It's Official -- Bernie Sanders Has Overtaken Hillary Clinton In the Hearts and Minds of Democrats

[marym625]

By H. A. Goodman June 25, 2015

According to PBS, Bernie Sanders is "gaining against Clinton in early polls." Salon's Bill Curry believes "Hillary Clinton is going lose," primarily because millions of voters longing for a truly progressive candidate will nominate Sanders. POLITICO explained recently that Early-state polls hint at a Bernie Sanders surge, a headline that was unthinkable only several months earlier. Yahoo's Meredith Shiner calls Sanders a "progressive social media star and pragmatic legislator" and states that "Sanders also has a much more substantial legislative history" than any GOP challenger. In Iowa, 1,100 people packed a gym to hear Bernie Sanders speak in May.

In contrast, Team Hillary had an intimate business roundtable discussion with five "ordinary" Iowans. The only problem was that according to The Washington Post, "All five were selected to attend her events." In fact, Clinton's "staged roundtables" were attended by a total of 13 Iowans, picked by either the campaign or the host.

Therefore, a paradigm shift has taken place. Many Iowans drove 50 miles to hear Sanders speak in Des Moines, primarily because Bernie Sanders has surpassed Clinton as the ideal choice for Democratic nominee. Regarding electability, Sanders has also surpassed Clinton as the realistic choice for Democratic nominee in the minds of many voters, because as one Salon piece illustrates, Hillary "just doesn't get it."

When it comes to everything from immigration to climate change and economic issues (most Americans side with Democrats, according to Pew research and other data) some writers believe that Democrats "can nominate a ham sandwich and win the presidency." Although once thought of as an impossibility, a closer look at the electoral map shows why Bernie Sanders could realistically defeat any GOP challenger. If voters around the country still care about middle class economics, the federal budget, trade and other hot button issues in 2016, Sanders has a legitimate chance to win. Also, since Sanders isn't tied to Obama fatigue like Hillary Clinton, it's quite possible the Vermont Senator re-energizes an America that just recently decided the Confederate flag doesn't represent its value system.

While Hillary voted for Iraq, Sanders knows how the repercussions of this decision continue to affect veterans and their families. As for jobs, the federal budget, healthcare, energy, and the environment, Sanders has far more experience than Clinton, Bush, or any other candidate in 2016.

Finally, perhaps the biggest reason Sanders is surging is because he's a genuine person with real beliefs, while others become chameleons when votes and public image are at stake. It's important to note that Hillary Clinton just recently "evolved" on gay marriage and in 2004, Clinton's speech (forward to 0:22 on the Slate video or read the transcript of her passionate defense of marriage between only a man and woman) highlighted her views on the "sacred bond" of marriage:

Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY): "I believe marriage is...a sacred bond between a man and a woman....a fundamental bedrock principle that it exists between a man and woman, going back into the midst of history, as one of the founding, foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization. And that it's primary principle role during those milennia has been the raising and socializing of children for the society into which they are to become adults."

In terms of identity, Hillary Clinton might be a liberal according to fivethirtyeight.com, yet their analysis gives her a free pass on war, gay marriage, and other issues liberals had championed before they were popular. Adhering to polls is fine, but the words "poll driven," not "progressive," come to mind for someone with this type of persona. If one's views on war and foreign policy are enough for The New York Times to publish an article titled Are neocons getting ready to ally with Hillary Clinton?, then Bernie Sanders becomes an even better candidate for people opposed to never-ending American counterinsurgency wars. Clinton might say she was duped by faulty intelligence, but Bernie Sanders had enough intelligence and wisdom to vote against the Iraq war back in 2003.

More at link

Oh yeah

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

1. Is anyone really surprised by this?

[marym625]

2. Not I!

Knew it from the minute he said he was running.

[bvar22]

4. No, but it is a mistake to underestimate The Clintons.

DINO Claire McCaskill (DINO) was sent out to attack Bernie,
and hang the "socialist" flag around his neck.


....and from an elected Democrat!
Shame on you, Senator McCaskill.

[marym625]

6. and all it has done is backfire

Don't underestimate Senator Bernie Sanders!

