CAN I FUCKING VOTE FIRST?

[Le Taz Hot]

The. Primaries. Are. Not. Over. Over half the country still hasn't voted yet. Got that? Fucking California, or New York, or Oregon, or Washington and a whole lot of other people in a whole lot of other states HAVEN'T VOTED YET.

I am so sick of the loyalty oaths and now I read where a long-time DUer wants to start another purge, yes, I said PURGE, all those not swearing blind fealty to the Democratic Party. NOT ALL OF US HAVE VOTED YET!

[Jenny_92808]

1. You got that right. Well said!

Listen people!

[Autumn]

2. Hell yes, lets have some fucking democracy.

Bravo!!

[Duckhunter935]

3. I agree completely

[MelissaB]

4. Did you see this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280135387

[Ivan Kaputski]

5. This is about class war with party establishment IMO.

[monicaangela]

99. I agree Ivan Kaputski

And this is definitely the wrong time for this nation to be leaning toward favoring the establishment, unless the majority of us want to go back to 19th century conditions.

[beltanefauve]

6. June 7

JUNE 7 is the California Primary. Delegate-rich California. This is far from over.

[GeoWilliam750]

95. Hillary is dominating

In those states that have not for a Democrat in decades.

In those states that do go Democrat at least part of the time, she is behind in delegates.

I must admit, I am somewhat puzzled that 10 of the first 18 states in the Democratic party primaries are states that almost never go for the Democratic candidate in the election. Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada I can easily understand, the core of the Republican stronghold having such a huge voice in the early primaries seems odd.

[Downwinder]

7. The South has decided,

the rest of you don't count.

I wish I could say this was sarcasm.

[Lorien]

12. Even from here in the South, I can say that I'm sick and tired

of the absurd notion that the Southern States define America. They're the media's favorite locale for almost everything, and the place where Hillary puts on her awkward Southern drawl to attempt to woo low information voters. The Northeast, Midwest and West are just as much "real America" as Dumbfuckistan is!

[Downwinder]

14. Leave it to a Repub to use the Nixon strategy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Well part of it is drivable distance

and having CNN in Atlanta.

But pretty much. Poor Luke Russert, he tried to do a live shot from (Los Angeles) during the Filner scandal here in San Diego. Oh he got it on Twitter. Idiot son used the LA skyline thinking it would easily pass for San Diego's... for some reason the locals, especially the affiliate, were not amused.

MSNBC pulled him, It made some sense they assigned him, since Filner had just left Congress, but the Networks for some reason think California is the LOS ANGELES area. So I have said it here, we could have a major quake, and go to the sea, and I don't think the rest of the country would notice until they did not get their cars to their dealerships. A lot of the imports go though the Port of San Diego, for example, same goes for a lot of tropical fruit. And I half kid when I say this,

[malthaussen]

32. On the other hand...

... dismissing the relevance of the Southern vote can also be construed as dismissing the vote of the majority of blacks, who still do reside in the South, and who still are overwhelmingly on Mrs Clinton's side.

The South is so much more "colorful," too, you know? Mr George Wallace was from the South. Especially today, the media are mostly concerned with noise-value, not content. (Really interested only in content insofar as it contributes to noise-value)

And the Southern bloc has always been important, first as a Democratic stronghold (and thus producing Southern Democrats who were as bad an impediment to liberalism as Blue Dogs are today), and later, of course, as the cradle of the "Southern Strategy" which put Mr Nixon in the White House and was later to contribute to the humiliation of Mr McGovern (the shock waves of which still persist in the Democratic party). Add to this the fact that the South is greatly behind the candidate preferred by the media and Party establishment, and the importance of the South, and the emphasis/distortion of that importance, is obvious.

-- Mal

[Colorado Rambler]

56. The South needs to get its act together

While I now live in Colorado, I have strong Southern roots, and most of my family lives in the South. I cannot even begin to tell you how disappointed I am with the people of a region I once deeply resonated with. Yes, the South is important, but look at the values it seems to want to impose on the rest of the country - destruction of what's left of the social safety net, the attempt to destroy women's right under Roe v. Wade, the continual undercurrent of racist attitudes, etc., etc. You think for a moment that African Americans have access to the same quality of education as whites in the South do - and even that is nothing to write home about - then you've been living on Pluto. African Americans in the South are at a disadvantage in many ways, and my take is that Hillary has their support because they don't understand well enough what Bernie is all about.

