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It's not Monday yet. (Original Post) LWolf Jun 2016 OP
Excellent analysis; K&R'd & bookmarked. snot Jun 2016 #1
That's what I thought. nt LWolf Jun 2016 #2
:) snot Jun 2016 #4
thank you, very interesting swhisper1 Jun 2016 #3
Her OP was hidden? Autumn Jun 2016 #5
Yes. LWolf Jun 2016 #7
That shows the future here doesn't it? Autumn Jun 2016 #8
If I understand the coming rules... Lars39 Jun 2016 #13
Isn't that special? Contrary1 Jun 2016 #38
Ayup. And alerts won't be in context either. Lars39 Jun 2016 #45
I believe it shows how things will go. Juries will hide anything like that imo Arazi Jun 2016 #18
I also think that part of the plan is to give Bernie supporters Contrary1 Jun 2016 #20
Although I have multiple hides now, I was removed from jury duty before I got the rhett o rick Jun 2016 #32
It sure does, LWolf Jun 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #51
I can't believe it, either. senz Jun 2016 #14
There are a few posters on DU that are not here seeking honest discussions or even rhett o rick Jun 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author senz Jun 2016 #39
I've noticed. senz Jun 2016 #44
Just saw this; would love to see the author's response: snot Jun 2016 #6
That's a hoax. Lynch said no such thing. Jim Lane Jun 2016 #16
re the Loretta Lynch Facebook post NJCher Jun 2016 #17
or, one could read this: niyad Jun 2016 #9
I see you've been busy. LWolf Jun 2016 #10
well, for one thing, that wasn't my OP, but thanks for playing. niyad Jun 2016 #11
No, your OP was a dupe of that one. nt LWolf Jun 2016 #24
Wrong group. Bye bye Autumn Jun 2016 #15
" it’s extremely important that you remember precisely who pays the FBI’s bills" Fumesucker Jun 2016 #12
In the future make sure you post this in your OPs Autumn Jun 2016 #21
I'll be sure to do so. LWolf Jun 2016 #22
No one can't be too careful here. Autumn Jun 2016 #23
Good advice on OP's RobertEarl Jun 2016 #25
In the future I recommend that progressive trash GD and stick to the BS Group rhett o rick Jun 2016 #47
Have you seen all the jury hides on posts and OPs in our group? Autumn Jun 2016 #48
Yeah I hear you. What do you suggest? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #50
I wish I could talk to you all privately...........I dunno why bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #26
Talking about her policy will = an attack here. Nothing but boot licking will survive. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #27
Any criticism of Hillary by males is viewed by some as sexist. "You wouldn't criticize a man for rhett o rick Jun 2016 #31
I damn SURE would criticize a man for having the same policy. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #35
Exactly. But when we tried to be critical, we were met with accusations of being racists. It's a rhett o rick Jun 2016 #37
If she wants to play with big boys she's going to get her hands dirty. Acting like she's onecaliberal Jun 2016 #41
Criticism of Hillary by females is also viewed as sexist. senz Jun 2016 #42
About my thread jillan Jun 2016 #28
Thanks for explaining. LWolf Jun 2016 #29
It's so ironic because that is what my thread was about. People either get it or they don't. jillan Jun 2016 #40
We just have to deal with the fact that Progressives are not welcome here, we rhett o rick Jun 2016 #30
A few questions come to mind. One, will Obama pardon Clinton for all possible crimes rhett o rick Jun 2016 #33
Those are good questions LWolf Jun 2016 #34
And are they investigating the Clinton Foundation? senz Jun 2016 #43
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #46
lol LWolf Jun 2016 #49
This article should be required reading The Blue Flower Jun 2016 #52
And you, as well. nt LWolf Jun 2016 #53

snot

(10,481 posts)
1. Excellent analysis; K&R'd & bookmarked.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jun 2016

In broad brush, it matches my own thinking, but spells it out well and adds a lot of interesting detail.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
3. thank you, very interesting
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jun 2016

If it is true she never activated her secure DC e-mail account, it shows intent to remain secretive, which is her obsession, and clearly any classified e-mail would automatically have been sent to her personal server.

If.........


This is not an impossibility and Obama risks his legacy via a cover-up larger than missing tapes. I do not see Obama being loyal to a woman who delighted in undercutting him deliberately since 2007. I think it more likely as things leak, he will sit back and enjoy justice.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
18. I believe it shows how things will go. Juries will hide anything like that imo
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jun 2016

And since the vast majority of participants left here will be Hillary supporters, the handwriting is on the wall

Contrary1

(12,629 posts)
20. I also think that part of the plan is to give Bernie supporters
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jun 2016

multiple hides so that they won't be able to participate in future juries.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
32. Although I have multiple hides now, I was removed from jury duty before I got the
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jun 2016

hides. The non-progressive minority here controls MIRT and the Host Forum. If you get one hide you are out of the Host Forum as I well know, my first hide was very suspicious being 7 to 0 over a very minor post with zero comments by the jurors. It was clear while I was a host that, even though the non-progressives were a clear minority they wielded a lot of power. MIRT members are chosen by the Admins. Outspoken progressives aren't allowed back. It's clear we aren't wanted here.

