This group is for DUers who support Bernie Sanders for the Democratic Presidential nomination.

[merrily]

If you have given up on Bernie Sanders, you should stop posting in this group. JMO.

You're demoralizing the rest of us and discouraging us from donating and volunteering for Bernie.

Other places on this board may be suitable for that stuff, but it is inconsistent with the purposes of this group.

Before you post, think whether you post inspires people to phone bank for Bernie, to canvass for Bernie, to leaflet for Bernie, to donate to Bernie, to stand on line to vote for Bernie and the like until primary season ends, or whether it may do the opposite. If the latter, please don't post it here. JMO

[Mbrow]

1. k&R

My wife and I are state delegates for Bernie, well I'm an alternate, Bosie here we come!

[merrily]

2. More power to you and thank you.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

4. Great!

I'm on the ballot as a delegate for my state election tomorrow.

[Art_from_Ark]

64. Good luck!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

65. Thanks!

[Art_from_Ark]

62. Wow! Cool!

Good luck to both of you!

[greymouse]

3. Nobody's demoralizing me.

#BernieorBust

I'm sure the Bernie can't make it people are Hillary shills. I don't know any Bernie supporter who's given up.

We have the nomination to win. If that fails, we have write-ins to either win or throw the election really into the Electoral College, won't that be fun. If all that fails, a new Third Party with the principles the Democratic Party has abandoned.

[merrily]

5. Great! No one is demoralizing me, either. Some have managed to annoy me, though, and that

takes a lot. You are correct that we have a nomination to win. However, I am not entertaining Plan B. As far as I am concerned, we have a nomination to win, period, full stop.

[tk2kewl]

7. me neither.

[MissDeeds]

11. Same here

They strengthen my resolve and commitment, and as a result I send Bernie more money.

HRH's supporters must really be concerned that Bernie can pull this off. Why else would they spend so much time and effort trying to convince us that he must drop out and that we should fall in line behind The Inevitable One?

For me, that's not going to happen. Not now, not ever.

[Svafa]

51. I heard an interesting podcast interview with Jill Stein,

in which she said that she was open to the possibility of stepping into the VP slot if Sanders wants to run for president on her green ticket. I don't know if that would actually happen, but it would very suddenly propel a third party into a legitimate alternative. Very interesting to think about.

[greymouse]

57. Wow, thank you Jill

instant ballot access in many states.

I'm still going for the brass ring of the Democratic nomination first, however.

[Svafa]

58. Absolutely. But it is interesting to think that

there might be more options if he doesn't get the Dem. nomination.


Here is the link to the podcast. The discussion relevant to this topic starts around minute 29 or so.

https://soundcloud.com/dennis-trainor-jr/09-jill-stein-interview-can-a

[dr60omg]

6. I am not giving up on Sanders

If people are trying to discourage Sanders voters don't we have a way of excluding them from this group in the same way Clinton voters exclude Sanders voters from posting in their group?

[merrily]

8. People can be blocked, but people are not necessarily *consciously* trying to discourage others.

I am asking people to stop and think.

[Pharaoh]

9. I'm not giving up!

This is the campaign of a lifetime and I'm proud to be a part of it.

[merrily]

10. Pharoah, "campaign of a lifetime" says so much!

I was glad, though it was purely arbitrary and symboolic, to have witnessed the start of a new millennium.

I am beside my myself to be witnessing this campaign, only it's too bad that the other candidate is not someone more like Bernie.

I'd be so disappointed if you were among those who had essentially given up.

This is the time for us to be working harder and donating more than ever, not making plans for what we do if/when Bernie loses.


Sea changes in US politics, thanks to Senator Sanders and his supporters http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280109865

Sanders has already won. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778005

A post on how we have already won http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280146713

[Pharaoh]

12. This is the most interesting presidential election in my lifetime

And I'm pretty old!

Take nothing for granted, anything can happen!

This movement is also a more forceful version of occupy.

So stay tuned! It's going to be a wild summer!

Keep the faith baby!

[merrily]

13. I hope it will be the most pivotal.

[LiberalArkie]

14. I think as a DUer state has voted a lot of their enthusiasm dies down. Everyone knew it would be

an uphill battle against the party machine. I have never see an election where it is more obvious. Party machines have been beat before and they will be beat again. Everyone must be very vigilant Tuesday.

Bernie can still win, I believe he will win. The party machine has a lot riding on this election even more so than in 1968. But unlike 1968 all the manipulation has been pretty damn visible and that is something that they do not like.

[merrily]

15. My state voted Super Tuesday and my enthusiasm has not died down. In 1968,

However, the Party bosses decided it was Humphrey's turn even though he was associated with Johnson's unpopular war policies.
there was no internet, no MSNBC, CNN or FOX News, etc. so the manipulation was not as visible.

There are a number parallels between 1968 and 2016.

