Well Bernie has ruined my life

[OctOct1]

I can't watch any political shows.
Many I use to enjoy. (Racheal)
ANd now I can not even watch Bill Maher with out my stomach turning.
He did a stupid skit on how kids just want free stuff.
WTF. I felt like I was listening to a republican
I need to get away from politics

[elleng]

1. Happening to many of us.

Haven't watched msnbc in months. (Never watched maher.)

[roody]

2. You'll find many better things to do.

Bernie exposed the bs.

[840high]

3. Go outside for a bit - the

sky is spectacular.

[Jackilope]

4. Mahar tonight was really a disappointment.

I couldn't believe that bit. Horrific

[appalachiablue]

8. Same here. It was quite strange after his terrific rant

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on the dangers of unregulated capitalism and the need for some socialism 'lap band' last week. And the week before Maher had a such great talk with Michael Moore about his new movie, 'Where to Invade Next' on the superior systems in Europe and other countries.

Tonight on the election and the weak rift on free college and healthcare received by the millennials who live with their parents gaining free cell phone service, insurance and internet music. Maher did give strong compliments to Bernie for his outstanding efforts early on and later in the show. For example, how hard Bernie worked, he's the future, millennials aren't threatened by socialism, and more. Watched again and it was better than I recalled at first.

[Plucketeer]

23. When Bill told Bernie folks

they had to get over it because Hillary had won "fair and square".......

[appalachiablue]

31. Yeah that was effed up, and the look on his face was awkward when he said it too.

So bizarre..

[floppyboo]

37. I seem to remember that "New Rules' is written by a team

Maybe it was meant to be delivered sarcastically and he didn't get the memo. Would explain his facial expression.

[glowing]

5. It may have been the way some people were feeling

back in the 90's when Democrats adopted the whole Cadillac welfare Queens and dismantled a safety net that helped children and women, or their stance on crime being "tougher" and putting pot smoker's in jail to ruin their lives or watching Unions getting busted and jobs leaving the country with all the free trade BS. Or deregulating the banks, getting rid of Glass/ Stengel and refusing to regulate the new and cool "derivative market".

Now, there are a whole new slew of talking points that make it sound like Dems are Republicans. It's amazing watching people twist themselves into pretzels to be "With Her", instead of insisting on the politicians catch up with the people's demands rather than their corporate sponsors... You seriously are telling me there is no reason for her to examine what excited people about Bernie's ideas, and not adopt a couple of them? She can't learn or adapt to new positions when the political landscape changes?

Honestly, the theme, "Not Trump" isn't a reason for voting her.. It's "that guys so much worse". It's been an insane election cycle for sure!

[Cassiopeia]

19. Those positions don't bring the Benjamin's.

The Clinton's have one true position, personal wealth. Anything that increases that is a position they will take.

[malletgirl02]

29. They are indeed "Republican lite".

When Bernie Sanders supporters and other progressives called the third way Democrats Republican lite there were howls of indignation from the Clinton supporters. The thing is with their contempt for the poor, supporting the Republican part policies as you describe above, and that using the "free stuff". Republican talking point, the third way Democrats are indeed showing themselves as "Republican lite"

[retrowire]

6. I keep saying to my wife

"This was a hell of a time to start getting into politics!"

[RazBerryBeret]

35. I've said the same thing to my son...

he is 19, first time voter. He is SO engaged, he's researched and is more knowledgeable about some issues than I am. it's crazy, but I so love having political conversations with him. He and most of his friends were all in for Bernie. it's been a tough lesson. Hopefully we'll get thru it ok; his friends who weren't supporting Bernie are supporting Trump.... ugh.

[BobSmith4152]

7. For me it was Barack Obama

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027836539

I consider myself a loyal Democratic footsoldier. I'll be out for some Democratic candidate to replace a Republican in the House or maybe Bob will try for mayor again. But I'm not driving to Nevada, presidential election year or not. After Saturday's Nevada "Democratic" Party convention I can't kid myself anymore. Hillary's going to be the nominee by hook or by crook and that's not just a cliche. And I just can't.

Working for Barack Obama meant to me working for not the best we could get this year but the best period. And I can't knock on some of the same doors in Nevada and say "Yeah I was Hoping for more Change too yeah that Political Revolution thing sounded pretty good, but HEY LOOK OVER THERE IT'S DONALD TRUMP! EEEK!"

Hope and change won last time for a reason. And I can't settle for second best this time.