Response to Autumn (Reply #8)

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
14. I can't believe it, either.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 02:39 PM
Jun 2016

If anything demonstrates darkness of soul, it is the hide of that totally positive, innocuous OP.

If anyone ever wondered what's wrong, that should be a big ol' cluestick.

Thanks for this thread, LWolf.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
36. There are a few posters on DU that are not here seeking honest discussions or even
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jun 2016

pushing a particular agenda, but here to side with the power and self-righteously bully others. It's a power thing.

Response to rhett o rick (Reply #36)

snot

(10,481 posts)
6. Just saw this; would love to see the author's response:
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jun 2016
http://sourceplanet.net/politics/loretta-lynch-attorney-general-says-hillary-will-not-be-indicted/ :

"In a recent Facebook post by Loretta Lynch. QUOTE:

HILLARY WILL NOT BE INDICTED OR PROSECUTED.
Your Attorney General and your president had a closed meeting today. You can be sure Hillary’s run for president will not be marred by any indictment or prosecution."

This is what I've been afraid of. (Much more at the link, including an excellent interview w/ Assange, who has interesting things to say about Brexit as well as other issues.)
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
16. That's a hoax. Lynch said no such thing.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jun 2016

My first reaction to the quotation was that it was inconceivable to me that Lynch would actually say that. If you go to Facebook, it's obvious that some right-winger simply opened an account as "Loretta Lynch, Attorney General". The posts by that account rely on such sources as The Weekly Standard and Breitbart.

As you'd expect, major obsessions are transphobia and Islamophobia. As an example of the former, on May 11 there was a post linking to an article on "redflagnews.com" about the North Carolina bathroom fracas, in response to which this supposed "Loretta Lynch" posted:

Loretta Lynch and the entire Democrat Party make progress towards ending the quaint, antiquated and artificial nonsense of separate bathrooms for men and women.


Come on, "Democrat Party"? and the old anti-ERA standby of unisex bathrooms? They're not even being very creative.

Incidentally, I'd never before heard of redflagnews.com, but feel free to go there if you want to read how "Obama Imports 1 Million Muslims During Presidency" and "FBI Says No One Killed at Sandy Hook". I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the real Loretta Lynch doesn't rely on or even read this site.

The particular post supposedly assuring all that Clinton won't be indicted links to this article in The Weekly Standard, but even that right-wing rag says no such thing. It merely notes an upcoming meeting between the President and the Attorney General (imagine that), and says, "The topic of Obama's closed door meeting with Lynch has not been made public." In fact, the article reports the administration's position as being pretty much the opposite of what this post claims:

White House press secretary Josh Earnest insisted that President Obama's endorsement of Hillary Clinton will not "sway" the ongoing FBI investigation into Clinton.


I'm not familiar with Sourceplanet but they got played big-time.

NJCher

(35,434 posts)
17. re the Loretta Lynch Facebook post
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 04:06 PM
Jun 2016

That is very fishy. I went to Facebook and looked for Loretta Lynch's original post, and I can't find it. Here's what you get when you put in "Loretta Lynch:"

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=loretta%20lynch%20attorney%20general

I don't think Loretta Lynch has a Facebook page, and furthermore, I think it would be considered highly unprofessional for her to say any such thing on a Facebook page. So I think this is bogus.

I will be the first to admit I know nothing about Facebook or how to research it, though, so any of you Facebook-savvy people, please feel free to check this out.

All you get is sourceplanet's post about this, which is seen above.


Cher

niyad

(112,435 posts)
11. well, for one thing, that wasn't my OP, but thanks for playing.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jun 2016

I am glad to see that others also saw that article, and thought it worthy of posting.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
12. " it’s extremely important that you remember precisely who pays the FBI’s bills"
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016

Yes, yes it is...

And who is it that pays the bills of the FBI, you might ask...

a raving pack of incompetent, bigoted fundamentalist pricks who wouldn’t blink a fucking eyelash at framing Clinton for murder to win this election, the Republican Party.

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
21. In the future make sure you post this in your OPs
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 07:01 PM
Jun 2016
Note to Jury: This is a verbatim copy of the title and an excerpt of a source we use all the time at DU. This is not the opinion of the op.


After all it works well for special people.
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
25. Good advice on OP's
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:04 PM
Jun 2016

Thanks Autumn, to repeat:

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Note to Jury: This is a verbatim copy of the title and an excerpt of a source we use all the time at DU. This is not the opinion of the op.
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Tagged in my Journal so I can remember this!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
47. In the future I recommend that progressive trash GD and stick to the BS Group
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:39 AM
Jun 2016

and the Progressive Group (Populist Reform). The only reason to post in GD is to fight with those that have the advantage of having the Admns and the system on their side. They alert, lock, hide and gang up on anyone that doesn't show the proper level of fealty to their exalted leader. We are fooling ourselves if we think we can convince them of anything. They are not interested in fair and honest discussions. Those that wish to discuss what is happening in politics need to stay away from GD. This lecture is aimed at myself more than anyone else.