In 1964, Johnson/Humphrey had had historic victories. Shortly after RFK entered the race, Johnson decided to drop out. I believe RFK could have won the general in 1968. However, Dem Party bosses decided it was Humphrey's turn even though he was associated with Johnson's unpopular war policies --probably the reason Johnson felt he would lose.

With Humphrey's cooperation, the party bosses tried to sell Humphrey as something he was not, while standing against McCarthy and RFK, who were inspiring many in the nation, especially its youth. Humphrey got the nomination and lost to Nixon, a two time VP under a popular President, who had been defeated in 1960 by one of the first Catholics to run for President, and the very first Catholic to make it. That's how bad a general candidate Nixon was.

[LiberalArkie]

16. Yea, and the kids now in 2016 are almost like I was in the 60's. The ones after me were all

"business" and wealth centered.

The parties are trying to run things like the 68 elections, but the internet is shining the lights and the roaches are scattering. A lot has been learned in 2015-16. I feel sorry for the establishment candidates in the midterms. It will not be easy for them whether Bernie wins or looses, a lot has been organized. New ways of doing things have been created. It is almost to the point where big media is no longer needed. Wall Street financing is no longer needed. Time is on our side this time.

[merrily]

23. The kids in the 60s were subject to the draft. Their lives were on the line They were much

more activist. So was the music industry, in its way.

Unlike many who participated then, I do not believe that ten to twelve years of demonstrating ended the draft. I think the neocons ended it. But, there is no sense re-litigating that, so I don't bring it up often.

[LiberalArkie]

26. You are correct in my thinking. I believe the draft was ended so that the chicken hawks

would not have their own kids involved in future wars. As much as I hated the draft, I believe we would have had less wars if we had kept the draft.

[mikehiggins]

29. The volunteer army was a big thrust of the Nixon regime

VietNam was still acceptable to a number of Americans but having their kids drafted into it was not.

[merrily]

31. We diiffer on the reasons. The powerful neocons were always able to keep themselves

and their kids out of the mess, draft or no draft.. I think they abolished the draft so America would largely ignore their empire building, regime changing, etc.

[LiberalArkie]

38. I think they abolished the draft so America would largely ignore their empire building, regime chan

That is what I figured. The wealthy or powerful now think of the ones that go to war more as just pawns since they are normally those that have to go to war to pay for an education. SO now (to me) war is just so that money can be moved from those at the bottom to MIC stock holders.

[jillan]

17. And that is a reminder to Hillary supporters that wander over here. This is where WE come to

discuss the upcoming election, and yes that does include Hillary. Obviously we do not support her or else we wouldn't be posting in this group.

[merrily]

20. Reminder to everyone. Bernie is in the race and he needs us to be donating and working.

[TBF]

18. +1000 - troll busting 101

We are only going to talk about WHEN Bernie WINS the nomination.

No sleep 'til convention.

#BernieOrBust

[merrily]

21. I like your the way you think!

[Plucketeer]

19. I am not into sports

Don't care for football, golf, none of it. That said, I do recognize the unflagging faith and dedication some have for "their team". Your team might have your allegiance because they're from your home town - because they're the team your dad and you always followed or maybe because your sister's boyfriend has a cousin who once played with them. Either way, you're likely to STAY faithful to your team no matter what. Am I right?

So here's the scenario. You and a friend are at a "game" where your two teams are in a playoff. It's fourth quarter, seventh inning, last half - whatever - and YOUR team is behind a bit. Your friend's team is leading - and naturally, the friend's giddy with anticipation. Then out of the blue, your friend says to you "Hey! Looks like my team's gonna win this. Why don't you dump your losers and start cheering for mine so's you can be part of the triumph that looms?"
Personally, if I thought my "friend" was serious, I'd get up and move to some other section of the bleachers. So for Hilla-rights to think we could just as casually dump our guy and throw in with their trickster - maybe we need to consider the flimsiness of their character.

BTW, my scenario is admittedly pretty weak. I would likely NOT be friends with anyone who thought I was that shallow!

[merrily]

22. That's right!

[Punkingal]

24. I won't give up on Bernie.

No way, no how, NEVER!

[merrily]

25. Good!

[antigop]

27. just donated. thanks. nt

[merrily]

32. Thank you!

[djean111]

28. I never get demoralized.

I just hit Full Ignore, and then they go away, not worth reading.

I sort of feel like that Anthony kid, in an old Twilight Zone episode. Piss him off, ya end up out in the cornfield, like a scarecrow.

My virtual cornfield has a LOT of scarecrows hanging out there. Instead of saying "I am Spartacus" they are saying "I am a Bernie Butter" or "I am a Brockwurst".

[merrily]

33. Brockwurst.

[djean111]

36. You may have missed my Brockwurst post......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=183045

Personally, I am going to assume all inane and torturous anti-Bernie stuff is "Brockwurst".

All flowery "I love/support/whatever Bernie, BUT" - Brockwurst.