[hollysmom]

9. I know that feeling

I used to watch MSNBC in the day time, now I listen to the radio. The final straw for me was MTP which came on when i was out of the room. when I came back in, ass face and his cronies were sitting around laughing because they decided that Sanders had the worst day because they were not going to cover him that day. This was before the primaries ended, before I voted. And they were patting each other on the back for being assholes.
But I also refuse to talk to my sister because she posted that stupid Friedman NYT article that basically said Hillary fibs but sanders a lies like Trump. It was such a stupid article and she was praising it for it's intelligence. I just can't talk topher right now.

[ALittleBirdie]

10. Indeed!

Can't listen to Thom Hartmann anymore, Big Ed is pivoting, TYT are struggling as to what to say. Ring of Fire even admitted that there's nothing to say at this point.

Okay, let's talk about kittens.

Or puppies.

Or cookies.

Or something...

[appalachiablue]

15. Lee Camp of 'Redacted Tonight' on RT is still loyal, posting terrific shows

on the emails and election fraud recently. He hasn't changed, thank heaven. Hartmann I couldn't keep up with for a while it was so uneven but with more recent talk of Bernie having some influence at the convention it's improved.

[Plucketeer]

39. Of those vying for Stewarts audience

Lee Camp's got my vote. John Oliver's schitk can only go so far. Some valium might help him.

BTW, does anyone know what DirecTV channel RT America (or USA) is? I can't get a straight answer outta DTV OR RT! Nobody seems to know!

[appalachiablue]

58. Love Lee Camp, followed him for a few years. Brit JONATHAN PIE does wildly

funny video skits that are on YouTube and posted here. John Oliver's good on issues but he doesn't quite have the humor snap and edge of some others.

[appalachiablue]

61. We watch RT online or on Dish whose Customer Service is pretty good esp.

in these times. Unreal that Direct TV won't tell you about the RT Channel!?

[OctOct1]

56. Just watched Redacted Tonight

Why did I not know about him?
Really GREAT show.

[appalachiablue]

57. Lee rocks, followed him for several years.

[appalachiablue]

59. Brit Jonathan Pie's comedy skits are wild! On YouTube and posted here at DU.

[Nictuku]

33. Randi Rhodes will be back on air Update: Looking like First week in July

Randi Rhodes will be back (on air? Actually it is a podcast/internet stream)

I thought it was set to begin on Monday, but I didn't see the countdown clock on her website just now, so I wonder if they had to push it back. https://randirhodes.com/ Update: First week in July

I've really missed her presence since she has been off the air. She is a huge Bernie supporter, and I fully expect for her to discuss election fraud and irregularities more than we have (not) heard on the MSM.

Randi is a Democrat, and I also expect her to support the Democratic platform. But I know that she is not a big Hillary fan, so it should be interesting to hear what position she will take.

There are so many issues that she brought up in the past where she turned out to be absolutely correct.

Randi was onto Denny Hastert's shenanigans back as far as 2006.

She has talked about the evils of prisons for profit for years.

She has exposed the illegitimate/non-existant voter fraud issue raised by the republicans and shined the light on the actual election fraud that is taking place.

She educated me on the problems with the TPP long before I heard it on the MSM

Her voice was one of the first to interview Greg Palast on election fraud issues, way back in Air America days.

She has spoken out about the militarism in our police force.

I think she may have a difficult time being supportive of Hillary Clinton, but I don't know what stance she will actually be taking.

Her new program will not be funded by MSM or their sponsors (military industrial complex, big pharma, etc), so I don't necessarily think she will be actively supporting Hillary, but at the same time, she is as fearful as the rest of us when it comes to considering 'President Trump'. So it should be interesting, whatever position she will be taking.

I can't wait to hear her voice again!

[Plucketeer]

40. Listerning to Radioornot.com

the other day, Nicole Sandler said the setback on Randi's show was due to some bad technical work. Something they'd had done turned out to be ALL wrong and was having to be completely re-done. I'm looking forward to hearing Randi once she's back on the air!

[Duppers]

42. +100

[Pharaoh]

11. Try the Young Turks

It's a sanctuary!

[Plucketeer]

41. They're a breath of fresh air

And I'm proud to say I'm a contributing member. In fact, while we've supported NPR for several years now, we're going to re-route those few bucks to up our support for TYT.

