody Democratic likes dictators except for the deluded ones. grrrrr....

[Svafa]

109. I am a fellow former lurker, and I agree with your sentiment, gmoles.

I graduated college in '08. I didn't get a decent job until 2013, and even that job, while decent, still isn't stable. And yes, yes I am pissed the hell off at the system and the establishment.

[FreedomRain]

114. I understand your anger

I will vote for the Dem*, early voted Bernie in Primary here. I too have 23 people on ignore, a thing I never used before this election season, virtually all from the HRC camp, and mostly for their insulting rants.

You have to go with your heart, and I respect the decision to not vote for her based on any number of things, the fracking consortium mentioned above is a good one. But just because of her group here? It's as bad as the HRC supporters who won't vote Bernie because of some of his over the top supporters doing what they do. Don't give them that power.

Of course, I also think he is going to win, and this will all be moot.

*provided it isn't some crazy super delegate override. in that case, I don't know what I'll do.

[FighttheFuture]

116. Wow! I just got blocked by Cha, also. Just asked why it is Bernies job to promote Obama's

legacy. In response to Q#37 where Cha was complaining about "Sanders not giving the whole picture of Obama's accomplishments".

I responded in #70, which I will put here in case it is blocked:

Why is it Bernie's job to pitch for Obama's legacy?

Obama, a centrist pro business/fiance friendly democrat and Bernie, the left/opposite, aren't exactly simpatico.

While Obama accomplished many good things, despite Republican's, he also has some nasty stains on him. Remember when he was trying to strike the "grand bargain" on Entitlements and Social Security with his buddy's Pete Peterson and that reform commission in 2009- 2010? This would have led to cuts in these foundational programs that benefit so many Americans. Thank God the R's hated him so much they would not negotiate with him. Then there's TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) still hanging around like Shelob in her lair. We will see how that goes, especially in the Lame duck session.

So only time will really tell the overall benefit of his Presidency.

She then responded to me, but I was then blocked so I could not respond back. Basically, I would have said:

I don't perceive Bernie as running against Obama so much as running on his beliefs and positions,. These are not always aligned with Obama's, obviously, so it may appear that he is running against him, which is not exactly correct. I will also point out that Hillary is adopting more and more of Bernie's positions, or moving toward them. Does that mean she is running against Obama?

Alas, I thin-skinned Cha cannot take the heat. How does this bode for Hillary taking the heat if/when she is in the General and her gatekeepers will not be able to censor the rest of the country not on this forum? Sad....

[Blue_In_AK]

125. I saw your post a couple minutes ago and thought,

"Whoa, that will never fly in that group." I guess I'm psychic.

[FighttheFuture]

186. I did not think it was an attack on Hillary, or Obama for that matter.

Bernie is doing his thing, his beliefs. Obama and Bernie are not always on the same page. He does not have to shill for his administration, but I also do not see Bernie attacking Obama. If complaining about Bankers not being jailed for 2008 is an "attack", well Obama owns that!!!

If Bernie does not have the nomination, I will vote for Hillary. However, I am concerned she may not be able to beat all the republicans, based on that CNN poll, and others.


Dems vs Trump:
Clinton 52 - Trump 44
Sanders 55- Trump 43

Dems vs Rubio:
Clinton 47 - Rubio 50
Sanders 53- Rubio 45

Dems vs Cruz:
Clinton 48 - Cruz 49
Sanders 57- Cruz 40


This election may decide if our country even survives in any recognizable form in the future!

[virgogal]

117. I was also blocked by Cha,who is on quite a power trip.

Not much freedom of opinion these days,I guess.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

121. Bans in the BOG are a hobby too.

[Blue_In_AK]

122. You have become a member of a large and ever-expanding club.

I was booted on my first or second post in that group, as well, and I wear it as a badge of honor.

[Gwhittey]

126. I got a post hidden just now because I was kidding around with a fellow Bernie supporter and

posted a quote from Wikipedia. The post is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense. I read TOS and I could not for life of me see how this text would be "This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate." How is posting a joke from South Park Chewbacca_defense considered disruptive? Does anyone know what I would did wrong? Copywriter or something? This was in General Primary section.

