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Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:44 PM

Surprisingly, I'm seeing some Bernie supporters dialing it way back today.

OK, maybe it isn't a surprise. We've seen people get dejected before in this campaign. New York is a tough loss though and all of the cautious Democrats who were seduced by the populist aspect of the Sanders campaign are now taking that deep breath and asking for that ol' party unity again.

I'm not sure where I am actually. I'd love it if Bernie just won out and got it by the popular vote but I'd take the nomination anyway we can get it at this point.

And losing the nomination and Bernie running as an indie? I honestly don't see it if the GOP gets solid on one guy. If Turnip runs as an indie though?... (He probably won't though because I STILL think he's a Clinton plant.)

What do you all say? This IS a discussion forum, right?

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Reply Surprisingly, I'm seeing some Bernie supporters dialing it way back today. (Original post)
MrChuck Apr 2016 OP
LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #1
emsimon33 Apr 2016 #19
Maedhros Apr 2016 #24
emsimon33 Apr 2016 #36
RepubliCON-Watch Apr 2016 #2
DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #3
Pharaoh Apr 2016 #8
Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #4
Kittycat Apr 2016 #5
MrChuck Apr 2016 #9
GoneFishin Apr 2016 #12
Kittycat Apr 2016 #15
emsimon33 Apr 2016 #21
Scootaloo Apr 2016 #22
Pharaoh Apr 2016 #6
floriduck Apr 2016 #10
LiberalElite Apr 2016 #7
Scootaloo Apr 2016 #11
emsimon33 Apr 2016 #23
Scootaloo Apr 2016 #25
delrem Apr 2016 #32
Scootaloo Apr 2016 #34
emsimon33 Apr 2016 #35
RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #13
farleftlib Apr 2016 #17
RobertEarl Apr 2016 #14
jillan Apr 2016 #16
Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #27
nc4bo Apr 2016 #18
Hydra Apr 2016 #20
brewens Apr 2016 #26
Autumn Apr 2016 #28
MrChuck Apr 2016 #29
Autumn Apr 2016 #30
MrChuck Apr 2016 #31
delrem Apr 2016 #33
HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #37

Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:47 PM

1. I was pretty dejected until I looked at Obama's NY totals

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:24 PM

19. I wasn't I was mad. I am sick and tired of my political party cheating

The blow back on the Party is going to be so earth shattering that it may mean the end of the Party as we know it and it will be just another Party for the rich and the mighty--which it appears to be now anyway. At least the true colors are finally coming to light and as a life-long Democrat I am ashamed of what I see.

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Response to emsimon33 (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:41 PM

24. I agree. Not mad, but frustrated.

 

Democrats wail and gnash their teeth over voter disenfranchisement, except when it happens under their watch then it's "nothing to see here, move along."

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:13 AM

36. And Dems aren't as good at stealing elections as the Republicans

In part, I suspect it is the nature of the Democratic base: Better informed and not blind followers or impressed with authority by and large.

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:47 PM

2. Some may be starting to lose out on hope.

 

I will admit that I am very disgusted in this party but I want the chance to vote in CA, so afterwards, I'll re-evaluate where I am with the dem party.

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:48 PM

3. Clinton plant.

 

I've thought that too.

I say we push forward for every last delegate.

If it results in a win or not...

We have a progressive platform to build.

We will have an army of delegates at the convention and 30,000 people outside.

I want the delegates to affirm that the Democratic party wants single payer.
We want the delegates to affirm that the Democratic party wants tuition free education.

We win this in 1000s of small battles that we need to continue fighting...

... not just the one battle the media focuses on.

Looks like we just won control of the Colorado state party.

Every state we compete in, we win hearts and minds to the progressive cause.

The ones who are not progressive will go the way of the dinosaur.

We will win!

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Response to DemocracyDirect (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:52 PM

8. ^^this^^

 

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:49 PM

4. From my understanding

...many states have a "loser law" which prevents candidates from running in the general the year they lost the nomination. Not sure anyone can get around that.

Yes, I've always thought Trump was a plant/diversion.