[Pharaoh]

45. me too

Just became a member this week

[OctOct1]

51. Thanks

Just became a member too

[snot]

12. I know what you mean.

I used to enjoy Trevor Noah on the Daily Show and Samantha Bee's new show; but neither they nor the rest of the media seem to have any meaningful grasp of economic issues, and they have absolutely no idea what Bernie's actually about; and rather than exploring those things seriously, they make stupid, insulting jokes about him. I've actually been rather shocked at some of what I've seen.

[Duppers]

43. They lost my viewership.

Uninformed snark just doesn't do it for me.

[Scootaloo]

13. Maher's always been a fucking assweasel.

He's several flavors of bigot, wrapped up in a light wrapping of woo, all inside a fibrous husk of "I'm a smug faux-liberal version of Sean Hannity."

[Iwillnevergiveup]

14. I've totally switched to

www.seculartalk.com

and H. A. Goodman, the Humanist Report, and Jimmy Dore.

[ALittleBirdie]

49. You are right, also

Sane Progressive on youtube totally gets it!

[OctOct1]

54. I found her about a week ago

She is very good. I already subscribed to her channel

[zorgin]

16. could not agree more

Lee Camp is a good replacement for Jon Stewart
John Oliver went the Hillary road, probably cuz he just started his career and doesn't wanna fuck up

[appalachiablue]

60. Never thought of it but wonder if Lee Camp was considered to replace Stewart.

Definitely has the smarts and talents but his politics might not have worked..

[Silver_Witch]

17. When did Democrats become Asshats?

I didn't get the memo I guess. Well resigning my membership and moving to a new home soon. I am shocked and appalled by the right turn my Party has taken.

[NJCher]

20. yep, me too

I'll be changing to Independent.


Cher

[SmittynMo]

18. Money, corruption, desception, and filthy politics

won this primary. Yes, I'm pretty sure it's called an oligarchy. And it's spread across the media too.

The weird part is, I expected so much more for this country this time around. And we fell quite short of the goal. It was a big disappointment. So we have another 4 years of bullshit ahead of us. Gee, I just can't wait.

Meanwhile, the country continues corrupt trade deals, no universal healthcare, no tuition free college, and kissing Wall Street's ass. I'm guessing nobody gives a shit about our grandchildren and children's future, and the fact that most middle class people cannot afford college. Nobody understands it starts with the education. Do we want a country full of uneducated idiots?

I just do not get it. And NEVER will. We had our once in a lifetime chance to change it. People ignored it like the plague. The dumbing of America has begun, and it appears, we as a country, do not want a better life for everyone. I am still dumbfounded over what I have witnessed over the past year.

God help us all, because we are going to need all the help we can get.

[NJCher]

21. I'm gonna' break up this glum pity party

SmittynMo says: People ignored it like the plague.

This is a major movement and you guys are just having in a snit 'cuz you didn't get all you wanted. I was excited this morning when I saw that Cornel West and Trumka have already thrown out TPP on the platform discussion table. That is major!! (there's a thread on it here)

I am not assuming a Clinton win, either. A lot can happen in the next few months. If she does, however, the Repubs and Dems are facing third parties. I just heard this morning on the radio about a new strategy to deprive Trump of the nomination. The host came right out and said that it sounded like just another way to keep voters from getting what they wanted.

I predict that if Bernie does not win the presidency, he will play a major role in the Senate or he will form a third party and really be in their faces. Whatever happens, he is going to be highly visible and that is going to go on for quite some time.

As far as the OP goes, I am in total sympathy. TV is easy, and now I can no longer watch Rachel or any of those other shows, and I have total disgust for Hollywood, not that I didn't already have that before, but now ech.

In regard to media, I've set up computers in my kitchen, bedroom, and office. I just watch youtube. You pretty much get the "best of" there, so there's a lot less to filter.

As far as the future goes, this is the way people are going to be watching, particularly the younger generation. For now, yes, TV rules, but there are more and more younger political commentators starting their own channels, and it's quite exciting to watch them. This is one of the things I do for a living--teach them English and communication, including production--so it is quite gratifying for me to see them taking off, especially when their political opinions concur with mine!!


Cher

[SmittynMo]

24. Thank you so much

You actually picked me up today. I was feeling quite glum. It's just so damn sad what is going on around us, and now people are going around like it's all cool. NO, it's not cool at all. Her unfavorability rating is almost 60%, and yet she's the presumptive? How can that possibly be? And yet again, it's all cool. WOW.

[Donkees]

22. I've never had cable, rarely watch political shows, and I'm grateful for everything Bernie has done

[SmittynMo]

25. Oh, I'm extremely grateful too.

Just a little pissed that we as a country have to pick oligarchy over democracy. I'll NEVER understand that.

