As far as I can see Hillary has only held ONE elected office.

[Baobab]

That is a red flag for me. Winning one state office is a lot different than running and winning what seems like a great many times for Bernie and winning strong majorities a lot of the time as an incumbent. There is a reason Bernie gathers bipartisan support and its that he's a hard worker who listens to his constituents, which is rare now. Hillary is the exact opposite.

I think Hillary's lack of a *positive* track record is an issue.

Obama was elected with a similarly short non-record and he has not been such a great President.

[LiberalArkie]

1. But Hillary and Obama both knew how to follow orders.

And I might add, so did Bill.

[All in it together]

2. Yes and she had help from Chuck Schummer and her husband to get that Democratic Senate seat.

Just being advanced without having a long track record.
I took that with Obama, he's done well but he hasn't been the hoped for change needed now in our political system to get the corrupt corporate money out. The TPP is evidence of that.

[Baobab]

8. How does somebody get appointed to Secretary of State while just a junior Senator?

What were her accomplishments according to the State Department?

She keeps lying about health care, she obviously doesn't know practically anything about health care.

for example, single payer is less expensive, "competition" is more expensive.

Also, Hillary and Obama never were able to make a dent in the 10% - the percentage of Americans who have chronic illnesses. Thats the test of a good health care plan or a crap plan is if they can make a dent on the 10% of uninsurables. None of the state plans and certainly not Obamacare have made a dent in that 10% and they wont because they shift the costs to sick people.

So so far what i see from Hillary is her pretending to know things she doesn't.

[MoonchildCA]

16. Her "accomplishments" of course...

was her promise to play nice and "unite the party" at the convention in exchange for an administrative position of her choice.

[Baobab]

18. "Untie" as in "Hillary Clinton Will Untie the Party"

As in SET IT FREE by pushing people over their limits.

[Baobab]

12. Schumer is the guy who removed all doubt that Obamacare would be a flop.

It could not be a success if it had to be "self-supporting". that doomed it. because its all about risk pools. BTW, single payer would cost LESS than what we do now and it does that by ending a lot of waste- by getting rid of the insurance layer. there is no such thing as public option. Option breaks it. because then people have to be charged money. Single payer completely disconnects health care from jobs and money. It has to..

[artislife]

3. I still love Obama...so that part is not in agreement

But I do agree that she has only held one elected office. I well imagine that she and Billy poured over all 50 states comparing the pros and cons and the ease in which she could win an election. NY was a great fit for her agenda, not that she wouldn't have thrown it over if it hadn't been as hospitable. She had no allegiance to the state before this calculation.

[Baobab]

9. *Did she live in New York?* if so for HOW LONG before she filed?

Was she born there and grew up in Arkansas?

[mak3cats]

13. They bought a house in NY in September 1999...

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/03/nyregion/with-some-help-clintons-purchase-a-white-house.html?pagewanted=all

She was elected to the Senate in the fall of 2000, and was still FLOTUS at the time. We all considered her a carpetbagger, but she was all we had to vote for. TPTB had her career all mapped out already, I think.

[Baobab]

14. Slick

Have to give it to her for her slickness.

[Scuba]

4. US Senator, D (Wall Street)?

[Baobab]

15. You would expect her to care more about global warming if she's Wall Street's Senator.

Instead she's pushing fracking to the whole world and wants the US to frack till its all gone. Wall Street will be underwater, literally, in a few years if she keeps that up.

[Gwhittey]

5. I lived in NY in 2000

And running as a (D) in NY after Daniel Patrick Moynihan was Senator she was replacing is one most shoe in election you could ask for. He was in office since 1977 and was not rerunning. He basically handed the crown to her.

[RoccoR5955]

6. Look at who ran against her.

None other than Rick Lousyo, I mean Lazio, and then in her second term when she ran against Jeanne Pirro.
She ran against two losers. It was an easy win for her.
Moynihan was a good man, but he handed his office to a shark!

[Baobab]

10. he was a fairly good Senator, how did Hillary compare?

She seems like a neocon-neoliberal. thats certainly great for Wall Street but most New Yorkers would probably prefer somebody a lot less grandiose and a lot more pragmatic as far as jobs and keeping our country out of expensive and morally questionable wars, coups, interventions on behalf of multinationals, etc.

[Rebkeh]

7. I disagree on one point

Obama has been a great, though imperfect, President. Bernie will be as well.

[Baobab]

11. Obama has disappointed me a lot

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Many of the things he's done strike me as really wrong.

I actually voted for Hillary in 2008, but i was pretty pissed at both of them because neither of them was interested in fixing the health care problem. It was literally both of them arguing that the other's plan wouldnt fix it either. basically they both write off the sickest 10% and throw them to the lions.

[Rebkeh]

19. He's made some decisions I totally disagree with

But on balance, overall, with all things considered, he is doing very well. He's who I voted for, I'm glad I did.

Beltway chess is complicated, we can only see so much from the outside. That's why trust is a big deal for me, and it's why I want Bernie.

[Impedimentus]

17. Another celebrity senator - they usually don't accomplish much.

FEEL THE BERN - 2106

[Autumn]

20. True.