And one for good measure

[daleanime]

14. I expect to see a desperate party fight...

to keep Bernie off the poll in several states, they will be willing to tear the party apart rather then surrender power.

We need to be ready for this and other attacks.

[marym625]

17. yep

Ain't no doubt that is going to be coming. And it will be the most destructive thing in this party since the TPP.

[daleanime]

29. Coming so soon after the TPP....

you have to worry if it could signal the end of the democratic party. I have to say that it does trouble me, but supporting Bernie is the right thing to do. Things can not continue like this.

[marym625]

32. It could

But it will also ruin whoever is behind trying to keep him off the ballot. Superpac hiding or not, we'll know where it will come from

[sheshe2]

54. Try talking to NH

Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders is on the rise in New Hampshire. But that might not matter if the independent senator from Vermont can't get on the Democratic ballot in the first-in-the-nation primary state.

Due to a quirky New Hampshire filing process — and Sanders' status as an independent rather than a registered Democrat — there are lingering questions about how easy it will be for him to file for the primary next year.

State law says that presidential candidates must be a registered member of the party whose primary ballot they are trying to get on. In fact, the Declaration of Candidacy they must fill out is fairly straightforward (emphasis added):

I, ____, swear under penalties of perjury that I am qualified to be a candidate for president of the United States pursuant to article II, section 1, clause 4 of the United States Constitution, which states, "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States." I further declare that I am domiciled in _____, in the city (or town or unincorporated place) of _____, county of ____, state of ____, that I am a registered member of the _____ party; that I am a candidate for the nomination for the office of president to be made at the primary election to be held on the ____ day of _____; and I hereby request that my name be printed on the official primary ballot of said _____ party as a candidate for such nomination.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/416929786/this-quirky-new-hampshire-law-might-keep-sanders-off-the-ballot

It is not a conspiracy, it is a State law.



He needs to declare. Simple really.

[TM99]

60. If you want to discuss

shit like this, please do so in GD Primary or elsewhere.

You know this is the Sanders Group. It is our safe haven. I would prefer not to just ban people indiscriminately. So please respect this warning, or I will block you.

Thank you.

[Fairgo]

105. Thank you

Very much

[marym625]

62. I'm not worried about Senator Sanders doing what he needs to do

Nor should you.

Thanks for your concern but we're good here. As smokey told you, you are in the Bernie Sanders group. Since we know what you think of him and didn't heed her warning, you have been blocked.

[MissDeeds]

108. Thank you

Very, very much!

[marym625]

109. No problem

It was a unanimous decision

[hifiguy]

140. Nor I. Bernie knows who he is and what he is about.

He has always been the same person, not a weathervane pointing wherever the dollars tell him to point. The chances of him going off-message or getting caught up in the media bullshit are not zero, but they are vanishingly small.

[dflprincess]

84. Look for the DNC and it's minions to be pulling all sorts of stuff out of the back of the closet to

block Bernie. And if crap like this fails, they'll try to use the "super" delegate card or come up will all sorts of odd rules for the convention. No doubt they'll assume it won't come back to bite them because "where else ya gonna go?"

As a rule, states allow parties to make their own rules - if the Democratic party in NH wanted this changed, it would happen. (Unless the Republicans are as afraid of him as the corporate wing of the Democratic party is).

I wonder if they didn't have this law when Hubert Humphrey or Walter Mondale ran neither were registered Democrats as Minnesota does not have party registration. HHH was the sitting Democratic VP at the time so he may have slid by on that but Mondale had not held office for 4 years when he ran - who knows how he might have changed in that time?

[ladjf]

20. I'm more afraid of Bill than Hillary. nt

[RoccoR5955]

26. Yeah

And I like the way that the Clintonbots got together to have a post banned in the video section here, because its title is THE SAME AS THE TITLE ON YOUTUBE from Ring of Fire.
So I guess that this place should be called Clinton Underground, NOT Democratic Underground, because no matter what, the backers of Mrs. Clinton get her way.

Now I await this post to be banned by one of their bots, trolls, or other propagandists.

[daleanime]

31. Don't let it get to you.....

we have more important things to work on.

Hopefully was reposted else where.

[marym625]

34. Yeah, that was a little unreal.

But not unexpected.

