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I am posting this article here in the Bernie Group because it is a very long and thoughtful analytical piece also with many many comments following. I realize that National Review has a right bent to it, but the discussion there should not frighten thoughtful people here.
First I will post just three of the comments. And then I will post a link to the article. And then an excerpt from the article.
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My name is Ed Coet. I am a retired US Army Intelligence Officer. In my last job in the army I was the Chief of the Human Intelligence Branch for the US European Command in Stuttgart, Germany. In that capacity I was also the Designated Program Manager for a Special Access Program (SAP) like the SAP that Hillary Clinton is alleged to have compromised in the most recent State Department Inspector General report to congress and which has been widely reported in the news.
Here is what I personally know about SAPs and what I can attest to in an unclassified forum:
1. The names of each SAP are themselves classified Top Secret because the information within the SAP are far and above Top Secret.
2. SAPs are so sensitive that even people who have security clearances giving them access to Top Secret Sensitive Compartment Information (TS SCI), an enormously high security clearance level, cannot have accesses to a SAPs unless they receive a special indoctrination into the SAP based on an operational "must know" that exceeds all other "need to know" standards.
3. Being "read on" for a SAP is far more then acknowledging in writing that you have been briefed on the SAP. It is an in-depth "indoctrination" into the given SAP, and each SAP is itself compartmented separately from other SAPS. Having access to one SAP does not give you access to another SAP, and in fact rarely does. Only a tiny handful of people have knowledge of all SAPs. SAPs are the most stringently compartmented and protected information in the entire US government.
4. Unlike Top Secret SCI which is maintained in highly secure Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilitates (SCIFs) managed by specially trained Special Security Officers (SSOs) at various levels of command, every single SAP is managed by an individually designated Program Manager for each individual SAP covering an entire theater of operations. In other words, SAP Program Managers are far fewer in number than there is SSOs. SSOs are not cleared to even know about SAPs or to maintain information about them in their already enormously secure SCIFs. How SAPs are secured cannot be discussed because of the sensitive beyond Top Secret nature in which it is done.
5. Unlike individuals with the highest Top Secret SCI access security clearances, who must undergo a special background information with periodic "bring-up" background investigation, those tiny few who have access to SAPs must also endure periodic polygraph tests in addition to the most comprehensive of special background investigations. I used to have to schedule four-star generals and admirals to be polygraphed in order for them to maintain their access to my SAP. Many generals and admirals who obviously have the highest security clearances still did not rate being indoctrinated into my SAP. In fact, they didnt even know the SAP existed.
6. Compromise of a SAP is the single most dangerous security violation that can ever happen to the USA. Even the enormously damaging revelations of the Edward Snowdens TOP Secret SCI security compromise does not reach the level of a SAP compromise.
7. To put SAP information in to an unsecure sever like Hillary Clintons unsecure server is a class one felony that could, in some cases, result in life in prison. That is because such a compromise is so dangerous that it could and likely will result in the death of people protected by and within the scope of the SAP.
As a former SAP Program Manager I believe it is inconceivable that if it is verified that Hillary Clintons server actually had SAP information on it that she could possibly escape indictment and criminal prosecution. As hard as it is to imagine, that would even be worse then electing to not prosecute a mass murdering serial killer because even they could not inflict as much damage on our country as the compromise of a SAP. Compromise of a SAP not only could but without doubt would cause serious damage to our national security.
If it is true that Hillary Clinton had SAP information on her unsecure server, whether it was marked or not, you can be sure that the FBI will strongly recommend that charges be brought against Hillary Clinton and continue in an exhaustive investigation to trace back to every single person that had even the tiniest role in this unbelievable security compromise.
If the Attorney General, through "prosecutorial discretion," elected not to prosecute this crime, I believe congress would have no alternative but to impeach her, and the FBI would then have no choice but to conduct a criminal investigation of her for a deliberate cover up - so grave is this security violation.
If President Obama were to pardon Hillary Clinton for a compromise of this magnitude he would render himself in the historical record as an "enemy of the state," and could himself face criminal prosecution - so grave is such a security compromise. Nobody, not even the POTUS could gets away with something like this in our system of government.