[merrily]

128. I say the same to both sides: Do not choose a POTUS based on his or her

supporters. Also, the Hillary Group and the Sanders Group are safe places. The hosts are elected to represent the members of the group. Don't get upset about being blocked. If you truly think you belong there, appeal to a host. If not, move on.

You've cited great reasons to support Bernie. Focus on those, whether it's a Hillary supporter or a Bernie supporter who ticks you off next.

[forest444]

130. Cha rules the H.C. group with an iron fist, and your ban speaks to your bravery gmoles.

Especially given your post, as compelling a life story as I've ever heard. Shame on Cha for dodging and marginalizing it with that boilerplate "things are better under Obama" reply.

I myself was banned by Cha from the Hillary Clinton Group - something I consider a badge of honor.

Here's to you.

[SoapBox]

133. Congratulations!

Wear your Banned Badge with Honor!

They will ban most of DU...then they will ban the World...and lastly they will eat each other.

I would expect another Clinton Administration to also be mean and nasty...however she will never make it to the White House.

[freebrew]

136. Yeah, I'm banned too...

tight knit community of...what...3?

[mahina]

137. Just the Hillary group? That's ok though, right?

My understanding is that the Hillary and Bernie groups are home base for their own supporters.

I accidentally posted in the Hillary group a couple of times, but wouldn't be surprised or offended to get the heave ho. Kind of like if a Hillary supporter attended one of our campaign organizing meetings. I'd be polite but let them know they were at the wrong meeting, and walk them out.

Cha is a very nice person btw, and living here has its own struggles, believe me, esp on a fixed income.

I read you about not posting much...I've been reading DU since Jan. 21 2001, but only joined in 2003. Less than 7k posts but I meant every one.

Eyes on the prize of the number that counts- how many delegates we have at the end of the race.

I'm feeling the Bern too! Fired up, ready to go!

[litlbilly]

139. Also, congrats on your bannishment, welcome to the club of actual decent people.

[jalan48]

140. Power trip? Hillary Bros?

[zentrum]

141. Yes, I was blocked there

…..too by Cha for posting something which I thought was rather mild. Didn't even know I was in their group until blocked, so they did me a favor, so I won't make that mistake again.

[freebrew]

142. I don't know how to address this issue...

or if it fits in this thread.

Today I put an HRC poster on ignore. Big deal, you say?
It is for me. I thought long before I did it.

The post from her/him(not even to me) asked if Americans thought for some reason they should have the jobs
that H-1B visa holders are taking. Wondering why they should be upset for this happening. And chiding them for
their feeling of being owed these jobs.

This person is also apparently a 1%er for Hillary and very vocal about it.

Welcome to Hillary's new party...

[Phlem]

143. I was told to "get behind her or move out of the way"By a noob.

It is what it is and your in good company.

On the plus side you should feel more relaxed with every passing day.

[billhicks76]

147. Hawaii Is Paradise...This Is Pair-O-Dice

I like shopping at Papayas with Arnold and Demi too but if you think they can relate to what is happening then you are as much living in a BUBBLE as Bush supporters and Dittoheads. There could easily be a violent revolution in this country and not just instigated by Conservatives. I 100% blame moderate Clintonites for what happens when the shit hits the fan...for the poverty and police brutality that is only going to get worse. Keep living in your Ivory Towers...you're "good" life wont last long due to something called reality. The masses are fed up on both sides and things change VERY quickly. My family are genocide survivors...I know how quickly things change and they change way quicker these days as the rates of information accelerate double more rapidly with each year. This is not the future we all want but unfortunately ego and opportunism still infect our party as the elites in our own party got a taste of millions of dollars...I know many of them and at this point they are doing nothing but enriching themselves and tossing a few bones to social causes to make themselves look good and appease their guilt. They underestimate the stupidity of people in the middle who arent politically savvy. I cant tell you how many people Ive run into who say they will either vote for Sanders or Trump. They old candidates are done and it doesnt matter why or how or how evil Trump is because they are fed up and over it. And they are the ones voting. Unfortunately, Clinton and DWS made sure Democrats got no media attention and handed all the promotional fervor to Trump. Clinto cant rebound and fight that later because its too late.

