Bernie Sanders
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TDale313
(7,820 posts)Donkees
(31,367 posts)JudyM
(29,225 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)baran
(92 posts)Probably about Orlando.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)(on MSNBC 5:30 pm)
jillan
(39,451 posts)Donkees
(31,367 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Man, is it big......
jillan
(39,451 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)JudyM
(29,225 posts)JudyM
(29,225 posts)I will do everything I can (to defeat Trump).
Political revolution does not depend on election...
We need to revitalize democracy by running for school board, city council, state legislature... Demand that govt starts listening to the needs of ordinary people. etc...
We need to act boldly to combat grim reality of climate change. Courage to stand up to fossil fuel industry, etc.
Enormously proud of receiving over 10 million votes. Overwhelming support of young people tells me our vision is the vision of the US.
Looking forward to hearing what Clinton has to say on some of the most important issues (to our campaign's supporters)... (When he meets with her Tuesday night).
We are taking this campaign and our ideas... for a strong platform to transform the Democratic Party (to represents the grass roots) to the convention.
Asked if he's taking his campaign for the prudence to the convention, he said "We know who has received the most votes up to now"
senz
(11,945 posts)The math says, obviously, that Hill has not won the nomination.
So Bernie is still in the running.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)Don't you think he could've meant "we know we don't have the votes but we still intend to exert our fullest possible influence."... Not sure, myself.. Seemed enigmatic. I hope you're right, though!
senz
(11,945 posts)In the 2016 Democratic primary, a candidate needs 2383 votes to win the nomination. This can be done through pledged votes alone (if one candidate does very well in the primaries) or a combination of pledged and superdelegates. The superdelegates don't vote until the convention.
Bernie and Hillary's pledged delegate counts were too close for either to reach the 2383 number. Prior to the six primaries last Tuesday, Hill was 286 delegates ahead of Bernie and it looked like with a strong showing on Tuesday, especially in California, Bernie might pull even. He was expected to do very, very well. Then the AP abruptly called the election for Hillary Monday night, before the primaries -- deliberately sabotaging Bernie's chances, which some analysts think was motivated by panic in the Hillary campaign.
As of now (and the California votes aren't all counted yet) Hill has a greater lead than she did before the AP sabotage, but she has not reached 2383 delegates -- so she is not the nominee. She cannot be the nominee until enough superdelegates vote on July 25 to put her there. Neither one has the votes. She has not won. Bernie has not lost. Hill people will say she's won, but they've been saying that for months -- it's part of their gaslighting technique. She has not won. It is not over.
Bernie said not too long ago that he thought he could convince the SDs to vote for him based on several factors, the main ones being his consistently polling better than Hillary against Trump, his far higher favorability numbers, especially with independents and Republicans, and the fact that Hillary may be indicted. For SDs who care about the outcome of the GE, these are good reasons.
The Hill camp knows this and it is why their media and online surrogates are still bashing Bernie. They wouldn't be bashing him if they thought he'd lost. They're bashing him to make sure he doesn't win.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)your argument as indicating he is going to fight for the SD votes as opposed to meaning he is just going to look to exert influence?
senz
(11,945 posts)As of now, without California fully counted, and with all the strange "irregularities" that favored her, she is ahead by 368 delegates.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/
We know some of the SDs are corporate lobbyists, some even have connections to the Clinton Foundation, but most are probably sincere Democrats who want to win the GE.
Bernie stands a better chance to win the GE.
- He polls far better against Trump.
- His favorability polling is massively better than Hillary's and he appeals across a broad spectrum of voters, including independents and Republicans, which she does not.
- He does not have an FBI investigation with the possibility of a criminal indictment. We know that, given the corrupt nature of the current power structure, she could beat the charge (if there is one), but it looks very, very bad to the voting public.
So he stands a decent chance of persuading the SDs. Given what is at stake, it is worth a try. And yes, he has indicated as much. This is why the Hill campaign is going into overdrive.
His courage in doing this is breathtaking, imho.
Can they pull something behind the scenes to force him to stop? Sure they can, so we'll see.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)and hate that you have to keep writing all this, because I'm completely up to speed on the details. It's just why does he mean this instead of that, is what I'm questioning. I would like to agree with your conclusion, I just think it's ambiguous.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)the strength of the campaign and the people who support him to influence the party platform.
however, the current msm meme that he is "influencing the platform or clinton's policies" and only that - is pure clinton / ap meme / strategy.
why do you think the dnc are giving the 5 sanders platform committee members so much flak during the meetings? bernie knows they are not going to let his campaign exert much "influence". but he is going to try. same with hillary at tuesday's meeting.
and, when they (dnc & hillary) do not, he will have even more to support him when talking to the superdelegates to vote for him because bernie knows, the majority of his millions of supporters will not support hillary - so she will not have the votes to beat trump.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Woot!!!
Donkees
(31,367 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)I'll be proud to be in Philly with him!
Jennylynn
(696 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)He started a bit late, but didn't mind waiting at all. He's taking it to the Convention, and spoke about "changing the Democratic Party".
YES, I'll be glad to help!
senz
(11,945 posts)What can we do to help?
JudyM
(29,225 posts)donating...
I'll bet we can expect an email explaining what more we can do soon!
senz
(11,945 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:31 PM - Edit history (1)
He knows I'm on a monthly donation and said it made him feel guilty. Heh.
I'll be so happy to do what I can between now and July 25th. I would love it, just love it, if the SDs decided in Bernie's favor. There are several good reasons for them to do so.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)Skink
(10,122 posts)She missed the pledged delegate total.