[Plucketeer]

26. Bernie is as close

to a saint as our political system will EVER experience.

[RKP5637]

28. I fear it's all coming to a close. American voters just love to vote against their

best interests. Give it a few more years and what's left of the old democratic party will be completely gone. And sadly none will be the wiser as new generations come along, absorbed into the new democratic party. The new democratic party left me, so I turned out the lights and went Unaffiliated/Independent.

[RKP5637]

27. As the democratic party continues to move new republican. n/t

[Trajan]

30. In the end, even these popular media figures beloved by Liberals ...

Are multimillionaires ....

They work for oligarchs who control their purse strings ....

Rachel, whom I never watched (I ditched cable news during the lying-cheating coverage during the run-up to the Bush-Gore electIon) suddenly turned about 3 months ago ... It was a huge smack in the face for most fans ... Blatant cronyism at it's its worst ...

The coordination between the super rich media oligarchs and the Third Way Semi-republican leadership of the Democratic Party allows them to control the flow of 'news' ...

It was so blatant ... So boldly in your face ... The corruption has been breathtaking ...

Rachel Maddow is a multimillionaire who cares more for her wealth than what might be best for the hundreds of millions of UNwealthy citizens who need policies that elevate their families ... Not a continuation of the right wing policies that have devastated the middle class ever since Reagan (including Clinton) ....

Obama and Hillary's support of TPP says it all ... FUCK the middle class, and grab everything you can before they figure out how to dislodge us from power ...

[Worldly Traveler]

32. Welcome

Just so you know, the air is clear over here https://www.reddit.com/r/Kossacks_for_Sanders

[OctOct1]

34. What a great place!! THanks

[djean111]

36. Thanks for that link - as someone there said, b4p seems infested with "Bernie buts" right now.

Not just us.

[Duppers]

38. Glad you posted. My exact sentiment about Bill Maher.

Just posted here before seeing this thread...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=384401

I was sooo pissed.

[OctOct1]

44. Yep, The sharp right turn Bill Maher took makes me want to get out my tin foil hat

FOr someone who seemed to like Bernie and seemed to like Micheal Moores movie, Then....
Super sharp turn to the right and throw the entire movement under the bus and say we just want free stuff. ... It makes no (good) sense

[newfie11]

46. You've wised up and your eyes are open to what's happening

Sad, irritating, aggravating, and I don't see an end in sight!
Time for me to get out of this country!

[Stevepol]

47. It's catching!

[erlewyne]

48. Truer words were never spoken.

You just hit the nail.

Bernie, has made my life better. From here every after
I am not a democrat. I am not a republican. I am Bernie.

[GoldenThunder]

50. A quote from Adyashanti.

“Enlightenment is a destructive process. It
has nothing to do with becoming better or being happier. Enlightenment is the
crumbling away of untruth. It's seeing
through the facade of pretence. It's the
complete eradication of everything we
imagined to be true.”



Enlightenment is a most destructive process, indeed.

[TSIAS]

52. I removed Maddow and Sam Bee from my DVR

Chris Matthews was already long gone. I still will watch Chris Hayes regularly.

I had to fast forward through Barbara Boxer, but did Maher ask her if she truly felt threatened in Nevada, or was it just a way to slime Sanders?

[OctOct1]

53. Nope, He never mentioned Nevada. I was waiting for it

I really can't remember what they talked about. She is retiring. When did things get so divided? Tip Oneill was good. Long time serving...
waiting....waiting.... any Nevada??? Nope. Nothing worth remembering

[roody]

62. Oh no! Sam Bee, I love her.

Never watch because I don't have tv or much data.

[Karma13612]

55. Please know that you are not alone OctOct1.

Thank you for posting your thoughts since others will no doubt try to bolster your spirit.

Each word of encouragement for you is helping others as well.

I am sickened by the whole thing. The election fraud, the atrocious MSM propaganda, the dirty tricks from even the DNC.

And we knew it was happening while it was happening, but could only do so much.

At some point, we will dust ourselves off and begin again.

But, we aren't going to start from scratch. We will just need to re engage with the revolution. Join again with the souls who did not give up, even when it was darkest. They will not judge us, and we must be grateful that they kept going while we take a step back and consider what we lost, and what we stand to gain if we push beyond our current mental walls of hopelessness.

WE can do this. Just think how Bernie is feeling right now.

He would want us to stand strong.

Take a moment, but come back again, the movement needs you.

It needs all of us.