If anyone could escape persecution for compromising a SAP, we are deep trouble as a nation. No president who loves this country and is true to his oath would ever allow anyone, not even his or her closest and most loved relative, to get away with a SAP compromise. It is simply unimaginable that this could ever happen.
If the ongoing investigation finds that Hillarååy Clinton compromised a SAP, then we all should know with certainty, regardless of political persuasion, that she is entirely unfit to hold public office of any kind let alone President of the USA and ALL Americans should never tolerate it. Compromising a SAP is an absolute "disqualifier" for public office and access to our nations most sensitive information period.
ED COET
Major, US Army (Retired)
P.S. It is my sincere hope that each of you will share this article, to help other Americans understand how grave Hillary Clintons alleged SAP compromise is. We cant allow anyone so careless with this level of information to have access to any classified information ever again for as long as she lives. This would surely render her unqualified and unfit to hold any public office let alone POTUS if this allegation proves to be true.
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Johnathan Swift Jr. 2 hours ago
The Case Against Clinton:
The federal governments case against Mrs. Clinton and a number of her former staff members during her tenure as the United States Secretary of State is clear and compelling. It is so straightforward and indisputable that even the most rabid Clinton partisan - say one of their grizzled veterans of the coke-hazed era of Bimbo Eruptions and disappearing billing records, who has just a few synapses firing - should even be able to understand it.
Everyone who does to work for the federal government, either as an employee or who works for a contractor in its employ, who is likely to read, discuss, use, create or develop classified documents, data or information receives a number of stern, serious briefings, countless briefings in fact. The employee or contractor is also required to sign a number of entry and exit documents pertaining to their understanding of the rules and federal laws regarding government records and state secrets.
Understanding the penalties for non-compliance and non disclosure including many years in federal prison - for failing to follow the rules and laws which were created to safeguard all of the governments information and especially its classified information is part of these briefings and documents, which are signed under the penalty for perjury. Because she signed such documents, knowing full well that she was personally maintaining a server with tens of thousands of government documents in digital form on them, all her inbound and outbound communications over a four year period, perjury is just the first and most obvious count against her.
We now know that Mrs. Clinton signed such documents, attesting to her compliance with the law, stating that she was abundantly clear of the laws because after countless FOIA suits, they have been produced and with her signature no less. And of course, the very document she signed makes it abundantly clear that her oft repeated subterfuge about markings, is of no consequence for it is the nature of the information that is classified, regardless of whether someone stripped it of its origins, headers, disclaimers and markings in an act of malfeasance or negligence. If this wasnt the case, all any spy would have to do would be to disguise the origins of state secrets or to copy the contents of a document to be free and clear and this is clearly not the case.
No one, no matter how august the personage, is excepted from these laws, nor above them and furthermore the laws and briefings make it abundantly clear that anyone who even suspects that there has been a breach of security - that documents are not where they should be - has an affirmative requirement to report such a breach and is subject to prosecution for such a breach. Not reporting the existence of all of the records that she either received or caused or conspired to be removed from a secure government server and then transferred in some way to her own secret system was a crime in itself. When anyone with a security clearance becomes aware of even a possible breach, they are compelled by law to report it.
Everything in this case flows from one simple and easy to understand and undeniable fact, one that is Mrs. Clintons original sin in this case. The existence of her own private server network which was designed to have, hold and hide government documents and the state secrets that were a large part of her job, is the smoking gun, in this case. Even before she took office as Secretary of State, Mrs. Clinton and her confederates set out on a grand conspiracy to steal government documents and state secrets, to create what was possibly the largest security breach ever perpetrated by an official of the United States government, at least since the early days of the Cold War, when the atomic bomb secrets were stolen. She and her staff decided that they were going to construct and maintain their own computer network in order to capture and maintain all of her digital communication from her entire tenure as Secretary of State, in fact her entire digital footprint and virtually all of the documents that would have to be communicated to her for her tenure at state as well as countless communications of her confederates.