I very much fear that a Hillary vs Trump election would put Trump in the White House. It's obvious that 2016 is a great year for outsiders and populists and a bad time to be a party insider. The right will turn out in droves, drawn by Trump's dubious charisma. The Dem's will stay home, tired of the same old, same old that Hillary brings to the National conversation.

However, one never knows. The South may NOT rise again this time around and the rest of the country could just possibly give Bernie the delegates he needs to win the nomination. I think the sparks ignited by a Bernie vs Trump battle would set a fire under the voters that drives them to go to the polls and show that they're feeling the Bern!

[malthaussen]

59. There was a very good article in DK (alas) linked here on DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1410383

About why blacks are behind Mrs Clinton. One of the misconceptions against which the author warns is the idea that "blacks don't know Bernie yet." Food for thought, I cannot recommend the article enough. It clearly defines ways in which Mr Sanders might better reach AA voters.

-- Mal

[bvar22]

82. You speak of "The South" like it is a monolithic, single organism.

It isn't.

If you want "The South to get its act together, come back and help us who are fighting in the trenches.

It is very easy to be Blue in a Blue State, just follow the crowd. My wife & I moved from Big Blue Minneapolis to very rural RED Arkansas in 2006, and have found many Liberal Democrats living here. It IS harder (and sometimes dangerous) to be Liberal Blue here.



---bvar22 and Starkraven
Helping to turn the South Blue, one vote at a time.

BTW: In 2008, 1 out of 3 people who live up in these old mountains voted for "the Black Guy". Due to the low population density, it wouldn't take very many votes to flip that.
My Blue Vote here is much heavier and more significant than it ever was in Minnesota.

[Colorado Rambler]

94. Of course the South is a place of many nuances

Just as other regions of this country are, but that doesn't mean certain generalizations about it aren't true. And your rural Arkansas sounds much like my rural Colorado (one can also make some valid generalizations about rural America). You mistake me if you think I'm posting from some posh condo in Denver or ultra liberal Boulder. I'm out in the trenches, same as you, living in a remote and very rural, highly conservative part of Colorado. When we local Dems came out with a show of support for the Occupy Movement, the town's conservatives would slow their cars as they passed in order to shout out threats that they'd be back with their semi-automatics if we kept it up. (The next day twice as many Occupy Supporters showed up, and no one got shot - not even an Indian). We all do the best we can from where-ever we happen to end up. I wish you well with turning the South Blue. I think that project is almost as difficult as turning the ranchers and farmers of the rural West Blue. Still, we keep trying.

BTW, I'm very proud of the fact that in the recent Colorado democratic caucuses, Montezuma County - my hopelessly uneducated and hyper-conservative part of Colorado - went more than 90% pro Bernie. Even the cow-pokes are starting to feel the Bern!

[Lunabell]

97. It is dangerous

I've had coffee thrown on my car for having an Obama sticker. I am gay and still fear coming out at work. Life in the red states can be very dangerous for some. Be happy if you don't live in the bible belt.

[nashville_brook]

103. dems don't win southern states in the general

[lark]

102. Hey, that was uncalled for.

"Dumbfuckistan", really? If I were the alerting kind of person, your post would be it, but I'm not. However, as a person who was born and raised (got out at 18, came back to care for my elderly parents at 39) in redneck NE FL, I take issue to your characterization. Yes, unfortunately, there are way too many uneducated, ignorant people here who vote how their pastors tell them and never open their eyes to the real truth around them. That's why I left and moved to CA for so long. However, there are plenty of intelligent people here as well. We are a minority group, but we are here. I've convinced 3 of my best black friends to switch their votes from HRC to Bernie and hopefully they'll bring others along. Change comes slowly here with the bad guys firmly in charge and even most of the Dems (DWS for a prime example) are more DINO corporatists than anything else. However, t here are people here who understand the value of the direction Bernie wants to take the country and we are hoping to be able to vote for him in the general.

[bvf]

13. If that were true, there would be little reason

for all the noise.

