Interesting conversation I had yesterday at a meeting.

[jillan]

There is a small group of us that do the same type of work, so we get together once a month for a lunch meeting.

Sometime around November we went around saying who we would vote for. Imagine my surprise when I found out that only 2 of us were liberals! There were 3 Trump supporters in this group - eeek! They seemed so normal too.

Yesterday one of the Trump supporters pulled me aside and asked me if I still supported Bernie. Yep more than ever I told him.
He said to me - ya know, I've been listening to him. I really like Bernie & what he has to say. If somehow he wins the nomination I think I would vote for him instead of Trump.

There ya go. Here's a guy in his 60s, never voted for a Democrat in his life & is now considering voting for Bernie.

It's amazing. I heard this guy in November talk about why he supported Trump. (Immigration, social issues)
And all I could think about while he was telling me that he now likes Bernie was Bernie's speech at Liberty University when he told them, yeah we have our differences but there is also common ground. We need to work together on that common ground.

This is what the msm and the Brockalytes of the world do not get. They try to paint Bernie as some kind of monster, some kind of fringe candidate but what people see is an honest man that does not play games & is looking out for the best interests of the American people.
And that reaches across party lines.

And reaching across party lines wins national elections.

[bjo59]

1. Very well said.

"This is what the msm and the Brockalytes of the world do not get. They try to paint Bernie as some kind of monster, some kind of fringe candidate but what people see is an honest man that does not play games & is looking out for the best interests of the American people.
And that reaches across party lines.

And reaching across party lines wins national elections."


Couldn't agree more.

[jillan]

4. And they think Hillary can win without even independents. It's unreal.

[Baobab]

5. Bernie would bring the country together

we really need that badly...

[Bernin4U]

25. We've been programmed to want a Slim Shady

Teflon Ronnie, Slick Willie. Who here thinks Obama would've had a chance against Romney, if not for his off-the-charts charisma?

[deepestblue]

2. Sanders vs. Trump will be a Bernie Landslide of Epic Proportions

President Sanders!

[jillan]

3. I really wish he would give the middle finger to the DNC after the way they treated him & run as an

independent. He doesn't need them. His supporters get upset & the establishment makes him apologize while her supporters are arrested for assaulting Bernie supporters.
He doesn't owe them a thing.

If he would run as an independent, he'd win that landslide.

[libdem4life]

34. I just happened to be watching Rachel this evening and she had a segment

on the reality...that I didn't know...that only the Libertarian Party is able to be on the ballot in all 50 states. Perhaps that is why he is running as a Democrat.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

6. K&R This is a Great Story..

Thank you so much for sharing! If only our media would show Bernie like they do Trump.

I see Donald Trump trying to tear people apart, while Bernie is trying so hard to
bring people together..

[jillan]

7. Thanks for posting that clip. I will definitely watch it again!

[deepestblue]

8. I think Bernie will be the nominee but if not then I hope & estimate he'll run indie

Here's a clip with some scenes from the Liberty University speech

[Peace Patriot]

9. I think we have to become a little savvier about how things are decided among the Oligarchs.

For instance, Donald Trump was nothing, politically--a clown, a joke--but the Corrupt Media gave him billions of dollars worth of free political ads from the moment he announced, with 24/7 coverage of his every sneeze for months and months. They CREATED Donald Trump, the candidate.

They meanwhile, of course, tried to bury Bernie Sanders in a black hole of no-coverage for the first six months of his campaign, and have treated him as a footnote to the 'news' that Clinton is 'winning,' even when he has blowout victories. Whatever the victory--no matter how big or surprising--'Sanders, of course, can't win.' And, for his 12 pt. victory in Oregon, they put on the "violent" Bernie show. You want this guy to beat up your grandmother?

It makes sense that the Corrupt Media DON'T WANT SANDERS' IDEAS ON TV, and of course are horrified at the idea that he could be elected. I mean, the Corrupt Media is bad. They're really very, very, very bad. They are a Stalinist-like propaganda machine for the rich. That's why they treat Sanders as they do.

But why would they create Trump?

He would not be an orderly, obedient, predictable servant to other rich people, like Hillary has promised to be. They've paid Hillary well to fill that role. But Trump? He could really fuck things up. He could crash the Stock Market by some dumb thing that he said. He might even investigate them if they annoy him. He might stumble over the "red button" as he falls into bed, drunk from an orgy in the Lincoln Bedroom. It's no end of funny, what he might do. But is that who they really want in charge of their investments?