[YOHABLO]

148. Yep, same thing happened to me. Some overly sensitive poster didn't like what I said.

This is very undemocratic for this site to allow this. But what can I do? I have no power over this. I didn't make the rules. It would seem that the Clinton crowd wants to stick their fingers in their ears and scream la la la la la. Yeah, her record doesn't jibe with me, and I can't trust her decision making. She talks the talk, thanks to Senator Sanders, but will she walk the walk?

[Snotcicles]

149. FeelTheScorn. nt

[dchill]

154. Welcome to the discussion...

Where it's allowed.

[Dont call me Shirley]

155. Welcome to the Bernie Group, gmoles, where inclusion and diversity are welcome...

[left-of-center2012]

156. My 1st post there got me blocked too

I simply asked what HRC's position is on a topic of interest to me.
I was blocked, and that action was cheered by that forum's members.

[lexington filly]

159. I think of the Hillary and Bernie groups as clubs of like-minded folks

who want to support their candidates and one another unlike in General Discussions where there are free for alls and super conflict. Just as in an Alcoholics Anon group, someone showing up and encouraging the members to tie one on would meet with animosity, these groups have already drawn their lines in the sand. They've already decided who they support for president. If they wanted to fight about it, they wouldn't be in their support groups. That's my take anyway.

[demosocialist]

160. I am very sorry for the responses to your story on the link

for the life of me I have never seen the DUers saying so many RW talking points and it being taken as normal... we live in a new age I guess...

Again, I am sorry for the responses especially as a fellow Duer who has student loan debt and reads the site more than posts

[AzDar]

162. I was blocked, too... had no idea it existed.

[dana_b]

163. Yeah, I just got back from a short vacation to Kaua'i

yesterday and the majority of the inhabitants are natives and/or retirees. So - you're right!! It's a very nice life for those that can afford it.

Btw - welcome and we're glad that you're here!

[dcmfox]

164. Oh please

So you got blocked and what? You gonna vote republican now? Grow up.

[Curmudgeoness]

165. If you are not blowing bubbles

up a lot of asses over there, you are automatically the enemy. Sad, but true. I don't think that there is another group with so many posters blocked in the history of DU, but that is ok with them. No questions or concerns allowed.

Now, get off of my lawn. And their group.

[Sunlei]

166. so if Mrs. Clinton wins the nomination will you not vote in the general election?

[Goblinmonger]

168. I'm sorry for the responses you got in that thread

I think the lack of so many Clinton supporters to understand the millennials is going to hurt Clinton greatly if she is the nominee.

My children are both in college and they are lucky enough to be able to get out of school with no loans. My daughter has had to take out loans for grad school because we don't have the funds to pay for grad school. But, compared to you and a lot of people in the same boat as you, she is immensely lucky.

If people are mad about what is happening right now, they aren't paying attention and are part of the problem.

This Gen X'er understands where you are coming from and feels for you.

[Bluenorthwest]

169. Let's take a look back, a Cha Retrospective, Cha's 2008 Greatest Hits...

"Not only is she dissing Blacks but she's dissing Southern Whites. hilary can't win for race baiting. Not your last century Jesse Helms races, hilary. Wake The Fuck UP."

"You give hilary too much credit..she's rendered herself invalid. hilary's words hurt hilary..who cares what she says anymore?"

"Edwards: "Clinton didn't choose words well on race"

John's a diplomat as well as Obama and that's good. The only one who doesn't give a shit is hilary."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5927087

" A more pertinent question would be..Did hilary run a whiney campaign and if so ..why?
Personally, I am ashamed of all these women who are acting like petulant children..and, so proud of the women who are for Obama with their strong, thoughtful endorsements. That's what real women do..they oppose gratuitious, politically expedient WARS."