The more they say, "It's over," the more you realize it's anything but.

Screaming is all they have.

[dchill]

27. +1,000,000

[Lorien]

45. Yes, Jedi mind tricks are only effective

if you're an actual Jedi.

[yuiyoshida]

88. These are not the Droids you're looking for

They can move along....

[senz]

67. Screaming and DIRTY TRICKS.

Like candidate, like supporter: NO CONSCIENCE.

Absolute necessity in the jungle.

[MisterP]

20. that's the South's *elites*, more specifically: from the idea of a natural nobility, a born

"master race," to everyone realizing after Sumner's caning that, yes, they think of whites and Northerners as slaves that just haven't been clapped in irons yet

[Raster]

8. NOPE! And to paraphrase Fat Tony Scalia...

...If Bernie Sanders does indeed win the primary election, it would be very hard for Hillary to win in the general election. So let's just stop before everyone gets a chance to vote.

[GreatGazoo]

9. And some would like to flip this around and claim

that Sanders' supporters don't want the South to count.

To be clear, of course it counts but so does the rest of the country and the rest of the country HASN'T VOTED YET.

In ways I am reminded of the Florida "re-count" which was not really a recount because they never counted all the votes to begin with, they just want to shut down the count while they're ahead.

[Lorien]

11. Exactly. They see 2008 all over again

but hope that the rest of the Country won't notice the trend.

[Depaysement]

17. Talk to Al Gore about that nt

[Old Codger]

22. She won the south

PRIMARIES, a dem won't win those states in the GE so not really very impressed with that so called victory, ego thing only

[Karma13612]

54. It shows "momentum" to voters not plugged into politics the way we are.

Bernie is in this to the convention, so that goes for me as well.

My vote isn't until April for heaven sake (NY).

[Old Codger]

64. I am in Oregon

So primary is still a ways off, I am in til the convention also..If Bernie gets dumped,which they are trying to do I don't know how they can expect any party loyalty from us if they are not loyal to us... and hanky-panky on their part is the end for me..

[Karma13612]

70. +10. Eom

[Half-Century Man]

10. If not in the south you don't count

America as a country and western song. But....................don't worry about 75%of the country, and the west can fuck off.

[SoapBox]

15. Say it girl!

Keep...on...saying it!

[jillan]

16. Going to put in my 2 cents.... post stuff in here instead of out there. It will get

to the greatest page because we will give your thread recs.

As a protected group, threads can't get locked as easily.

As far as DU if they want us out - fine Goodbye! Thankfully we can go to twitter and find each other & there is also the JPR group where we can hang out.

I keep saying I can't wait to see msnbc's ratings after they have pushed loyal viewers like myself away.
The same thing with Kos.
If DU wants to push us away, fine. Hope it enjoys its next fundraiser.

Those that fight against democracy will lose in the end.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Some of us could not give a 3 dollar bill to DU

anyway. We simply don't, and Alexa is telling the story... it is already bleeding.

[grasswire]

74. I wish someone could give us a tutorial on alexa..

...or post the results regularly.

[nadinbrzezinski]

90. Alexa tracks traffic

of each site, and basically goes from averages, every week. The top 200 are quite exact, the rest are estimated. But you can go there and enter the site, and see how it is going. I am betting a spike due to the primary returns but it is no longer where it was even 2 years ago.

[tazkcmo]

89. Can't and won't.

They make their money off advertising and the number of visits they get drives the price. With an 80/20 Sanders/Clinton ratioo, I can see DU's bottom line shrinking considerably. I know my days are numbered.

[Autumn]

18. It's very sad that democrats want to leave out such a large block of voters.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. YES YOU CAN! We the People will make damn sure you do!

Bernie is going to the convention, whether THEY like it or not.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[malthaussen]

24. Deja vu all over again.

Ah, the Bernie Group. Ironically, this post is probably more off-topic here than it was in GDP.

-- Mal

[Le Taz Hot]

25. I was invited to post it by one of the Hosts of this group.

[malthaussen]

26. I tend to keep out of the drama here.

But I thought and said that locking your original thread was silly.

-- Mal

[Le Taz Hot]

29. Drama was delivered to me.

I didn't seek it out.