The level of premeditation, organization and arrogance of this scheme is simply breathtaking. Before taking office, she and her fellow plotters purchased a domain name and in an act of breathtaking hubris and stupidity, registered it openly, in her name, at her address, not even choosing a private registration. Thus, she might as well have painted a large target on her house for hackers, as they are known to play close attention to interesting domain registrations. The fact that she set out on this illegal course with malice and forethought is clear, because she refused to open a secure government e-Mail account when she was required to do so, knowing full well that she should and would not have direct access to anything on the secure government system in her role as Secretary of State. She also refused to use an encrypted government Blackberry, which would have allowed her to send and receive protected communications. Instead, she used a conventional handset, which would be relatively easy for foreign powers to pierce.
Now again, even the most mentally challenged reader would know that logically, there is no way in todays world for the Secretary of State, who is fifth in the line of Presidential Succession, to be able to do his or her job today without seeing and creating countless secret documents in digital form, especially as they are often trotting the globe, meeting with foreign leaders. The government rates every communication between a cabinet secretary and her staff as at least sensitive and of course, depending on what is being discussed, it can go to the highest levels of state secrecy. Her schedule and daily movements alone would be of great interest to a foreign power or terrorist organization. Once on the road or even when she was in the United States and away from her office in Foggy Bottom, she would have to receive phone calls and e-mails that included sensitive and classified information. However, because, by choice, she was not able to receive those through the governments protected network, everything had to be routed through her conventional cell phone or her own poorly designed and protected server system, placing it all at risk of being intercepted by free lance or state sponsored hackers.
Any record of a private conversation with a foreign diplomat from someone at State is automatically classified and to be protected at all costs from exposure. A Secretary would routinely be sent information on military campaigns and capabilities, which of course would be of great value to foreign governments or of course terrorists. And, a Secretary may even be sent the names of covert operatives who work under State Department cover at embassies, or even the names of foreign operatives information of such gravity that exposure could mean death to those exposed. Movements of State Department personnel ambassadors for example and the security of State Department embassies and facilities would be something that one would see in the communications to a Secretary of State. All of this would be only sent to someone with the faith that this flow of information was being transferred on a secure system and being maintained and archived according to the laws of the United States.
Now, what Mrs. Clinton and her plotters did was breathtaking in its gravity. They simply stole her entire digital footprint as Secretary of State for four years and maintained it on her own secret server system, which was either located at her house or at the Clinton family offices in New York, or possibly mirrored in both locations, it is not yet clear which is the case. For four years, her confederates downloaded information from the State Departments secure system and then copied that information classified information minus its origins and markings - in some manner and sent the very sensitive and classified information that is necessary for her to do her job to her unsecured system. This took a number of steps, so it was very clear that they were consciously committing a crime each time they did so. Not just a few innocuous and stray e-mails, but all of her e-mails and all of the classified briefing information that she had to know in order to do her job. It was all stolen from government systems and then transferred to her secret system, in an elaborate conspiracy to avoid Constitutionally-mandated Congressional oversight and of course the Freedom of Information Act. She and her team of plotters stole thousands and thousands of documents, then maintained them on a secret server, then after she left office, it was all transferred to the care of a computer firm that does not even have a security clearance and they kept it in a water closet. The fact that she had no intention of ever turning over any of this information to the government was made clear by the fact that when she signed out of her role as Secretary of State, she was required to turn over any work product or communications that she may have inadvertently
And of course trying to blame this on her staff simply wont wash. If this was innocuous, unintentional, once she saw the first classified information or discussion about anything to do with her work as one of the most powerful people in the government come across the digital transom, she was compelled by law to report the breach and would have stopped the practice, nipping this whole thing in the bud. However, she did this for four years.
And by the way, when satellite intelligence is compromised and proved to have been collected by a hostile power it's actually a might bit more serious than people have been indicating, it is actaully a death penality offense, but with all the cackling and coughing, few people are aware of the seriousness of the crimes she committed, based only on public information and we know here server had satellite intelligence according to the Inspector General.