"Kick for the TYT's righteous rant on hilary's so-called "sexist" whine and dumbfuck hypocricy."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6186699

So Cha is in fact one of the Historic Great DU Hillary Bashers, uses one 'L' to spell Hillary back then and everything.
It impossible to take such opposite positions stated by the same person with extreme and absolute certainty as anything other than a prank.....

[progressoid]

219. Wow.

Wonder how many Hillary supporter here know her history.

[Bluenorthwest]

230. I wonder how many Hillary supporters did the same thing and the answer is many, many.

What it comes down to is they fling the same mud at whomever their rival is, last time it was the racist liar Hillary, this time the racist liar Bernie. Same tropes, same materials. Many of her current 'supporters' were just as nasty toward her in 08 as Cha. Those are the people who spent months convincing us all she was a horrible, corrupt person. They really should be asked by the community to explain their actions and why they use such intense and extreme hateful language first against Hillary then for Hillary.

[mrdmk]

234. Interesting to say the least, my major complaint around here is some posters do more to shut down

discussion rather than examine and reason. Unfortunately, there is such a fine line in a call-out verse pointing out hypocrisy from one moment to another. It becomes so lame your only recourse is to these posters on ignore, thus cutting yourself off from the conversation.

Now, when you have a poster on ignore, anybody who replies to the hidden poster is also hidden, further shutting down discussion.

[Puglover]

231. Your search skills are legend.

Your post is a perfect example of why these people make me giggle. The BOG redux. However this time there is no ´hope´ at least for me.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

171. I understand and agree.

Since any form of criticism will be silenced in the Hillary group I'd suggest bringing the post to the general discussion: primary board. There you will be able to share your opinions without fear of being silenced.

Insular communities that quell differing opinions are not beneficial in the long run.

Always have an open mind. Always seek answers.

[ymetca]

172. DU is the best

blog site, bar none. I find out all sorts of interesting things here, often before they get widely publicized anywhere else. Insights, opinions, and shocking facts about just how corrupt our politics really are. DU ain't slick. But it's cool.

I don't mind being told how stupid I am on a subject, especially when the critique is sharp, and really funny. Beats me why people want to confine themselves to some insular sub-blog.

That being said, I have been perhaps under the misconception that by "democratic" we simply mean every vote counts. It's kind of the whole point that such an idea is "underground". Humanity has yet to achieve a true, global democracy.

And the planet needs one. Badly.

I voted for Bernie in the primary and he won our state. Yay! But, of course, it is absolutely pointless because my state is so red they voted for Ted f*ckin' Cruz. A bible-thumpin' sociopath.

And therein lies the rub. It's all just wheel-spinnin' while the world of Mad Max continues to race upon us.

[SusanLarson]

174. Welcome to the Club

Welcome to the club. I was blocked by Cha too. These groups are political discussion groups and not support networks. They should not be allowed to block for any posting which does not clearly violate the terms of service.

I also think that groups which do this should be blocked from appearing in the front page boxes.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

175. you wont vote for hillary because someone was mean to you on the internet?

lol

[Duval]

177. I got the same message from Cha.

So, you are not alone. I'd rather be in this group any day. And yes, the left is angry. The right is angry, also, hence Trump's ongoing success. I am proud to be a Bernie supporter. He has begun a movement that will continue to grow as more and more become aware of the grave injustice of Wall Street billionaires getting the Money THEY have worked for.

I am in the "old folks" category. I have two granddaughters who graduated in 2015, have jobs, but also student debts of $30,000 each.
Needless to say, they are for Bernie.

[MuseRider]

180. I suspect most of us

are banned there.

Relax and join this group.

Nothing is better than having a candidate you can trust who is in it for all of us and has held real Democratic principles for decades. Not a gamer, without triangulation. A genuine good guy.

This is a happy place.

[hopeforchange2008]

181. Cha is very quick w the ban

i was just banned from the Hillary group.

No loss, because there is such tunnel-vision there. They have no tolerance for anything that suggests Hillary is flawed.

[Cleita]

182. Well, you just got banned into a very big club.

I got banned for saying I was disappointed with her speech when she announced her candidacy. So I guess I'm a legacy bannee. There is no room for debate within the Hillary cult. Welcome to the real world.

