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appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:43 PM May 2016

Why Hillary Clinton Tied with Sanders in Kentucky after Getting Demolished in West Virginia

*Why Hillary Clinton Tied in Kentucky After Getting Demolished in West Virginia*, Washington Post, May 18, 2016.

One week after Hillary Clinton lost the relatively conservative Appalachian state of West Virginia, she is declaring a narrow win in the relatively conservative Appalachian state of Kentucky. We don't have data from exit polling, and the race has not officially been called for Clinton, who leads by half a percentage point, but there are a few differences between the states that can explain a shift of 15 or so points over the course of seven days.
Kentucky was a closed primary: Bernie Sanders has consistently seen almost a third of his support come from voters who identify themselves as independents. In West Virginia, exit polls reported by CNN showed that Sanders lost among Democrats but won among independents — a group that made up a third of the electorate. (It was apparently the fifth state in which independents gave Sanders a win.)

With the exception of the unusual, multi-day Democrats Abroad primary, Clinton has won every single contest that was a closed primary — meaning only Democrats could vote and it wasn't a caucus. (Sanders has won far more caucuses than Clinton.) The fact that only Democrats could vote in Kentucky played to Clinton's advantage. Clinton has won with Democrats in every state for which we have exit poll data, save three. Sanders has won with independents by the same ratio. There are more black voters in Kentucky than in West Virginia: The density of the black population in a state has been an excellent predictor of the results of the contest. There are a number of wide divisions in the Democratic electorate — young people vastly prefer Sanders and old people prefer Clinton, for example. But those demographic groups are pretty consistent across states. It's when a state has a large black population — a group of voters who have consistently strongly backed Clinton over the course of the primaries — that Clinton is much more likely to win.
Again, there are no exit polls from Kentucky. But in 2008, black voters were 9 percent of the electorate in Kentucky to 3 percent in West Virginia. (Last week, the percentage in West Virginia was the same.)

Clinton spent money: As Clinton has tried to turn her attention to the general election, she has consistently been outspent by Sanders in recent contests. That wasn't the case in Kentucky — at least in terms of TV ad spending.
The protest vote appears to have been smaller: After Sanders's victory last week, we noted that the number of people who voted for neither candidate was higher than in any other state so far.
As of writing, more than 5 percent of Kentucky voters picked "uncommitted" as their choice for president — a built-in protest mechanism. Last week, about 1 in 8 votes went for a non-Clinton, non-Sanders candidate. (The main beneficiary? A Huntington lawyer.) This is probably related to the fact that fewer independents turned out, but in a contest between an insider and an outsider, fewer protest votes should help the insider.

There's only one way in which a Clinton win would actually make a difference, of course. Since the Democrats allocate delegates proportionally, both candidates will get about the same number of delegates — good news for Clinton and bad news for Sanders, who needs to start winning delegates by overwhelming margins.
But Sanders has argued that a late sweep of states would demonstrate to superdelegates that the will of the party is with him. That argument depended heavily on continuing to win state contests, however little difference it made for his delegate total. He hoped to make the argument that he had momentum — an argument he made coming into the New York primary as well.
What happened in Kentucky had nothing to do with momentum one way or the other, as we articulate above. It was a state that offered Clinton fundamental advantages, allowing her to squeak past Sanders by the skin of her teeth.

Incl. Video Clip, CBS This Morning Election News, http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-hillary-clinton-tied-in-kentucky-after-getting-demolished-in-west-virginia/ar-BBtciEv?ocid=spartandhp

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appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
2. It was an impressive show of support for Sanders, and dismal for Clinton
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:42 PM
May 2016

given her huge lead in 2008 and Bill's wins in the Commonwealth of KY in 1992 and 1996.

HUGE Thank You to KENTUCKY Berners!

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
3. She will go into the Convention barely dragging her feet. That's why they want Bernie to stop,
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:02 PM
May 2016

but she can't say spit because she was pushing hard in 2008. Karma!

appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
4. The repetition and hypocrisy are blatant. And truth is coming out about
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:10 PM
May 2016

why the recent Nevada incident, the overreaction by the establishment and the media, much more. Stay tuned. Listen to what TYT said last night posted here.

Near the finish line...with the Champion Long Distance Runner still strong!

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
5. I know! Amazing! Coming from 60 pts. behind just a year ago, an unknown, to a virtual tie!
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:41 PM
May 2016

All on upward momentum and better polling for a GE matchup against Trump! He is doing astounding!

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
6. What amazes me is that people in general are not giving up on him. You'd naively expect the people
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:55 PM
May 2016

of this country to be conditioned by TV, with short attention spans, ready to drop him for the newest distraction.


He is truly remarkable in how he manages to keep the nation on its toes long after the MSM has gone into the commercial break, so to speak.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
8. that's what's distorting everything: the party's managed to seal itself off from
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:49 PM
May 2016

the electorate: dwindling from half to 29-26% of the electorate was advantageous for them when they could pretend only the GOP was the enemy--but now most voters are indys

so Sanders is popular nationwide but is fighting an arduous fight within the party, especially in closed states

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
7. I would also point out that only 17% of eligible voters camed out in KY.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:29 PM
May 2016

I haven't seen the breakdown of the vote though.

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