So, why Trump?

Oh, yeah, he's starting to smell power now and he likes it. But I don't think he took it seriously at first. Now he does, or partly does. They've created a monster.

Why?

Well, if they really want Clinton as prez, to keep their billions out of the hands of the IRS, and other services (all under a "liberal" facade), they can't just declare her president. She has to run against somebody. What better foil, to make her look all "liberal" than a big baffoon who derides women and minorities and wants to build a wall around the country. That wall is a good spoof issue. Hillary can then defend "free trade for the rich." No wall.

I read somewhere that Bill encouraged Trump to run. (Was it Trump who said it? Har.) If so, this could be why. Hillary needed a foil. Someone not interested in the presidency, someone totally non-serious about public policy. Someone who would shoot his mouth off. Someone who is even more despised and distrusted than she is by the American people.

Writing this comment has got me giggling. It's so funny it may be true. They manufactured Trump to run against Hillary and lose!

But now he wants to win. Maybe. Does this partyman really want the responsibility of being president? What does the Pentagon think of this prospect? The CIA? The FBI? The NSA? Bank of America? Canada? The Saudis? Israel? Putin? (Oh, Putin might recognize a kindred spirit--they could have snarling matches.) But, really, the serious war profiteers, et al, don't want a farce, do they? They don't want to look like idiots when they bomb and invade and do their thing. They don't want the world laughing at them! Do they?

So, the Oligarchs were not serious. Trump was just a stepping stone for Queen Hillary.

Then came Bernie Sanders.

[jillan]

11. They've tried everything to push Bernie away, haven't they. And they only thing they have done

is brought Bernie supporters closer together. We are united in our support.

And the crap they pulled over the last couple of days has hurt the msm and Hillary more than they can imagine.

They shoved Hillary and Trump down our throats since the beginning.
We're still standing. And getting noticed from people like my friend.

[LiberalElite]

15. Reminiscent of the plot of The Producers-

Who could like Springtime for Hitler?

[larkrake]

31. clever theory and not impossible

Trump is as uncontrollable as Bernie- the only thing they have in common

I can relate, no one tells me I cant do something to better my life. I refuse the barbed wire fence Party affiliation creates

[questionseverything]

32. the only thing i think you have missed is, trump wasn't suppose to win

he was supposed to get mad at the repubs and run 3rd party splitting that vote because they knew hc could not win head to head

that is my take anyway

watching trump lately i have wondered if he has forgotten his place in the plan and might actually want to win

bernie and WE THE PEOPLE keep getting in the way

[libdem4life]

35. Going to bet that the Republicans take up the idea of Super Delegates.

I mean, this was the eventuality that the people would declare their own nominee. Can't have the Peasants calling the shots..not even a majority.

Only in the case of the Democrats this time, it's keeping out the candidate who actually can win in the GE. So it may backfire at some point in time. That's really what the Super Delegates are...the safety net for the Oligarchy.

[dae]

10. The Liberty University speech is what sold me on Bernie.

He went into the lion's den without any fear and did not change his message one whit.
The man is impervious to corruption, greed, filth, etc.

[jillan]

12. That was really impressive.

[Depaysement]

14. +1

It's true because that message resonates with the 99%.

[libdem4life]

36. I remember the letter that a minister who was from Liberty University

wrote after Bernie's speech. It was of high praise...literally...for both coming there, and for sharing his values. He indicated that of course they didn't share all values, but his respect and appreciation was clear.

[Depaysement]

13. "They try to paint Bernie as some kind of monster"

Exactly.

It's like he is the same as Trump.

That's the strategy. I'm reasonable Hillary and these two and their supporters are "crazy, awful." With Trump, much of it is true. With Bernie, it's all false.

[Bernin4U]

26. Funny that it took Trump to say "Crazy Bernie"

...when it's basically what we've been hearing from "our" side the whole time.

[Jennylynn]

16. Ignoromous here

Why was the liberty u. speech, going into the lions den?

[roody]

17. Right wing wacko land

[Jennylynn]

18. Ah

TY

[Jennylynn]

21. Oh no shit?

Wow. Go Bernie! Brave dude.