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Johnathan Swift Jr. 2 hours ago
First set of lies from the original press conference:
Here are a few solely from that UN Press Conference over her emails
First, when I got to work as secretary of state, I opted for convenience to use my personal email account
(that account was specifically created days before she started solely for the job. It wasnt her personal account)
I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal emails instead of two.
(she had multiple devices up to at least 4, in fact, according to her own words)
I fully complied with every rule that I was governed by
(not surprisingly, storing sensitive & classified Government records on home servers away from Government ever having access to it is against the rules)
I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material.
(except, of course, for those nearly 1.700 classified and 43 Top Secrete emails weve been made aware of so far)
But as I as I said, I saw it as a matter of convenience, and it was allowed. Others had done it.
(no one had a private server to capture everything away from Government hands, and no one else used solely private accounts. They had Official accounts and personal accounts. She never had an official account despite her aids even recommending she use one)
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Matt Matter tfile 5 hours ago
Because at the end of the day, we would like to think we are not Democrats, Republicans or Independents, but still Americans and that a sense of fair play and doing what is right will in the end win out over parochial interests. In other words, do what's best for your country not what you perceive as the political party you happened to support.
Clearest case of what needs to be done to further the American political ideal in the last 100 years. Let her HRC stand the court, if she's not guilty, let it play itself out. Failure to do anything else leaves half this country with the belief that justice was politically thwarted.
Makes us a banana republic and will only lead to the additional fragmentation of this country. Not what I think you want to see happen. Gonna lead to the United States of Democrats and the Unites States of Republicans. Signs are already there. Be a patriot, and do the right thing and demand accountability to save your country letting the chips fall where they may.
Imagine for a moment, if Nixon had been able to thwart impeachment through denying any potential prosecutorial oversight. That would have fundamentally changed this country. The shoe is now on the other foot, and only the integrity of doing what is right will not prevent a massive constitutional crisis. You cannot nominate someone who so openly and blazingly disregarded national security protocols.
Why then should not the rest of the country who doesn't agree with failure to indict, then not secede since this is no longer the government which is a nation of laws? Riddle me that batman? Tell me why we aren't one step closer to armed rebellion and secession at a grand scale. Everyone who is in the Department of Defense knows that HRC broke the law. Everyone, doesn't matter whether they are Dems, Reps, or Independents, we all know.
You would think that the potential impacts of the downstream effects associated with this, would scare the hell out of you, because you cannot have a government in which half the people perceive the POTUS as illegitimately elected because the Obama administration protected Clinton from prosecution. Then we are just a spark away from turning on each other.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435393/hillary-clinton-e-mails-Cheryl-Mills-DOJ
Why would the Justice Department agree to such a restriction? Here, the Post kicks up some sand, tossing into the mix that Mills is an attorney herself. But as someone once said, what difference, at this point, does that make?
RELATED: The Clinton E-mail Case Transcends Hillarys Presidential Campaign Mills was not Clintons lawyer not at the State Department and not in the production of the e-mails to the State Department nearly two years later. Mills was a government official when the improper e-mail communications arrangement was in use. Her own actions and communications with Clinton and others in connection with the production and destruction of e-mails is highly relevant. Moreover, absent a written waiver from the government, the rules of professional ethics forbid a lawyer who has been a public official from representing a client in connection with a matter in which the lawyer participated personally and substantially as a public officer or employee.
This rule would bar Mills from acting as Clintons lawyer even if another obvious conflict of interest did not already prevent such an arrangement (namely, the fact that they are joint participants in potentially criminal transactions under investigation).