As long as our DU donations are not intermingled with any funds supporting Hillary, it won't really matter. The majority here, just like outside DU, are Sanders supporters. all over the damn place

[YOHABLO]

37. All it takes is one little troll to complain and they call in the jury. Don't dis Obama or Clinton.

[zentrum]

45. I agree.

We underestimate the Clinton machine and also the democratic party machine at our peril.

I've seen this before when McCarthy was running against Humphrey. The outcome will not just depend on us having the majority but on knowing what we're dealing with and not being naive.

[hifiguy]

139. The Clintons have a long track record of ruthlessness

and saying whatever it takes to get elected, then forgetting it all the second the ballot count is finished.

This is going to require People Power, both organized and spontaneous, like when the Philippines finally chased Marcos out.

[zentrum]

160. Right.

We need to be willing to work, to get and stay organized. Like progressives knew they had to do during the thirties.

[sabrina 1]

56. What would you expect from someone who voted for the TPP? She is a disgrace

and only made a fool of herself. She was trashed all over Social Media. Not to mention the word Socialist is now mainstream with nearly half of Americans saying they would vote for a Socialist for President.

Let them live in the past, that's where they belong. Whoever they paid for their talking points is not helping them very much as they are clearly out of touch with the TIMES we now live in.

[CoffeeCat]

115. I'm from Iowa...

…and I remember Hillary doing this to Obama when Obama was surging in Iowa. Hillary arrived in our state, thinking that she was the "inevitable" winner of the Iowa caucuses. She ran such a shitty campaign. She rarely spoke with Iowans or took questions. She was aloof, canned and corporate.

She deserved to lose, and she came in third--for many, many good reasons.

I'll never forget when she sent in Bob Kerry from Nebraska to refer to Obama as, "Barack Hussein Obama" and suggest that he was not like one of us.

Seriously. Fuck Hillary and her bullying tactics.

I've seen this up close and personal in Iowa (her shitty campaign tactics, which she seems to be employing YET AGAIN in this election cycle ). And also, her willingness to play Nixonian politics with those running against her.

Seriously. As if her warmongering and corporate now towing aren't bad enough--her campaign tactics are even worse.

[BrotherIvan]

130. Yes, it is odd

It's like they can't help themselves. They tried to make this shiny, slick populist campaign, but instead they are just falling into the old grooves. I think her whole schtick of trying to be Elizabeth Warren is going to backfire even worse. Why on earth would the candidate who plans to raise two billion dollars make campaign finance reform one of her "four fights"? It just makes her look like a hypocrite?

And the hostility toward the press is like She could have owned the airwaves and they would have been talking about her 24/7. Now it's Bernie and people like what he has to say.

Whatever their plan is, I hope they keep it up!

[CoffeeCat]

132. It's rather mystifying...

Hillary has mainly held closed-door, very-small events in Iowa. Less than 20 people. Media members were not allowed nor were questions.

Bizarre for a Presidential candidate.

It's probable that her strategy is to build up support first, from Dem party loyalists--and have those party loyalists help her shore up support and numbers at bigger events. That's what I'm guessing, but I don't know.

My feeling is that Hillary does not have the support/enthusiasm/numbers to garner large crowds in Iowa. What would happen if Bernie had an event and 800 showed, and Hillary had an event and only 200 showed? The optics would be devastating.

A majority chunk of Iowa Democrats are VERY Progressive. We rejected Hillary in the 08 caucuses with a third place. After the caucuses, she criticized our caucus system--suggesting that it was unfair.

I really get the sense that many Iowa Democrats want a more Progressive candidate, and that younger Iowa voters are not too enthused about Hillary. I also get the sense that Hillary, who thought she was "inevitable" in 08--is not too happy with Iowans, who derailed her campaign and began Obama's trajectory to the White House.

She knows what she has to do to win here. She has to speak at small venues, dialog with Iowans, take their questions and be real. I just don't think it's in her DNA. I don't think she has any desire to campaign than way. If that's the case, she won't win Iowa. Iowans will reject her again, especially if Bernie is answering questions, being authentic and traveling the state talking to us--instead of pontificating TO US from a podium.