All screeds that, boiled down, are just "you better support Hillary" - Brockwurst.

All word salads that attempt, Palin-style, to obfuscate and redefine Hillary's positions on things like war and fracking and means-testing Social Security as GOOD things - Brockwurst.

All commands to proceed on the assumption that Hillary has already "won" - yep!, old, past its sell-by date, Brockwurst.

Any post or OP that purports Bernie supporters don't support Hillary because we have woman issues - brockwurst.

And then I hit the Full Ignore, because it really is the issues, and Hillary is on record - or as much on record as a spinning top, a weather-vane, or a whirling Dervish can be, I guess.

And a little hilarious side effect - all the poutrage and outrage when it is suggested that a poster is a paid operative, or troll, as this is sometimes known - Bwahahahaha! Just like buying Facebook likes and Twitter followers, Hillary's campaign has a little army of paid trolls. Officially. since we cannot tell the difference, safest to assume all bullshit is Brockwurst. Old sausage ya wouldn't want to eat, but - sausage. Reddit thinks it is funny, too.

[merrily]

37. #she's with herself!

Yes, I did miss it. Thanks.

[LongTomH]

41. +1000 Post this as an OP, more people need to read it!

We need to make 'Brockwurst' a new meme! Come to think of it, I need to post it on some KC Bernie Facebook pages.

[djean111]

42. Feel free to do that - I am not sure an OP won't get alerted on.

Widdle feelings get hurt when the fucking OBVIOUS is pointed out, it seems.

[Svafa]

54. #brockwurst

[bbgrunt]

60. Brockwurst! I love it!

[Art_from_Ark]

70. LOL

"You're a bad, bad person!"

[Admiral Loinpresser]

30. KnR! n/t

[grasswire]

34. Because Bernie is out there every day fighting...

.....I am not quitting. Never, never, never.

NEVER NEVER NEVER

[merrily]

35. Good for you!

[Mike__M]

39. We are the future

There is no time to be discouraged.

[merrily]

40. AGREED!

[dana_b]

43. at times frustrated but NOT demoralized

I haven't even voted yet!

June 7th!

I get frustrated with a lot of the external b.s. that is going on but not with his campaign and I am still 100% behind him.

[merrily]

44. California

[dana_b]

49. Yep!

[merrily]

50. You're Ground Zero. Go for it!

[dana_b]

55. Amazing since we never seem to matter. lol..

We will!! As soon as I get into my new place (next weekend), I'll have more time to dedicate to helping Bernie.

[merrily]

56. You will matter this time. Every delegate matters this time.

[libodem]

45. Bernin love here

[merrily]

46. As it should be!

[libodem]

47. .

[imari362]

48. K&R

I was full force Obama in '08 but thought I would sit this cycle out, BUT with Bernie I have went into overdrive.

With Bernie it's the very first time it's not about me or my future, I can actually see what I want for my children and 10 grandchildren and that will only come about with President Sanders.

[stage left]

52. The day Bernie announced that he would run for President,

I sat down and cried. He is the best candidate of my lifetime. Not about to quit now.

[merrily]

53. I didn't cry, but I agree!

[Kalidurga]

59. Bernie is the life of the party.

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I am not giving up on the party I have been registered for since 1988. I was unaffiliated before that. I sincerely believe that Bernie is the only one that can lead the United States out of the deep psychosis it's in right now. There is literally nothing sane about our system. And if he loses I think it's the end of the party. So, I am not in it just for the best interest of the nation. I don't want my party to be destroyed as well.

[merrily]

61. Well said!

[Karma13612]

63. +100 eom

[Agony]

66. Rock and Roll is here to STAY! Bernin'

Thank You Bernie! for giving us hope that justice of all kinds will prevail after all!

Cheers!

[merrily]

74. It'll go down in history. It was meant to be that way! We don't care what people say.

The piano in the background is almost Jerry Lee Lewis-like. I saw him and Kid Rock do a tribute on a PBS show about, I think, Sun Records. As a result, I started liking both of them, while hating myself for it. Sigh. But I know of no child cousin bride or political issues with Danny and the Juniors.

[Kittycat]

67. Outstanding! Thank you Merrily.

:cheer:

[merrily]

73. Thank you. I love your blue, red and white birdie! I can't get enough of the Bernie Bird!

[dwrjr]

68. #BernieOrBernie

We were outside the convention in 1968.
We will be inside it in 2016.
Bernie will be our President.
When we all join together,
There is nothing we cannot accomplish!

[deepestblue]

71. President Sanders

Bernie will be our President.
When we all join together,
There is nothing we cannot accomplish!

[silvershadow]

69. Kick the disputers out. They are hiding posts WITHIN the group. Brock's goons. nt

[merrily]

72. Thanks! Please see Reply 8.

The kind of thing I am referring to is not so much disrupting as it is anxiety, perseverating, being discouraged--just giving up, or the closest thing to it.