[liberalnarb]

28. Right. Its not over 'til its over

Go Bernie Go!

[jalan48]

30. So fuck the West Coast I guess. Thanks for the post Le Taz.

[silvershadow]

31. I urge you (and all), with the utmost fervency, to push for Same-day primaries nationwide.

Huge swaths of the country are disenfranchised under the current system.

[Duppers]

33. ^^^^THIS^^^^

Thank you.

[dana_b]

71. yes, but NOT until June.

Because let's take this season as an example. People do not get to know all of the candidates until there has been considerable discussion, debates, and general time to get to know who we are voting for.

Otherwise, I'm with you!

[JDPriestly]

78. Or at least same month primaries.

Or, don't announce the results of the primaries until all states have voted.

And absolutely do away with superdelegates. They are an anachronism from horse and buggy days.

[warrprayer]

34. In Pa We DONT VOTE TILL FUCKING APRIL

I guess my vote doesn't count then?

[malthaussen]

38. Nah, your vote counts.

Daily Kos just doesn't want to hear about it, that's all.

-- Mal

[warrprayer]

40. I stay away from freeper sites

[malthaussen]

43. ...

-- Mal

[In_The_Wind]

81. New York votes April 19th.

My vote will count.

[warrprayer]

83. Your vote

Always counts with me.

[In_The_Wind]

98. As it should.

[mike dub]

35. K&R.

Been thinking the exact same thing myself!

[Thespian2]

36. K & R!!!

Damn right! Now, we even have a dim bulb writing in the Guardian UK that it is all over because the 1%er won in the Republican South...What the hell is that all about?

[malthaussen]

39. Yeah, I saw that article.

That was a very poor piece, I was disappointed in the Guardian.

-- Mal

[haikugal]

37. K&R!! Thanks for your post Le Taz.

[cadaverdog]

41. Lest we forget

[840high]

44. .^that

[ancianita]

42. With you, brotha.

[AlbertCat]

46. Voted early

If you are voting like on the 15th....or later I suppose.... be sure to check and see if early voting is available.

[Enthusiast]

47. Kicked and recommended! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

[retrowire]

48. pinned. Damn right we won't be silenced. nt

[Iwillnevergiveup]

49. Yeah, the primary system

needs to go. Schedule them all maybe in late September. By then, a majority of voters will have decided on candidates from both parties and then have time to gear up for the general.

[maddiemom]

92. The electoral college needs to go as well

There's no reason we can't use the popular vote in this day and age. Since Bush vs. Gore didn't result in any changes, however, I guess there's little hope of such a thing happening.

[dana_b]

50. Thank you. As a Californian it is so maddening

that people think that they can just push this mem and it makes it so. "Hillary has more delegates NOW so she won! Goodbye Bernie supporters! Poof!"

Argh!!!!!!!!

[SoapBox]

51. Pinned! Yes!

Power to all those that have yet to cast their Constitutional Right to Vote!

[RKP5637]

52. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[redruddyred]

53. i'm still waiting to vote

THANX A FUCKING LOT TEXAS #votersuppression

[shadowmayor]

55. Let's call the game right now?

It's the end of the 2nd quarter and we're down by 11 points. Let's just call the game off, right? Call me old fashioned, but how about letting folks vote and then counting those votes? I watched an election be completely stolen from the Democrats in 2000 - cost me a trip to Iraq thanks to Scalia and the weak-kneed democratic party that refused to fight. Saw some other crazy shit in Ohio four years later and Bush got to be pretend president for 4 more years. It ain't over 'til it's over and let's just let the process run it's due course. Thanks LTH!!

[grasswire]

76. How did America let W. get away with wearing a wire during a debate??

How did that happen on our watch???

[shadowmayor]

84. It's the liberal affliction

Avoiding confrontation to better "get along" is all too often the modus operandi. Part of the reason that so many Americans gravitate to the right (despite it being against their own natural interests) is that many folks appreciate those who are willing to fight. And when the order is upset by protests, it's often the liberal side that says tsk tsk as much as the right howls about law and order. How in the hell did he get away with wearing a wire? Guess we'll have to ask our "liberal" (fawning corporate) media to figure that one out. Cue to Tweety telling us how that was so long ago and it doesn't matter any more!

