TYT, Cenk, just said if Clinton is indicted before the convention, word in D C. has it that

[in_cog_ni_to]

CLINTON'S DELEGATES GO TO BIDEN, NOT BERNIE, AND BIDEN WILL GET THE NOMINATION!

Cenk is in D.C. for the WH Correspondents Dinner and the majority of people he talked to said this is the plan of TPTB!

I knew this was their plan! I predicted it days ago...right here.

They want a riot, apparently.

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[retrowire]

1. And a riot is what might just happen if they do.

What a time to get into politics. lol

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. No kidding. welcome back, retro!

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[retrowire]

16. ;) nt

[Baobab]

23. This is because of their WTO scheme that I keep telling people about

Basically, they want to push wages here down rather than let wages rise elsewhere which would end corruption both here and there. Its a global job swap. US jobs get traded away (by means of expansion of little known long existing guest worker programs here, not offshoring elsewhere- the swap is also in part for "national treatment" and "most favored nation" status in developing countries for big US corporations.

[Dont call me Shirley]

25. ....

[yourpaljoey]

2. Do Not Want

[bunnies]

27. +1.

[Nyan]

4. I doubt Biden will be up for it.

All things aside, I don't think Biden will go through with that.

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. I do.

That's why he's been schmoozing Bernie lately. Biden knows the plan. He's been defending Bernie and his policies lately and this is why. Playing the good cop against the DNC bad cop. DOG AND PONY SHOW...same shit, different day.

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[retrowire]

28. Woah. Consider my eyes opened.

I did not consider this but it makes sense. damn.

[bbgrunt]

38. yes. that is how they do it. well said.

[libdem4life]

60. Totally makes sense. If so. PBO is likely in the loop.

He was so adamant he would not comment on the candidates. Back to back room politics?

[Nyan]

61. I would have given Biden benefit of the doubt.

But I guess that's possible, theoretically.

And if they were to really go through with it, they can't make fun of GOP for their talk of brokered convention. If you can't have beef or fish, then go for Biden, is it?
And I don't think Hillary supporters are gonna be so thrilled about it, either.
I'm suddenly reminded of Bob Schieffer saying "Are these political parties going to survive 2016?"
Well. May be they won't. And I don't see the big downside of that, if this is the shape we're in.

[LarryNM]

65. Was Noticing This and wondering about Same n/t

[haikugal]

76. That's what I've been thinking too, it won't work well...nt

[Plucketeer]

84. Had me scratching my head

But what you say can certainly be rationalized! Not that we have any choice(s) in the matter (other'n totally CRUSHING with great numbers).
Should I feel guilty for appreciating that I'm up in my years???

[xloadiex]

89. I agree

I've been telling my husband this from the first time I heard Biden's comments about Bernie. It was one of those things that you hear and it just hits you that something is up.

[stillwaiting]

92. Yes. Everytime Biden praises Bernie I expect he's still preparing for a possible run.

At least keeping it open as an option.

He's been solid Third Way his entire career. He has OPENLY stated he's not a populist (which makes him an elitist that will do things that are not popular with average Americans).

Choosing Biden could result in very bad things for the Democratic Party. But, choosing Clinton as the nominee may as well. Hard to say, for me, which would result in more harm to the Party overall.

[JDPriestly]

58. Yes. He will. That's why the meeting with the Pope. Bernie had a meeting with the Pope, so Biden

needed one too. Honestly, this sounds like a repeat of some history that happened long ago.

[Bjornsdotter]

5. Biden is a no go for me

I will never forget or forgive how he treated Anita Hill during the hearing. If fact, I came really close to not voting for Obama because of that asshat.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. I agree. Anita Hill and

His Bankruptcy Bill did it for me. He's not the good guy everyone thinks he is!

I would never vote for him either.

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[yourpaljoey]

32. Blow Dry Jo is a big NO GO!!!

[hopemountain]

43. and phony shmoozing bernie makes me

this past year has certainly opened my eyes about the realities of how the working class, our country's environment and what we perceived to be our democracy have been corrupted by corporate greed.

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. They have pulled the curtain back and FULLY exposed just how corrupt they are!

Corrupt to the core! Their Dog and Pony show is OVER. They've shown us what the party really is and none of us want anything to do with it. Their days are numbered!

