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Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:45 PM

=*=Bernie Sanders LIVE from Burlington, VT - Press Conference @ 5PM=*=

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Reply =*=Bernie Sanders LIVE from Burlington, VT - Press Conference @ 5PM=*= (Original post)
Donkees Jun 2016 OP
TDale313 Jun 2016 #1
Donkees Jun 2016 #2
JudyM Jun 2016 #3
jillan Jun 2016 #4
baran Jun 2016 #6
k8conant Jun 2016 #5
jillan Jun 2016 #8
Donkees Jun 2016 #7
jillan Jun 2016 #9
Segami Jun 2016 #10
jillan Jun 2016 #12
Segami Jun 2016 #16
jillan Jun 2016 #21
JudyM Jun 2016 #11
JudyM Jun 2016 #14
senz Jun 2016 #22
JudyM Jun 2016 #24
senz Jun 2016 #28
JudyM Jun 2016 #30
senz Jun 2016 #31
JudyM Jun 2016 #32
hopemountain Jun 2016 #33
jillan Jun 2016 #15
Donkees Jun 2016 #13
k8conant Jun 2016 #17
Jennylynn Jun 2016 #18
Segami Jun 2016 #19
Duval Jun 2016 #20
senz Jun 2016 #23
JudyM Jun 2016 #25
senz Jun 2016 #27
JudyM Jun 2016 #29
Skink Jun 2016 #26

Response to Donkees (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:47 PM

1. Is he still speaking even with what's happened in Orlando? n/t

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:53 PM

2. The meeting took place at his home this afternoon

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Response to Donkees (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:14 PM

3. Still not playing. :(

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Response to Donkees (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:24 PM

4. It is possible that Bernie may just want to address what happened in Orlando.

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Response to jillan (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:38 PM

6. That's what I was thinking.

 

Probably about Orlando.

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Response to Donkees (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:37 PM

5. Bernie just spoke about Orlando in front of his house

(on MSNBC 5:30 pm)

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Response to k8conant (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:50 PM

8. Is that what this was about? Livestream not working - tech issues

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Response to Donkees (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:49 PM

7. There's a problem with the live stream, a recorded version expected...Bernie is going to convention

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Response to Donkees (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:51 PM

9. I like that BFP microphone. Bernie For President.

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Response to jillan (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:55 PM

10. +10000

 

Man, is it big......


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Response to Segami (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:58 PM

12. I wonder what it really stands for, but then again, I don't care. I like my explanation better.

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Response to jillan (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:11 PM

16. Burlington Free Press

 

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Response to Segami (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:54 PM

21. Oh yeah. That.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:05 PM

14. He's calling for 50 state strategy

I will do everything I can (to defeat Trump).

Political revolution does not depend on election...

We need to revitalize democracy by running for school board, city council, state legislature... Demand that govt starts listening to the needs of ordinary people. etc...

We need to act boldly to combat grim reality of climate change. Courage to stand up to fossil fuel industry, etc.

Enormously proud of receiving over 10 million votes. Overwhelming support of young people tells me our vision is the vision of the US.

Looking forward to hearing what Clinton has to say on some of the most important issues (to our campaign's supporters)... (When he meets with her Tuesday night).

We are taking this campaign and our ideas... for a strong platform to transform the Democratic Party (to represents the grass roots) to the convention.

Asked if he's taking his campaign for the prudence to the convention, he said "We know who has received the most votes up to now"




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Response to JudyM (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:03 PM

22. ... and he added, "We're good at math." Makes all the difference.

 

The math says, obviously, that Hill has not won the nomination.

So Bernie is still in the running.

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Response to senz (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:06 PM

24. I thought that was ambiguous... Listened to it twice and still thought so.

Don't you think he could've meant "we know we don't have the votes but we still intend to exert our fullest possible influence."... Not sure, myself.. Seemed enigmatic. I hope you're right, though!

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Response to JudyM (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:57 PM

28. Okay, here's why --

 

In the 2016 Democratic primary, a candidate needs 2383 votes to win the nomination. This can be done through pledged votes alone (if one candidate does very well in the primaries) or a combination of pledged and superdelegates. The superdelegates don't vote until the convention.

Bernie and Hillary's pledged delegate counts were too close for either to reach the 2383 number. Prior to the six primaries last Tuesday, Hill was 286 delegates ahead of Bernie and it looked like with a strong showing on Tuesday, especially in California, Bernie might pull even. He was expected to do very, very well. Then the AP abruptly called the election for Hillary Monday night, before the primaries -- deliberately sabotaging Bernie's chances, which some analysts think was motivated by panic in the Hillary campaign.

