It's getting deep in GD:P now.

[ebayfool]

Defending fracking. Did DU and the party leave me behind and I'm just now noticing it? Or was it always thus, and I had on rose colored glasses? Fucking fracking.

This campaign season has, at the least!, been most illuminating. And it ain't pretty, what I'm finally seeing.

You've heard the phrase "Man Without a Country"? Well, you're about to see 'An Old Woman Without a Party'.

[Matt_in_STL]

1. Did you get the "It's better than coal" argument they have been pushing?

[ebayfool]

6. Yup. And it's ok if a Dem does it for 'practical' reasons. n/t

[demwing]

26. Poisoned Water is just pragmatic

think of the profits jobs we'll lose

[hopemountain]

31. and how about the "it's better than the oil from saudi arabia and

middle eastern countries" because it will be better regulated...

f*** fracking. it is not good for any one or any thing except the corporations to stupid to realize their money won't mean shit when their families are riddled with cancer.

[djean111]

2. My position exactly.

'An Old Woman Without a Party'

I never thought I would see the day that I would be expected to support a candidate who is for war and fracking and the TPP and the Third Way and lies and cluster bombs. To name a few things. If that is the standard-bearer for the Democratic Party - then, I cannot be a Democrat. Simple as that.

[thereismore]

7. That's a good summary. Still lots to add. nt

[Downwinder]

3. I'm too close to Oklahoma to support fracking.

Wouldn't take much for my walls to come down.

[ebayfool]

10. I hear you. I'm in Kern County. 95% of Ca fracking is here and it's earthquake central.

Been through many quakes, and I don't like seeing it posited as an issue to be triaged to death. Our water sucks. Our air sucks. There is no good reason to see Democrats treat it as an academic issue. It affects real damned lives in real damned ways.

[Downwinder]

13. I'm in an 1880's commercial building that was not built for quakes.

I've been through a few elsewhere and I know this place would come down.

[demwing]

27. Are the Dry Meadow Creek Pot Holes still flowing?

that was our family camping destination each year in the 60s and 70s - the water there was pure and beautiful. I cry for the state of our Party.

[ebayfool]

30. Dunno how much the drought might have hurt it. The Kern River has been low, low, low for a good ...

while. This season's rainfall has helped, but the snow pack that feeds it is still below par. I know people that live along the river that get all their water from it and they have been worried sick.

We are supposed to be rationing, but the oil companies can guzzle galore. The County Supervisors have been making noise about restricting people along the river to cut use, but still push for the CALM museum to build a theme park attachment on the river right across from some of those homes. That would do some major damage to the area and take water needed elsewhere for better uses. Gondola rides, for pete's sake!

Seems the only people that are supposed to be conserving are the general population. Not so much big bidness or oil companies. Though they did limit and/or close the area's water spray parks. Wealthier areas can afford to put in recycling systems to keep theirs open. But it gets 110+ here in the summer, and if there is no place to cool down people are more apt to turn to a water hose and sprinkler to cool down the kids.

A theme park along the river v spray parks v 100's of thousands of water for fracking. Look where the water saving is focused.

[Hiraeth]

37. The wars we fight now with our sophisticated weapons over oil but, our future wars will be back

Last edited Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:43 PM - Edit history (1)

to sticks and stones and fought over water.

[demwing]

38. Recalls the Einstein quote

[Hiraeth]

39. yes.

[Lordquinton]

33. I've actually heard someone say that fracking hasn't increased earthquakes in California

because we have regulations or something about it. They were being serious too...

[lmbradford]

15. No kidding

Im IN Oklahoma.

Fracking is beyond ridiculous.

[corkhead]

4. I usually do an ignore pardon and release once the primaries are over but I may not do it this time.

There are people on that list I have no interest in hearing from again.

[Matt_in_STL]

9. I actually thought about that the other day

If I even stick around here, I will not clear my ignore list because the people there earned their way there. I don't ignore anyone for a one or two post garbage delivery. But if you are consistent, to ignore you go and now will stay permanently.

[Duppers]

36. Mine is not being cleared.

Forever.

As Ron White said, "you can't fixed stupid."

[HooptieWagon]

5. It's not about issues.

It's about the D or R after the name. If it was about the issues then no one could tell the difference between Clinton and Bush.

[Arazi]

8. Fracking, DWS, more mideast war, abortion "compromises", open to raising the SS age

Just because she has a D behind her name, we're supposed to be ok with that

[Triana]

11. Felt that way here for months. n/t

[ebayfool]

12. Donkees has the goods when it comes to Sander's links, TY Donkees!

Bernie Sanders Holds Press Conference on Fracking in Spreckels, California (6-1-16)

[BillZBubb]

14. The Third Way has turned the Democratic Party into the moderate republican party.

If I wanted to be a republican, I'd already be one. I can't support any party that favors corporatism over people, war over peace, and accepts its leaders making millions of dollars talking to big money interests. Yet here we are in DU awash with support for that.

[lmbradford]

17. K & R

[Doctor_J]

18. There is nothing moderate about them

They are far to the right of most Americans

[Doctor_J]

16. Most are actually far right republicans. They are drooling thinking about Clinton and Ryan

completely wiping out the legacy of the great democratic presidents of the 20th century.

[MadDAsHell]

19. The Admins need to get rid of "for politically liberal people" in the TOS.

Current wording:

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office.


Suggested wording

Democratic Underground is an online community for people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect and permanently seat for life more middle-of-the-road, safe, and pliable Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office.

[cui bono]

21. I would change Democrats to Dinos too.

[MadDAsHell]

24. Yep. I know they love to advertise it as "the most active liberal discussion board on the internet"

...but at this point is that anything besides just a marketing ploy to get clicks/increase advertising dollars?

[cui bono]

20. They defended the TPP because Obama.

They do not care in the least about policy. It's all idol worship. If it's not that then they are operatives here to push Third Way Crony Capitalism.

.

[cui bono]

22. Just saw an OP in which they are seriously discussing whether a shooting at UCLA should be used

against Bernie. That's where their minds go.



.

[ebayfool]

23. OMG, Really? Every time you think you've seen it all ... n/t

[felix_numinous]

25. You're definitely not alone

the brocolites want us to think we are the fringe with extreme views, and deny our numbers. It is a psychological struggle happening along with every other level.

[Maedhros]

28. Democrats used to be timid allies that liberals had to work with to get things done.

Now, they are opponents that liberals have to work against to get things done.

[pokerfan]

29. So willing to compromise with Republicans

while they tell progressives to either get on board or take a hike.

[jillan]

32. It has been an eye opening year, hasn't it? Dems wanting to destroy our planet, lobbyists are okay,

Wall Street is fine.

This is not the Democratic Party I grew up with.

[AmBlue]

34. They certainly aren't doing the DNC any favors...

Are they?

[HereSince1628]

35. People wonder how it is that major US parties have pivoted around each other on issues

-THIS- (!) is how that happens.

In the campaign contests supporters are conditioned to accept and defend where their candidate of choice sits on issues. With HRC sitting out on neoliberal turf, her supporters willingly begin to defend all that is neoliberal.

The problem isn't that people shift to defend their candidate. The problem is that once people work themselves through these wormholes into the politics of the other side, many don't go back. People who have done work tend to sit back and rest on what they've done, believing it was good and for the best.

That game tends to involve the parties sparring around each other in a circle. What they are sparring over is what changes. That they are ever sparring remains constant.