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[hopemountain]

48. yes, and their legacies will be fouled and

further exposed. they literally are sh**ting on us. time to get out of their way.

[BerninInBama]

41. Biden is a no go for me for the same reason as Hillary.

Iraq War vote. No one with a soul could have voted for it, as obviously unnecessary as it was.

[bjo59]

54. He's a no go for me too. His treatment of Anita Hill and

the fact that his son is now on the board of the largest Ukraine (shale) gas producer. That happened after the U.S. involved coup in Ukraine.

[MattSh]

63. And of all American elected officials...

Biden seems to spend more time in Kiev than any other. As if it's some kind of personal project for him...

[Bjornsdotter]

75. Interesting

I did not know that about his son.

[MissDeeds]

6. Rigged election

The will of the people means nothing to them.

1968 all over again.

Okay, let me get this straight. If this scenario plays out, they may throw delegates to a person who did not run in the primaries and did not win one freaking single vote, all in an effort to thwart a candidate who has worked his butt off, ignited a progressive movement not seen in decades, and has won numerous primaries.

Oh yeah. That's going to work out well. I see a mass exodus from the Democratic Party in our near future.

[Baobab]

24. Whatever they do, they will own it.

Hannah Arendt was right about "the Banality of evil"

[TheProgressive]

7. If that happens, it really would be the end of the Dem party as we know it...

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Truly...their

DEATH KNELL!

They will NEVER have the Millennial vote...the future of this country! They're insane if they do this.

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[MissDeeds]

17. Totally

But that may be the plan.

[TheProgressive]

20. It doesn't matter to the oligarchs if Clinton or Trump wins...

The oligarchs wins with either Clinton or Trump.

Dividing the Dem party... isn't that part of 'divide and conquer'... Of course it is...

Only with a Sanders presidency do 300+ million people in America stands a chance...

[MissDeeds]

37. I think I've come to the realization

that Bernie is far too honorable and ethical to ever be permitted to become president.

[agracie]

100. I agree completely.

[LongTomH]

8. If Joe is smart, he will decline.

Actually, I don't expect Hillary to be indicted before the convention; maybe not at all. She's just too powerful.

[greymouse]

14. she'll never be indicted

She could probably shoot someone on national television and walk.

[Bob41213]

49. I really don't see her getting indicted BUT...

If it gets to that point, I think it's going to be a pardon or a decision going against the FBI (with a leaked FBI report) which effectively kills her nomination. I think that's distinctly possible.

[leftcoastmountains]

10. Good grief I've never been a Democrat

but I usually voted with them. Now my eyes are open and
boy have I changed! I realize what 1968 was all about. Back then
I was 16 and totally unaware. It was due to Dems hubris that they lost
back then. But instead they implement these insane rules! I've been to
a few Democratic meetings locally and was not impressed. "No party
preference" is where I stay!

[w4rma]

51. I promise you, they don't want honest people at those meetings.

Which is why you should go to them. Be one of the honest people there.

[paulthompson]

13. I'm not sure that would happen

The delegate difference counts. Let's say the FBI does recommend an indictment of Clinton. The more delegates Sanders gets, the better a chance he has. From what I understand, if Clinton drops out, she can't control how her delegates vote, she can only encourage them. So let's say Sanders keeps it close and 90% of Clinton's delegates vote for Biden, but 10% vote for Sanders. That should push Sanders over the top.

There's also the big question of WHEN the FBI would do this (if they do it). Let's say it happens before June 7, when 800 delegates are at stake. If so, it's very possible that Sanders would win those states in a landslide, and get a majority of all the pledged delegates. That would make it much harder for a Biden scenario.

But if the FBI were to do that after June 7, it becomes harder to predict. Another wild card is that the FBI might not make their recommendation until after June 7, but Clinton could get interviewed by the FBI before then (which is almost guaranteed) and she could take the Fifth. Plus, I believe the FBI has been holding back on leaks because they don't want to tip their hand before the interviews. Once the interviews are over, it's likely there will be lots of damning leaks.

So even if the FBI dawdles, things could swing prior to June 7, leading to Sanders landslides that could cut off the Biden option.

But so many things can happen that it's impossible to predict. Amongst other things, it's also quite possible that Biden would say "no thanks!"