[bernbabe]

57. I wonder

do they swear blind faith if Bernie wins. I guess they would probably say yes right now, since they thing Hillary is inevitable.

[CentralMass]

58. The Oregon Primary in on May 17th.

[PatrynXX]

60. Purge doesn't have that Democratic sound to it

Thats a Republican tactic I'm voting Liberal . Write in or otherwise but indeed most haven't voted yet and bernie knows that. Hillary think DWS will tell her that? Oh if only it took less than a month . Hey my panic attacks aren't quite near as bad as they were a month ago , what happens happens. Nobody can tell me who I vote for .. Except for the General Election I'll for Democrat. If Bernie isn't there I'll write his name in and I'm tired of the a write in for is a vote for BS. No. you cannot make a square fit a round hole. True Apollo 13 converted a square to a round item but thats a conversion, it's still a round hole. Except for my faith which is generally rather conservative I can't imagine why I'd vote for a Fiscal Conservative. How many years have we had Bush's temporary tax cuts that should have expired 6 yrs ago. There are no tax hikes until those expire. How Obama got around and still fixed the Economy without those taxes is nothing short of a miracle. Obama made two mistakes. Both based on assumptions that people with supposed experience had better judgement. Hiring Rahm and hiring Hillary. Rahm is just an ass and a jerk. Hillary can get it right (UBL) and wrong) Libya) And Obama relying on just that. was a terrible mistake. John Kerry was such a better choice.

[sus453]

61. Party Loyalty in an Elction Year Gone Mad

There is a good article by Andrew Levine in this weekend's CounterPunch about the push for party loyalty, corporate money, corporate media, and the Clintons' relations with party apparatchiks:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/04/party-loyalty-in-an-election-year-gone-mad/

[bernbabe]

62. It's a juxtaposition alright

[tomm2thumbs]

77. SHE. WILL. TRY. ANYTHING.

Remember what she did to Barack Obama... whom she claims to have a 'love-fest' with?

She tried to steal the election from Barack Obama. Plain and simple.

[cui bono]

63. We're not supposed to ask for democracy but we have to see all the WHINY posts by Hillary supporters

about how they are soooooooooooooo persecuted on here. What a fucking joke this place has become. The vocal HRC supporters who are so immature and nasty have seriously jumped the shark. Not Good Enough, Hillarians!

.

[Bubzer]

65. Sounds like another purge is enroute.

Also sounds like another mass migration to http://jackpineradicals.org wll be happening soon.

[RATM435]

66. I haven't voted yet either so fuck off clinton supporter.

[HubertHeaver]

68. The DNC wanted to crown her last October,

before ANY of us voted. When we had the temerity to point that out, they would trot out the national polls and "he's a socialist!!!!111!".

[valerief]

69. I see shit on here where people say, "Kasich's not so bad," and they want to purge Bernie voters?

How about purging the fuckin' Republican supporters on here?

[grasswire]

72. please tell me who it is that wants to start a purge.

PM it if you need to.

[Karma13612]

73. Just imagine for a moment what will happen if Bernie

Does become the nominee, and wins the election.

This election year will be historical.
and it will open up the eyes of the DNC and the third ways.

So, everybody, see ya at the convention!

[TBF]

75. Amen. K&R nt

[GoneOffShore]

79. Well said. And I've got my absentee ballot coming.

Marking my primary vote for Bernie.

[Jopin Klobe]

80. Obama lost 21 states. Hillary stayed in until June ...

... again, good and true info from DU ...
LINK: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511385237

[rhett o rick]

85. We shouldn't even be giving those supporting the Clinton Aristocracy the time of day.

We shouldn't be engaging them as their loyalty for the Aristocracy won't be deterred, not by logic, not by facts. If H. Clinton had a loyalty hand salute, they would gladly demonstrate such. We need to spend our time waking up our neighbors of whom many rely on Clinton-Corp-Media for their news (propaganda). We need to educate our neighbors to the facts that the wealthy 1% that is represented by H. Clinton will cut their SS and Medicare for profits for Goldman-Sachs. We have to explain that the Wealthy 1% will continue imprisoning people more and more for profits. Profits that are shared with the Clinton Aristocracy.