[BrotherIvan]

134. You're right, those big Bernie crowds may have put a wrench in their

plan. I never thought about it that way. He's beating her kickoff launch in NYC in his attendance. They are going to try to take him out early and not let him get far so he can't embarrass her. I am pretty damn sure they are funneling money to the O'Malley superpac to make Bernie attack ads.

I hope Iowans pay attention. Your state gets a hell of a lot more attention than we do here in CA and while it is unnerving, hopefully they will earn it. I think Iowans are not easily fooled and that is to Bernie's advantage.

When I poke around the internet, I see a mirror of DU. There is far more enthusiasm for Bernie than for Clinton. Except for the pumas who pull the same inevitable, arrogant lecture who usually get laughed at or talked over. People aren't buying it. And what is there to be excited about with a warmed over loser candidate? Her base is strongest with 40+ women for identity politics, and I think the rest is going to erode as the campaign goes on. People just need to see that he can win.

[hifiguy]

142. The Ruling Class never sullies itself

by mingling with the hoi polloi. Their job is to sit down, shut up, and vote for the person they are told to vote for by their betters.

[BrotherIvan]

146. Or it is hard to lie straight to someone's face

They've been lying so long "for our own good." Just like Obama talking about the TPP. We don't know what's good for us and couldn't possibly understand the complexities so it must be kept quiet and we're just supposed to trust him.

[Betty Karlson]

104. Pleasantly so.

I'm always very cautious about the chances of any candidate winning.

[winter is coming]

131. I expected it to happen, but not this quickly. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

157. Yes, I have to admit, I was expecting it to happen, best case scenario, by the end of the summer. Gotta love it! Go Bernie Go!

[BrotherIvan]

3. EXACTLY what we've all been saying

The money machine and the party backstabbing are the two concerns. But Bernie is the right candidate for this moment in the US and the world.

[marym625]

7. Say it, Brother!

Amen to that!

[BrotherIvan]

15. Here's an great quote

According to a POLITICO piece titled The 2016 Results We Can Already Predict, "Assuming the lean, likely, and safe Democratic states remain loyal to the party, the nominee need only win 23 of the 85 toss-up electoral votes." Therefore, there's no need to jettison cherished values for the sake of pragmatism; those days are over. Senator Bernie Sanders, known in Washington and throughout the nation as an advocate for middle class Americans, veterans, the environment, and other cherished causes can win crucial electoral votes just as easily as Hillary Clinton.

Jeff47 and I have been harping on this for a while. ANY Democrat can easily beat a Republican. So why not have one that stands for Democratic principles?

[daleanime]

18. Hell yes....

[marym625]

19. I don't understand it at all!

I think it's akin to working on a project for a decade, finding out your theory is completely wrong, then instead of scraping the project, you lie about the results so as not to lose face.



Great quote. Thanks for adding it.

[hifiguy]

143. Damn tootin' BrotherIvan!

[BrotherIvan]

147. You!

[peacebird]

5. Love it!

[marym625]

8. Tis a beautiful thing

[kath]

9. WOWZER!!

Go, Bernie, Go!

[marym625]

11. Wowzer!

Love it!

[saidsimplesimon]

10. mary, Bernie is the real deal.

Don't settle for an imitation. (imho)

[marym625]

12. He certainly is

And no way would I settle for anything less.

[olegramps]

13. Truthly, how many on this board have changed their mind on same sex marriage in the last decade?

I fully admit that I have changed my views.

[marym625]

16. I don't understand your point

I am glad people can grow, learn, evolve. Doesn't mean that I would rather elect someone that always understood human rights is the right thing to strive for. It also doesn't mean that when those views change after certain polling is done, and then the steadily held views change right before a huge political campaign, I'm not going to be suspicious of the change.

[bvar22]

136. Jailhouse Conversions are always suspect.....

and I suspect....

[djean111]

77. I am almost seventy. I have never ever understood why anyone would have a yay or nay opinion on

LGBT folks, gay marriage, whatever. Or, I guess, why anyone would feel the need to have an opinion, or that their opinion counted. Yes, speak up for rights that should have always been unquestioned and not withheld. But to have an an opinion on someone else's sexuality is so intrusive and, well, creepy. To be honest. People are just people. All of my life, I have felt that someone's sexuality was only of interest if I was going to be in a sexual relationship with them. If not, why would it be of any concern to me?