And by the way, please check out my Clinton email scandal timeline and this essay:

http://thompsontimeline.com/IS_CLINTON'S_EMAIL_SCANDAL_FOR_REAL%3F

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. I hope you're right...

I will definitely check out your new Timeline! Thanks for the link.

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[malokvale77]

15. If Biden has any decency at all...

He'll give it all to the man that earned it.

[MissDeeds]

18. I agree completely

In a perfect world. Unfortunately this is not a perfect world.

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. Not even close to a perfect world and

we're dealing with the most corrupt political party we've ever witnessed! At least the RNC is openly corrupt!

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[MissDeeds]

34. I agree

Totally corrupt. After the KS caucus, my husband and I went to the local courthouse and changed our party affiliation to Independent. It hurt like hell. We had been Democrats for over forty years each.

I come from many generations of Democrats. My great aunt was good friends with Truman's sister and had her as a guest in her home on numerous occasions.

My first memory of voting was with my grandmother who took me into the voting booth with her. When I asked her who she wanted to vote for she said "Why honey. Straight Democrat, of course."

I am saddened to see what has become of our party.

[danimich1]

59. My husband and I will become independents also

We're just waiting to see what happens with Bernie. I'm sickened by this party. I knew it was bad, but until this year I didn't realize just how bad it was. I was never a republican, but I feel like that's what I am if I stay registered as a democrat.

[HooptieWagon]

82. I'm wait and see also.

Our primary for state and local races is in a few months. I'll vote in that, and see what happens at the convention, but likely switching to NPA after 40 years a Democrat.

[dana_b]

21. then they will lose the GE and the Dem party

will fall in ruins.

Edit* and I will fly to Philly and fucking riot too.

[Mike__M]

85. Smart airlines and hotels would

cash in by offering Rioter Specials.

[dana_b]

91. lol... yeah!

Mention "pitchfork" and get a free breakfast coupon.

[CoffeeCat]

26. I've been saying this for several weeks

I predict that this is exactly what will happen.

I'm beyond the denial phase regarding all of this. It bores me.

Biden cannot keep a secret. His overtures to Bernie have been adorable. Honest Joe. Gotta love him.

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. Yep...

Me too coffee. I KNEW this was their fallback plan in case of indictment.

The nerve.

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[tex-wyo-dem]

73. You know, now it makes more sense why...

Early in the primary Biden Was almost always included in polls before he announced his decision whether to run or not. It was the DNC testing the waters for Biden.

[northernsouthern]

29. Wait where ate all of the HRC fans?

The ones decrying Bernie for trying to sway the superdelegates? I guess they are fine with this...figured their contempt was against the superdelegates subverting the will of the people...but if they are ok with this that would mean they are faking it?

[Kip Humphrey]

30. This same tactic destroyed the Democratic Party in 1968. Here we go again.

[highprincipleswork]

33. Really. And seriously? I mean, where do people go to cultivate their grey matter? Must be an awful

place.

[highprincipleswork]

31. I would not be happy with Biden either, especially after such shenanigans. Fuggedabout it.

[TexasBushwhacker]

35. Considering that Cruz is out and that polls show

Bernie beating Trump by double digits, that would be a really stupid thing to do. I certainly don't agree with Biden on a lot of things, but finishing his career with a loss in the GE and being blamed for tearing the Democratic party apart can't be all that attractive to him.

I have a friend who is Republican as they come. He liked Cruz. He HATES Trump and HRC. He said he would feel fine voting for Bernie in the GE and that he will stay home if the choice is between Trump and Hillary.

Keep in and the delegate count for the GOP is misleading because of the winner-take-all states. Most of Trump's wins are with less than 50% of the votes, many with less than 40%. Even with the endorsements of the LOSERS like Carson and Christie, there will be some who absolutely will not vote for him.

[Kip Humphrey]

36. Just imagine for a moment...

If 1,000,000 Berniecrats were to show up peacefully outside the DWS-DNC convention to demand Bernie either be nominated or continue to November as an Independent. Revolution.

[w4rma]

53. I think they'll ignore us, just like they continue to do. The only thing they respect is *power*. nt

[jillan]

39. I *think* Joe is supporting Bernie, so maybe he would do the right thing.

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. IMO, that's all an act.