Remember, Clinton, Mills, and other top Clinton staffers knew that Clintons e-mails were not preserved in State Department files. They knew this notwithstanding that federal law and procedure, which discourage any use of private e-mail accounts for government business (let alone systematic use of private e-mail), require that, if private e-mail is used for an official communication, a copy of that communication must be placed in government files. Clinton and Mills well knew that this was not done. The e-mails remained stored on Clintons private server for nearly two years after Clinton and Mills left the State Department at the end of President Obamas first term in early
December 2014, under pressure from public and congressional demands for information, the State Department finally requested that Clinton surrender any government records she may have kept when she left. Only then did Clinton acknowledge the homebrew server system on which 62,320 e-mails were said to be stored. Of these, only 30,490 were turned over to the State Department in a paper form that was impossible to search digitally, forcing the Department to expend mammoth resources and taxpayer dollars to scan them into its filing system. Clinton then unilaterally deemed the remaining 31,830 e-mails private, personal records which she undertook to destroy by deleting them, despite their having been significant enough to preserve up until that point.
Destroying government files is a felony, every bit as much as is mishandling classified information. (See my column discussing federal embezzlement statute and Shannen Coffins column discussing federal concealment and destruction statute.) Moreover, if those 31,830 e-mails contained information responsive to FOIA requests, congressional investigations (e.g., probes of Benghazi and the State Departments abuse of FOIA), or due-process discovery rules governing judicial proceedings (e.g., the Khatallah case involving the Benghazi massacre), attempting to destroy them by deleting them could amount to felony obstruction of judicial or other governmental proceedings. Before Clinton tried to destroy those thousands of e-mails (some or all of which the FBI may since have been able to retrieve from the server), it was her duty to review them with the State Department to assure its concurrence that they were indeed private. For now, we have only the dubious say-so of Clinton and her confederates. The FBI and the rest of us are expected to believe one of the highest-ranking, busiest officials in the United States government had time for 31,830 e-mails about yoga routines, wedding gowns, and the like.
How can it be possible that the FBI is not being permitted by the Justice Department to ask a key witness an accomplice witness about one of the central transactions under investigation? "
NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)Take down The Machine before it takes down America...
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Mbrow
(1,090 posts)Thanks!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)that the alerters find so objectionable.
Maybe - just maybe - it's the content: people who are knowledgeable of data security storage and how bad this looks for a certain Democratic candidate.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)It is especially helpful coming from someone familiar with the seriousness of special access programs, which obviously can't really be described. It must be infuriating to those in the know how dismissive the Clinton campaign has been about this issue - when they've deigned to speak of it. I am sure she is scared shitless behind all that bravado, since she obviously knows what a grave offense - if discovered - this SAP business would be.
onecaliberal
(35,125 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Censorship be damned.
Let us not be afraid of ideas, of opinions, of words. We evaluate them for ourselves.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)this is wild watching this being censored over and over
grasswire
(50,130 posts)so if anyone has them, please post.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)The great disappearing thread. Orwellian.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Guess all the Hillary Supporters have gone off to bed.
The review was completed at 0-7 to leave it.
onecaliberal
(35,125 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)... But rather asks us all to just forget and move on because she is... Hillary.
This thread and its content from National Review has been locked 2x that I know of and they dare to post it once again. Please do not allow posts from Nat. Review on a Democratic discussion board. Thank you.
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thereismore
(13,326 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)No denial of fact...
Just a request that we all move on for the greater good. Gosh, that sounds familiar...
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)0-7 .... #FeelTheBern
dooner
(1,217 posts).. shouldn't somebody (besides her aides) have noticed immediately that Hillary's was using a private server and private email for official State Department business? Doesn't our government have a network security department for monitoring things like this?
I'm baffled by how this went on for so long without anybody noticing or questioning it.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I just hope this doesn't bite Obama himself. He may have some exposure to risk. He exchanged emails with her about twenty times, IIRC.
Another question is this: the NSA scoops up everything. Wouldn't they be alarmed about top secret info being transmitted through an unsecure server (at least one instance was their OWN communication that had been pirated somehow and copied into a Blumenthal email)?
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)maybe they'd have had the time
but alas, my conversations with my mother about her failing health need to be monitored by spies because we might be terrists!
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)then you will be as informed as you possibly can on exactly what Clinton did in using her private email server.
There is an intense disinformation campaign, spread by Clinton and some of her supporters, that dissuades Democrats from researching, discussing or even paying attention to this very serious issue. We're wrist slapped for posting about the subject. We're told its nothing but a "right-wing smear."