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
48. Have you seen all the jury hides on posts and OPs in our group?
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:10 AM
Jun 2016

Ops and posts are hidden in here for factual and unfavorable discussion of what is happening in politics. Just posting in protected groups is no protection at all.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
31. Any criticism of Hillary by males is viewed by some as sexist. "You wouldn't criticize a man for
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jun 2016

that." I've already seen it. This is supposedly a "politically liberal" message board but doesn't come close to meeting the definition of liberal.

Liberal: "Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded."

It's not liberal to alert stalk, lock, hide and ban those one doesn't agree with. Also liberals don't use CT as a tool to shut down discussion.

onecaliberal

(32,489 posts)
35. I damn SURE would criticize a man for having the same policy.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016

And in fact I have, as with president Obama.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
37. Exactly. But when we tried to be critical, we were met with accusations of being racists. It's a
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jun 2016

tactic to shut down conversations one does like in lieu of trying to refute.

Those that use sexism to bash others are most likely not honest people fighting for women's rights but just people looking to self-righteously bully others. Honest people fighting for women's rights would recognize the irony of those trying to use sexism to fight sexism. It is ironic when people say that Clinton is tough then turn around and whine at the least criticism using sexism to shut down the criticism. I am not a Clinton fan, but I agree she is tough and don't think she needs people defending her with sexist arguments.

onecaliberal

(32,489 posts)
41. If she wants to play with big boys she's going to get her hands dirty. Acting like she's
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 03:34 PM
Jun 2016

A delicate flower to deflect from her horrendous record is not going to cut it. This site will go down like the titanic if zero policy discussions arent going to be allowed.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
42. Criticism of Hillary by females is also viewed as sexist.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jun 2016

It's too bad her supporters cannot comprehend how profoundly they insult their candidate by confining her national and global significance into a single tiny airless box labeled "gender."

I partially analyzed it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=366513

If the atmosphere were more open and inquisitive, I'd rewrite and expand on it. And yes your views on authoritarianism should be more strongly figured in.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
28. About my thread
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 02:35 AM
Jun 2016

A few people asked why it was hidden.

They just didn't get it! Because telling people to vote & stay involved is soooooo divisive
As for that one graphic, well, we did pay for our candidate with pleasure!

I think Juror #3 says it all.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The second graphic from the bottom asks "Who are the real FREELOADERS? We Berniecrats paid for our candidate. Who paid for yours?" Never mind that all six are all divisive but calling Democrats planning to participate in the November election "freeloaders" is insulting and inappropriate.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:42 AM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Berners/losers say all kinds of junk, but there is no reason to Alert on this post.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The primary is over, Sanders lost very substantially. Deal with it or leave!
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree with the alerter. This is divisive.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
29. Thanks for explaining.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 09:12 AM
Jun 2016

I still don't agree with that one, but okay. The comments from the jury are instructive. There seems to be a real disconnect about what is "divisive."

jillan

(39,451 posts)
40. It's so ironic because that is what my thread was about. People either get it or they don't.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jun 2016

Obviously those that voted to hide it don't understand what Bernie supporters are fighting for.

They think it's all about her, when she is just a bump in the road.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
30. We just have to deal with the fact that Progressives are not welcome here, we
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jun 2016

don't show the level of fealty that's expected and we ask too many pointed questions like, "Do you support fracking." It's easier to just run us off.
Those that stay will have to hide in the Sanders Group or the Populist Reform Group although even those groups aren't safe from alert stalking.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
33. A few questions come to mind. One, will Obama pardon Clinton for all possible crimes
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jun 2016

associated with her email fiasco? Will the FBI and Obama hold off on actions until after the election. Maybe we need to worry about who Clinton chooses as her vice president.

Also, who are the fighting factions? Democrats vs. Republicons is too loose a breakdown. Who is in Obama's corner? Who is in Clintons corner? Who is in the FBI's corner? etc.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
34. Those are good questions
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jun 2016

I have no answer for. I guess, at this point, I could predict that there will be no indictment to disturb the coronation, so the VP pick might be more important than I thought.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
43. And are they investigating the Clinton Foundation?
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jun 2016

The email server problems are serious, but the CF, imo, dwarfs them. Massive corruption on a global scale.

I too would love to know the inner workings of the Washington Democratic elite as they grapple with the mess created by their candidate. I hope some enterprising would-be journalist is taking notes so we can learn about it someday if said journalist has the courage.

Response to LWolf (Original post)

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
49. lol
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jun 2016

I'm a Democrat, and based on your particular writing style, I've probably been a Democrat since before you were born.

This whole group has been dedicated to getting out the vote for Sanders; we voted for him ourselves, which means that, in most cases, we HAD to be Democrats to do so.

But thanks for making your 14th post at DU be about what belongs on DU or not.

The Blue Flower

(5,420 posts)
52. This article should be required reading
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jun 2016

When the powers that be feel the need to suppress information and silence dissension, the one and only reason is they're afraid. Historically, the more they act on their fears, the faster things slide downhill. Because fear never wins. Because the truth will out. Because in truth is power. I wish you all a very thoughtful June 20.

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