Act 5 of their DOG AND PONY SHOW.

As I posted above, Biden schmoozing Bernie and defending Bernie's policies is Joe playing Good cop to the DNC Bad Cop. Joe knows the plan

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[paulthompson]

46. I agree

A couple of months ago, wasn't Biden saying some harsh things about Sanders? That's what I remember. By saying nice things now, he's doing his part to make sure Clinton doesn't win running away, in which case it won't be close enough for the "Biden option." So he's being savvy.

[SoapBox]

42. Biden...uh, no.

Riot...HELL yes!

Would they really have that much "brass"????

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. YES THEY WOULD!

Look at what they've done to Bernie already! Damn right they'd have the brass to do it....and they WILL, if they think they can get away with it.

They'll do anything to stop Bernie.

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[haikugal]

79. ^^^THIS^^^

[LovingA2andMI]

50. Cenk Said...

Jump in a lake and many folks would do that dumb s**t too.

There is no way Biden can "get" anything as he did not run in the primary, and as a result the DNC would break its' on rules and throw completely without trying any chance of a win against Trump by denying Bernie the nomination in this case scenario.

[in_cog_ni_to]

66. The DNC is making up rules as it goes along. If they want to give Clinton delegates to Biden,

they will.

If this scenario plays out, Bernie then has other options available.

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[bjo59]

52. I thought of this too.

A few months ago... have tried to keep it out of my mind.

[KPN]

55. Bernie or Bust! March on Philly!

[JDPriestly]

56. Exactly. That's why the meeting between Biden and the Pope was arranged.

Biden -- the 2005 Bankruptcy Bill man. No friend of the common debtridden former college graduate.

And we have Bernie. If Biden wanted the nomination, he should have run for it. He too is a lousy candidate.

If Biden is handed the nomination, it's a gift to Trump. And Trump will win against Biden.

Biden is a nice guy, but his nomination will ruin the Democratic Party.

I like Biden but this is not right.

And I believe this OP is right.

[grasswire]

57. over at freerepublic they are saying something a bit different.

They believe that the FBI will not make their move until AFTER the convention, leaving Democrats with no candidate. And at that point Biden/Warren will be pursuaded to step in. And they expect Trump to then be totally trashed by Biden/Warren in the GE.

[lostnfound]

69. Biden/Warren would be electable

Bernie would be electable in the general too, but Tptb won't back him

[grasswire]

71. yes, I know.

My first choice is always Bernie.

[lostnfound]

104. Mine too

It's really upsetting me that he isn't challenging some of these election results though -- asking for manual recounts.

[senz]

62. Discussion about this Friday when the vid came out about his meeting w/the Pope

We came to the same conclusion based on Biden's suddenly elevated profile.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017363778

[Kalidurga]

64. Great plan chase all the liberals out of the party and close the door on the Indies.

[riderinthestorm]

67. That there's even a contingency plan says a lot imo nt

[TBF]

68. Well no shit -

who wouldn't connect those dots when they saw Biden and Obama both praise Bernie recently. Trying to soften everyone up.

Personally I don't think Mr. Credit Card Company Biden is any better than Hillary Goldman Sachs Clinton.

But that's just me.

[in_cog_ni_to]

70. Yes.

They think we're stupid. Unfortunately for them, we're all on to their pathetic games. We now know exactly who they are and what they're doing. They won't get away with it this time. Sunshine does that.

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[Scootaloo]

72. Is creative speculation now a competitive sport?

[mopinko]

74. watch for the polls.

if we start seeing biden tossed into the dem polls, buy your ticket.

[saltpoint]

77. Did Cenk offer names for said powers

in this instance?

Hillary leads in delegates, but Sanders delegates will be visible on the floor and likely quite vocal in discussions about platform planks and the like.

My liking Joe Biden is a separate matter from my believing my party should select him over the popular support of its voting members in the (unlikely) event of an indictment Charles Pierce wrote that the email issue is "a big nothingburger," and I agree with him.

The Democratic Party needs to honor the participation of all its members. We send delegates in behalf of candidates for a reason, and the reason is a very good one.