As of now (and the California votes aren't all counted yet) Hill has a greater lead than she did before the AP sabotage, but she has not reached 2383 delegates -- so she is not the nominee. She cannot be the nominee until enough superdelegates vote on July 25 to put her there. Neither one has the votes. She has not won. Bernie has not lost. Hill people will say she's won, but they've been saying that for months -- it's part of their gaslighting technique. She has not won. It is not over.

Bernie said not too long ago that he thought he could convince the SDs to vote for him based on several factors, the main ones being his consistently polling better than Hillary against Trump, his far higher favorability numbers, especially with independents and Republicans, and the fact that Hillary may be indicted. For SDs who care about the outcome of the GE, these are good reasons.

The Hill camp knows this and it is why their media and online surrogates are still bashing Bernie. They wouldn't be bashing him if they thought he'd lost. They're bashing him to make sure he doesn't win.

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Response to senz (Reply #28)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 12:55 PM

30. Ok, agreeing with everything you write, and where does the "good at math" comment fit into

your argument as indicating he is going to fight for the SD votes as opposed to meaning he is just going to look to exert influence?

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Response to JudyM (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:28 PM

31. Quite simply, the math says she doesn't have the delegate count.

 

As of now, without California fully counted, and with all the strange "irregularities" that favored her, she is ahead by 368 delegates.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

We know some of the SDs are corporate lobbyists, some even have connections to the Clinton Foundation, but most are probably sincere Democrats who want to win the GE.

Bernie stands a better chance to win the GE.
  • He polls far better against Trump.

  • His favorability polling is massively better than Hillary's and he appeals across a broad spectrum of voters, including independents and Republicans, which she does not.

  • He does not have an FBI investigation with the possibility of a criminal indictment. We know that, given the corrupt nature of the current power structure, she could beat the charge (if there is one), but it looks very, very bad to the voting public.

So he stands a decent chance of persuading the SDs. Given what is at stake, it is worth a try. And yes, he has indicated as much. This is why the Hill campaign is going into overdrive.

His courage in doing this is breathtaking, imho.

Can they pull something behind the scenes to force him to stop? Sure they can, so we'll see.

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Response to senz (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:39 PM

32. I do understand everything you're a saying, senz, and agree with it. I'm good with the background

and hate that you have to keep writing all this, because I'm completely up to speed on the details. It's just why does he mean this instead of that, is what I'm questioning. I would like to agree with your conclusion, I just think it's ambiguous.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:54 PM

33. it is true he "knows the math" and wants to use

the strength of the campaign and the people who support him to influence the party platform.

however, the current msm meme that he is "influencing the platform or clinton's policies" and only that - is pure clinton / ap meme / strategy.

why do you think the dnc are giving the 5 sanders platform committee members so much flak during the meetings? bernie knows they are not going to let his campaign exert much "influence". but he is going to try. same with hillary at tuesday's meeting.

and, when they (dnc & hillary) do not, he will have even more to support him when talking to the superdelegates to vote for him because bernie knows, the majority of his millions of supporters will not support hillary - so she will not have the votes to beat trump.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:09 PM

15. Thank you!!

Woot!!!

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Response to Donkees (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:03 PM

13. LIVE NOW

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Response to Donkees (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:13 PM

17. He's still in there!

I'll be proud to be in Philly with him!

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Response to Donkees (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:13 PM

18. It ain't over, folks!

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Response to Donkees (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:16 PM

19. On To The Philly Convention.....

 

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Response to Donkees (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:27 PM

20. We watched it live on Burlington Free Press.

 

He started a bit late, but didn't mind waiting at all. He's taking it to the Convention, and spoke about "changing the Democratic Party".
YES, I'll be glad to help!

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Response to Donkees (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:04 PM

23. How can we help make his case to the superdelegates?

 

What can we do to help?

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Response to senz (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:09 PM

25. I'd suggest start by helping him get as large a share of the DC vote as possible. Calling,

donating...

I'll bet we can expect an email explaining what more we can do soon!

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Response to JudyM (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:29 PM

27. A friend of mine cast his vote in CA and promptly sent $500 to Bernie's campaign.

 

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He knows I'm on a monthly donation and said it made him feel guilty. Heh.

I'll be so happy to do what I can between now and July 25th. I would love it, just love it, if the SDs decided in Bernie's favor. There are several good reasons for them to do so.

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Response to senz (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 12:51 PM

29. Ha! I'll bet more than a few people are leaning on him hard right now.

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Response to Donkees (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:26 PM

26. On to one of the birth places of democracy

She missed the pledged delegate total.

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