So no, I have never changed, because I never felt the need to be against gay marriage. Sounds a bit dry, I suppose, but that's it.
Never against it, so no need to say I am now for it. Was never an issue for me. I suspect that is the same thing with Bernie, but likely won't get the chance to ask him.

[marym625]

112. +1gazillion!

Thank you for this!

[olegramps]

123. I applaude you, but from the surveys millions have had an awakening.

[djean111]

124. Oh, I know. Just answering your question. :-)

Still seems really pervy to me, nosing around about others' sexual identities. Blargh. Go plant a garden or do something else useful.

[olegramps]

161. I agree that too many people seem to have a perverse interest in others sex lives.

I don't know that the question of how you objectively define marriage is in that category for some people. But I will agree that for some it is a condemnation of same sex life styles for many conservatives. They don't look at as an objective determination of rights as guaranteed by our constitution.

[Android3.14]

107. Count me as one who turned 180 on gay marriage

It went from bull-moose subconscious homophobe to conscious homophobe to conscientious homophobe to sympathetic homophobe to LGBT advocate (with suppressed conscious homophobic reactions).

At 51, I've seen my attitudes shift on this issue like I've never seen on anything else. It's been a bedrock shift.

[winter is coming]

129. I haven't. n/t

[BrotherIvan]

21. This article is amazing to sum it all up perfectly

Really, read the whole thing everyone please. Share with your friends and family. It shows why Bernie is actually the STRONGEST candidate.

As for why Bernie Sanders is finally being given the attention he deserves, the Vermont Senator is intimately involved with issues that affect the lives of everyday Americans. While Clinton supporters reference their candidate's experience, many people aren't aware of the various Congressional Committees that Sanders is involved with on a daily basis:

Environment and Public Works
The United States Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works is responsible for dealing with matters related to the environment and infrastructure.

Energy and Natural Resources
The United States Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources has jurisdiction over matters related to energy and nuclear waste policy, territorial policy, native Hawaiian matters, and public lands.

Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
The United States Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (HELP) generally considers matters relating to these issues.

The United States Senate Committee on Budget... is responsible for drafting Congress's annual budget plan and monitoring action on the budget for the Federal Government. The committee has jurisdiction over the Congressional Budget Office.

Veterans' Affairs
The United States Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs considers matters relating to the compensation of veterans, life insurance issued on account of service in the Armed Forces, national cemeteries, pensions of all wars, readjustment of servicemen to civil life, and veterans' hospitals and medical care.

Joint Economic Committee
This joint committee of the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives focuses on promoting maximum employment, production, and purchasing power.

While Hillary voted for Iraq, Sanders knows how the repercussions of this decision continue to affect veterans and their families. As for jobs, the federal budget, healthcare, energy, and the environment, Sanders has far more experience than Clinton, Bush, or any other candidate in 2016.

[marym625]

22. Thank you, Brother

I obviously can't put the entire article in the OP. There are also multiple links to other great articles within the article. So I am extremely happy you are putting up more of it.

[BrotherIvan]

24. Yeah, I don't wanna be greedy, but this article has

pretty much everything we've been talking about. That bullshit that DU isn't the rest of the world just got evaporated.

[marym625]

27. Amen to that!

And heads are exploding all over the place.

That object in the rear view mirror that was closer than it appeared is now in front.

[eridani]

88. Well, DU isn't the rest of the world

The rest of the world doesn't follow politics closely.

[BrotherIvan]

90. But hopefully the rest of the country likes an honest person

Because that is what this election will come down to.

And I think a lot on DU are as politically ignorant as the rest of the world. They just hang out for the company and have no real interest in facts, history, or policy. The ignorance from some posters is stunning in fact.

[hifiguy]

144. The historically informed, information-seeking, politically thoughtful goats

are easily identified as a separate group from the low-info sheep who basically root, as Jerry Seinfeld observed, for laundry.