I could better understand the GOP dumping Trump, even with a convention floor full of his idiot delegates, but would advise them to respect their voters' will. They generated Trump and have to own their fate. Ya ordered it, ya eat it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

81. No names. Everyone there were DC elites, Hollywood supporters and corrupt corporate owned MSM

talking heads. He did not name names or no one would ever talk to him again. He just said that that is the word traveling around the D.C. bubble...and it was repeated by a majority of the people he talked to.

It certainly makes sense, considering Biden's recent Bernie remarks, his secret trip to Kabul and his visit with the pope. I believe it's their plan B.

They will do whatever it takes to stop Bernie.

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[saltpoint]

83. I guess I'm kind of a fool for

intrigue, but I want the party to honor the voters' intentions. Three of our people dropped out and then it was down to Hillary and Bernie, who both put people to work, drew volunteer support, etc.

Sanders is disruptive to a lot of power broker types because he wants that third shift factory worker, that all-night nurse, that below-minimum wage worker -- all those folks -- to have a say in their democracy. The fat cats in the board rooms expressly do not want those folks to have a say.

In this cycle especially, Sanders has drawn such significant support because there are way more nurses and factory workers than there are corporate fat cats. The fat cats still hold the wallet, but Sanders' campaign has shown the workers that they hold they will.

[bigbrother05]

78. Only works if Warren comes on as VP

Having snagged the brass ring, Joe could bow out after 1 term to leave EW an open field for 2020.

12 dimension chess?

[dchill]

102. 12 dimension? Nah, just two...

and not very well played. The DLC/DNC does not yet understand the power of the internet or the will of those with true Democratic values who know what's going on, and how that is affecting their lives, and the life of the nation.

The revolution is coming, and it seems like it will be televised, after all.

[floriduck]

80. If it keeps Hillary away from 1600 Pennsylvania, I can live with that.

Biden is far from perfect but he's honest. And I would like Bernie as his running mate if he can't get the nomination. The important thing is to keep Hillary from doing further damage to the party and country.

[felix_numinous]

86. HRC can give her delegates to another candidate

no one voted for? If so her nomination being about a woman president would vanish along with any semblance of a democratic process we have left. People on both sides of the aisle would NOT go for it, including HRC supporters. This is not 2000, the public is a lot wiser and a lot worse off financially=awake.

Oh please I hope this is not true.

[Rebkeh]

87. I've long suspected something like this as a back up plan

The republicans tried something like it with Paul Ryan, it didn't work though.

[BillZBubb]

88. I'd bet Biden would decline. He'd know he was taking over the Titanic at that point.

For the party, if an indictment or even FBI recommendation to indict happens, it is get behind Bernie or lose the election.

[Rebkeh]

90. I thought that too but I think if he felt duty for his country call for him, he would

He also had his eye on the presidency in the past so we know he wanted to be president at some point.

I like him enough, but I'd be very upset at the party if they tried to pull something like this. I'm already not happy with them as it is, this would torpedo any hope for the party for me. We have a rare chance to get a progressive as president again, putting Biden in there against the will of the people would be wrong on so many levels. And no, Biden is a company man, a team player for the establishment even if he doesn't agree 100%, so I wouldn't count him as a progressive either.

I cannot think of anything more undemocratic than this.

[in_cog_ni_to]

93. They don't care which 1%er wins...Trump or the Queen 👑.

For the Oligarchs, one is just as good as the other.

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[tomm2thumbs]

94. and this just in

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/278702-judge-leaves-open-door-for-clinton-deposition-in-email-probe

[agracie]

95. Well, that is WRONG on so many levels, Was hoping Biden was better than that. Is that why he decided

not to run ? So he could wait in the wings and steal it at the last moment ? This entire election is all about stealing one way or another. Bernie does not deserve to be treated so poorly.

[questionseverything]

96. neither do the voters

[agracie]

99. Boy oh boy. How right you are.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

97. Joe is not going to do that

[restorefreedom]

98. video

https://m.

oh, and fuck that shit

#bernieorbust
#shesnotwithus

[brewens]

101. If that happens, the shit hits the fan and stays hit! If Biden wanted it, he should have ran.

Under those circumstances, Biden would have a real tough time anyway. I would otherwise had been inclined to vote for him rather than Hillary had Bernie not got in.

[PowerToThePeople]

103. I doubt that would happen.

Bernie would win by default.