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merrily

(45,251 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:24 AM Apr 2016

Attn: New York voters voting for Bernie

A NY voter pm'd me that he or she voted. The ballot listed five delegates for Bernie and seven for Hillary, but the instructions said to vote for any seven delegates. This is confusing and may cause Bernie voters to vote for two delegates for Hillary.

Another New Yorker just told me that it may depend on the county.

In any case, be wary!

yellerpup

(12,243 posts)
2. We had our choice of 6 HRC and 6 Bernie.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:20 AM
Apr 2016

It could have been clearer on the ballot whose delegates were whose, but we both managed to figure it out and voted for Bernie and all his six delegates. A little before 9AM we were voters 27 & 28. No lines but a constant trickle, a good sign for this polling station (in a nursing home). In the last state primary we went at 6PM and we were 8 & 9.

yellerpup

(12,243 posts)
18. It looks as if they have differently designed ballots
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:40 PM
Apr 2016

in different parts of the state. I'd never seen a straight-line ballot before. Westchester.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
3. I've been trying to research this since this morning
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:20 AM
Apr 2016

It's very confusing but I've been informed that you should ONLY vote for the Bernie delegates indicated, even if the instructions say to vote for more, numerically. In other words if the ballot says vote for 7, and there are 7 Hillary delegates and 5 Bernie, only vote for the 5 Bernie delegates.

Please watch this video for clarification: https://vimeo.com/163355899?ref=tw-share

merrily

(45,251 posts)
7. "very confusing is exactly the problem." I bet some Bernie supporters will end up voting for Hillary
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

delegates. Florida 2000 is starting to look not so bad, after all. I'm so proud.

That was Queens County, btw. I don't know what's up in other counties.

Did you post here about the the judge issue? Did you call the campaign about it?

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
8. We have several attorneys addressing it right now
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:45 AM
Apr 2016

But it seems too little too late. The only thing we can hope for is that the judge who has the case of the provisional ballots for the State rules in our favor. So we collect the provisionals and hope for the best.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
10. Yeah, no shit, this isn't helping my stress level
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:56 AM
Apr 2016

I'm playing keyboard warrior right now, sending information between groups, doing research, making phone calls, and hoping that I can actually WALK later (i'm not doing well at all) so I can get to the local University this afternoon and evening to do my poll watching activities.

Why is voting this difficult? It shouldn't be. And this 2 fucking party system sucks. It FORCES people in this state to chose, almost from the moment they're 18, to chose a party and stick with it, even if that party decides to chuck all they stand for and become a close approximation for the other party.

Doesn't seem "democratic" at all.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
4. This looks very weird, to my European eye.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:55 AM
Apr 2016

Vote for n delegates? Might not be clear which delegates will in their turn vote for which candidate? Any order of priority? Any scrutiny of delegates' financial, etc. situation before-and-after? ...

Internal Party mechanisms, but paid for by all taxpayers? ...

Possibly hacked databases? ,..

merrily

(45,251 posts)
6. Looks weird to me as well.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

The pledged delegates are bound through the first vote, but only through the first vote. That is a lousy system. In 1952, when there were fewer primaries, Kefauver won most or all of them, but Truman and party bosses who were ticked that Kefauver had revealed connections between "the Mob" and Democratic Party bosses, rigged the convention for Stevenson, who had not even entered the primaries and seemed to have had a hard time deciding whether or not he want to run.

Jennylynn

(696 posts)
5. I voted in Illinois
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

The ballot said choose Five (delegates). Bernie had six. So there was one I didn't choose. Should I have chosen all six? I'm always worried they'll discount the entire ballot if I don't do it exactly as stated. Grr.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. That's a question for the Office of the Secretary of State of Illinois or your town or city hall.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:20 PM
Apr 2016

merrily

(45,251 posts)
13. Great, but a lot depends on implementation and the October deadline is unaffected.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:28 PM
Apr 2016

I don't know how many people got the word to request provisional ballots. If they did, I don't know how they proved someone flipped their registration on them.

Technically, yes, it's a victory. Will it make a big difference? We'll see.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
14. Here's the big win:
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016
"For a more permanent solution, the legislature in Albany is currently working on Assembly Bill A9661, which would turn the New York primary into a full open primary."

I think the wind is at our back and the writing is on the wall. The judge preserved our right to contest, and given that there are a LOT of funny stories about broken machines, locked polling places etc this will be important either way.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
16. You'll get no argument from me there, dear friend!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:04 PM
Apr 2016

No argument at all.

Now if you want to argue Yankees vs Red Sox...

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