[BrotherIvan]

148. Uh oh, careful now

[hifiguy]

150. I say that here because this is a safe-haven group.

[Fairgo]

106. This is an important list

It provides a frame For understanding the depth, breadth, and sophistication of his positions.

[BrotherIvan]

125. Yes, it shows that he's very involved and senior in the Senate

[BrotherIvan]

23. Kick and Bounce!

The only time I remember articles like this about a candidate was...2008!

[marym625]

25. It's been forever

Since we had a true progressive in the running. And one they can't buy or chase away

[Enthusiast]

28. Kicked, recommended and bounced a whole bunch!

[marym625]

30. LOVE IT!

We're doing the Bernie K&R&B!

[BrotherIvan]

33. Read the comments!

Republicans, Independents and conservatives saying they are donating and will vote for Bernie! A couple of pumas saying "he can't win" but not a lot so far. People very well versed in the difference between "communism" and democratic socialism. And Huffpo comments are usually pretty ugh worthy.

[marym625]

35. Yep.

He's speaking to the 90% who are sick and tired of the corporatocracy

From the Pink song, Dear Mr. President "we're not dumb and we're not blind"

[Enthusiast]

41. Bernie is a game changer!

[BrotherIvan]

43. He is a uniter that's for sure

[hifiguy]

145. My favorite expression for this is a neologism of my own devising.

There are times at which the Popeye Point is reached.

The standard framework of a Popeye cartoon is that Popeye is bullied, kicked around, and generally chumped by some villain, often Bluto. Popeye tries to be reasonable and forbearing but eventually he reaches what I call the Popeye Point - he says "I've had all I can stands, and I CAN't STANDS NO MORE!!!, eats his spinach and promptly dispatches the villain like a good spinach-noshing nautical superman.

Millions of people have come to the Popeye Point over the last fifteen years and Bernie speaks eloquently and forcefully for them.

This is not going to slow down. In fact, the opposite is going to happen.

[cantbeserious]

36. Right On - I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[840high]

38. +100

[marym625]

39. Never again!

Never!

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

40. Like I have said before.

It is time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win

[ms liberty]

51. This. n/t

[marym625]

68. +1000

Which is exactly what he is doing! Which is why he is taking over the conversation. The White House isn't far off!

[chknltl]

42. Looks like the 'AfterBerners' have kicked in!

(Well just in case the term hadn't been coined yet)

and for something completely off topic:

[marym625]

67. Awesome! The After Berners!

Perfect!

[chknltl]

74. Thanks, I needed that just now.

(Wrote an un-researched OP earlier and just discovered why research is one's friend. )

[marym625]

76. Awe

don't worry about it. Happens all the time. I once posted a satire piece about a Republican on my Facebook page as a real story. With those guys, it's almost impossible to tell satire v reality.

Shit happens. It's all good.

[Playinghardball]

44. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128016372

[marym625]

69. I'm sorry, Playinghardball!

I guess I didn't look back far enough. Because this was from the 25th, I thought it might have been posted. And since that was my birthday and I wasn't on much, I missed your post that day.

It's too late to delete. Obviously, I wasn't the only one that missed it. At least more people who must have not been around when you posted are seeing it now.

Again, my apologies

[Playinghardball]

128. Actually I like it when something gets reposted and gets a ton more hits...

Therefore, no problem...

[L0oniX]

46. K & R

[marym625]

70. Thank you, L0oniX!

[SoapBox]

47. Every minute more and more Americans learn about Bernie...

And they love his message.

Feel the Bern!

[marym625]

64. It's wonderful

At the pride parade, another girl and I were telling people about him and they were extremely excited. Even looked him up on their phones while we were waiting for the parade to start. Those that did said things like "this is great! I'm going to vote for HIM" or that they liked what they saw and would do more reading on him later

Good stuff brings good stuff

[hifiguy]

149. That is gonna be the way it HAS to be.

Word of mouth. It works. And anyone who hears about Bernie for the first time who then hears him will hear exactly whet their friend told them they will hear - plain truth directed at the ordinary person. He's not trying to sell anything except the dog's honest truth by describing the world as it is and what needs to be done about it.

Reminds me of that old Clairol commercial from the Seventies, "I told two friends, and they each told two friends, and so on and so on and so on."