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:49 PM

5. You can't discuss anything out there right now.

I'm not talking unity out there. I'll work for berniecrats and liberal gems, that's it. The nastiness from the Hillary supporters makes it just impossible to engage. I don't think they're even interested, anyway. BTW - the fact that they're grave dancing on disenfranchised voters again is so distasteful.

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Response to Kittycat (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:53 PM

9. I'm saying that

I see a lot of nastiness within the Sanders ranks starting up. Remember, not all of us were democrats to begin with. Now SAnders people are going to start eating their own as they get scared and run back to Hillary. That's my prediction. A lot of people can pretend they're into this revolution but when the real shit starts hitting the REAL fan they are going to cave and I see it starting already.

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Response to MrChuck (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:59 PM

12. Fuck that. This isn't 2008, and Bernie isn't another establishment Party insider like BO and HRC.

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Response to MrChuck (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:07 PM

15. Well, I've always been a Dem, and never supported her. So?

Always being a dem, doesn't mean handing someone your ballot or allowing someone to dictate and demand something from you that isn't theirs. I'm a Dem because of party beliefs and policies. If we get to a point in this party where they no longer support those issues that mean the most to me, I'm out - and I'm cool with that. But I will work my ass off to make sure I'm represented.

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Response to MrChuck (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:29 PM

21. Not sure where you are getting this

I think it will be quite the opposite. From what I am seeing, about 80% of Sanders supporters are so disgusted with the cheating and manipulation from the Party Establishment that they will probably leave the party and at least 80% of the Independents will not vote for Hillary.

Sanders people are tired of the "you ain't got no choice but to fall in line." There is a choice and that choice will send shock waves through the un-Democratic Party.

If the primary process had been open and fair, then there might have been a chance for unity but it has been dirty, cheating, and rigged from the top down through the media.

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Response to MrChuck (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:34 PM

22. I haven't seen any "eating our own"

 

I saw some people misunderstand a post by Autumn in GDP... But GDP is a shithole and making inferrals about reality from that place is doomed to failure

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:51 PM

6. If Trump runs as an Indie

 

That gives Bernie the room to do it too.

I like that scenario actually.

And Trump is all ego, he doesn't give a rats ass about the GOP party unity or anything else besides himself.

So he will run indie. And then Bernie can too, And Bernie would win in that scenario.

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Response to Pharaoh (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:54 PM

10. +1 nm

 

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:51 PM

7. I didn't expect him to win NY

I was hoping for a single digit loss. It didn't happen, supposedly.

IMHO some get overly invested in what they want to have happen; when it doesn't it's a big shock and they need extra time to regroup.

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:56 PM

11. Dialing it back from what?

 

There seems to be a dawning realization that stomping on flaming bags of poop just gets poop on your foot. it's a bit late in coming, but hey. Optimism.

I already opined on what party unity would take after this campaign. And after that, I kinda sat back out of the argument. I caucused for Bernie, chipped in a few dollars, but my abilities are limited, and so is my reach. Hillary's the likely nominee... but she won't win unless we're on board with her.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:34 PM

23. "Hillary's the likely nominee... but she won't win unless we're on board with her."

Somehow the Hillary camp has not gotten this memo and just seem to enjoy alienating anyone who does not blindly follow them. Unity, my ass. Given what has been going on with the Party Establishment, I doubt they can unify the Party at this point. People are tired of more of the same. Race and gender can be more of the same as we have seen.

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Response to emsimon33 (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:45 PM

25. No, they haven't. And they probably won't.

 

And the Democrats are going to lose because of them.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:24 AM

32. I just read that OP and agree.

It's kinda remarkable the degree to which I agree all the way down the line.
Except for one thing. The nexus of it all: Hillary Clinton. Who Hillary Clinton is.

Perhaps if Hillary Clinton was 20 yrs younger I could believe in some unheard unsung chord of resilience, of the "good faith" that would allow for a reconsideration, a changing of ways that you suggest is possible downthread.
But people my age are set in their ways by our history and we aren't that flexible anymore. HRC even more than most, just by the nature of her "job".
She's in it for the money, Scootaloo, and she doesn't care about the morality of it.
Her political history is the proof.