[ejbr]

185. Well, I'm not banned...

...oh wait...yes, I am...never mind.

[Old Codger]

187. LOL

welcome to the club, sadly it is not all that exclusive, rather pretty much "inclusive" which is it seems to include all sander supporters just because

[valerief]

189. Welcome to the Banned from Hillary Group Club. We're a pretty big club now! And proud of it. nt

[Jenny_92808]

196. I too was banned and proud to be a member of the

"Banned from Hillary Group Club"

[Depaysement]

192. Banned too

Same way.

I am curious about one thing. How'd you come to select the name " gmoles?"

[awoke_in_2003]

194. So, you are not going to vote...

for her if she wins the nomination because of what some people on the Internet did? I got blocked from that group for a ridiculous reason (I thanked an admin for Jackpine Radicals for locking down a post celebrating the fact that they had got a post of Cha's blocked here- there was a discussion about it in the HRC group). It was silly. I was a bit butt hurt about it. But that is not HRC's fault. For the record, I support Sanders.

[rhett o rick]

204. People I've spoken to aren't going to vote for H. Clinton because they (1.) were betrayed when

she turned her back on us and hippy-hopped over to the Republicons and bowed before George the Idiot King. She didn't just vote for the resolution she encouraged others to follow her to the Dark Side. She and those that joined her all have blood on their hands. Millions of innocent women and children were brutally murdered and the best we've gotten from her is that it was a "mistake". Really? Some of us were screaming at the top of our lungs at the time that it was a mistake. Actually I don't believe she thinks it was a mistake. Many of her friends got super rich from that mistake and possibly she even benefited her self indirectly.

(2.) She championed the elimination New Deal regulations that lead to the big bank crisis. Funny term "bank crisis" when her friends at the banks all made out like bandits. 5 trillion dollars was transferred from the 99% to her friends in the 1%. She probably indirectly profited from that also.

(3.) Just as importantly, she used her toughness to help the Prisons For Profits industry as Ashley Williams points out:

“Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.

The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.”

“Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”

Of course the Prisons For Profits have been very grateful to H. Clinton for their enormous profits.

I could go on and on, I didn't even get into the fact that she chooses oil company profits over clean water for us peons, or sending jobs overseas via horrible trade agreements.

Many I know are tired of being manipulated into the "better of evils" bullshit and just as soon see it all come down rather than die a slow death. Fuck those that put corporate profits before the health care and food for the 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty.

[Wibly]

198. Welcome to the club

I was banned for asking a question. The question concerned Clinton's record on war, and included the fact Sanders had voted against it.
I was booted out of there almost as fast as you.
They're really sensitive.
I guess they haven't realized that, in order to win, they are going to have to win people over, and that won't be done by booting people out of their social media closet.

[Ivan Kaputski]

200. "Is this now the undemocratic underground?"

There's nothing "underground" about it any more. It is Turd Way-DLC-establishment.

[rhett o rick]

205. The majority here still support Democratic democracy, but we often get out-shouted by the

minority that have chosen to put their principles on hold in favor of supporting the Clinton Aristocracy.

[Ivan Kaputski]

206. It's class war and it's time for people to wake the fuck up about it.

We're listening to rich fuckers telling us what the news is and rich fuckers backing their candidates and rich fuckers turning the 98% into low wage serfs and idiot voters swooning over rich fucking candidates ...and their offspring.

[rhett o rick]

221. It's a class war and those that support Clinton either are in denial or actually worship

the rich.

I got this from another poster here:

"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"

Those that support Goldman-Sachs don't care if things get worse for those living in poverty.

[Ivan Kaputski]

222. ^ this ^

[Feeling the Bern]

201. Cha did the same thing to me. Dissent is disloyalty over there. Party over principles

[cui bono]

208. You should have gone out like I did!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=6967

Okay, wait... so you want to 'tattle' on Bernie supporters of DU?

You were the one calling Bernie supporters childish all over another thread.