[Alittleliberal]

48. K&R&B

[marym625]

66. Thanks!

Loving it!

[sheshe2]

49. Are there poll numbers to back that up?

[smokey nj]

53. This group is a safe haven for supporters of Bernie Sanders.

[sheshe2]

55. Yes, I know.

I asked about links to polls. Is there a problem?

[smokey nj]

57. Yeah, you aren't a supporter.

[sheshe2]

59. Correct.

I would love to see some links to support mary's theory. Not a tough question.

[Autumn]

61. If you chose to read the article that mary posted there are links in it

little blue thingies. Also if you read the article you will see that it isn't mary's theory, it's an article she posted written by someone else. Not hard to figure out.

[marym625]

80. The "by H. A. Goodman June 25, 2015" should have been a clue

But we know sheshe2 has stated she doesn't have time to click on blue links.

But that was nice of you to try.

Just glad she's doing the Bernie bounce! everyone will come around at some point

[rhett o rick]

85. I think she means well, really I do, but she, like some others, feel comfort in backing the

billionaires choice. They are afraid to fight for their freedoms and liberties.

The Bernie bounce

[marym625]

86. Afraid. OK

I will take your word for it!

[BrotherIvan]

91. Nah, it's all identity politics

They don't give a crap about anything else.

[hifiguy]

151. Bingo.

It's their "turn" regardless of the consequences for the country. I was here eight years ago and remember the "mountain lions" very vividly. They are back for blood this time.

[rhett o rick]

87. I don't mind non-supporters if they are respectful and don't attack Sen Sanders. This isn't the

HRC Group where no one is allowed if they don't pledge allegiance.

Bernie bounce

[smokey nj]

89. If someone's trashing Bernie elsewhere on DU

they shouldn't be allowed to post here in the Bernie Sanders Group and that poster was just antagonizing the OP. The OP is a host of this group.

[marym625]

96. Thank you, my friend

I'm sure not everyone has seen all that has gone on so they may not know what's behind it.

We encourage honest debate. But we are also here to support Sanders.

[smokey nj]

97. I have your back.

[marym625]

98. Thank you

That's such a beautiful thing to hear.

And I have yours

[Puglover]

110. Absolutely.

After those disgusting OP's I would have blocked on the first post.

Great block!!

[marym625]

111. +1000

[hifiguy]

152. Me too.

All the way.

[rhett o rick]

99. Ok, I hear that. I will be more vigilant. nm

[jalan48]

50. The fact that Bernie is taking positions on issues is a big part of it.

[marym625]

71. Exactly!

People are sick of the rhetoric, the double talk, etc..

[djean111]

52. Bernie for President subreddit has 53,464 subscribers, 736 currently in the subreddit.

Earlier today, the HRC subreddit had a little over 300 subscribers. According to my 20 YO grandson, Bernie has people his age actually talking about politics instead of movies and video games. I have asked him to remind his friends that it is the primaries that count right now. Hopefully we will be GOTV-ing of groups that really did not pay attention before.

[marym625]

72. Great news!

I am one of the reddit subscribers but I don't use it much.

Great news about your grandson! Great advice to him too!

Thanks for sharing this!

[questionseverything]

137. that is great news

53 thousand plus for bernie to 300 for clinton...that has gotta leave a mark

me thinks that is why clintons gathering are closed, so she does not have to explain the low numbers

[yeoman6987]

58. Thank god! Good for Bernie!

[marym625]

73. Yes!

He is an awesome and amazing man

[kath]

63. Thanks, host(s) for the pest control.

[marym625]

65. LOL!

It was unanimous.

[Thespian2]

75. The only fear I have

is that the immoral Clinton Machine will do all in their power to destroy Bernie...BUT, along with millions of people, I will do what I can to help him win...


GO, BERNIE!!!

[marym625]

78. They will try and they will fail

You can't take down truth. It will win out. And the big money attacks have become much too apparent

[Thespian2]

79. I am counting of it...

Long time to go...Lots of work to do...





For all you do...

[marym625]

82. Thank you!

Yes, a very long way to go.

And thank you for all you do, as well

[TheNutcracker]

81. We will carry Bernie all the way!!!

[marym625]

83. That's exactly what we will do!

Yay! all the way to the White House!

