If I had more guts... I would say:
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Good luck in convincing people to vote for her.
Generally people here would most likely hold their nose and vote for her.
It is those that basically say "She can't win any way", "What's the difference", "She's almost as bad", that her campaign has to worry about.
I will vote for her even if I don't see much of a point. I doubt that she will win. This is especially the case since many in her campaign considered Independents and Sanders supporters to be irrelevant, unneeded, in the way and should just shut up about their concerns.
I have already accepted that Trump would most likely win, and have been trying to console myself with the idea that he would probably be a weak president and would accomplish little.
However, even that is cold comfort since GW Bush, as dumb as he was, was extremely effective in passing legislation. He cheer-leadered his positions and ushered it through the legislative branch, which is something Obama was unable to match or do.
I don't want to really bet against that, even though in some ways, I think the Republicans will work against Trump. So, it is a reasonable guess that he will be impotent, much like how Hillary would probably be impotent as President as well.
Reasons for such would be that:
-She triangulates so much that whatever position she would get, would be even further to the right than what Obama was able to get.
-Republicans would be unwilling to work with her. They hate her as is, in many ways worse than they do Obama.
-They can slam her for so many different so called scandals and investigations that they could reference, real or false, which would stymie any sort of agenda she would actually try to put up. That is not just giving them what they want.
Examples of this would be her emails, her Secretary of State actions, her transcripts, all of those would come along to slam her during a Clinton Presidency. It would be like the 2nd half of Bill Clinton's Presidency with all those investigations that would hide all the really ridiculously bad legislation that passed during that time frame.
This is one of the many reasons I keep saying, she does come up ahead of Trump, but not enough for me to be comfortable with.
Sad as it may be, the devolving of the Republicans and all the stupidity we see nowadays seem to have escalated during Obama's tenure. Instead of improving after Bush, in regards to education, race relations, and civility, matters keep getting worse. I am uncertain what would help ameliorate things.
To me, K-12 needs to be improved more than anything else, and I don't really see Clinton addressing this, even Obama failed in this and it is one of the major issues that I look at. I am extremely upset with the focus on testing, which merely puts the funding towards that Testing Industry creating less flexibility for the teachers and students who should be the primary beneficiaries of education funding.
Couple that with a focus on child care, particularly those that need it most, I can only see that helping.
Unfortunately, neither of the candidates have that in their agenda. Trump does not even really mention it, while Clinton merely makes a vague statement about it, which generally reads like how things are now. That is the same with college education for her, her statements on it sounds exactly like the current system.
It amazes me that during their press releases/speeches, Trump actually talks about the economy, trade and so forth while Clinton merely talked about foreign relations and how bad Trump would be.
I have contended that such is a losing proposition since the economy is far more important. Foreign policy is not the biggest thing in people's mind right now. It isn't enough to say that the opponent is terrible. That though they are, it is not what brings people to the polls.
It is why I maintain that I don't see her winning. What's the point of advocating for her when there is so little to recommend her, and too many things to defend when it comes to her that it is putting out fires almost every single day.
I could not in good conscience tell other people to vote for her or campaign for her when she crossed quite a few lines for me. That is giving her legitimacy that she does not deserve. The fact that I will vote for her in November is about as much as I can commit to, beyond that is her supporter's job.
I do not demand anything, but I can provide one suggestion.
Stop campaigning like a Kardashian. She is running like a glamour campaign, which is indicative in her social media which looks childish.
Her twitter and Facebook is littered by fluff pieces that show people liking her, saying nice stuff about her, and it is all about her, her name and that's really it.
Compare that with Sanders, who would put articles on issues he cares about, items that make people think about matters beyond themselves.
It is the supporter's job to put up fluff pieces and showing how the candidate is liked. The candidate and their campaign's job is to show what is meaningful, how to work on things and improvement.
What a sad state of affairs this is.
(Hey, I made it before the time limit.)
On Edit:
A wise friend of mine has said that her campaign merely shows people what to fight against, but she really isn't giving people anything to fight for.
In social media, she pats herself on the back talking mostly about herself, and it is almost never about the issues. It is just mostly her saying how wonderful she is, which is a degree of self absorption that both her and Trump share. She needs to be better than that, and it is one of the reasons many can't vote for her.
It is quite sad, that much of what she says right now in her speeches, that though it seems to have a point look wrong/incongruous/hypocritical/ironic just because it is coming from her, as she is pretty much vilifying others with words that can apply to her. It would have been funny had it not been so tragic.
So now, I can say they will fight against Trump, but it does not mean supporting her. This could always mean concentrating on the local races, and helping there, which is what I am going to be doing. She runs using her name, and that is not something I can fight for.
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those who are staying, waiting to be purged for discussing the current weather conditions or getting hides for mentioning the time of day might want to look at this from a psychoanalytic perspective.
I totally get the phenom. Been there. It's kinda of like sticking with your abuser, cuz you keep hoping he's going to change but he never does and the abuse just get worse.
When have you had enough abuse? How more of it is required to "get it" that enough is enough that's long past time to just simply walk away?
That's what the party has done to our collective heads. They've got so many brainwashed to think there's no other place to go, we have no one else but their anointed leader. Pick Him/Her or else the bogeyman's gonna come and getcha.
But that's just not true, it's never been true.
We are our own leaders, and it's time we behaved like we are. 