[Jennylynn]

24. Oh. My. God.

This brought tears to my eyes: So here’s the interesting thing. When I was watching Bernie Sanders talk at Liberty University, I was just really shocked, and something kind of magical happened for me, because as I watched that guy stand up on that stage, here’s what I saw. I saw a wild-haired Jew crying out in a hoarse voice, in a very forceful and forth-speaking way, he was convicting the Christian leaders and religious leaders in that University and calling us out for being complicit in the abandonment of those who suffer: “The least of these.” And siding with the powerful and the rich and the masters of this world. And he was convicting us, and calling us out. And we scorned him, and we stared him down, and with sour faces we thought, “Who is this whacko? And why do all these people seem to follow him, seem to like him? This wild-haired Jew, crying out from the wilderness of the political Left, in his hoarse voice?”


Finally! An Evangelical Conservative who gets it/him!

Thank you so much for forwarding this to me Autumn.

[libdem4life]

37. Thanks for the link...I referred to it upthread and hadn't gotten here yet.

Nor did I realize it was from Reddit.

[stillwaiting]

19. The MSM and the Brocklodytes get it. That is why they do what they do.

They are forcefully and purposefully trying to manufacture consent in their viewers to get THEM to not get it. To get them to see a portrait of Bernie and his supporters that will make it much less likely for the Bernie movement to gain further traction.

They are quite simply demonizing Bernie and his supporters BECAUSE they get it.

[Equinox Moon]

22. Its his honesty and long term standing on issues

He is the real deal. What a rare thing this is, which is so tragic. Tragic that an honest, genuine politician believes in service to the people, for the people - is a rarity.

Let's get Bernie nominated! This might be a beautiful upset at the convention with a Bernie nomination.

[TexasBushwhacker]

27. I have a Republican friend

He is an evangelical Christian and was supporting Ted Cruz. He HATES Trump. He said he is totally comfortable voting for Bernie, but if the choice is Trump or Clinton he will stay home. I think there are a lot of people like him.

[pmorlan1]

28. Reaching Across Party Lines Wins National Elections

Yes it does and I've had a similar experience with a conservative at my workplace. As the primary season went on he talked more about how unfair the media was to Bernie. He was right.

Our party used to recognize this before triangulation took over. We gave up being honest and persuading people to vote Democrat because of our IDEAS and our HONEST concern for the working people of this country. Instead we tried to trick them into voting for us and it lead to us moving further and further to the right and farther from what made us popular in the first place.

Hillary doesn't have a chance to get a majority of voters to trust her again in time for the GE. She may get their vote but only because it's an anti-Trump vote. The Democratic Party, however, has a chance to redeem themselves but they better hurry up before they too are no longer trusted by a majority of the voters. Because once that happens it's hard to come back from it.

[Bernin4U]

29. Amazing? Should be a no-brainer.

Ok, maybe that's wrong, as the point is that it takes 30 sec of actual thinking for oneself to get the clue

I've got plenty of very intelligent and successful friend whove never voted Dem. I don't bother trying to discuss anything politics with them anymore, but it might be curious to know their viewpoints at this moment.

Of course the clusterf*k of candidates their side has produced for the last 2 decades should be an absolute embarrassment, but they're probably too proud (and/or brainwashed) to admit it.

My guess would be that they're very anti-Hillary, and Bernie probably isn't even on their radar (ie, he might as well be Jill Stein). So, while not thrilled about him, they'll see Trump as the lesser of two evils.

[stage left]

30. K&R

Your guy sounds like my neighbor across the street, though my neighbor came over from the dark side some time ago. (I have no illusions that he won't go back to the dark side if Bernie is not the nominee.)He, too, was a Trump supporter who had begun listening to some of Bernie's speeches and said "Hey this guy's got something. He makes sense."

I think a lot of us have been looking for a leader like Bernie Sanders for a long, long time, someone who is honestly in this to make things better for the American people. Someone who will fight for us, and inspire us to fight for ourselves. Someone who acknowledges the problems others don't believe exist or the problems they believe unimportant.

The naysayers have been skywriting "Surrender Bernie" since the very beginning like vociferous Wicked Witches of the West. And the more they call for surrender, the more determined I become to stand with Bernie and fight to the end.

[KPN]

33. Thanks for that post! Great story and great post.

The media and machine are non-stop demonizing Bernie and us, his supporters, right now, so it's uplifting to see that believers are still here working hard and singing his praises.