[burrowowl]

92. I gave $5

gonna have to dig in and find $10!

Go Bernie!!!!!!!

[marym625]

93. Did you see OS' s post about how much has been raised?

That's fabulous. Good for you!

[TheNutcracker]

94. The people have his B A C K ! ! !

[marym625]

95. and he has ours!

Thank you! Back at ya!

[PatrickforO]

100. Very sad, but true. Secretary Clinton IS poll-driven. Bernie is not.

That is why I'm supporting Bernie. I'm simply tired of poll-driven politicians because once they get into office, they never seem to actually do anything of substance. When you're too worried about losing the next election, you don't worry enough about the people you supposedly represent.

[marym625]

101. +1000

It's so wonderful to hear someone that is so honest and that you know he's honest because of his record. His half century record of fighting the good fight.

[raindaddy]

102. This is a sign people are really fed up....

It's time to take our party back! Go Bernie!!!!

[marym625]

103. As bad as it is that we're so fed up

It's great to have some hope. Someone we know will fight for us. That is one of us.

And it's great to know we're not alone in being fed up

Go Bernie!" .

[WillyT]

113. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[marym625]

114. Thank you, WillyT!

I feel bad I missed Playinghardball's post on this the other day, but I'm glad that the people that missed it, like me, saw this one.

[Nitram]

116. Dare I say it?

Is it just me, or do I detect a sophomoric approach to politics among some Sanders supporters? A childish eagerness to declare victory for their candidate, a tendency to make wild and over the top accusations about Clinton?

[marym625]

117. You do know you are in the Sanders group, correct?

[TM99]

118. I will say it.

You are in a safe haven. This is a Group for Sanders supporters.

If you want to insult our Group members, there is ample opportunity to do so in GD-P and the HRC Group.

I will not give you another warning. Dial it back.

[Nitram]

119. You're right, I failed to realize I was posting in the Sanders group. My apologies.

It was under "Greatest Threads".

[TM99]

120. It is an easy mistake

that far too many of us make.

Thank you for apologizing.

[marym625]

121. Thank you.

We understand that happens. If you want to phrase it better and ask questions, we are always up for discussion.

Please read the article and the links within it and you will have your answers. But, as I said, we're open for honest discussion.

I'm leaving for the day though so best to respond to someone else in the post for now

[hootinholler]

158. If you want to apologize, that's great

But a self delete would go a bit farther.

You wouldn't want us to make things up about you now would you?

[L0oniX]

122. Hey ...did I K & R this yet?

[marym625]

126. L0oniX, you can k & r my posts as often as you like!

You can even K&R & them if you like!

[blackspade]

127. K&R!

[AzDar]

133. Bernie!!

[LWolf]

135. Oh yeah

is right!

Has this been xposted?

[hifiguy]

138. So, Clinton's "public events" are just as phony

and staged as Chimpoleon's.

Color me unsurprised.

[Chicago1980]

141. I wish the left would stop with the Clinton vs sanders mantra.

Can we focus on beating the republicans and beating up on each other?

[hifiguy]

156. Your concern has been duly noted.

Some of us want a candidate who is not bending over for Wall Street.

[Autumn]

159. I'm sorry to say this but it is cinton vs Sanders. And in this group we intend to see to it

that Sanders wins. We will focus on the republicans after Bernie wins the nomination.

[rtracey]

153. Well

I think we really need to sit back and see who really has taken over the hearts and minds of the democrats. I recall several elections ago a dynamic democrat was running for president and many thought her was going to be the one. The top fundraiser and front runner, prior to the Iowa caucus, and hit the road running with the internet and grassroots crowd, but a few screeches later, Howard Dean was out. I am NOT NOT NOT comparing Dean with Sanders, but I am saying before we print up the president-elect banner for Sen Sanders lectern, lets, or should I say, I will sit back and see where the primaries go.....

[turbinetree]

154. And my vote means

50+1 more for BERNIE








Honk ----------for a political revolution BERNIE 2016

[kath]

155. Soooooo freakin' great to see this at the top of the Greatest Page!

Thanks for posting it, mary.