Now, before I continue, I saw this OP on the Greatest Page so that's why I clicked on it. I did not come into the group looking for trouble.

I'll tell you something I see in here though. In the top 8 posts of this Hillary group are two that are complaining about Bernie supporters, this one plotting against them.

In the entire first page of posts in the Bernie group you don't find anything similar at all, they are all about Bernie himself, or something to do with him, but certainly not about Hillary supporters.

A couple weeks ago (I think around then) there was a negative post about Hillary supporters and it was locked and self-deleted and several Bernie supporters, myself included, asked in the OP (and I sent a pm to a host asking for the OP to be deleted/locked) to not do that. As I said, the OP was locked and self-deleted.

I realize the whole Bernie supporters are mean and childish is the new thing on DU, but we are not plotting as a group against Hillary supporters like this OP is. And when there was a negative post about Hillary supporters it was taken down due to the dislike of it, it was not cheered on as this OP is, or the one about Ghadaffi is. We aren't looking at this as a war between supporters as this group seems to based on these two well regarded OPs.

Also, I have had a personal experience with a very active Hillary supporter where they edited a post well after I had replied and they had replied to me again. It was a very dishonest thing to do, editing a post to make it seem that my response was completely wrong. I don't attribute that to all Hillary supporters though. I look at people based on their posts and actions on DU.

How about you do the same and worry about your own OPs and posts and don't look at this as a war between supporters and use this group to plot against the 'others'. To ask what you guys keep asking Bernie supporters.. is this the way you think Hillary would want you to act?

.

[d_legendary1]

209. How can her supporters talk about inclusion if they're banning anyone with a legitimate concern?

I don't bother going over there for anything since they're always talking about made up Bernie crap and how great Shillary is (I see the headline in the trending and know its the HRC group...no thanks). I'm 33 and I feel ya cuz! I'm lucky to be working for company that still offers pensions (imagine that) but should they ever be bought out by Mittens or someone like him there goes my pension. We need to protect and offer those things to people again. We need retirement savings, not some 401(k) that can bleed out thanks to Wall Street. We need a higher minimum wage. We need debt relief from college loans (my wife has $20,000 she's gotta pay off). We need job security. All these things were available to our grand parents though they fought like hell to get them. And in a span of 30+ years they the rich took it all away and have told us to get used to it.

They let a voter go so that's their loss. Now is a good a time as any to feel the Bern! Welcome and I hope we can change the future so that our children won't have to deal with this mess.

[Gore1FL]

210. It's best to consider the source and ignore it.

And While I am happy to have you as a fellow Sanders supporter, don't let other people's behavior influence your vote. Vote for who you want, or against someone you don't want. If you only vote against the candidate only because he or she is the favored candidate of someone you dislike, you are ultimately abdicating your vote.

There are a lot of reasons to vote for Bernie Sanders. There are reasons to not want to vote for Clinton. Don't let a divisive internet personality of another DUer be one of those.

[mac56]

211. If the person who banned me had bothered to respond to my message

I would be more understanding. What it looks like, though, is a clubhouse like they had on "The Little Rascals" that they could pull up the ladder whenever they felt like excluding people.

No matter. I don't want to play in their dumb ol' clubhouse anyway.

[TheFarS1de]

212. Banned as well

Was discussing a point with another poster , didn't realise where I was and blocked was the result . There was an option to contact the person but I thought why bother . Not much point of a discussion board when all they do is block discussion .

[kath]

215. So, why is this NOT on the Greatest page?? has 240 recs.

Hmmmmm..

What the HELL is up with this???

[SunSeeker]

224. OP was PPR'd. nt

[senz]

216. "Trending Now" on the front page has an OP about this kerfluffle.

They're all in an uproar. Apparently someone named "cha" has been grievously injured in some way.

I can't understand what the deal is. They've been banning people forever and probably so have we, so why are everyone's feelings hurt at this point? From what I can see, there's no "there" there.

Is it a mass release of tension?

[joshcryer]

223. I disavow this.

That is all.

[JDPriestly]

225. K&R.

[Puglover]

232. Rec for pissing off all

of the right people!