These talking-point purveyors do a grave disservice to you, and to Democrats when they speak this way. Democrats need to be informed. This situation is so serious. What Clinton did is so serious that the FBI has been investigating her and her server for more than a year.
The FBI announced in late April that the investigative groundwork is complete. Interviews with Clinton and her aids are all that remains. We should have FBI results sometime in June or early July. This affects our primary and our Presidential election.
And some Hillary supporters are trying to bamboozle us into believing that it's no big deal and that only bad Democrats discuss this issue. That's nonsense.
I've researched the laws, and what Clibton did. She certainly deserves to be indicted. She broke laws. She mishandled classified information. Her actions are unprecedented. I see this as worse than Watergate. I think our party is facing an impending crisis due to Clinton's actions.
Responsible Democrats are informed about this issue. They take it seriously and help their fellow Democrats prepare for what could happen. They don't try to 'talking point away' the issue as part of some selfish reputation-management scheme to benefit Hillary's image.
I hope Democrats continue to talk about, research and face this serious situation.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)People are posting there who have significant information that we have not previously seen. I am about half way through the comments, and must share this.
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Paul R. Jones Ray Thorne 11 hours ago
This is the blue print for how a DEEP THROAT is born.
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xdream Ray Thorne 12 hours ago
Maybe the leak came from targets of the investigation, and not the Justice Department at all...
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qauthority 13 hours ago
My guess is that there's a real tug of war going on between the Justice Department and the FBI. The Justice Department - and more particularly the Obama White House - wants this investigation to be done already, with a finding that Hillary has done nothing wrong. In other words, they're trying to fix this but the FBI is not playing along and may even be finding evidence that she should be indicted. That's why we're getting these repeated statements from Comey that this investigation may well go past the Democratic convention and maybe even past Election day. If the FBI has been able to recover some portion of the 30,000 emails she deleted, there could be a lot of ground to cover.
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Paul R. Jones qauthority 11 hours ago
A reminder to all who are following the Hillary saga: DOJ/FBI investigations are being done at the behest of this Republic's 17-INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY AGENCIES who discovered 22-TOP SECRET-SPECIAL ACCESS PROGRAMS on Hillary's personal un-secure server/storage unit two years she left office plus 2000+ lessor classified messages.
These 17 are a no-nonsense lot! Standing just 'off-stage' is yet a more formidable player with very sharp teeth:NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL. Members of this COUNCIL have a vested interest in how the Hillary investigations are conducted as one of their own ran a wide open private server/storage unit that trafficked all of the Secretary of State email for 4-years including having 22-T.S./S.A.P. messages on a serve/storage unit in an small IT company in Colorado along with 2000+ lessor messages not sanctioned by the NSA. Remember, the NSA had a history with Hillary wanting to circumvent national security protocol by wanting to use her un-secure BLACKBERRY in a SCIF...Hillary wanted a BLACKBERRY like the NSA provided to President Obama but was told to "...go color and shut up..."
For President Obama to go out of his way to 'pick a fight' with the 17 and the NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL by 'poking' them in the eye and interfering with Hillary's investigations creates monumental unknown political problems, brings the question of the rule of law disappearing, yet more violations of Title 18 and 50. For President Obama to protect the hide of Hillary because she is "Hillary" would require in my opinion, expenditure of huge amounts of political capital for a person who has more than earned the consequences for her unconscionable 'gross negligence acts' in handing this Republics secrets of the more secret.
Lastly, future Administrations have the Hillary mess as a legacy to deal with and has the 17 and NCS at odds with the next Administrations in the enforcement of violations of Title 18 & 50 by other Cabinet officers, politicians and government works who would invoke the 'HILLARY DEFENSE.'
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Staggering.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)- thank you for the re-post.
this is an investigation which should be fully acknowledged, discussed, and understood - not censored, regardless of the source. as a matter of fact, the 'source' adds another layer of perspective which should not be ignored.
onecaliberal
(35,125 posts)Done these things it's a grave danger to national security.