[deutsey]

87. After this primary, I won't. n/t

[yourpaljoey]

104. Excellent

[deutsey]

86. What? Do you believe we're a democracy or something?

[SusanLarson]

91. Country over party.

My first loyalty is to the country, not to the party. If that makes me unwelcome here so be it. Skinner needs to remember this isn't Democratic Party Underground it is Democratic Underground.

[Oldtimeralso]

96. Amen Sister! k&r n/t

[CoffeeCat]

93. Some people need to learn that democracy rules--not fricking talking points!

Tired of hearing over and over and over and over...that it's over!

Get over yourself!

No one cares.

Let the process unfold. Let the people vote!

[allan01]

100. breaking my lenten silence to say I SECOND THAT MOTION, hear hear

[Dont call me Shirley]

101. I vote in June, FOR BERNIE!

[hfojvt]

105. sorry no

Do you not remember 2008? Or 2004?

The general feeling is that we want to get the primary out of the way so we can all UNITE and win in the fall. Instead of spending more and more months attacking each other and threatening to form an even larger group of PUMAs.

You do not remember all of the calls for Hillary to concede and drop out in 2008? You don't remember how quickly Kerry won the nomination in 2004? Or Gore in 2000?

My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is dead if it nominates Bernie.

Maybe that is hyperbolic, but I don't see how we can nominate a former socialist without becoming the Democratic Socialist Party instead of the Democratic Party.

I know some people are perfectly fine with that, but I don't think the Democratic Socialist Party will win very many elections.

So the sooner we are safe from that kind of a train wreck, the better I will feel.

It kinda sucks for people in the late primary states, but let's not pretend like it is the first time THAT has ever happened.

[Autumn]

106. I don't think that's the general feeling. More like the way Hillary supporters feel, either way...

[Rex]

109. A childish fear of words, my how much like

the GOP is that? I cannot wait for the last days of the Reagan Dems to finally give it up and just switch parties. We don't need conservadems since they are total failures like the GOP. I personally won't miss a single conservadem when they show their true colors and vote for Trump.

[imwithher16]

107. "I like Hillary, But..." For Hillary skeptics/undecideds, check out...

"I like Hillary, But..." For Hillary skeptics/undecideds, check out [link:http://www.ilikehillarybut.com|

[MisterP]

116. Iraq, Libya, Honduras, and Syria are quite absent from that site

[Warren DeMontague]

108. California doesnt matter, silly! Theres only 34 million people there.

Everything that counts in America stops at the Lincoln Tunnel, dah-linnng.

[merrily]

110. You can't just bring a ballot to a coronation fight.

[olddots]

112. a vote for Hillary is a vote for Hillary

thats very true A vote for Bernie is a vote for the world .

[Jon Ace]

113. Rec'd

Even though the Great Blue State of New York will probably go a certain way, I'd be happy to see Bernie take Brooklyn & Queens.

[shanemaier]

114. The "Democratic" party

This proves how "Democratic" this party is. It will be a four person race for the white house. Now if Trump wins or loses the republicans will enter another candidate. That leaves Bernie his opening. He promised not to make it a three person race....
Keep on supporting him but realize win or lose we are still going till November !

[Norrin Radd]

115. kr

[Politicalboi]

117. We should try and

Ignore those posts completely. Or maybe we can set a day where not ONE Bernie supporter go to DU. Just for a day. If Bernie's numbers don't change much on Tuesday, maybe we should hold out on Wed. Easier on our blood pressure, and it shows them how many we are. Less chance of getting bounced too.

[cui bono]

118. Not if you live in Arizona!

.

[Baobab]

119. Just be thankful its not a real purge

where people are slaughtered. ive read enough about them, to know that thats what happens when you have bad leaders.

Bad leaders cannot tolerate dissent.

[eastwestdem]

120. I don't get this system. I understand it would be hard to have all the primaries

during, say, the same month. But in many ways it would make more sense.

[RoccoR5955]

121. No, because...

It's Hillary's turn. No need to vote, It's her turn. How dare Bernie shove his way in line. He's not even a REAL Democrat!


I can do the Hilliary memes too!