She's the Red Queen and the USA is looking toward an election pitting the Red Queen vs the Jabberwock, and considering the concentration of wealth and military power that the US controls, look out world. Because here it comes.

Here it comes.

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Response to delrem (Reply #32)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:17 AM

34. I have little faith my advice will be heeded, even opportunistically

 

And i don't think it's the money. What the fuck would the Clintons do with more money? Hell if anything becoming president is a pay cut.

Nah. She definitely has a reason that isn't very admirable, but I kinda hesitate to point it out, 'cause even bernie supporters tend to be a little too optimistic to believe it.

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Response to delrem (Reply #32)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:11 AM

35. Well said!

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:01 PM

13. Personally I need a day off from this.

 

It's just getting to me.
I'll be back on it in a day or two.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:12 PM

17. Take it easy

 

Sometimes I stay away for a week or two. It just gets too frustrating.

Take care of yourself and come back when you're feeling better.

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:06 PM

14. We're bummed out

 

Bummed that so few people actually voted. Bummed that the system reared its ugly head with voter suppression and all that.

Bummed that it looks like the establishment wonks have not a care in the world for progressives and the progressive ideals.

We have only wanted what is best for the country and it looks like we are the only wise ones in the room. Bummer, man.

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:09 PM

16. Well I haven't seen the Hillary supporters dialing way back yet.

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Response to jillan (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:05 PM

27. + 1,000,000 n/t

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:14 PM

18. It's not one damned way different than when Bernie won his primaries over Clinton.

Not much wind blowing and it kept the weathervane still for a time.

We'llbefinethanks.

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:29 PM

20. I'm personally not that worried about it

I've seen a few "I was for Bernie but..." posts, but they don't sound sincere. I'm not feeling Clinton's inevitability right now- the people who are shouting for all of this to be over are not shouting in triumph, they are shouting in relief.

Clinton would have been dead in the water if she lost NY. She lives to lose another day, whether in the Primary or the GE. The party, meanwhile, has taken massive steps toward the eventual split we all see coming. How many voters will be denied their right of participation so that Hillary can get the nod? How many will vote for Bush Era policies under a blue flag?

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:01 PM

26. Chase right to the convention door! Show her the support we (not just Bernie) have!

It's astonishing what we have done. Despite blackout and all other barriers. Every dollar and every vote shows the next guy willing to help us, see that we are out here.

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:12 PM

28. This IS a discussion forum, But this is a protected group for Bernie supporters

So dial back this "dialing it way back today" shit and take it elsewhere, .

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Response to Autumn (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:28 PM

29. Hey, easy

It's not me Autumn. I'm just reporting what In seeing from an admittedly small sample.
Discussion of Sanders supporters has always been apart from discussing the man himself.
I don't want to believe that there will be defectors but we all know there will be some.
It sucks but there it is.

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Response to MrChuck (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:31 PM

30. No YOU go easy on discussing Sanders supporters. You want to discuss them take it elsewhere.

You won't do it in here.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #30)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:33 PM

31. That's not nice.

I AM a Sanders supporter. I'm banned from the HRC group and everything.
Don't become the fulfillment of all my fears please.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:42 AM

33. Autumn, your own post to GD: P got "interpreted" to hell and gone.

Look at who "rec'ed" it and who didn't.
I'd say the vast majority of those who didn't, didn't because they didn't understand it, and that the vast majority of those who did, did because they didn't understand it.

These aren't happy times - we're looking over a cliff and the fuckers are at our back.

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:11 AM

37. According to Bernie, it's not about Bernie, so it really cannot be just about his candidacy.

Seems to me that means it must also be about the need for the 'political revolution' that he's calling for, that many millions have recognized the need for and cast primary and caucus votes for, and that millions have donated and volunteered for.

Sanders' candidacy is one path of a populist progressive advance on a much broader front. The candidacy certainly is important, but it's also been the vehicle that has rallied us to hope to address the needs of our society and our democratic processes

We haven't lost that hope, we haven't lost movement, and we won't lose either unless we quit.

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